The point Malice is making here is that both progressives and conservatives in our government are driving the same direction (towards more government power) the only good thing to say about the conservatives is that they move in that direction slower.
Dave Smith thinks Trump was a horrible president and encourages you waste your vote on the fart sniffing libertarian. Blames him for yemen saying he's just as culpable as obummer. If all libertarians voted for trump it would have been harder for them to cheat. Dave Smith can't see the forest for the trees.
It’s his contrarian nature to distance himself from Trump. He lists 97 out of 100 things he agrees with Trump on but the 3 things he disagrees with Trump means he could never vote for Trump. It’s pretty frustrating but I don’t mind Dave.
You about summed up the biggest problem with the libertarian party, they can agree with Trump on 97 out of a hundred things, but throw away their vote on the libertarian candidate nobody knows and let the candidate that goes against 95% of their platfotm win because at least they're not voting Republican or Democrat
When I read the words, 'libertarian,' my brain reads it as, 'moderate democrat.'
Because that is who they are. No standards except. I don't know anything about what I really believe, give me my weed and leave me alone. Feel free to smash the dislike button but it is true.
Yup, he probably agrees with Trump on more issues than most of the people who voted for Trump. He’s either a purist or contrarian but is throwing away his vote like every other libertarian. He’s a smart dude, he just doesn’t realize by voting libertarian he’s only helping the democrats.
I totally did something similar. I voted for Gary Johnson before his 'don't call them illegals they don't like that.. call them undocumented' but it was because Romney sided with Democrats on 97 out of 100 things :P
I dunno, I'm a Libertarian, but I'm not a stupid one. As soon as I get my citizenship, hopefully within the next year if all goes well, I will be voting Republican - unless it's a known RINO. Then, if there's a Libertarian option, I'll look at it. I'm 100% Trump and I really don't understand the issue.
Who? I can't even search for that name it's so generic
and for the record I learned my lesson after Gary Johnson sold out, and voted for Trump both times - we have to realize we agree more than we disagree and that one political ideology doesn't fit all at all levels of governance.
As a former Libertarian, I agree. Great people, bad practical thinkers, useless party leadership.
The Founding Fathers showed us the way to un-f*ck this situation, and a big part of this is going back to Federalism. The States need to regain their sovereignty from the Federal Gov't.
Agree. All he did was bitch and moan and tweet, and when it came down to it, he folded like a cheap suit. He even got owned by Twitter and Facebook. Now they've effectively silenced him. What was the fucking plan that I was supposed to trust? I really want to know.
You have previously argued for no government ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all. Are you seeking to be a controlled opposition pied piper leading people towards wrong identification of the issues and causes as well as possible solutions and approaches to handling, fixing, etc. things, and thereby weakening and neutralizing the opposition? Instead of correctly identifying the issues and causes?
How is no government a solution in any way? And for the much more realistic and meaningful approach of less government, that approach merely decreases and limits some of the negative consequences of government without cleaning up and handling the issues, and is thus not at all sufficient in an of itself (though, depending on the case, less government (but not no government .........) can indeed be very helpful and necessary).
(and the account NullifyAndSecede as per 2nd of March, 2021, 41 days old, has more than 20K post points and 15K comment points... mass-spamming quotations among other things).
I do believe in no government, but I'm also willing to compromise.
I think government is a bigger problem and danger in itself than any of the dangers it purports to solve, and that it is a fundamentally immoral institution.
I'm seeking to lead people towards the correct identification of the causes of our ills and appropriate solutions (the reduction if not elimination of government)
At the Federal level at least I think there is a lot of support here for totally eliminating or disassociating from it.
There is not a single abolitionist who would not grab a feasible method, or a gradual gain, if it came his way. The difference is that the abolitionist always holds high the banner of his ultimate goal, never hides his basic principles, and wishes to get to his goal as fast as humanly possible. Hence, while the abolitionist will accept a gradual step in the right direction if that is all that he can achieve, he always accepts it grudgingly, as merely a first step toward a goal which he always keeps blazingly clear. The abolitionist is a "button pusher" who would blister his thumb pushing a button that would abolish the State immediately, if such a button existed. But the abolitionist also knows that alas, such a button does not exist, and that he will take a bit of the loaf if necessary — while always preferring the whole loaf if he can achieve it.
So you continue having no sincerity at all whatsoever, and you do not believe your own claims and arguments at all whatsoever. You lie, evade, downplay, story tell, distract, manipulate, etc. to the extreme, and you know that well. And you here seek among other aspects to avoid having to defend your argument of no government that you do not believe in yourself at all. You really are a controlled opposition pied piper shill. Are you paid to shill?
(and you even come with a quotation that is meant to direct and instill in people on how and what they should think and how they should act instead of encouraging people to seek to figure things out for themselves......................... which fits incredibly well with you seeking to be a controlled opposition pied piper).
You have previously argued for no government ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all.
How is no government a solution in any way? And for the much more realistic and meaningful approach of less government, that approach merely decreases and limits some of the negative consequences of government without cleaning up and handling the issues, and is thus not at all sufficient in an of itself (though, depending on the case, less government (but not no government .........) can indeed be very helpful and necessary).
(and the account NullifyAndSecede as per 2nd of March, 2021, 41 days old, has more than 20K post points and 15K comment points... mass-spamming quotations among other things).
EDIT: Forgot to include this part given that it is incredibly, extremely very much relevant still:
And reg. your shilling, you seem to very much seek to lead people towards wrong identification of the issues and causes as well as possible solutions and approaches to handling, fixing, etc. things, and thereby weakening and neutralizing the opposition. Instead of correctly identifying the issues and causes.
EDIT (again):
And you even succeed in distracting from correct identification of the issues and causes by beginning to write about "government vs. the issues it seeks to solve", when many major, fundamental problems and causes as such have nothing to do with "government pros/cons", which you are fully aware of, shill.
You have previously argued for no government ... without any meaningful or sincere alternatives
There is nothing I can say to prove I'm sincere if you don't believe me so I'm not going to bother.
But I am going to point out that if you view government as fundamentally immoral (as I do) then finding an alternative is not something you see as a priority so much as excising that cancer.
To me your perspective is akin to asking who will pick the cotton if we abolish slavery.
The fact that you may presently benefit from the immoral institution of government is not in itself a justification for continuing such an immoral practice.
You have no right to interfere with my life directly or through the institution you refer to as government, and the opposite is also true. I want to leave you alone and I want you to leave me alone.
You're welcome to keep casting aspersions on my motives, but don't be surprised if I don't bother replying.
If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry
The point Malice is making here is that both progressives and conservatives in our government are driving the same direction (towards more government power) the only good thing to say about the conservatives is that they move in that direction slower.
Dave Smith thinks Trump was a horrible president and encourages you waste your vote on the fart sniffing libertarian. Blames him for yemen saying he's just as culpable as obummer. If all libertarians voted for trump it would have been harder for them to cheat. Dave Smith can't see the forest for the trees.
It’s his contrarian nature to distance himself from Trump. He lists 97 out of 100 things he agrees with Trump on but the 3 things he disagrees with Trump means he could never vote for Trump. It’s pretty frustrating but I don’t mind Dave.
You about summed up the biggest problem with the libertarian party, they can agree with Trump on 97 out of a hundred things, but throw away their vote on the libertarian candidate nobody knows and let the candidate that goes against 95% of their platfotm win because at least they're not voting Republican or Democrat
I'm happy to vote for Republicans that actually aim to repeal shit.
The Republicans never do that, at best they talk a good game (See: Obamacare) and then cuck out once they get in power.
And when someone comes around who might actually be different (like Ron Paul or Trump) they actively try to fuck them over.
When I read the words, 'libertarian,' my brain reads it as, 'moderate democrat.'
Because that is who they are. No standards except. I don't know anything about what I really believe, give me my weed and leave me alone. Feel free to smash the dislike button but it is true.
Yup, he probably agrees with Trump on more issues than most of the people who voted for Trump. He’s either a purist or contrarian but is throwing away his vote like every other libertarian. He’s a smart dude, he just doesn’t realize by voting libertarian he’s only helping the democrats.
I totally did something similar. I voted for Gary Johnson before his 'don't call them illegals they don't like that.. call them undocumented' but it was because Romney sided with Democrats on 97 out of 100 things :P
I dunno, I'm a Libertarian, but I'm not a stupid one. As soon as I get my citizenship, hopefully within the next year if all goes well, I will be voting Republican - unless it's a known RINO. Then, if there's a Libertarian option, I'll look at it. I'm 100% Trump and I really don't understand the issue.
It's because these soft cocksuckers don't want to get disinvited from the hip cocktail parties.
Fucking ridiculous that Dave Smith is being quoted and discussed, he’s a fucking D list comedian
Who? I can't even search for that name it's so generic
and for the record I learned my lesson after Gary Johnson sold out, and voted for Trump both times - we have to realize we agree more than we disagree and that one political ideology doesn't fit all at all levels of governance.
As a former Libertarian, I agree. Great people, bad practical thinkers, useless party leadership.
The Founding Fathers showed us the way to un-f*ck this situation, and a big part of this is going back to Federalism. The States need to regain their sovereignty from the Federal Gov't.
DeSantis is showing the way.
Dave Smith is very adamant that "Donald Trump went out like a bitch."
Exact quote.
So take that as you will.
Language is harsh, but... he's not wrong.
Agree. All he did was bitch and moan and tweet, and when it came down to it, he folded like a cheap suit. He even got owned by Twitter and Facebook. Now they've effectively silenced him. What was the fucking plan that I was supposed to trust? I really want to know.
I'd regrettably agree with the sentiment although not the language used or harshness.
And the f Trump had done a fascism as so many wanted Dave would have called him the 2nd Hitler and called out the 666 Gorrilion
So... we shouldn't roll back the state?
No, of course not.
He's Jewish isn't he
Jesus? Yes
Dave Smith, I'm talking about Dave Smith.
Please don't compare a but pumper like Dave to Jesus. Thanks
Except those aren't real conservatives, not even close. RINOs are closer to classical liberals than conservatives.
Libertarianism is progressivism driving 10 below the speed limit and on an alternate path. Credit me with that quote.
I can only assume that any grown man that supports libertarianism these days is a complete degenerate.
Libertarianism is:
Vulnerable to the absolute worst excesses of progressivism.
Wilfully ignorant of the gross inequity between the races of humanity (who are now all bundled together).
Wilfully ignorant of the immense power of ANY collective against the individual.
It'd be nice to have a tiny government, but humanity in its current form can't possibly achieve it. It'd immediately sink under crime and corruption.
Please elaborate on your first two points.
You have previously argued for no government ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all. Are you seeking to be a controlled opposition pied piper leading people towards wrong identification of the issues and causes as well as possible solutions and approaches to handling, fixing, etc. things, and thereby weakening and neutralizing the opposition? Instead of correctly identifying the issues and causes?
How is no government a solution in any way? And for the much more realistic and meaningful approach of less government, that approach merely decreases and limits some of the negative consequences of government without cleaning up and handling the issues, and is thus not at all sufficient in an of itself (though, depending on the case, less government (but not no government .........) can indeed be very helpful and necessary).
(and the account NullifyAndSecede as per 2nd of March, 2021, 41 days old, has more than 20K post points and 15K comment points... mass-spamming quotations among other things).
I do believe in no government, but I'm also willing to compromise.
I think government is a bigger problem and danger in itself than any of the dangers it purports to solve, and that it is a fundamentally immoral institution.
I'm seeking to lead people towards the correct identification of the causes of our ills and appropriate solutions (the reduction if not elimination of government)
At the Federal level at least I think there is a lot of support here for totally eliminating or disassociating from it.
So you continue having no sincerity at all whatsoever, and you do not believe your own claims and arguments at all whatsoever. You lie, evade, downplay, story tell, distract, manipulate, etc. to the extreme, and you know that well. And you here seek among other aspects to avoid having to defend your argument of no government that you do not believe in yourself at all. You really are a controlled opposition pied piper shill. Are you paid to shill?
(and you even come with a quotation that is meant to direct and instill in people on how and what they should think and how they should act instead of encouraging people to seek to figure things out for themselves......................... which fits incredibly well with you seeking to be a controlled opposition pied piper).
Again, since it is still fully relevant (from https://patriots.win/p/12hkTkUVxU/x/c/4Dx6X7guNu9 ):
You have previously argued for no government ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all.
How is no government a solution in any way? And for the much more realistic and meaningful approach of less government, that approach merely decreases and limits some of the negative consequences of government without cleaning up and handling the issues, and is thus not at all sufficient in an of itself (though, depending on the case, less government (but not no government .........) can indeed be very helpful and necessary).
(and the account NullifyAndSecede as per 2nd of March, 2021, 41 days old, has more than 20K post points and 15K comment points... mass-spamming quotations among other things).
EDIT: Forgot to include this part given that it is incredibly, extremely very much relevant still:
And reg. your shilling, you seem to very much seek to lead people towards wrong identification of the issues and causes as well as possible solutions and approaches to handling, fixing, etc. things, and thereby weakening and neutralizing the opposition. Instead of correctly identifying the issues and causes.
EDIT (again):
And you even succeed in distracting from correct identification of the issues and causes by beginning to write about "government vs. the issues it seeks to solve", when many major, fundamental problems and causes as such have nothing to do with "government pros/cons", which you are fully aware of, shill.
There is nothing I can say to prove I'm sincere if you don't believe me so I'm not going to bother.
But I am going to point out that if you view government as fundamentally immoral (as I do) then finding an alternative is not something you see as a priority so much as excising that cancer.
To me your perspective is akin to asking who will pick the cotton if we abolish slavery.
The fact that you may presently benefit from the immoral institution of government is not in itself a justification for continuing such an immoral practice.
You have no right to interfere with my life directly or through the institution you refer to as government, and the opposite is also true. I want to leave you alone and I want you to leave me alone.
You're welcome to keep casting aspersions on my motives, but don't be surprised if I don't bother replying.