I have attached data that shows all 2020 deaths compared to previous years. My point isn't anything to do with the Flu, it that 2020 has much more deaths than previous years.
Yeah but we are implementing mitigating factors so the logical conclusion would be were the circumstances the same, chances are excess deaths would be edging higher with this coronavirus in circulation.
I will confirm this through personal experience and close proximity relation: I work on large job sites in la county. Many people have tested positive all working with me or around me using the same tools and material. The "infected" leave and I would be tested over the course of several days upwards to 3 tests within 8 days. I have never been positive or sick. I object to wearing a mask. I have been threatened with my job. I have been cussed out.
It's been almost a year in the thick of it. I haven't missed a day of work. Stop being sheep and fucking live your normal life.
Because the population has a better general immunity to variants of the flu due to years gone by where we have either caught and recovered from it or elderly reviewed vaccines over years for it.
You cannot bare faced say 100k dying of the flu a year is normal. Assuming your assertion about it being the same as the flu is correct.
Lmfao do you had to go back 19 years to find a year with as many deaths as 2020. And you think this supports your argument or that it contradicts mine? You literally supported my statement that the average deaths of 2020 are much higher than other years.
Oh that's pretty good. The death rate has gradually been increasing over the last few years it seems. Almost like maybe we have an aging population or something?!
Almost...and almost like that required them to be, on par, healthier than the earlier groups of the same age, but, almost also like that has a limit as the curve slowly expanded higher with average life expectancies, but, hey, science that doesn't correlate with the hysterical "follow the science" unscientific actions driven by politics isn't science according to those who wouldn't know 32.2 ft/s^2 if they fell off of a cliff and validated it empirically with their accelerating body.
I think it was obvious I was talking in regards to the UK, but I have added an edit. I will do more research on the US as it is interesting if there hasn't been the same trend there.
Understood. I simply threw that out there as evidence against all of it, as the UK, like many other countries, has been much more draconian than the US, and the US has no statistically significant impact due to its lenient, balkanized approaches to lockdown. (Lockdown, a term previously reserved only for use to manage a prison population. Yet, I suppose it still is used just for that, given some thought.)
All of the data and studies are out there to show this being true all over the globe, but they make it very difficult to find. I wonder why "they" would bury data when they sing "follow the science!' as their favorite hymn in front of the alter of Political Motivation.
We have never been a less scientifically-oriented society since we organized as a discernable society. I can forgive the people of the Middle Ages for their silly talismans and submission to the "witch doctor" advice they followed during times of panic. I will not give any such leniency of judgement to modern humans.
My point was just to refuke the original person's point that the UK has suffered from Covid this year, and deaths in 2020 were about 85,000 more than the 5 year rolling average.
That being said, I agree with you that lockdowns shouldn't have been implemented. If the UK and other countries just done more to protect high risk groups such as the eldery, it would have been better and the economy would have been in a much better state. Liberal's have minimal critical thinking skills.
If you look at average deaths for 2020 compared to other years, you will find that it is much higher though.
Edit: I was talking in the context of the UK, I have not checked statistics for the USA. The comment I replied to was also in context of the UK.
Wrong. Deaths arent higher than a bad flu year and we never wore masks or quarantined for that.
Thanks for dispelling that very wrong statement. Death rates overall have been consistent from 2018-2020. Covid had no statistical impact.
I can't even find numbers from 2018-2020. Have they not been released yet?
Yes, I've seen them a couple of different places.
Sorry, I don't have a link.
In the UK there has definitely been an increase in 2020.
For the UK it is.
Who told you that, the BBC?
Show me UK Covid 19 deaths compared to flu deaths for 2020, then lets look at past numbers from a bad flu year in your country.
I have attached data that shows all 2020 deaths compared to previous years. My point isn't anything to do with the Flu, it that 2020 has much more deaths than previous years.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/january2021
Yeah but we are implementing mitigating factors so the logical conclusion would be were the circumstances the same, chances are excess deaths would be edging higher with this coronavirus in circulation.
Wrong. Covid 19 is no more contagious than the flu. How is the flu nonexistent but covid 19 is raging, even with mitigating factors. Doesn't add up.
I will confirm this through personal experience and close proximity relation: I work on large job sites in la county. Many people have tested positive all working with me or around me using the same tools and material. The "infected" leave and I would be tested over the course of several days upwards to 3 tests within 8 days. I have never been positive or sick. I object to wearing a mask. I have been threatened with my job. I have been cussed out.
It's been almost a year in the thick of it. I haven't missed a day of work. Stop being sheep and fucking live your normal life.
Because the population has a better general immunity to variants of the flu due to years gone by where we have either caught and recovered from it or elderly reviewed vaccines over years for it.
You cannot bare faced say 100k dying of the flu a year is normal. Assuming your assertion about it being the same as the flu is correct.
These "mitigating" factors are also leading to an increase in suicides and drug and alcohol over doses that normally also would not have occurred.
Murders are skyrocketing too.
Yeah don't have to remind me I think it's criminal what they're enforcing in the name of protecting pensioners and those with comorbidities.
Death rates have gone up to less than the level of 2001, when there was the extreme pandemic of NOTHING AT ALL
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/january2021
What are you on? Your source shows that deaths are much higher in the UK rn than previous years.
That is a government source The Office of National Statistics
The deaths of 2001 show as higher than 2020
:)
Lmfao do you had to go back 19 years to find a year with as many deaths as 2020. And you think this supports your argument or that it contradicts mine? You literally supported my statement that the average deaths of 2020 are much higher than other years.
Death rates per 100,000 were higher in 2020 than in 2016-2019, but 2020 death rates were lower than the years 2011-2015.
Don't remember shutting the world down those years, do you?
I am sure for the UK the death rate is the highest since the early 2000s. Not saying I agree with lockdowns, I don't.
False.
https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/Death-rate
Oh that's pretty good. The death rate has gradually been increasing over the last few years it seems. Almost like maybe we have an aging population or something?!
Almost...and almost like that required them to be, on par, healthier than the earlier groups of the same age, but, almost also like that has a limit as the curve slowly expanded higher with average life expectancies, but, hey, science that doesn't correlate with the hysterical "follow the science" unscientific actions driven by politics isn't science according to those who wouldn't know 32.2 ft/s^2 if they fell off of a cliff and validated it empirically with their accelerating body.
I think it was obvious I was talking in regards to the UK, but I have added an edit. I will do more research on the US as it is interesting if there hasn't been the same trend there.
Understood. I simply threw that out there as evidence against all of it, as the UK, like many other countries, has been much more draconian than the US, and the US has no statistically significant impact due to its lenient, balkanized approaches to lockdown. (Lockdown, a term previously reserved only for use to manage a prison population. Yet, I suppose it still is used just for that, given some thought.)
All of the data and studies are out there to show this being true all over the globe, but they make it very difficult to find. I wonder why "they" would bury data when they sing "follow the science!' as their favorite hymn in front of the alter of Political Motivation.
We have never been a less scientifically-oriented society since we organized as a discernable society. I can forgive the people of the Middle Ages for their silly talismans and submission to the "witch doctor" advice they followed during times of panic. I will not give any such leniency of judgement to modern humans.
My point was just to refuke the original person's point that the UK has suffered from Covid this year, and deaths in 2020 were about 85,000 more than the 5 year rolling average.
That being said, I agree with you that lockdowns shouldn't have been implemented. If the UK and other countries just done more to protect high risk groups such as the eldery, it would have been better and the economy would have been in a much better state. Liberal's have minimal critical thinking skills.
And:
https://fee.org/articles/lockdowns-not-linked-with-lower-covid-death-rates-new-study-finds/
Never said I agree with lockdowns - I don't.