This statement contradicts itself in a not so subtle way. I agree Scott and Mike have done more than their "fair share" of the work. Do you see them whining? Do you see them saying it's all pointless? No. You see them doing even more and committing even more to this fight in the future. They aren't black pilled and discouraged.
I didn't put forth anywhere near Scott or Mike level effort or sacrifice. I'm not making excuses I'm taking ownership. I didn't do enough, I could've done a lot more to help. There are likely millions more like me and certainly 10's of thousands on this board here in America of voting age at any given time.
Please point out the "not so subtle" contradiction in anything that I wrote. The actions of Scott and Mike after the election are irrelevant in regards to the fact that the 2020 election was stolen and that we have an illegitimate government. In fact, I'm sure they would both agree with me.
If you feel you can do more and make a difference going forward, more power to you. If you get involved at the local level I tend to agree that you can still make a difference there, at least for the time being. My disagreement remains with your claim that you, me, Mike, Scott or anyone else outside of the higher echelons of our government and judicial system could have done anything more to prevent the steal of the election and the installation of an illegitimate government. President Trump himself couldn't prevent it, and no one worked harder and had more power and influence than he did. You couldn't possibly have done more to get President Trump reelected in 2020, because he was reelected in 2020. The results were fraudulent, the courts allowed the fraud to stand, most of the GOP allowed the fraud to stand, the military allowed the fraud to stand, and now here we are with an illegitimate government.
The contradiction is simple. Here are the basic facts:
Scott and Mike put in work both before (and after) the election
None of that effort mattered, according to you
Scott and Mike continue to put in effort and likely will in the future.
You don't agree with yourself if you are applauding Mike and Scott with one side of your mouth while telling others not to put in work (because their work won't matter) with the other. There's nothing actually magical about either Scott Pressler or Mike Lindell believe it or not. They are normal people they are just putting in extraordinary effort. They see the fraud and the BS and they aren't giving up or backing down. Mike Lindell is being sued for $1.5 billion dollars. Most of us were afraid of getting our cars keyed or even less. I say we need more people like this not less.
If we had 5 times as many Mikes and Scotts (which is still only a grand total of 10 people BTW) we either might've won or we at least might be closer to exposing it all.
Seriously, how many Scott Presslers do you think the left has? Tens of thousands is the answer. Hundreds in every major city at least. What about business leaders? Isn't pretty much every leftist businessman a mini Mike Lindell for Democratic Socialism and Progressive Green Deal nonsense? Or at least down with the fake woke posturing? Isn't pretty much every other actor and actress like Kevin Sorbo and Jon Voight? Isn't pretty much every athlete both current and former a mini Lebron James?
Hopefully you see my point. More effort than last time. A LOT more effort.
You don't agree with yourself if you are applauding Mike and Scott with one side of your mouth while telling others not to put in work (because their work won't matter) with the other.
This is a straw man argument, and you still have not pointed out any contradiction in my statements. I never made any statement "telling others not to put in work", in fact, in my last reply I specifically said "more power to you" regarding doing more going forward, and even agreed that you can probably make a difference at the local level.
We can agree to disagree here, but let's do so honestly.
If we had 5 times as many Mikes and Scotts (which is still only a grand total of 10 people BTW) we either might've won or we at least might be closer to exposing it all.
What do you base this on? We did win. The election was stolen. The copious evidence of fraud was suppressed and is still being suppressed. Having more people like Mike and Scott would not have changed any of that.
You will get no argument from me regarding the fact that the Left is far more politically organized and has far more activists than their opponents. This has been true for a long time. I deal with this fact daily in my own involvement with local politics.
Ok. I'll take you at your word on what you meant regarding Scott and Mike. It sounded like you were saying that no amount of effort can overcome a rigged election but I guess I was wrong. My apologies, certainly wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.
We did win. The election was stolen.
This is actually our core disagreement. I say we lost and the election was stolen.
By holding on to that symbolic/moral win as you see it your psyche can't seem to circle the square of never receiving the appropriate spoils. Whereas a person in my position can operate from righteousness with his eyes primarily on the future, a person in your position is actually out for revenge or retribution first.
The Democrats said we stole the 2016 election. I don't recall any of them taking any black pills. If anything they immediately got to work mobilizing against Trump only to double down at each and every possible opportunity. We don't have to do what they did but we can glean a pretty obvious lesson about anger and frustration being a tool and a motivator towards action.
This statement contradicts itself in a not so subtle way. I agree Scott and Mike have done more than their "fair share" of the work. Do you see them whining? Do you see them saying it's all pointless? No. You see them doing even more and committing even more to this fight in the future. They aren't black pilled and discouraged.
I didn't put forth anywhere near Scott or Mike level effort or sacrifice. I'm not making excuses I'm taking ownership. I didn't do enough, I could've done a lot more to help. There are likely millions more like me and certainly 10's of thousands on this board here in America of voting age at any given time.
Please point out the "not so subtle" contradiction in anything that I wrote. The actions of Scott and Mike after the election are irrelevant in regards to the fact that the 2020 election was stolen and that we have an illegitimate government. In fact, I'm sure they would both agree with me.
If you feel you can do more and make a difference going forward, more power to you. If you get involved at the local level I tend to agree that you can still make a difference there, at least for the time being. My disagreement remains with your claim that you, me, Mike, Scott or anyone else outside of the higher echelons of our government and judicial system could have done anything more to prevent the steal of the election and the installation of an illegitimate government. President Trump himself couldn't prevent it, and no one worked harder and had more power and influence than he did. You couldn't possibly have done more to get President Trump reelected in 2020, because he was reelected in 2020. The results were fraudulent, the courts allowed the fraud to stand, most of the GOP allowed the fraud to stand, the military allowed the fraud to stand, and now here we are with an illegitimate government.
The contradiction is simple. Here are the basic facts:
You don't agree with yourself if you are applauding Mike and Scott with one side of your mouth while telling others not to put in work (because their work won't matter) with the other. There's nothing actually magical about either Scott Pressler or Mike Lindell believe it or not. They are normal people they are just putting in extraordinary effort. They see the fraud and the BS and they aren't giving up or backing down. Mike Lindell is being sued for $1.5 billion dollars. Most of us were afraid of getting our cars keyed or even less. I say we need more people like this not less.
If we had 5 times as many Mikes and Scotts (which is still only a grand total of 10 people BTW) we either might've won or we at least might be closer to exposing it all.
Seriously, how many Scott Presslers do you think the left has? Tens of thousands is the answer. Hundreds in every major city at least. What about business leaders? Isn't pretty much every leftist businessman a mini Mike Lindell for Democratic Socialism and Progressive Green Deal nonsense? Or at least down with the fake woke posturing? Isn't pretty much every other actor and actress like Kevin Sorbo and Jon Voight? Isn't pretty much every athlete both current and former a mini Lebron James?
Hopefully you see my point. More effort than last time. A LOT more effort.
This is a straw man argument, and you still have not pointed out any contradiction in my statements. I never made any statement "telling others not to put in work", in fact, in my last reply I specifically said "more power to you" regarding doing more going forward, and even agreed that you can probably make a difference at the local level.
We can agree to disagree here, but let's do so honestly.
What do you base this on? We did win. The election was stolen. The copious evidence of fraud was suppressed and is still being suppressed. Having more people like Mike and Scott would not have changed any of that.
You will get no argument from me regarding the fact that the Left is far more politically organized and has far more activists than their opponents. This has been true for a long time. I deal with this fact daily in my own involvement with local politics.
Ok. I'll take you at your word on what you meant regarding Scott and Mike. It sounded like you were saying that no amount of effort can overcome a rigged election but I guess I was wrong. My apologies, certainly wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.
This is actually our core disagreement. I say we lost and the election was stolen.
By holding on to that symbolic/moral win as you see it your psyche can't seem to circle the square of never receiving the appropriate spoils. Whereas a person in my position can operate from righteousness with his eyes primarily on the future, a person in your position is actually out for revenge or retribution first.
The Democrats said we stole the 2016 election. I don't recall any of them taking any black pills. If anything they immediately got to work mobilizing against Trump only to double down at each and every possible opportunity. We don't have to do what they did but we can glean a pretty obvious lesson about anger and frustration being a tool and a motivator towards action.
I like this guy.