This is an interesting argument. I think you're close on a few issues here, but are simplifying things just a bit.
Grouping all Whites and all Blacks as a group is a mistake, I think. The Establishment has convinced what I'll call the BLM faction of Blacks to think they are being persecuted by Whites instead of being persecuted by the Aristocracy. They gave them Marxist tools, and the lack of morality that goes with it.
But there is also a huge faction of Blacks in America who are totally based and just as Patriotic as anyone else. If you talk to them about this stuff, they know about how the system is corrupt. They know it better than most Whites that I know. These are our natural allies and the Establishment will do anything to keep us apart.
Life is a lot more complex than the binary left/right mindset our political discourse normally takes, and they also do that on purpose so we can't have reasonable conversation. This whole thing is classic Bolshevik Revolution stuff. Every bit of it.
So yes, it can be both, but not for the specific reasons you gave. The race war part is manufactured.
Thank God there is a real Patriot here that is able to look past the stupid bullshit white vs black shit...the shit is rolling down hill on all of us. But most of these narrow mind maybe even borderline hardcore racist acting just as bad as the left. For real, we are all in the fight of our lives for our Great America and these jackasses wanted to play into the hands of the left and make it about race. I could scream...but as I was going through given them all hell...I ran across the War_Hamster's post and I was like. YEAH! this person is a Patriot and most likey a Veteran or just a real American. The fight is not with each other; if we follow the money we will find the fight is with cabal bankers, federal reserve and IMF. If we stick together as a country and stick to U S Constitution and Constitutional money Americans will all see the prosperity & freedom fought for by our Founding Fathers
This reminds me of when Malcolm X (black nationalist and supremacist in some cases) and George Lincoln Rockwell or GLR (white nationalist and supremacist in some cases also) actually got together and realized they agreed on nearly the same issues and their goals were fairly aligned, then they were both assassinated, coincidentally.
You don't know, what you don't know. According to your warp statement you know nothing about Malcolm X, which is laughable since there are plenty of movies, books, documentaries and a 1 minute internet search will suggest you are totally clueless.
“Grouping all Whites and all Blacks as a group is a mistake,“
I agree, but not acknowledging, and ignoring reality is downright suicidal, and I see way more people doing that than the grouping you describe. In fact, I see people doing the complete opposite in order to avoid being labeled a “racist” at all costs including but not limited to putting themselves, and families in danger while also being complicit in the destruction of western civilization.
“But there is also a huge faction of Blacks in America who are totally based and just as Patriotic as anyone else.”
🤣 Is that a joke? You’re being way to generous fren. It’s 2, maybe 3% tops if I’m being generous. I’ve lived, and worked in a major chocolate city commie shithole all my life, and you couldn’t be more wrong. They are overwhelmingly, disproportionately, and openly socialists at best, and communists at worst. I’m talking about people on the lower end of the “education” spectrum not even having a GED, to the Ivy League educated. I’ve seen, and been around them all.
2 or 3% is definitely lowballing how many based black people there are, but the number is still not very high, probably more like low teens. The vast majority of black people, despite being mostly good people as individuals, are indeed essentially socialists who think the government is the answer to everything and that any reduction in its power will just lead to them being bowled over by white people.
It is just as easy for Blacks to sit back and throw racist insults at Whites as is for Whites to set back and throw racist insults at Blacks. To prove my point i been just as racist with stereo types, predjuice, racist comments about White people, in response to racist, predjuice, stereotypes pertaining to Blacks citizens.
Now you want to know what White PRIVILEGE is?
Will all the predjuice, racist stereotypes comments pertaining to Black citizens still remain on this feed. White people like ya can't handle the same rhetoric you throw at others. As a Black man my skin is thick. I don't run cry looking for help after I speak my mind. All the racist, stereotype, predjuice comments pertaining to White people are now removed. That's what I call White Privilege.
Point made! Don't act as if Blacks are denied full rights and privileges of American citizens. Decades education in state schools was denied, Black citizens are still murder lynched for sport...and as our Great President Trump show the world our Justice system is unfair.
So we all live with issues in the Greatest Country in the world. BFD that's just part of life.
But the People; American citizens must not fall for the lefts attempt to pit Citizens against each other.
THE PEOPLES FIGHT IS WITH, FEDERAL RESERVE, BIG BANKS AND IMF. Not your fellow citizens.
Something similar can be said about "Right v Left" ... using the press definitions for right and left.
It's entirely an argument about how often the totalitarian government uses tongs to control the populace, as opposed to exerting their force directly.
Trump is off this standard political axis a very long way. The differences are highlighted by the press as being "Far Right" ... but he's a long way away in another direction entirely. The Jacksonian/Freedom direction (as opposed to the Team Karen direction), if one needs a map.
I've been preaching this far and wide. The political axis has always been focused (by them) to highlight the marginal differences, while the real question has always been about Statism vs Freedom (that's vertical).
Does that makes sense? Because I very much think you've found the same truths I have and I'm trying to make an argument that I haven't figured out how to articulate well yet.
its not just that they use EVERYTHING to divide people white black Hispanic native american like me (50% fuck you warren) gay or what ever the fuck as-long as no kids and no animals its truly evil. these people hate us because they want to control us
Source: I'm a Medical Examiner. Ask me how many black on white murders I see in a week.
This is definitely race warfare but it's easy to stir up low IQ morons with no impulse control and perpetual victimhood so I get what you're saying. Realistically, the elite are using blacks as a weapon against us pesky white people.
I've been preaching that there is a faction of the Black community that has been programmed with the Marxist anti-White BS, but a good percentage of Blacks recognize that the problem is, and always has been, the establishment (Elites).
It's interesting that you made it through the education system as far as you did and came out without being brainwashed. Congrats. Care to share your secret?
Ya'll talking about all the bs about Black community with Marxist anti-White crap. I agree it is crap. I ask, where is all the talk about antifa, George Soros and the like programming White, Black, Brown, Yellow, Tan, Olive everybody. All you people want to do is blame Black people. Crazy. Politicians in power pushing socialism are not Black. Last check, Bernie Sanders, Crazy Nancy, Chuck Schumer, Bitch Mitch, Mitt, Clinton, corrupt judges etc all good White people fucking the country up.
I always tell Black people talking like you all talk, "you sure give the White man a lot of power of your life".
So I will ask all you good White folk the same, "why do you give the Black man so much power over your life?".
Why do you want to pick your fight with Black citizens? Ain't gonna change your misery.
I think you misinterpret me. I'm not looking to pick a fight with non-communist Black people, I'm looking to get them to join with me to fight against our common enemy.
And I'm always calling out Antifa, Soros, the ruling class (our common enemy). Go look at my post history.
Tom Macdonald says it better than I ever could:
"I think Black Lives Matter was the stupidest name
When the system's screwing everyone exactly the same"
Then why are these people absolutely hell bent on destroying any semblence of white identity? If it was class warfare, you'd think they would be dividing along class lines, but they're not. It's entirely racial, and it's nothing but non stop dehumanization of whites and white culture.
Given what some corporate literature is now defining as white identity and how to be less white, the elites want to erase characteristics that make a person economically independent and with agency in society.
You are correct, but I'm using a slightly different version of "tribalism".
Maybe there's a better term for it, but what I'm suggesting is that throughout Africa's history, the culture hasn't grown past the point of killing your rival tribes and carrying on generational blood feuds.
Those f*ckers sold their own people into slavery because of that.
Very true. The divisive identity politics narrative wasn't thought up by the Black community, but rather by academic and political elites intent on tearing down Western Civilization. Because they have the megaphone of MSM, academia, and Hollywood, they are able to sway all but the most informed among us.
Sometimes when I think about how wealthy and powerful our true enemies are, I get a little unnerved. I try to remember that the truth is so very powerful, and once someone has seen it, they can't unsee it and it is innoculation against an infinite amount of propaganda.
I mean, they might dilute into a dilapidated husk of what they were, overrun by unskilled migrants and Marxist bullcrap policies, overseen by an unqualified elite corrupted by kickbacks of debt-based toilet paper, but they're still countries technically.
It really is pretty sad. America's conservatives are literally the only coherent pushback there.
American conservatives except for Nick Fuentes and his team are clueless on what needs to be done. They still preach civic nationalism when everyone knows that civic nationalism doesn't work.
You people are some of the most narrow minded simpletons in America. You are on point; your issues are with the global cabal bankers. Yet you still want to insult Black citizens because you really harbor distain and hate for what you see when you look in the mirror. You are not fit to match wits with the most under privilege dim witted Black citizen. Bet ten to one you were hatched in chicken shit.
It’s both the Bolsheviks, and their more than willing, and complicit pets. The difference is that their often low IQ pets are the foot soldiers who you are forced to live, and associate with on a daily basis. They are the ones directly causing violence, and destruction, to mostly each other, on an hourly basis all around the country. You have no choice, but to acknowledge, recognize, and deal with it eventually, not out of any type of hate for something a silly as looks, and/or skin color, but out of pure sanity, and survival.
To ignore the 11/77 crews contributions over the last few decades is not only silly, but it’s extremely stupid, irresponsible, and deadly.
Except the ✊🏿💊, and move on. There is no denying it any longer.
Comedian Carlos Mencia used to joke that every period in American history has groups in it treated like shit, not just descendants from Africa, but the Irish, Jews, Italians, Chinese, Hispanics, Arabs, etc. This is true, even if it is not true for every group. The reason why THIS country is soooo focused on black-white relations is because the Left refuses to teach the truth about slavery, which enflames both sides, creating the friction and animosity which it requires to divide and conquer, in order to destroy the West and usher in Communism.
When the U.S. Civil War broke out (1861-1865), per the U.S. Census of 1860, only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves, and none owned them in the states where slavery was allowed. You read correctly. Only 1.4%, and not all of that tiny percentage were white; in fact, black people owned slaves at a rate of ten times per white person, even if white people owned more slaves. This is why any talk of reparations is nonsense; you don't punish all citizens by giving funds to black people of African descent, as the overwhelming majority of people in this country were not slave owners, and African descendants enslaved white people, Native Americans, and fellow African descendants. And both Arabs and black Africans largely were responsible for the slave trade of Africa. Poet Laureate of Nigeria Woye Solinka famously criticized black people for refusing to acknowledge African complicity, since African chieftains captured enemy tribes and sold it bartered the unfortunate souls for European goods or monies, and we're even quite upset when white people stopped purchasing slaves.
And, of course, there are many newer studies and books into the phenomenon of Africans kidnapping and selling white Europeans as slaves, roughly 1.2 million of them. (Transatlantic slave trade estimate is roughly 12.5 million souls.)
And then there is the phenomenon of the Brits kidnapping Irish children and impoverished English children for slave labor on tobacco plantations in Barbados, and raiding brothels to kidnap women to be enslaved as breeders in their colony of Virginia. (The term "kidnapping" derives from the Brits nabbing Irish kids.)
So when you don't teach people the whole truth, and you foster entitlement mentality in black communities, you end up with racial strife....the goal of the Left all along.
"In 1807 Britain outlawed slavery. In 1820 the king of the African kingdom of Ashanti inquired why the Christians did not want to trade slaves with him anymore, since they worshipped the same god as the Muslims and the Muslims were continuing the trade like before. The civil rights movement of the 1960's have left many people with the belief that the slave trade was exclusively a European/US phenomenon and that only evil white people were to blame for it. This is a simplistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts.
Thousands of records of transactions are available on a CDROM prepared by Harvard University and several comprehensive books have been published recently on the origins of modern slavery that shed new light on centuries of slave trading.
What these records show is that the African slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. In most instances, no violence was necessary to obtain those slaves. Contrary to legends and novels and Hollywood movies, the white traders did not need to savagely kill entire tribes in order to exact their tribute in slaves. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The kings would gladly sell their own subjects. (Of course, this neither condones the white traders who bought the slaves nor deny that many white traders did commit atrocities to maximize their business).
This explains why slavery became "black". Ancient slavery, e.g. under the Roman empire, would not discriminate: slaves were both white and black (so were emperors and popes). During the middle ages, all European countries outlawed slavery (of course, hypocritical Christian nations retained countless "civilized" ways to enslave their citizens, but that's another story), whereas the African kingdoms continued in their trade. Therefore, at some point only colored people could be slaves, and that is how the stereotype for African-American slavery was born. It was not based on an ancestral hatred of blacks by whites, but simply on the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves, and they were selling people of their own race. (To be precise, Christians were also selling Muslim slaves captured in war, and Muslims were selling Christian slaves captured in war, but neither the Christians of Europe nor the Muslims of Africa and the Middle East were selling their own people).
Then the Muslim trade of African slaves declined rapidly when Arab domination was reduced by the emerging European powers. (Note: Arabs continued to capture and sell slaves, but mostly in the Mediterranean. In fact, Robert Davis estimates that 1.25 million European Christians were enslaved by the "barbary states" of northern Africa. As late as 1801 the USA bombed Morocco, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli precisely to stop that Arab slave trade of Christians. The rate of mortality of those Christian slaves in the Islamic world was roughly the same as the mortality rate in the Atlantic slave trade of the same period).
Christians took over in black Africa, though. The first ones were the Portuguese, who, applying an idea that was originally developed in Italian seatrading cities, and often using Italian venture capital, started exploiting sub-Saharan slaves in the 1440s to support the economy of the sugar plantations (mainly for their own African colonies of Sao Tome and Madeira).
The Dutch were the first, apparently, to import black slaves into North America, but black slaves had already been employed all over the world, including South and Central America. We tend to focus on what happened in North America because the USA would eventually fight a war over slavery (and it's in the USA that large sectors of the population would start condemning slavery, contrary to the indifference that Muslims and most Europeans kept showing towards it).
Even after Europeans began transporting black slaves to America, most trade was just that: "trade". In many instances, the Europeans did not need to use any force to get those slaves. The slaves were "sold" more or less legally by their (black) owners. Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans (most of them before 1776, when the USA wasn't yet born) and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs. The legends of European mercenaries capturing free people in the jungle are mostly just that: legends. A few white mercenaries certainly stormed peaceful tribes and committed terrible crimes, but that was not the norm. There was no need to risk their lives, so most of them didn't: they simply purchased (black) people from (black) traders.
As an African-American scholar (Nathan Huggins) has written, the "identity" of black Africans is largely a white invention: sub-Saharan Africans never felt like they were one people, they felt (and still feel) that they belonged to different tribes. The distinctions of tribe were far stronger than the distinctions of race.
Everything else is true: millions of slaves died on ships and of diseases, millions of blacks worked for free to allow the Western economies to prosper, and the economic interests in slavery became so strong that the southern states of the United States opposed repealing it. But those millions of slaves were just one of the many instances of mass exploitation: the industrial revolution was exported to the USA by enterpreuners exploiting millions of poor immigrants from Europe. The fate of those immigrants was not much better than the fate of the slaves in the Southern plantations. For example, it is debatable who had access to better health care: the poor European immigrants in the industrial north, or the black slaves in the agricultural south? As a matter of fact, many slaves enjoyed better living conditions in the southern plantations than European immigrants in the industrial cities (which were sometimes comparable to concentration camps). It is not a coincidence that slavery was abolished at a time when millions of European and Chinese immigrants provided the same kind of cheap labor that slaves could provide: why go all the way to Africa to purchase a slave when cheap Europeans and Chinese are available by the millions? The Chinese who were shipped from China to work on the transcontinental railroad were not treated much better than the plantation slaves.
It is also fair to say that, while everybody tolerated it, very few whites practiced slavery: in 1860 there were 385,000 USA citizens who owned slaves, or about 1.4% of the white population (there were 27 million whites in the USA). That percentage was zero in the states that did not allow slavery (only 8 million of the 27 million whites lived in states that allowed slavery). Incidentally, in 1830 about 25% of South Carolina's free negro slave masters (blacks who had been freed and owned black slaves) owned 10 or more slaves: that is a much higher percentage (ten times more) than the percentage of white slave owners. Thus slave owners were a tiny minority (1.4%) and it was not only whites: it was just about anybody who could, including blacks themselves.
It is likely that there were more black slave traders (in Africa) than white slave traders (in America or Europe).
Moral opposition to slavery became widespread even before Lincoln, and throughout Europe. On the other hand, opposition to slavery was never particularly strong in Africa itself, where slavery is slowly being eradicated only in our times. One can suspect that slavery would have remained common in most African kingdoms until this day: what crushed slavery in Africa was that all those African kingdoms became colonies of western European countries that (for one reason or another) eventually decided to outlaw slavery."
"This is the forgotten story of the million white Europeans, snatched from their homes and taken in chains to the great slave markets of North Africa to be sold to the highest bidder. Ignored by their own governments, and forced to endure the harshest of conditions, very few lived to tell the tale."
"While many influential thinkers and leaders are calling for the two leaders to be held accountable, Soyinka, in typical style, pushed the contemporary discussion to its historical limits, linking modern dictators from Uganda's late Idi Amin to Mugabe to their opportunistic predecessors who drove the African slave trade. It is a painful linkage, he said, that blacks in the diaspora, especially African Americans, still struggle to reconcile. "If African Americans confront that history," he told me, "they will discover that [today's war criminal regimes] are the same people, they're descendants of their mental kin, and they are treating their own people in exactly the same way" as Africans treated other Africans whom they captured and enslaved, then sold to Europeans or North Africans to be shipped to the New World, Europe or the Middle East. I know well of the raw nerves exposed when it comes to tracing black Africans to the source of the slave trade."
P.S. For the record, I am a Christian, so I do not think any race is superior to any other, only cultures are, based on their fruits. God created mankind, all races, and declared all that He had made to be very good (Genesis 2). If He didn't love POCs, then he would not have made so many of them! Variety is the spice of life, yes?
They leave the blank empty so that they can add something later. If they don't tell us what they think is oppressive then they will never know if we agree.
Example:
I disliked police brutality as much as the next guy and was totally willing to put my support behind more police training to recognize when your partner might be using excessive force and intervene. Or allowing nearby police precincts to review eachother police reports to prevent precincts covering for out of line cops and to double up on finding errors that prevent convictions when you get a good lawyer.
But then BLM came allow, destroyed their own cities, annoyed the shit out of everyone, were super cringe, and demanded defunding of the police which led into higher crime and higher costs of living for those living in the area. They also racialized a bipartisan problem and promoted racial conscientiousness and Marxism.
Ultimately the result was BLM ran off with the money, hurt a lot of people's lives, got absolutely nothing fixed, scared the hell out of everyone, and, honestly, became a massive liability for the democratic party.
You don't see how you benefit when someone of a different race with lower test scores and general achievement gets into the school you didn't because of their race?
The only way for the Bolsheviks, and their brain melting, and civilization destroying ideas to flourish is to leave them open ended. Everything with the left is subjective instead of objective. That’s why I laugh when they try to say they’re the party of science.
Since the system we have here is so bad I say we should offer a 100k reparations plan that included permanent repatriation back to Africa with them and thier progeny never allowed to return (to protect them from evil whitey).
I was stuck on an airplane recently and was watching "The First 48" of whatever it's called where they follow police detectives for the first 48 hours of a case. Two major impressions:
James Duane is so totally right. Don't talk to the police.
We waste so much time, money, and effort on black crime in America. What a drain on the tax payers
We have poured trillions into the inner cities for 50+ years now where programs were to be created to help those communities - yet, they are worse off. Housing has been provided for the same amount of time. Affirmative action has provided jobs and education to many for years now. These cities are much worse off and the majority of black fathers do not support, let alone raise, their children. Crime is way up, yet residents refuse to be witnesses and/or testify to cut down on the crime. Whites are always blamed for all of their problems including crime. They bash white cops and accuse all of them as racists, yet, how many from those cities have applied to wear the uniform to protect their cities. No one ever questions the liberal mayors, councils, Boards as to where the trillions have been spent because it clearly has not improved anything. They are never held to account. But whites are to blame. Trump created programs, changed criminal justice laws, released those with extreme sentences, the first step act and so on. ON TOP OF ALL THE HELP OVER 50+ YEARS NOW. The conditions are much, much worse in these cities. Systemic racism hasn't existed in this country for many years now, but systemic race baiting clearly does and is weaponized by the left that started with Obama. Enough is enough.
“Systemic racismhasn't existed in this country for many years now, but systemic race baiting clearly does and is weaponized by the left that started with Obama.”
Uhhhh, yes it has, and does, but not the way most people think, and I’m sure you agree.
Totally not worth it especially when you acknowledge, and admit the reality that sub Saharan Africans chose to hunt, capture, abuse, and then sell their own fucking people, most of whom ended up in South America, to other people who looked different. Their beef is with their own ancestors. I’m sick of all the black bullshit. No disrespect to any black pedes, but this is reality, and must be said over, and over again.
I’d argue this country is still being punished, and paying for bringing preowned slaves, that only around 2% of very wealthy Americans ever even owned to this very day with no end in sight. The ✊🏿11/77✊🏿crew will never be happy, and they are allowing themselves to be used to destroy the country that has provided them with opportunities, and lives that many can only ever dream of.
Technically black people didn't recreate the slave plantation using the welfare system, white democrats did to control blacks.
The only problem is black people, by and large, haven't realized that this "system of oppression" as it is appropriately named is a system of neo-feudalism that seeks to keep all but a select few poor.
In all actuality this neo-feudalist system wasn't meant to oppress black people perse. Instead they were the test subjects that were successfully weaponized against other white people because the rich assholes who push the agenda don't like competition.
And who gives the Globalists the biggest run for their money? Straight, white Christians.
It's not about race, they want to subjugate everyone, race is just the tool they use to divide people so they can be conquered in a most Machiavellian way.
“Instead they were the test subjects that were successfully weaponized against other white people because the rich assholes who push the agenda don't like competition.”
You are correct. Differences ultimately lead to war. Whether in Africa or Europe or Asia, tribes go to war. People will even go to war with a closely related tribe that lives on the next hill over that speaks a slightly different dialect. Why would we think that people who look and act completely different be compatible?
It really is about race in a eugenics mindframe. Use inferior races to cull undesirable bloodlines within onesown race and then use the victimhood points from a genocide as an excuse to annihilate the "perpetrators".
Nazi Germany went through the same thing. The Jews wanted to cull the parts of their population that bred with the Gypsies and looked and acted like stereotypical Jews from the Middle East so they gulled Germany into doing the dirty work by propping up a half-jew as a "nationalist".
Oh? Which one of your societies has millions flocking to it, abandoning their home country and breaking immigration laws to take part in? Name one. If you can't even build one that people want to flock to, keep your damn mouth shut. Furthermore, why are only white people blamed? Black people still do slavery to this day in Africa, fix that shit before talking about ending systems of oppression and looking only at white people. For once, fix your own damn house before talking shit about the problems in someone elses.
Like what, stop being white? If blacks were a majority, I'm sure like in Nigeria, society would be built up around blackness. However, this is America, founded by Western Europeans.
Black people’s communities were turned into zoos by big government taking over their lives, imprisoning the men for resisting authority while denying them jobs and letting crime fester, flooding in drugs, destroying schools, and unleashing a torrent of media brainwashing on the women and fatherless children to drive them into hopelessness, poverty, dependence and degeneracy.
If that sounds familiar, it’s because they’ve been doing it to the white community now, too.
You’ve misidentified the root of the problem regarding diversity, and fallen directly into the race-baiting trap that the Uniparty has laid.
The parasite is the government system and the ‘elites’ using it to syphon power and wealth from citizens and workers into their own pockets.
They’re just as happy putting on white hoods and directing mob hate to enslave blacks as they are to put on black hoodies and direct mob hate to enslave whites — they use it to divide and conquer.
“Inbred”, “stupid”, “uncaring”, “drug-addicted” — these are all slurs thrown at the Deplorables, too, and they’re using Covid to hook YOU up to big government’s teat, whether you like it or not, force ‘diversity’ integration (and its ugly sister, segregation), and then disarm you, too, just as they did to blacks in the 50s and 60s (you may have noticed that they already flooded white working class communities with opium and created poverty by moving the jobs to China).
Did it occur to you that the blue-haired fools at the front of every BLM line were college-educated white girls?
And have you considered that after a decade of mindless brutish enforcement of things like lockdowns, mask mandates, speech suppression, and ‘green’ codes, that you yourself might easily have the same ‘fuck it, burn it all down’ mentality you see reflected in the eyes of the ‘angry young black man’, and be similarly trapped into enforced ignorance (try to have an intelligent conversation or get useful resources about vaccines, for instance), crime (how many anal swabs will you submit to?), and wretched conditions (lockdowns is a prison term)?
Yeah, I’m not saying I disagree with your statement, as much of it is undoubtedly true. But, how do you explain the massive, ungodly amounts of violence and crime that overflows from one unique community (that is not seen at anywhere near those levels in any other community) and the complete lack of empathy and compassion that appears to be so devoid from said community, as well. And, the data is there to back this up. Also, before anyone attempts to explain this away as something caused by America, then I must ask — why can you find this same level of violence and crime around the globe from the same unique community, whether if the situations remained similar, or if there were different variables at play.
I don’t hate anyone for their skin color, gender, choice in sexual partner, sexual orientation, or toenail length and I find it quite juvenile for anyone to, but that is also their choice. Why in the world would anyone care what another person’s skin color is, or whom they choose to sleep with. That’s quite retarded to me. But, I do not care for violent people, bullies, or criminals (especially those who just do it because they can). Now why is one community far more predisposed to violence, a lack of impulse control, a lack of delayed gratification, and a general disregard for others and the sanctity of life?
At some point, personal accountability and self-embraced cultural values kick in, and blaming others ends. Thomas Sowell, in Dennis Prager's book "Why the Jews?" writes about how the Jews (literally the very first people to live in ghettoes, where they were forcibly moved and locked in by gates, the origin of the term) were able to overcome poverty, racial denigration, have healthier lives, and more stable families because if the values they embraced (biblical ones).
Blaming the machismo, misogyny, glorification of violence, and hyperpromiscuity of the American black community on white people reveals a person's ignorance, because speaking as someone with a graduate degree with an emphasis in African historical cultures (as I do), and nodding to poet laureate of Nigeria Wole Soyinka's criticism of Africa and black Westerners failure or refusal to acknowledge the great complicity of black Africans in the Transatlantic slave trade, rest assured, those toxic strains have been part of African heritage for millennia...
The greatest victims of victimhood mindset are black people hoodwinked by the racist Left which uses them to destroy their own lives and communities, getting idiotic and selfish black pastors (Al Sharpster) and community organizers (Barass Oblahblah) to do their dirty work for them. That's not mere speculation, it is in the documented writings of eugenicist elitists: Margaret Sanger founder Planned Parenthood with the goal of rooting "human weeds" out of existence (her words), and she said that would be the tactic to pursue. And now Planned Parenthood is still fulfilling her agenda but is busy memory-holing it:
You're doing the same thing that the black community does... taking away all personal responsibility for what happens in their lives and blaming someone else.
Here’s a useful exercise: take the roughly 250-year history of the U.S. and divide it into periods of, say, 20 or 30 years each. For each of those periods, make entries into these columns for your own best understanding of the ‘black community’, generally en mass or as notable individuals:
Activities/situations that they were forced into by threats, manipulation, economics, or assurances/promises
Who enforced, created, and directly benefited from the above, and how
Actions taken by blacks to overcome, escape, rise above, become self-responsibile, self-reliant, or get a voice/‘place at the table’
The direct response to those actions and how they were administered
Yes, it’s a field of study polluted with wokeness and SJW terms, but there’s plenty of true facts easily available for you to find. Then reconsider your ‘all-or-nothing’ dichotomy about personal responsibility in terms of actual history (not the woke narratives fed to students today) in light of some clear patterns you’ll uncover.
If that’s too much work, you might also try this approach:
Look into who does the most to spread the ‘blame everyone else’ message into the black community today, and then identify those among the black community who have countered that message most loudly. What happened to them almost immediately after, and what parties had the power to make it happen? Why wouldn’t those parties want that message to spread?
"taking away all personal responsibility for what happens in their lives and blaming someone else." Oh, so just like a race-baiting identity politics whoring stormfaggot. Sad.
This is right out of the Alinsky playbook and the Protocols of Zion. They are creating the impression in Black people's minds that they aren't welcome at the table. That white people are stopping them. But we all have seen the data. Blacks are killing blacks. Blacks keep other blacks down. Wealthy blacks often don't want to share. I ain't dismantling polite society so you can burn down my city!
They never state what systems these are. None of these morons can point out a single law or policy that's racist, in fact THEY benefit the MOST from the current system.
This just might be the most on point post I ever have read on this site. Color doesn't matter, culture does. Thomas Sowell makes an excellent (researched) point in the second chapter of Dennis Prager's book "Why the Jews?" about black people living in the ghettoes is no excuse for economic and social failures of the American black community because the Jews (the very first people forcibly moved into ghettoes, derived from the Latinate word for gates, as they were gated in), because they embraced different [biblical] values, were able to overcome poverty, have better family lives, less crime, etc. The machismo, hypersexualization, misogyny, violence, and gang warfare mindset of the American black subculture is toxic and supremely responsible for the problems which continue to plague it.
The U.S. Civil War was 1861-1865. When it broke out, the overwhelming majority of white people in this country owned no slaves: Per the U.S. Census of 1860, only 1.4% of whites owned slaves, and none owned them in states where slavery was prohibited. And blacks owned slaves at a rate of ten times greater than whites, even if whites owned more black people.
The truth of the matter is that it is black Africans and Arabs chiefly responsible for the slave trade, for centuries, and slavery became associated with black people because Africans were the only ones selling their own kind, albeit from rival tribes. Slavery is STILL practiced in Africa, where Arabs are capturing black Africans at port cities (such as Tripoli, Libya) and selling them in the streets out in the open.
Other than the British Empire (which has invaded all but roughly 20 of the nearly 200 countries in existence), the white West of the modern European world and the USA were the LAST to enter the slave trade, and the FIRST to end it. And our country is the ONLY one to wage a war to end it, spilling the blood of hundreds of thousands of white people to free their enslaved brethren.
FROM PIERO SCARUFFI, "THE ORIGINS OF THE SLAVE TRADE":
"The more we study it, the less blame we have to put on the USA for the slave trade with black Africa: it was pioneered by the Arabs, its economic mechanism was invented by the Italians and the Portuguese, it was mostly run by western Europeans, and it was conducted with the full cooperation of many African kings. The USA fostered free criticism of the phenomenon: for a long time no such criticism was allowed in the Muslim and Christian nations that started trading goods for slaves, and no such criticism was allowed in the African nations that started selling their own people (and, even today, slavery is a taboo subject in the Arab world).
Today it is politically correct to blame some European empires and the USA for slavery (forgetting that it was practiced by everybody since prehistoric times). But I rarely read the other side of the story: that the nations that were the first to develop a repulsion for slavery and eventually abolish slavery were precisely those countries (especially Britain and the USA). In 1787 the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade was founded in England: it was the first society anywhere in the world opposed to slavery. In 1792 English prime minister William Pitt called publicly for the end of the slave trade: it was the first time in history (anywhere in the world) that the ruler of a country had called for the abolition of slavery. To my knowledge, no African king and emperor had ever done so. As Dinesh D'Souza wrote, 'What is uniquely Western is not slavery but the movement to abolish slavery'."
THE SAUCE: THIS INFO WILL BLOW YIUR MINDS. ALL DOCUMENTED WITH SAUCES.
I've yet to hear an explanation as to why black and brown people from all over the Earth flock to the border's of America and break the law to gain entry into a country that hates them.
You don't see White people sneaking into S. Africa do you?
We built civilized society. We're not dismantling it.
As the saying goes, "I read old books because I would rather learn from those who built civilization, rather than from those who tear it down."
https://reasonabletheology.org/cs-lewis-on-reading-old-books/
This is correct. It's class warfare, not race warfare.
This is an interesting argument. I think you're close on a few issues here, but are simplifying things just a bit.
Grouping all Whites and all Blacks as a group is a mistake, I think. The Establishment has convinced what I'll call the BLM faction of Blacks to think they are being persecuted by Whites instead of being persecuted by the Aristocracy. They gave them Marxist tools, and the lack of morality that goes with it.
But there is also a huge faction of Blacks in America who are totally based and just as Patriotic as anyone else. If you talk to them about this stuff, they know about how the system is corrupt. They know it better than most Whites that I know. These are our natural allies and the Establishment will do anything to keep us apart.
Life is a lot more complex than the binary left/right mindset our political discourse normally takes, and they also do that on purpose so we can't have reasonable conversation. This whole thing is classic Bolshevik Revolution stuff. Every bit of it.
So yes, it can be both, but not for the specific reasons you gave. The race war part is manufactured.
Thank God there is a real Patriot here that is able to look past the stupid bullshit white vs black shit...the shit is rolling down hill on all of us. But most of these narrow mind maybe even borderline hardcore racist acting just as bad as the left. For real, we are all in the fight of our lives for our Great America and these jackasses wanted to play into the hands of the left and make it about race. I could scream...but as I was going through given them all hell...I ran across the War_Hamster's post and I was like. YEAH! this person is a Patriot and most likey a Veteran or just a real American. The fight is not with each other; if we follow the money we will find the fight is with cabal bankers, federal reserve and IMF. If we stick together as a country and stick to U S Constitution and Constitutional money Americans will all see the prosperity & freedom fought for by our Founding Fathers
Yup, you get it.
And more people are seeing what you and I see everyday. Keep spreading the word my brother.
Here's a gift; if you really want to see a great example of what you just said, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXdY51tpPbE
This is what I’m saying!
But aren't you incredibly racist yourself?:
Aren't you just projecting, lying and manipulating to the extreme?
This reminds me of when Malcolm X (black nationalist and supremacist in some cases) and George Lincoln Rockwell or GLR (white nationalist and supremacist in some cases also) actually got together and realized they agreed on nearly the same issues and their goals were fairly aligned, then they were both assassinated, coincidentally.
You are onto something here.
They keep us divided so we don't look at them.
Too late dirtbags, we are onto your tricks.
Didnt Muhammad Ali go to a KKK rally as an invited guest speaker?
Ali was very against race mixing.
You don't know, what you don't know. According to your warp statement you know nothing about Malcolm X, which is laughable since there are plenty of movies, books, documentaries and a 1 minute internet search will suggest you are totally clueless.
“Grouping all Whites and all Blacks as a group is a mistake,“
I agree, but not acknowledging, and ignoring reality is downright suicidal, and I see way more people doing that than the grouping you describe. In fact, I see people doing the complete opposite in order to avoid being labeled a “racist” at all costs including but not limited to putting themselves, and families in danger while also being complicit in the destruction of western civilization.
“But there is also a huge faction of Blacks in America who are totally based and just as Patriotic as anyone else.”
🤣 Is that a joke? You’re being way to generous fren. It’s 2, maybe 3% tops if I’m being generous. I’ve lived, and worked in a major chocolate city commie shithole all my life, and you couldn’t be more wrong. They are overwhelmingly, disproportionately, and openly socialists at best, and communists at worst. I’m talking about people on the lower end of the “education” spectrum not even having a GED, to the Ivy League educated. I’ve seen, and been around them all.
Yup, too many are giving in to the mob, but that tide may be turning.
"It’s 2, maybe 3% tops if I’m being generous."
I have no idea what the real number is. My impression is that it's changing for the better. Can't quantify it.
And the less educated, of course, are always easier to manipulate, so I can't imagine why "they" would want to screw inner city education.
2 or 3% is definitely lowballing how many based black people there are, but the number is still not very high, probably more like low teens. The vast majority of black people, despite being mostly good people as individuals, are indeed essentially socialists who think the government is the answer to everything and that any reduction in its power will just lead to them being bowled over by white people.
It is just as easy for Blacks to sit back and throw racist insults at Whites as is for Whites to set back and throw racist insults at Blacks. To prove my point i been just as racist with stereo types, predjuice, racist comments about White people, in response to racist, predjuice, stereotypes pertaining to Blacks citizens.
Now you want to know what White PRIVILEGE is?
Will all the predjuice, racist stereotypes comments pertaining to Black citizens still remain on this feed. White people like ya can't handle the same rhetoric you throw at others. As a Black man my skin is thick. I don't run cry looking for help after I speak my mind. All the racist, stereotype, predjuice comments pertaining to White people are now removed. That's what I call White Privilege.
Point made! Don't act as if Blacks are denied full rights and privileges of American citizens. Decades education in state schools was denied, Black citizens are still murder lynched for sport...and as our Great President Trump show the world our Justice system is unfair.
So we all live with issues in the Greatest Country in the world. BFD that's just part of life.
But the People; American citizens must not fall for the lefts attempt to pit Citizens against each other.
THE PEOPLES FIGHT IS WITH, FEDERAL RESERVE, BIG BANKS AND IMF. Not your fellow citizens.
Something similar can be said about "Right v Left" ... using the press definitions for right and left.
It's entirely an argument about how often the totalitarian government uses tongs to control the populace, as opposed to exerting their force directly.
Trump is off this standard political axis a very long way. The differences are highlighted by the press as being "Far Right" ... but he's a long way away in another direction entirely. The Jacksonian/Freedom direction (as opposed to the Team Karen direction), if one needs a map.
This dude reads my mind.
I've been preaching this far and wide. The political axis has always been focused (by them) to highlight the marginal differences, while the real question has always been about Statism vs Freedom (that's vertical).
Does that makes sense? Because I very much think you've found the same truths I have and I'm trying to make an argument that I haven't figured out how to articulate well yet.
its not just that they use EVERYTHING to divide people white black Hispanic native american like me (50% fuck you warren) gay or what ever the fuck as-long as no kids and no animals its truly evil. these people hate us because they want to control us
I'm not going to go into all the reasons why they hate us, but yes.
What I'm hoping for is that we can save as many of their brainwashed victims as possible.
I'm not sure about that.
Source: I'm a Medical Examiner. Ask me how many black on white murders I see in a week.
This is definitely race warfare but it's easy to stir up low IQ morons with no impulse control and perpetual victimhood so I get what you're saying. Realistically, the elite are using blacks as a weapon against us pesky white people.
We are on the same page.
I've been preaching that there is a faction of the Black community that has been programmed with the Marxist anti-White BS, but a good percentage of Blacks recognize that the problem is, and always has been, the establishment (Elites).
It's interesting that you made it through the education system as far as you did and came out without being brainwashed. Congrats. Care to share your secret?
my bet hes over 40 years old
Ya'll talking about all the bs about Black community with Marxist anti-White crap. I agree it is crap. I ask, where is all the talk about antifa, George Soros and the like programming White, Black, Brown, Yellow, Tan, Olive everybody. All you people want to do is blame Black people. Crazy. Politicians in power pushing socialism are not Black. Last check, Bernie Sanders, Crazy Nancy, Chuck Schumer, Bitch Mitch, Mitt, Clinton, corrupt judges etc all good White people fucking the country up.
I always tell Black people talking like you all talk, "you sure give the White man a lot of power of your life". So I will ask all you good White folk the same, "why do you give the Black man so much power over your life?".
Why do you want to pick your fight with Black citizens? Ain't gonna change your misery.
I think you misinterpret me. I'm not looking to pick a fight with non-communist Black people, I'm looking to get them to join with me to fight against our common enemy.
And I'm always calling out Antifa, Soros, the ruling class (our common enemy). Go look at my post history.
Tom Macdonald says it better than I ever could:
"I think Black Lives Matter was the stupidest name
When the system's screwing everyone exactly the same"
Then why are these people absolutely hell bent on destroying any semblence of white identity? If it was class warfare, you'd think they would be dividing along class lines, but they're not. It's entirely racial, and it's nothing but non stop dehumanization of whites and white culture.
I was imprecise to emphasize the more important point that this is about the elite grifters punishing us for trying to hold them accountable.
It is actually both class and race war, but the race war isn't black vs white.
the more cracks you make the easier the window is to break divide and divide America was a VERY strong country
And it goes beyond just America.
Given what some corporate literature is now defining as white identity and how to be less white, the elites want to erase characteristics that make a person economically independent and with agency in society.
"Then why are these people absolutely hell bent on destroying any semblence of white identity? "
That's a documented part of the Marxist plan to destroy the West. Read up on this. You'll enjoy it.
It’s both, and if you continue to deny, and ignore it, you are complicit in western civilizations destruction.
Dude, that's a histrionic and combative comment that serves no purpose other than to boost your social credit score. You're not on Twatter.
Please read my other comments on this thread before responding.
I said if.🤷🏼♂️
You’re not going to change my mind on this. God speed fellow pede.
No worries, I'm not going to argue with you on semantics.
I think you could have phrased that post better, but I'm not going to spend another minute on that subject. You're solid on the stuff that matters.
Have you ever heard of Africa?
Africa is screwed for many reasons, but it doesn't have to be.
I suggest the problem in Africa is more cultural than genetic.
Tribalism is a big issue that's not being addressed.
Tribalism is human nature. Without tribalism, You cant build civilizations or nations.
You are correct, but I'm using a slightly different version of "tribalism".
Maybe there's a better term for it, but what I'm suggesting is that throughout Africa's history, the culture hasn't grown past the point of killing your rival tribes and carrying on generational blood feuds.
Those f*ckers sold their own people into slavery because of that.
Very true. The divisive identity politics narrative wasn't thought up by the Black community, but rather by academic and political elites intent on tearing down Western Civilization. Because they have the megaphone of MSM, academia, and Hollywood, they are able to sway all but the most informed among us.
Sometimes when I think about how wealthy and powerful our true enemies are, I get a little unnerved. I try to remember that the truth is so very powerful, and once someone has seen it, they can't unsee it and it is innoculation against an infinite amount of propaganda.
Do you really think white nations will be erased?
I mean, they might dilute into a dilapidated husk of what they were, overrun by unskilled migrants and Marxist bullcrap policies, overseen by an unqualified elite corrupted by kickbacks of debt-based toilet paper, but they're still countries technically.
It really is pretty sad. America's conservatives are literally the only coherent pushback there.
UK is most likely future for most western nations.
most English people are very very angry see the lotus eaters podcast
I lived in the UK in the 90s, it was actually pretty nice. Everyone got along for the most part. It's become a real shit hole since then.
American conservatives except for Nick Fuentes and his team are clueless on what needs to be done. They still preach civic nationalism when everyone knows that civic nationalism doesn't work.
You people are some of the most narrow minded simpletons in America. You are on point; your issues are with the global cabal bankers. Yet you still want to insult Black citizens because you really harbor distain and hate for what you see when you look in the mirror. You are not fit to match wits with the most under privilege dim witted Black citizen. Bet ten to one you were hatched in chicken shit.
🤣✊🏿 STAY WOKE!!!
It’s both the Bolsheviks, and their more than willing, and complicit pets. The difference is that their often low IQ pets are the foot soldiers who you are forced to live, and associate with on a daily basis. They are the ones directly causing violence, and destruction, to mostly each other, on an hourly basis all around the country. You have no choice, but to acknowledge, recognize, and deal with it eventually, not out of any type of hate for something a silly as looks, and/or skin color, but out of pure sanity, and survival.
To ignore the 11/77 crews contributions over the last few decades is not only silly, but it’s extremely stupid, irresponsible, and deadly.
Except the ✊🏿💊, and move on. There is no denying it any longer.
https://patriots.win/p/12hRZh4mGc/weekly-reminder-that-just-employ/
https://patriots.win/p/GvToTT3p/psa-leading-causes-of-death--mal/c/
It’s really pitiful. And it’s one of the things that will split us down the line.
You?
Laughs in "Soulja Boy".
LOL. " I understand that reference!" (Too bad Chris Evans is such a MAGA-hating flake. It ruins Captain America for me at times...)
Yup!
Comedian Carlos Mencia used to joke that every period in American history has groups in it treated like shit, not just descendants from Africa, but the Irish, Jews, Italians, Chinese, Hispanics, Arabs, etc. This is true, even if it is not true for every group. The reason why THIS country is soooo focused on black-white relations is because the Left refuses to teach the truth about slavery, which enflames both sides, creating the friction and animosity which it requires to divide and conquer, in order to destroy the West and usher in Communism.
When the U.S. Civil War broke out (1861-1865), per the U.S. Census of 1860, only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves, and none owned them in the states where slavery was allowed. You read correctly. Only 1.4%, and not all of that tiny percentage were white; in fact, black people owned slaves at a rate of ten times per white person, even if white people owned more slaves. This is why any talk of reparations is nonsense; you don't punish all citizens by giving funds to black people of African descent, as the overwhelming majority of people in this country were not slave owners, and African descendants enslaved white people, Native Americans, and fellow African descendants. And both Arabs and black Africans largely were responsible for the slave trade of Africa. Poet Laureate of Nigeria Woye Solinka famously criticized black people for refusing to acknowledge African complicity, since African chieftains captured enemy tribes and sold it bartered the unfortunate souls for European goods or monies, and we're even quite upset when white people stopped purchasing slaves.
And, of course, there are many newer studies and books into the phenomenon of Africans kidnapping and selling white Europeans as slaves, roughly 1.2 million of them. (Transatlantic slave trade estimate is roughly 12.5 million souls.)
And then there is the phenomenon of the Brits kidnapping Irish children and impoverished English children for slave labor on tobacco plantations in Barbados, and raiding brothels to kidnap women to be enslaved as breeders in their colony of Virginia. (The term "kidnapping" derives from the Brits nabbing Irish kids.)
So when you don't teach people the whole truth, and you foster entitlement mentality in black communities, you end up with racial strife....the goal of the Left all along.
The sauces:
https://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html
"In 1807 Britain outlawed slavery. In 1820 the king of the African kingdom of Ashanti inquired why the Christians did not want to trade slaves with him anymore, since they worshipped the same god as the Muslims and the Muslims were continuing the trade like before. The civil rights movement of the 1960's have left many people with the belief that the slave trade was exclusively a European/US phenomenon and that only evil white people were to blame for it. This is a simplistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts.
Thousands of records of transactions are available on a CDROM prepared by Harvard University and several comprehensive books have been published recently on the origins of modern slavery that shed new light on centuries of slave trading.
What these records show is that the African slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. In most instances, no violence was necessary to obtain those slaves. Contrary to legends and novels and Hollywood movies, the white traders did not need to savagely kill entire tribes in order to exact their tribute in slaves. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The kings would gladly sell their own subjects. (Of course, this neither condones the white traders who bought the slaves nor deny that many white traders did commit atrocities to maximize their business).
This explains why slavery became "black". Ancient slavery, e.g. under the Roman empire, would not discriminate: slaves were both white and black (so were emperors and popes). During the middle ages, all European countries outlawed slavery (of course, hypocritical Christian nations retained countless "civilized" ways to enslave their citizens, but that's another story), whereas the African kingdoms continued in their trade. Therefore, at some point only colored people could be slaves, and that is how the stereotype for African-American slavery was born. It was not based on an ancestral hatred of blacks by whites, but simply on the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves, and they were selling people of their own race. (To be precise, Christians were also selling Muslim slaves captured in war, and Muslims were selling Christian slaves captured in war, but neither the Christians of Europe nor the Muslims of Africa and the Middle East were selling their own people).
Then the Muslim trade of African slaves declined rapidly when Arab domination was reduced by the emerging European powers. (Note: Arabs continued to capture and sell slaves, but mostly in the Mediterranean. In fact, Robert Davis estimates that 1.25 million European Christians were enslaved by the "barbary states" of northern Africa. As late as 1801 the USA bombed Morocco, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli precisely to stop that Arab slave trade of Christians. The rate of mortality of those Christian slaves in the Islamic world was roughly the same as the mortality rate in the Atlantic slave trade of the same period).
Christians took over in black Africa, though. The first ones were the Portuguese, who, applying an idea that was originally developed in Italian seatrading cities, and often using Italian venture capital, started exploiting sub-Saharan slaves in the 1440s to support the economy of the sugar plantations (mainly for their own African colonies of Sao Tome and Madeira).
The Dutch were the first, apparently, to import black slaves into North America, but black slaves had already been employed all over the world, including South and Central America. We tend to focus on what happened in North America because the USA would eventually fight a war over slavery (and it's in the USA that large sectors of the population would start condemning slavery, contrary to the indifference that Muslims and most Europeans kept showing towards it).
Even after Europeans began transporting black slaves to America, most trade was just that: "trade". In many instances, the Europeans did not need to use any force to get those slaves. The slaves were "sold" more or less legally by their (black) owners. Scholars estimate that about 12,000,000 Africans were sold by Africans to Europeans (most of them before 1776, when the USA wasn't yet born) and 17,000,000 were sold to Arabs. The legends of European mercenaries capturing free people in the jungle are mostly just that: legends. A few white mercenaries certainly stormed peaceful tribes and committed terrible crimes, but that was not the norm. There was no need to risk their lives, so most of them didn't: they simply purchased (black) people from (black) traders.
As an African-American scholar (Nathan Huggins) has written, the "identity" of black Africans is largely a white invention: sub-Saharan Africans never felt like they were one people, they felt (and still feel) that they belonged to different tribes. The distinctions of tribe were far stronger than the distinctions of race.
Everything else is true: millions of slaves died on ships and of diseases, millions of blacks worked for free to allow the Western economies to prosper, and the economic interests in slavery became so strong that the southern states of the United States opposed repealing it. But those millions of slaves were just one of the many instances of mass exploitation: the industrial revolution was exported to the USA by enterpreuners exploiting millions of poor immigrants from Europe. The fate of those immigrants was not much better than the fate of the slaves in the Southern plantations. For example, it is debatable who had access to better health care: the poor European immigrants in the industrial north, or the black slaves in the agricultural south? As a matter of fact, many slaves enjoyed better living conditions in the southern plantations than European immigrants in the industrial cities (which were sometimes comparable to concentration camps). It is not a coincidence that slavery was abolished at a time when millions of European and Chinese immigrants provided the same kind of cheap labor that slaves could provide: why go all the way to Africa to purchase a slave when cheap Europeans and Chinese are available by the millions? The Chinese who were shipped from China to work on the transcontinental railroad were not treated much better than the plantation slaves.
It is also fair to say that, while everybody tolerated it, very few whites practiced slavery: in 1860 there were 385,000 USA citizens who owned slaves, or about 1.4% of the white population (there were 27 million whites in the USA). That percentage was zero in the states that did not allow slavery (only 8 million of the 27 million whites lived in states that allowed slavery). Incidentally, in 1830 about 25% of South Carolina's free negro slave masters (blacks who had been freed and owned black slaves) owned 10 or more slaves: that is a much higher percentage (ten times more) than the percentage of white slave owners. Thus slave owners were a tiny minority (1.4%) and it was not only whites: it was just about anybody who could, including blacks themselves.
It is likely that there were more black slave traders (in Africa) than white slave traders (in America or Europe).
Moral opposition to slavery became widespread even before Lincoln, and throughout Europe. On the other hand, opposition to slavery was never particularly strong in Africa itself, where slavery is slowly being eradicated only in our times. One can suspect that slavery would have remained common in most African kingdoms until this day: what crushed slavery in Africa was that all those African kingdoms became colonies of western European countries that (for one reason or another) eventually decided to outlaw slavery."
READ THE [email protected] LINK ABOVE.
"White Gold," by Giles Milton (book)
"This is the forgotten story of the million white Europeans, snatched from their homes and taken in chains to the great slave markets of North Africa to be sold to the highest bidder. Ignored by their own governments, and forced to endure the harshest of conditions, very few lived to tell the tale."
https://www.theroot.com/the-future-of-africa-soyinka-and-gates-1790900290
"While many influential thinkers and leaders are calling for the two leaders to be held accountable, Soyinka, in typical style, pushed the contemporary discussion to its historical limits, linking modern dictators from Uganda's late Idi Amin to Mugabe to their opportunistic predecessors who drove the African slave trade. It is a painful linkage, he said, that blacks in the diaspora, especially African Americans, still struggle to reconcile. "If African Americans confront that history," he told me, "they will discover that [today's war criminal regimes] are the same people, they're descendants of their mental kin, and they are treating their own people in exactly the same way" as Africans treated other Africans whom they captured and enslaved, then sold to Europeans or North Africans to be shipped to the New World, Europe or the Middle East. I know well of the raw nerves exposed when it comes to tracing black Africans to the source of the slave trade."
P.S. For the record, I am a Christian, so I do not think any race is superior to any other, only cultures are, based on their fruits. God created mankind, all races, and declared all that He had made to be very good (Genesis 2). If He didn't love POCs, then he would not have made so many of them! Variety is the spice of life, yes?
You still with us, Auntie? I'm checking up on you before I say my prayers! Hit me back, bruh, oksy?
Are White Men Gods? (II): Getting the Facts Straight
Not white supremacy but a reflection on the achievements of Western Civilization.
This is exactly why I’m an American supremacist, and a white enthusiast. 🇺🇸😎💪🏻
And dragged everyone else, kicking and screaming like children told to eat their vegetables, along with.
This is the only acceptable response. A polite way of saying "No, get fucked."
They leave the blank empty so that they can add something later. If they don't tell us what they think is oppressive then they will never know if we agree.
Example:
I disliked police brutality as much as the next guy and was totally willing to put my support behind more police training to recognize when your partner might be using excessive force and intervene. Or allowing nearby police precincts to review eachother police reports to prevent precincts covering for out of line cops and to double up on finding errors that prevent convictions when you get a good lawyer.
But then BLM came allow, destroyed their own cities, annoyed the shit out of everyone, were super cringe, and demanded defunding of the police which led into higher crime and higher costs of living for those living in the area. They also racialized a bipartisan problem and promoted racial conscientiousness and Marxism.
Ultimately the result was BLM ran off with the money, hurt a lot of people's lives, got absolutely nothing fixed, scared the hell out of everyone, and, honestly, became a massive liability for the democratic party.
You’re only 150% correct. It will have to do.
Just got off the phone with Dominion. Expect a 400% increase at 4AM.
Voting Democrats out of office, and kicking the GOP out after them
/there’s your answer — except it may need to be done in a way it isn’t supposed to be
"Embrace communism".
I am also curious about how our system benefits white people above other races.
Stop huh whytesplaining bigot!!!
You don't see how you benefit when someone of a different race with lower test scores and general achievement gets into the school you didn't because of their race?
I guess that's just because you're a racist.
The only way for the Bolsheviks, and their brain melting, and civilization destroying ideas to flourish is to leave them open ended. Everything with the left is subjective instead of objective. That’s why I laugh when they try to say they’re the party of science.
There is a whole world out there without white people. I dunno why they just don’t emigrate there.
I'm making sure it is impossible to dismantle.
STOP OPPRESSING ME YOU BIGOT!
They cry out in pain as they murder you.
YOU ARE HURTING ME RIGHT NOW!
Since the system we have here is so bad I say we should offer a 100k reparations plan that included permanent repatriation back to Africa with them and thier progeny never allowed to return (to protect them from evil whitey).
This is a great idea. Detroit can finally become the true icon it once was.
Liberia shouldn't have been optional
Indeed. Not sending the slaves back to Africa was Lincolns second biggest mistake. His first was not banning the Democratic party.
This would be the most sound investment this country could ever make. It would pay itself off in six months tops.
Yup
I was stuck on an airplane recently and was watching "The First 48" of whatever it's called where they follow police detectives for the first 48 hours of a case. Two major impressions:
James Duane is so totally right. Don't talk to the police.
We waste so much time, money, and effort on black crime in America. What a drain on the tax payers
“PoliticalHumor”
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We have poured trillions into the inner cities for 50+ years now where programs were to be created to help those communities - yet, they are worse off. Housing has been provided for the same amount of time. Affirmative action has provided jobs and education to many for years now. These cities are much worse off and the majority of black fathers do not support, let alone raise, their children. Crime is way up, yet residents refuse to be witnesses and/or testify to cut down on the crime. Whites are always blamed for all of their problems including crime. They bash white cops and accuse all of them as racists, yet, how many from those cities have applied to wear the uniform to protect their cities. No one ever questions the liberal mayors, councils, Boards as to where the trillions have been spent because it clearly has not improved anything. They are never held to account. But whites are to blame. Trump created programs, changed criminal justice laws, released those with extreme sentences, the first step act and so on. ON TOP OF ALL THE HELP OVER 50+ YEARS NOW. The conditions are much, much worse in these cities. Systemic racism hasn't existed in this country for many years now, but systemic race baiting clearly does and is weaponized by the left that started with Obama. Enough is enough.
You cant fix stupid
I'd say you can't fix Democrat, but then that would be redundant.
It's an IQ problem - seriously. You can't throw money at stupid. You can't publically say this though. And thus it shall continue forever
“Systemic racismhasn't existed in this country for many years now, but systemic race baiting clearly does and is weaponized by the left that started with Obama.”
Uhhhh, yes it has, and does, but not the way most people think, and I’m sure you agree.
Over 600K deaths to dismantle the system of keeping blacks as slaves. Consider the debt paid in full.
Totally not worth it especially when you acknowledge, and admit the reality that sub Saharan Africans chose to hunt, capture, abuse, and then sell their own fucking people, most of whom ended up in South America, to other people who looked different. Their beef is with their own ancestors. I’m sick of all the black bullshit. No disrespect to any black pedes, but this is reality, and must be said over, and over again.
I’d argue this country is still being punished, and paying for bringing preowned slaves, that only around 2% of very wealthy Americans ever even owned to this very day with no end in sight. The ✊🏿11/77✊🏿crew will never be happy, and they are allowing themselves to be used to destroy the country that has provided them with opportunities, and lives that many can only ever dream of.
https://patriots.win/p/12hRZh4mGc/weekly-reminder-that-just-employ/
He says on a platform built by white people on a device invented by white people on the internet invented by Al Gore, a white person.
Yes I know he didn’t really invent it but I did meet him at the Webby Awards in NYC when he was given an award for inventing the Internet.
Dear Black People. Be less black.
Dear Urban Blacks: your "culture" is nothing but pain and misery. It sucks and civilized people want nothing to do with it or you.
Heheh this is what we all want to say
Remember when political humor used to be about actual jokes
Remember when humor used to be about actual jokes
This fucker can lick my balls.
Dude. Eww.
Technically black people didn't recreate the slave plantation using the welfare system, white democrats did to control blacks.
The only problem is black people, by and large, haven't realized that this "system of oppression" as it is appropriately named is a system of neo-feudalism that seeks to keep all but a select few poor.
In all actuality this neo-feudalist system wasn't meant to oppress black people per se. Instead they were the test subjects that were successfully weaponized against other white people because the rich assholes who push the agenda don't like competition.
And who gives the Globalists the biggest run for their money? Straight, white Christians.
It's not about race, they want to subjugate everyone, race is just the tool they use to divide people so they can be conquered in a most Machiavellian way.
“Instead they were the test subjects that were successfully weaponized against other white people because the rich assholes who push the agenda don't like competition.”
“WHITE PEOPLE” AKA Bolsheviks.
You are correct. Differences ultimately lead to war. Whether in Africa or Europe or Asia, tribes go to war. People will even go to war with a closely related tribe that lives on the next hill over that speaks a slightly different dialect. Why would we think that people who look and act completely different be compatible?
It really is about race in a eugenics mindframe. Use inferior races to cull undesirable bloodlines within onesown race and then use the victimhood points from a genocide as an excuse to annihilate the "perpetrators".
Nazi Germany went through the same thing. The Jews wanted to cull the parts of their population that bred with the Gypsies and looked and acted like stereotypical Jews from the Middle East so they gulled Germany into doing the dirty work by propping up a half-jew as a "nationalist".
Does this include the emancipation proclamation?
Ohhhh lawdy Imma gonna make a fortune growing cotton with all that free labor!
So, what system is that? Nobody ever seems to be specific.
Like, BLM chants we want change and shit...
So, change what?
Like, you need to propose a bill, or actual change.
Just asking for change is empty.
change is the only constant. -Heraclitus
Oh? Which one of your societies has millions flocking to it, abandoning their home country and breaking immigration laws to take part in? Name one. If you can't even build one that people want to flock to, keep your damn mouth shut. Furthermore, why are only white people blamed? Black people still do slavery to this day in Africa, fix that shit before talking about ending systems of oppression and looking only at white people. For once, fix your own damn house before talking shit about the problems in someone elses.
You can’t fix section 8 housing bigot.
...so wheres the punchline? Or the joke for that matter? I forgot how shit tier reddit "political humor" is. Jesus.
The punchline is society.
"Dismantle your systems of oppression".
Like what, stop being white? If blacks were a majority, I'm sure like in Nigeria, society would be built up around blackness. However, this is America, founded by Western Europeans.
Just look at any major chocolate city, and you have your answer.
Kek
Black people’s communities were turned into zoos by big government taking over their lives, imprisoning the men for resisting authority while denying them jobs and letting crime fester, flooding in drugs, destroying schools, and unleashing a torrent of media brainwashing on the women and fatherless children to drive them into hopelessness, poverty, dependence and degeneracy.
If that sounds familiar, it’s because they’ve been doing it to the white community now, too.
/The cage creates the beast
You’ve misidentified the root of the problem regarding diversity, and fallen directly into the race-baiting trap that the Uniparty has laid.
The parasite is the government system and the ‘elites’ using it to syphon power and wealth from citizens and workers into their own pockets.
They’re just as happy putting on white hoods and directing mob hate to enslave blacks as they are to put on black hoodies and direct mob hate to enslave whites — they use it to divide and conquer.
“Inbred”, “stupid”, “uncaring”, “drug-addicted” — these are all slurs thrown at the Deplorables, too, and they’re using Covid to hook YOU up to big government’s teat, whether you like it or not, force ‘diversity’ integration (and its ugly sister, segregation), and then disarm you, too, just as they did to blacks in the 50s and 60s (you may have noticed that they already flooded white working class communities with opium and created poverty by moving the jobs to China).
Did it occur to you that the blue-haired fools at the front of every BLM line were college-educated white girls?
And have you considered that after a decade of mindless brutish enforcement of things like lockdowns, mask mandates, speech suppression, and ‘green’ codes, that you yourself might easily have the same ‘fuck it, burn it all down’ mentality you see reflected in the eyes of the ‘angry young black man’, and be similarly trapped into enforced ignorance (try to have an intelligent conversation or get useful resources about vaccines, for instance), crime (how many anal swabs will you submit to?), and wretched conditions (lockdowns is a prison term)?
Would that be your own decision?
Yeah, I’m not saying I disagree with your statement, as much of it is undoubtedly true. But, how do you explain the massive, ungodly amounts of violence and crime that overflows from one unique community (that is not seen at anywhere near those levels in any other community) and the complete lack of empathy and compassion that appears to be so devoid from said community, as well. And, the data is there to back this up. Also, before anyone attempts to explain this away as something caused by America, then I must ask — why can you find this same level of violence and crime around the globe from the same unique community, whether if the situations remained similar, or if there were different variables at play.
I don’t hate anyone for their skin color, gender, choice in sexual partner, sexual orientation, or toenail length and I find it quite juvenile for anyone to, but that is also their choice. Why in the world would anyone care what another person’s skin color is, or whom they choose to sleep with. That’s quite retarded to me. But, I do not care for violent people, bullies, or criminals (especially those who just do it because they can). Now why is one community far more predisposed to violence, a lack of impulse control, a lack of delayed gratification, and a general disregard for others and the sanctity of life?
My god.
Finally, a pede who isn't a fucking redneck stereotype.
Well done, sir.
I don’t want to misidentify you. Do you identify as a woke white simp, or a WOKEkandan?
In the world of adults and nuanced thinking, there are more shades than black and white.
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✊🏿****STAY WOKE!!!****✊🏿
My God.
Finally, a leftist shill who doesn’t come across as an elitist prick.
Oh wait.
A breath of fresh air honestly.
At some point, personal accountability and self-embraced cultural values kick in, and blaming others ends. Thomas Sowell, in Dennis Prager's book "Why the Jews?" writes about how the Jews (literally the very first people to live in ghettoes, where they were forcibly moved and locked in by gates, the origin of the term) were able to overcome poverty, racial denigration, have healthier lives, and more stable families because if the values they embraced (biblical ones).
Blaming the machismo, misogyny, glorification of violence, and hyperpromiscuity of the American black community on white people reveals a person's ignorance, because speaking as someone with a graduate degree with an emphasis in African historical cultures (as I do), and nodding to poet laureate of Nigeria Wole Soyinka's criticism of Africa and black Westerners failure or refusal to acknowledge the great complicity of black Africans in the Transatlantic slave trade, rest assured, those toxic strains have been part of African heritage for millennia...
The hoax of black victimization most continue at all costs. How dare you try to interfere and question it. Why you so racist bro?
The greatest victims of victimhood mindset are black people hoodwinked by the racist Left which uses them to destroy their own lives and communities, getting idiotic and selfish black pastors (Al Sharpster) and community organizers (Barass Oblahblah) to do their dirty work for them. That's not mere speculation, it is in the documented writings of eugenicist elitists: Margaret Sanger founder Planned Parenthood with the goal of rooting "human weeds" out of existence (her words), and she said that would be the tactic to pursue. And now Planned Parenthood is still fulfilling her agenda but is busy memory-holing it:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KqWhXgOHmvo
https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/07/22/margaret-sanger-feminism-planned-parenthood-abortion-eugenics
https://all.org/all-to-google-youtube-why-are-you-protecting-racists/
I think the Jews are a great case study.
I think the differentiator was the family.
You're doing the same thing that the black community does... taking away all personal responsibility for what happens in their lives and blaming someone else.
Here’s a useful exercise: take the roughly 250-year history of the U.S. and divide it into periods of, say, 20 or 30 years each. For each of those periods, make entries into these columns for your own best understanding of the ‘black community’, generally en mass or as notable individuals:
Activities/situations that they were forced into by threats, manipulation, economics, or assurances/promises
Who enforced, created, and directly benefited from the above, and how
Actions taken by blacks to overcome, escape, rise above, become self-responsibile, self-reliant, or get a voice/‘place at the table’
The direct response to those actions and how they were administered
Yes, it’s a field of study polluted with wokeness and SJW terms, but there’s plenty of true facts easily available for you to find. Then reconsider your ‘all-or-nothing’ dichotomy about personal responsibility in terms of actual history (not the woke narratives fed to students today) in light of some clear patterns you’ll uncover.
If that’s too much work, you might also try this approach:
Look into who does the most to spread the ‘blame everyone else’ message into the black community today, and then identify those among the black community who have countered that message most loudly. What happened to them almost immediately after, and what parties had the power to make it happen? Why wouldn’t those parties want that message to spread?
"taking away all personal responsibility for what happens in their lives and blaming someone else." Oh, so just like a race-baiting identity politics whoring stormfaggot. Sad.
This is right out of the Alinsky playbook and the Protocols of Zion. They are creating the impression in Black people's minds that they aren't welcome at the table. That white people are stopping them. But we all have seen the data. Blacks are killing blacks. Blacks keep other blacks down. Wealthy blacks often don't want to share. I ain't dismantling polite society so you can burn down my city!
They're right. they dont want apologies. Just your endless self-flagellation and groveling.
They never state what systems these are. None of these morons can point out a single law or policy that's racist, in fact THEY benefit the MOST from the current system.
This just might be the most on point post I ever have read on this site. Color doesn't matter, culture does. Thomas Sowell makes an excellent (researched) point in the second chapter of Dennis Prager's book "Why the Jews?" about black people living in the ghettoes is no excuse for economic and social failures of the American black community because the Jews (the very first people forcibly moved into ghettoes, derived from the Latinate word for gates, as they were gated in), because they embraced different [biblical] values, were able to overcome poverty, have better family lives, less crime, etc. The machismo, hypersexualization, misogyny, violence, and gang warfare mindset of the American black subculture is toxic and supremely responsible for the problems which continue to plague it.
The U.S. Civil War was 1861-1865. When it broke out, the overwhelming majority of white people in this country owned no slaves: Per the U.S. Census of 1860, only 1.4% of whites owned slaves, and none owned them in states where slavery was prohibited. And blacks owned slaves at a rate of ten times greater than whites, even if whites owned more black people.
The truth of the matter is that it is black Africans and Arabs chiefly responsible for the slave trade, for centuries, and slavery became associated with black people because Africans were the only ones selling their own kind, albeit from rival tribes. Slavery is STILL practiced in Africa, where Arabs are capturing black Africans at port cities (such as Tripoli, Libya) and selling them in the streets out in the open.
Other than the British Empire (which has invaded all but roughly 20 of the nearly 200 countries in existence), the white West of the modern European world and the USA were the LAST to enter the slave trade, and the FIRST to end it. And our country is the ONLY one to wage a war to end it, spilling the blood of hundreds of thousands of white people to free their enslaved brethren.
FROM PIERO SCARUFFI, "THE ORIGINS OF THE SLAVE TRADE":
"The more we study it, the less blame we have to put on the USA for the slave trade with black Africa: it was pioneered by the Arabs, its economic mechanism was invented by the Italians and the Portuguese, it was mostly run by western Europeans, and it was conducted with the full cooperation of many African kings. The USA fostered free criticism of the phenomenon: for a long time no such criticism was allowed in the Muslim and Christian nations that started trading goods for slaves, and no such criticism was allowed in the African nations that started selling their own people (and, even today, slavery is a taboo subject in the Arab world).
Today it is politically correct to blame some European empires and the USA for slavery (forgetting that it was practiced by everybody since prehistoric times). But I rarely read the other side of the story: that the nations that were the first to develop a repulsion for slavery and eventually abolish slavery were precisely those countries (especially Britain and the USA). In 1787 the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade was founded in England: it was the first society anywhere in the world opposed to slavery. In 1792 English prime minister William Pitt called publicly for the end of the slave trade: it was the first time in history (anywhere in the world) that the ruler of a country had called for the abolition of slavery. To my knowledge, no African king and emperor had ever done so. As Dinesh D'Souza wrote, 'What is uniquely Western is not slavery but the movement to abolish slavery'."
THE SAUCE: THIS INFO WILL BLOW YIUR MINDS. ALL DOCUMENTED WITH SAUCES.
https://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html
Political "humor"
Build your own system, this one's taken.
How long till they realize they will have to kill us?
Typical. This was not an American who wrote this. It was some European cuck. The S instead of a Z in apologise, gives it away.
So, what is asking for reparations all about?
You don't want an apology.... But you want our money haha?
White's and Asians are responsible for the best societies in human existence.
They've built the greatest infrastructure and inventions in history.
By "whites", I mean Europeans, and of course, many "whites" have pretty dark skin, like my Italian ancestors.
OK, then you would agree we must dismantle Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood. It literally kills black babies, and sells them.
Political humor huh? Does reddit know what humor is? This is not humor its a message of pure hate lol.... oo so funny and not racist.
Fuck Reddit. Bunch of cunts.
And replace it with WHAT? Please, for the love of God, tell us what this great utopia system you have invented is?
Spoiler Alert: Communism, and it is a system of oppression.
I bet a dollar that a white person wrote that post.
I've yet to hear an explanation as to why black and brown people from all over the Earth flock to the border's of America and break the law to gain entry into a country that hates them.
You don't see White people sneaking into S. Africa do you?
My reply: How about you go fuck your self.
Blacks didnt create it
It was forced upon them. Thanks LBJ.
They are kind of people who had no problem watching their wives getting raped infront of them by poc. As usual, Useful idiots will get shot first.
this shows how braindead the average reddit tard is.
No.
What... fucking... systems?
Absolute fucking retarded SJWs!
We live in the darkest, most retarded timeline.
Why would we dismantle civilization? If you don't want to live in one most of the world is still at the stage you desire.
Dear commies Fuck off
"ApologiSe" with an S = UK cuck fag = automatically disregard
I'm pretty sure over the summer lots of people were asked to kneel and apologize for slavery.
BE MORE WHITE
"Don't forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped & brainwashed, and they think it's funny." - Sam Hyde
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Slavery was the biggest mistake ever. honestly fuck our founding fathers for doing nothing on slavery. They should have been freed and deported.
Amen.
"Don't apologize, just give up everything you own and all of your money"