THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO THE VOTING IS BLACK PILLED QUESTION:
I'm not too proud to admit that I know I could've done a LOT more to help get Trump elected in the 2020 election. I donated what I could and I would talk to whoever I thought would listen. I posted and shared stuff online, but that was the extent of my involvement. I could've done a LOT more.
Honestly my excuse at the time was being a recent college graduate who was focused on looking for work in the midst of this coof nonsense. Also I live in a very liberal area where rioting was going on so being aggressively open about my support would've literally been physically dangerous. It seemed like all risk no reward proposition so I bitched out and pretty much did nothing. This seems like what a lot of us did. Some blame Q, some blame other stuff for a lack of tangible involvement, but how many of us have taken stock in our own share of dropping the ball?
So that's the answer to how Trump will get re-elected. I will try harder than last time and encourage each and every one of you to do the same. I'm not going to question the motives of people doing the opposite- I'm not a mind reader- but it sounds an awful lot like bitching out and doing nothing like a lot of us did.
Stop with the "We" stuff. Can you honestly say you personally couldn't have done more? I know I can't.
If you're saying that you gave 110% then give yourself a pat on the back (as most seem to be doing). I'm here for a reality check and to be honest about were I was slacking it in 2020 big time.
I could've done more. What effort I put in, I could've made earlier when it might've made more of a difference. I could've given more money. I could've given my time to the campaign itself. I could've gone to work for the campaign as I was even out of work during bulk of the 2020 election cycle.
I didn't do any of these things and it doesn't do anyone any good to dance around these obvious mistakes of mine. Certainly there is PLENTY of blame to go around if that's what you're into. In fact I suspect it will be an almost endless list leading into the midterms and then a new one that starts after those are over. It's not a good strategy because it's a bottomless pit.
The words "should be enough" is one of the classic mating calls of the loser. What should or shouldn't happen is completely irrelevant to what will happen.
We need more poll watchers and volunteers on election day. Thats how we guarantee voter security (after we hound state govt to get rid of dominion in states it is in, and prevent it and similar systems from being adopted in other states).
I would hope that anyone who believes strongly in this stuff would be willing to volunteer for these types of positions in perpetuity, or at the very least until we can verify that things are running smoothly.
Maybe that's a good place to start: a district by district breakdown of where to focus the most attention, energy, etc. If we started within swing states first and worked our way out to the reddest and bluest states this would maximize our effectiveness.
Well, I am not patting myself on the back. I underestimated the depths to which commieRATfuckers would sink to steal the election. As one who gave 110%, I still fell short because I totally thought fraud could not happen in the blatsnt, crude and unabashed manner it did last year.😠
So you were wrong in that assumption. Obviously fraud can and does happen. That doesn't mean we come to the conclusion that fighting back is pointless.
Look at how much hard work and energy people like Scott Pressler put in. I doubt he could have done any more. Look at what Mike Lindell contributed. Same story with so many others. This election was blatantly stolen and we now have an illegitimate government that was installed. No amount of additional time, effort, or money was going to prevent them from stealing it and getting away with the steal.
This statement contradicts itself in a not so subtle way. I agree Scott and Mike have done more than their "fair share" of the work. Do you see them whining? Do you see them saying it's all pointless? No. You see them doing even more and committing even more to this fight in the future. They aren't black pilled and discouraged.
I didn't put forth anywhere near Scott or Mike level effort or sacrifice. I'm not making excuses I'm taking ownership. I didn't do enough, I could've done a lot more to help. There are likely millions more like me and certainly 10's of thousands on this board here in America of voting age at any given time.
Please point out the "not so subtle" contradiction in anything that I wrote. The actions of Scott and Mike after the election are irrelevant in regards to the fact that the 2020 election was stolen and that we have an illegitimate government. In fact, I'm sure they would both agree with me.
If you feel you can do more and make a difference going forward, more power to you. If you get involved at the local level I tend to agree that you can still make a difference there, at least for the time being. My disagreement remains with your claim that you, me, Mike, Scott or anyone else outside of the higher echelons of our government and judicial system could have done anything more to prevent the steal of the election and the installation of an illegitimate government. President Trump himself couldn't prevent it, and no one worked harder and had more power and influence than he did. You couldn't possibly have done more to get President Trump reelected in 2020, because he was reelected in 2020. The results were fraudulent, the courts allowed the fraud to stand, most of the GOP allowed the fraud to stand, the military allowed the fraud to stand, and now here we are with an illegitimate government.
The contradiction is simple. Here are the basic facts:
Scott and Mike put in work both before (and after) the election
None of that effort mattered, according to you
Scott and Mike continue to put in effort and likely will in the future.
You don't agree with yourself if you are applauding Mike and Scott with one side of your mouth while telling others not to put in work (because their work won't matter) with the other. There's nothing actually magical about either Scott Pressler or Mike Lindell believe it or not. They are normal people they are just putting in extraordinary effort. They see the fraud and the BS and they aren't giving up or backing down. Mike Lindell is being sued for $1.5 billion dollars. Most of us were afraid of getting our cars keyed or even less. I say we need more people like this not less.
If we had 5 times as many Mikes and Scotts (which is still only a grand total of 10 people BTW) we either might've won or we at least might be closer to exposing it all.
Seriously, how many Scott Presslers do you think the left has? Tens of thousands is the answer. Hundreds in every major city at least. What about business leaders? Isn't pretty much every leftist businessman a mini Mike Lindell for Democratic Socialism and Progressive Green Deal nonsense? Or at least down with the fake woke posturing? Isn't pretty much every other actor and actress like Kevin Sorbo and Jon Voight? Isn't pretty much every athlete both current and former a mini Lebron James?
Hopefully you see my point. More effort than last time. A LOT more effort.
Short term, (which includes 2024) there is nothing besides trying to be there to document.
Long term you run for office or some type of relevant body and hold key positions that make determinations as to the use of such systems and ballots. That strat still assumes you can get one of those positions legitimately /have the funds to do so. Which brings us back to the black pill.
The only real answer is the military, or the lead pill. Nothing else will right this course.
How does getting involved more solve problems? You get involved, you meet like minded people, you form new organizations or join existing ones that promote what you believe in. Power in numbers and power in structure and organization.
Do something more. Be less passive. I was fairly passive I can admit in hindsight with the 2020 election despite feeling like I was doing my part. The obvious truth is I could've done more. I could've volunteered at my local elections board. I could've canvassed. I could've gone around in my neighborhood and seen if there were any older Trump voters who needed help voting. I could've done my own investigative journalism on mail in voting in my state. I could've done a lot of shit and I didn't do any of it. Chances are you are exactly the same as me or close. No shame in owning up to it and it also doesn't mean that other things aren't also to blame.
Even if you put in a solid amount of work on the Trump campaign, maybe you could've worked smarter and mobilized better. I can only speak for me.
Yes. We try harder and we get more votes next time. We campaign against the opposition so fewer people vote for their person. We also fight against their bogus ballots on signature verification and other methods, which should lower their total as well.
You do realize that two mathematicians (Dr. Shiva and Edward Solomon) have discovered the algorithms that changed votes from Trump to Biden at a rato of up to 18 Trump votes to 1 Biden vote?
Do you know they discovered that this algorithm changed votes county by county for a specific period of time, going in ALPHABETICAL ORDER of the counties? Math doesn't lie. This was a steal in many ways, from ballot stuffing to adjudication to Ruby Freeman suitcases-of-unfolded-ballots -- but the electronic steal was the biggest of all.
Videos: First three minutes of this one explain it in ELI5 format:
How do we combat THIS? We have some of the best minds fighting to get this info out there and no court will take the case. No amount of our votes can stop them if they freeze six swing states again (unprecedented before 2020) and then manufacture votes all night long to make up what they need to get their guy ahead of ours.
President Trump even called it on election night: "We don't want them to find any ballots at 4am" and that is precisely what they did.
Well if the actual steal was just them shutting down the machines and then stuffing the ballots they needed in for the rest there is an obvious answer that would actually work: we hold back a few batches as well to counter their counter. It's risky but it would actually work if this is how they are doing the steal.
Haven't you seen The Sting bro? Once you actually fully understand all the aspects of a con you can quite easily pull a separate con on your fellow con mates by taking advantage of their participation in the original con in the first place. Basically the notion being you can't cheat an honest man.
Well if we actually can pinpoint when and where and how the Democrats are going to cheat next time we can seriously fuck them once and for all.
Uh uh, sorry, without holding the State legislators' feet to the pyre, nothing will be fixed re election integrity. Trump WON the vote.
Biden's corrupt as fuck fellow commierats STOLE THE VOTE.
President Trump, and all of us are the victims of the felonious FUCKERY of 2020 wherein hundreds of demokrat criminals blatantly cheated.🖕. No Trump supporter need beat himself up for allowing evil people to steal 2020, unless we now sit on our hands and don't pester R state legislators to reinstitute free and fair elections!!!!
Nobody is saying to beat yourself up. I'm saying I know I could've done more and I suspect the same is true for you. If that statement is not true for you just disregard it, but you know I'm right in the general sense.
Without redoing everything that led to the ratshits getting away with ballotbox murder, we could not do more! The only fault, I suspect in all of us, was being too complacent in trusting in the voting system integrity. After the Nov 3 debacle, we erred in thinking those morally flacid Republican State Congresscreatures would actually investigate and rectify the criminality of their Demorat "colleagues".
It's nearly impossible to defeat the Uniparty; we would have had to protest violently, and because Trump supporters are lawful, not awful, that wasn't gonna happen. I'm so damn sad and mad, but let's focus on the FOE and not blame ourselves.
Just my opinion.
Sounds like we mostly agree on the strategy going forward. I'm saying let's not be "too complacent" next time. Work harder than last time and you'll get better results.
THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO THE VOTING IS BLACK PILLED QUESTION:
I'm not too proud to admit that I know I could've done a LOT more to help get Trump elected in the 2020 election. I donated what I could and I would talk to whoever I thought would listen. I posted and shared stuff online, but that was the extent of my involvement. I could've done a LOT more.
Honestly my excuse at the time was being a recent college graduate who was focused on looking for work in the midst of this coof nonsense. Also I live in a very liberal area where rioting was going on so being aggressively open about my support would've literally been physically dangerous. It seemed like all risk no reward proposition so I bitched out and pretty much did nothing. This seems like what a lot of us did. Some blame Q, some blame other stuff for a lack of tangible involvement, but how many of us have taken stock in our own share of dropping the ball?
So that's the answer to how Trump will get re-elected. I will try harder than last time and encourage each and every one of you to do the same. I'm not going to question the motives of people doing the opposite- I'm not a mind reader- but it sounds an awful lot like bitching out and doing nothing like a lot of us did.
We did enough to get enough votes. The problem is fraud not support.
Stop with the "We" stuff. Can you honestly say you personally couldn't have done more? I know I can't.
If you're saying that you gave 110% then give yourself a pat on the back (as most seem to be doing). I'm here for a reality check and to be honest about were I was slacking it in 2020 big time.
I could've done more. What effort I put in, I could've made earlier when it might've made more of a difference. I could've given more money. I could've given my time to the campaign itself. I could've gone to work for the campaign as I was even out of work during bulk of the 2020 election cycle.
I didn't do any of these things and it doesn't do anyone any good to dance around these obvious mistakes of mine. Certainly there is PLENTY of blame to go around if that's what you're into. In fact I suspect it will be an almost endless list leading into the midterms and then a new one that starts after those are over. It's not a good strategy because it's a bottomless pit.
“We” voted. In an honest system, that should be enough.
The words "should be enough" is one of the classic mating calls of the loser. What should or shouldn't happen is completely irrelevant to what will happen.
We need more poll watchers and volunteers on election day. Thats how we guarantee voter security (after we hound state govt to get rid of dominion in states it is in, and prevent it and similar systems from being adopted in other states).
Two very doable tasks for any one of us.
I would hope that anyone who believes strongly in this stuff would be willing to volunteer for these types of positions in perpetuity, or at the very least until we can verify that things are running smoothly.
Maybe that's a good place to start: a district by district breakdown of where to focus the most attention, energy, etc. If we started within swing states first and worked our way out to the reddest and bluest states this would maximize our effectiveness.
Well, I am not patting myself on the back. I underestimated the depths to which commieRATfuckers would sink to steal the election. As one who gave 110%, I still fell short because I totally thought fraud could not happen in the blatsnt, crude and unabashed manner it did last year.😠
So you were wrong in that assumption. Obviously fraud can and does happen. That doesn't mean we come to the conclusion that fighting back is pointless.
Look at how much hard work and energy people like Scott Pressler put in. I doubt he could have done any more. Look at what Mike Lindell contributed. Same story with so many others. This election was blatantly stolen and we now have an illegitimate government that was installed. No amount of additional time, effort, or money was going to prevent them from stealing it and getting away with the steal.
Change my mind.
This statement contradicts itself in a not so subtle way. I agree Scott and Mike have done more than their "fair share" of the work. Do you see them whining? Do you see them saying it's all pointless? No. You see them doing even more and committing even more to this fight in the future. They aren't black pilled and discouraged.
I didn't put forth anywhere near Scott or Mike level effort or sacrifice. I'm not making excuses I'm taking ownership. I didn't do enough, I could've done a lot more to help. There are likely millions more like me and certainly 10's of thousands on this board here in America of voting age at any given time.
Please point out the "not so subtle" contradiction in anything that I wrote. The actions of Scott and Mike after the election are irrelevant in regards to the fact that the 2020 election was stolen and that we have an illegitimate government. In fact, I'm sure they would both agree with me.
If you feel you can do more and make a difference going forward, more power to you. If you get involved at the local level I tend to agree that you can still make a difference there, at least for the time being. My disagreement remains with your claim that you, me, Mike, Scott or anyone else outside of the higher echelons of our government and judicial system could have done anything more to prevent the steal of the election and the installation of an illegitimate government. President Trump himself couldn't prevent it, and no one worked harder and had more power and influence than he did. You couldn't possibly have done more to get President Trump reelected in 2020, because he was reelected in 2020. The results were fraudulent, the courts allowed the fraud to stand, most of the GOP allowed the fraud to stand, the military allowed the fraud to stand, and now here we are with an illegitimate government.
The contradiction is simple. Here are the basic facts:
You don't agree with yourself if you are applauding Mike and Scott with one side of your mouth while telling others not to put in work (because their work won't matter) with the other. There's nothing actually magical about either Scott Pressler or Mike Lindell believe it or not. They are normal people they are just putting in extraordinary effort. They see the fraud and the BS and they aren't giving up or backing down. Mike Lindell is being sued for $1.5 billion dollars. Most of us were afraid of getting our cars keyed or even less. I say we need more people like this not less.
If we had 5 times as many Mikes and Scotts (which is still only a grand total of 10 people BTW) we either might've won or we at least might be closer to exposing it all.
Seriously, how many Scott Presslers do you think the left has? Tens of thousands is the answer. Hundreds in every major city at least. What about business leaders? Isn't pretty much every leftist businessman a mini Mike Lindell for Democratic Socialism and Progressive Green Deal nonsense? Or at least down with the fake woke posturing? Isn't pretty much every other actor and actress like Kevin Sorbo and Jon Voight? Isn't pretty much every athlete both current and former a mini Lebron James?
Hopefully you see my point. More effort than last time. A LOT more effort.
I like this guy.
Better tactics might have helped, I just don’t know what specifically, but political science professor Gene Sharp wrote about the tactics.
So how does that handle ballot stuffing, courts that refuse to look at evidence, and dominion/smartmatics?
Tldr there's never an answer.
Short term, (which includes 2024) there is nothing besides trying to be there to document.
Long term you run for office or some type of relevant body and hold key positions that make determinations as to the use of such systems and ballots. That strat still assumes you can get one of those positions legitimately /have the funds to do so. Which brings us back to the black pill.
The only real answer is the military, or the lead pill. Nothing else will right this course.
The steal would never have been possible without a a hell of a lot of small potatoes idiots. Think of all the unnamed Ruby Freemans of every state.
They are the enemy you should be fighting. They were the front line soldiers.
Read Gene Sharp. Those were the tactics used against us.
How does getting involved more solve problems? You get involved, you meet like minded people, you form new organizations or join existing ones that promote what you believe in. Power in numbers and power in structure and organization.
Do something more. Be less passive. I was fairly passive I can admit in hindsight with the 2020 election despite feeling like I was doing my part. The obvious truth is I could've done more. I could've volunteered at my local elections board. I could've canvassed. I could've gone around in my neighborhood and seen if there were any older Trump voters who needed help voting. I could've done my own investigative journalism on mail in voting in my state. I could've done a lot of shit and I didn't do any of it. Chances are you are exactly the same as me or close. No shame in owning up to it and it also doesn't mean that other things aren't also to blame.
Even if you put in a solid amount of work on the Trump campaign, maybe you could've worked smarter and mobilized better. I can only speak for me.
Try harder than giving Trump THE MOST VOTES IN HISTORY? Is that really your suggestion?
Yes. We try harder and we get more votes next time. We campaign against the opposition so fewer people vote for their person. We also fight against their bogus ballots on signature verification and other methods, which should lower their total as well.
That's my suggestion. Any questions?
You do realize that two mathematicians (Dr. Shiva and Edward Solomon) have discovered the algorithms that changed votes from Trump to Biden at a rato of up to 18 Trump votes to 1 Biden vote?
Do you know they discovered that this algorithm changed votes county by county for a specific period of time, going in ALPHABETICAL ORDER of the counties? Math doesn't lie. This was a steal in many ways, from ballot stuffing to adjudication to Ruby Freeman suitcases-of-unfolded-ballots -- but the electronic steal was the biggest of all.
Videos: First three minutes of this one explain it in ELI5 format:
https://2020electioncenter.com/watch?id=602702647257aa039f80514d
Dr. Shiva's testimony to Maricopa County:
https://youtu.be/cyK30x-dkgg
How do we combat THIS? We have some of the best minds fighting to get this info out there and no court will take the case. No amount of our votes can stop them if they freeze six swing states again (unprecedented before 2020) and then manufacture votes all night long to make up what they need to get their guy ahead of ours.
President Trump even called it on election night: "We don't want them to find any ballots at 4am" and that is precisely what they did.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/cheaters-president-trump-warns-4am-ballot-drops-hour-later-wisconsin-michigan-drop-300000-ballots-democrats-zero-trump/
Well if the actual steal was just them shutting down the machines and then stuffing the ballots they needed in for the rest there is an obvious answer that would actually work: we hold back a few batches as well to counter their counter. It's risky but it would actually work if this is how they are doing the steal.
Haven't you seen The Sting bro? Once you actually fully understand all the aspects of a con you can quite easily pull a separate con on your fellow con mates by taking advantage of their participation in the original con in the first place. Basically the notion being you can't cheat an honest man.
Well if we actually can pinpoint when and where and how the Democrats are going to cheat next time we can seriously fuck them once and for all.
Uh uh, sorry, without holding the State legislators' feet to the pyre, nothing will be fixed re election integrity. Trump WON the vote. Biden's corrupt as fuck fellow commierats STOLE THE VOTE. President Trump, and all of us are the victims of the felonious FUCKERY of 2020 wherein hundreds of demokrat criminals blatantly cheated.🖕. No Trump supporter need beat himself up for allowing evil people to steal 2020, unless we now sit on our hands and don't pester R state legislators to reinstitute free and fair elections!!!!
Nobody is saying to beat yourself up. I'm saying I know I could've done more and I suspect the same is true for you. If that statement is not true for you just disregard it, but you know I'm right in the general sense.
Without redoing everything that led to the ratshits getting away with ballotbox murder, we could not do more! The only fault, I suspect in all of us, was being too complacent in trusting in the voting system integrity. After the Nov 3 debacle, we erred in thinking those morally flacid Republican State Congresscreatures would actually investigate and rectify the criminality of their Demorat "colleagues". It's nearly impossible to defeat the Uniparty; we would have had to protest violently, and because Trump supporters are lawful, not awful, that wasn't gonna happen. I'm so damn sad and mad, but let's focus on the FOE and not blame ourselves. Just my opinion.
Sounds like we mostly agree on the strategy going forward. I'm saying let's not be "too complacent" next time. Work harder than last time and you'll get better results.