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AmericanChevalier 77 points ago +80 / -3

Only God can get us through this.

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NullifyAndSecede 13 points ago +16 / -3

The other gods people claim to believe in, and the churches they attend, are now, by comparison, little more than empty rituals and half-heartedly parroted superstitions. When it comes to their everyday lives, the god that people actually pray to, to save them from misfortune, to smite their enemies, and to shower them with blessings, is “government.” It is “government” whose commandments the people most often respect and obey, Whenever a conflict arises between “government” and the teachings of the lesser gods – such as “pay your fair share” (taxation) versus “Thou shalt not steal,” or “duty to country” (military service) versus “Thou shalt not murder”– the commands of “government” supersede all the teachings of the other religions.

― Larken Rose

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AmericanChevalier 18 points ago +18 / -0

That isn't what I meant.

What I was attempting to denote, was only God, who made heaven and Earth can save us now.

Nothing else.

But I agree, Government is God to some people.

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NullifyAndSecede 24 points ago +24 / -0

I get you, what I was getting at here is that government has replaced god for the majority of the populace, and that's a bad thing.

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AmericanChevalier 11 points ago +11 / -0

I agree infinity percent.

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FrmrAmericanRepublic 6 points ago +6 / -0

The increase in statists really is starting to bother the shit out of me.

They just automagically fill in the blank for any problem with govt programs or the belief that the govt will bail them out somehow.

Its like relying on GPS and doing exactly what it says, even if it tells you to drive into a lake.

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CelesteD 10 points ago +10 / -0

There is a new cult of science too. But only if it backs up your ridiculous claims.

(in general, not you specifically)

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MAGAforDAYZ 9 points ago +9 / -0

fake science

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digitalher0 2 points ago +2 / -0

If people don't repent of their sins and turn to Jesus with their whole hearts this Nation will be destroyed. Do you see a lot of repentance currently happening in the USA? I do not, people do not hurt enough to let go of themselves and give their lives to Jesus but they will.

The amount of pain and evil that's about to be thrust upon the American people will cause men's hearts to fail them.

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Ben45 13 points ago +13 / -0

Thanks, FDR.

The increase in atheism and the suppression of religion has been the #1 factor in leading society to where it is today, imo.

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MAGAforDAYZ 4 points ago +4 / -0

I agree. America was so unique due to the freedom of religion. It is our first Amendment. We are one Nation under God.

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War_Hamster 2 points ago +2 / -0

It precedes FDR, but he played his part.

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OnlyCaleb -3 points ago +4 / -7

Taxation is not equivalent to stealing. When the Pharisees asked whether they should pay money to the roman government in order to trip Him up, Jesus asked them who's picture was engraved on the coin? When they answered Caeser, He said, then render to Caeser what is Caeser's and to God what is God's.

Jesus called a centuriun that He met at one point someone who had more faith than anyone He met in Israel. He didn't rebuke him for being in the army. In fact God acted as commander in many cases for the Hebrew army throughout the Old Testament. Death in battle is not murder. In fact the Old Testament has many laws about the proper procedures for putting people to death for certain crimes. If all killing was equivalent to murder, then that would mean God was commanding them to sin, which isn't the case.

Two more points. Paul uses the example of being a loyal soldier as an analogy for being a loyal servant of God. If being a soldier is wrong and equivalent to being a murderer, then that would be a pretty odd analogy for him to use.

Finally, the Bible commands us to obey the government in all ways, excluding the ways that go against God and His commands.

Take the masks for instance. I find the masks to be bullcrap. I think the virus is the most overblown thing in the world. If I wasn't a Christian, I would forego the mask mandate because I'm rebellious and anti-authoritarian by nature.

But after prayer and reflecting I realized a couple things. There's nothing inherently sinful about masks and the government has told me to wear it. And at first I thought, but the mandate is based on lies, but then I realized, almost all laws are based at least partially on lies and agendas, but as long as they are not inherently immoral, I'm bound as a Christian to follow them because it shows the world that I'm willing to law down my own will and life just as Jesus layed down His own will and life. If and when the government demands that I call a man a woman and a woman a man, I refuse because it goes against the truth that God has said, and it falls into calling good evil and evil good for instance. The masks don't fall into that.

The romans were also wrong to be occupying Israel, but God still had them to pay tax because paying tax itself isn't sinful.

So sorry for the huge wall of text, but I just felt I had to correct where that quote is astray from Christian teaching.

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War_Hamster 8 points ago +8 / -0

When an entity takes your possessions through coercion and the unstated threat of violence, it is a crime.

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cantsigninanymore 3 points ago +3 / -0

Caleb is a retard and has no idea what he is talking about.

First off this quote here:

"Taxation is not equivalent to stealing. When the Pharisees asked whether they should pay money to the roman government in order to trip Him up, Jesus asked them who's picture was engraved on the coin? When they answered Caeser, He said, then render to Caeser what is Caeser's and to God what is God's."

Yeah again. Caleb has no idea what is he talking about. The caesar at the time was corrupt and narcisstic (shocker I know) and minted his own coins with his likeness on them. These were to be used as tribute to him because he considered himself a god. It really has nothing to do with taxation and more with the Pharisees trying to trap the Son of God but being (surprise!) outsmarted.

Finally, the Bible commands us to obey the government in all ways, excluding the ways that go against God and His commands.

Pretty sure our "government" i.e. corrupt assholes who "run" it have been evil twats for decades if not more.

There's nothing inherently sinful about masks and the government has told me to wear it. And at first I thought, but the mandate is based on lies, but then I realized, almost all laws are based at least partially on lies and agendas, but as long as they are not inherently immoral, I'm bound as a Christian to follow them because it shows the world that I'm willing to law down my own will and life just as Jesus layed down His own will and life

Jesus laid down his life to pay for our sins even though He did not deserve it and we did and do. You "laying down" your life for God is one thing. "Laying down" your life for a corrupt government AND helping to enforce a blatant lie is not Christian like behavior.

It is not truthful and helping to spread a spirit of fear is NOT Christian like either.

The romans were also wrong to be occupying Israel, but God still had them to pay tax because paying tax itself isn't sinful.

I already debunked your "tax" thing. But to add to it that a certain disciple was a sinful cheating tax collector who STOPPED doing it. Reasonable taxes are one thing, fleecing and outright stealing is another.

So sorry for the huge wall of text, but I just felt I had to correct where that quote is astray from Christian teaching.

You literally need to shut the fuck up because you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. You are giving people erroneous information on Christianity. And you are being a fucking douche (last line) about it. Knock it off. Go read more and post less.

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OnlyCaleb -3 points ago +2 / -5

Is slavery wrong? Because Paul says that if you are a slave, be obedient to your master, and if you are a master, then be kind to your slave, because both of you, assuming their Christian, their true master is Jesus.

Paul was not calling slavery a good thing, but what he was saying is there are moral ways to be a slave and immoral ways. Jesus is not primarily concerned with this kingdom. He was and is primarily concerned with the kingdom of heaven.

In the same way, the government system at any given time is immoral in many different ways. In this way we are essentially slaves to government, because in the same way a slave is bound to do certain things under the threat of violence, so is a citizen. And in the same way as there are moral ways to be a slave and immoral ways, there's also moral ways to be a citizen and immoral ways.

To say that the Bible's true when it says to obey the government, except in the cases where it violates your own sense of integrity, is to essentially say it means nothing at all. That would say that all laws should be broken based on your own moral understandings. That's saying someone should smoke weed as long as they're a libertarian and believe that it's less harmful than pharmaceutical drugs. It's saying that police shouldn't be obeyed as long as we know the corruption that the police are involved in. Either the Bible means something or it means nothing in this case.

Most laws violate our sensibilities to one degree or another, especially when a country has abandoned Christian values. When the Bible wrote to obey the government it was writing to an audience throughout human history that for the most-part was under the rule of anti-Christian governments. America has been a fluke in that for a time it valued Christian teachings. So we don't disobey laws simply because they violate our sensibilities even as Christians. We only disobey them when they violate God's law.

Finally, let's say that the masks are totally evil, they are far less evil than a government beating and killing Christians. And yet for all the evil that is essentially persecuting Jesus himself, we are commanded to lay down our lives and be prepared to die for the gospel at the hands of evil men, in the same way Jesus was. Paul was wrongfully beaten, but he took it even when he could of stopped it short by simply stating that he was a roman. But he knew that the gospel was more important than his own sensibilities and comfort.

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NullifyAndSecede 5 points ago +5 / -0

in order to trip Him up,

This is a key bit of the "Render unto Caesar" story that most people miss. Jesus responded in a way that led the Pharisees to believe he answered in the legal way when indeed his answer was one that could be interpreted secularly OR biblically. If they were trying to trip him up but he believed in taxation he could have just said "yes"

Psalm 24 says

The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

If you still believe that justification for taxation, it should be clear that the taxation of goods and services that the government did not create is not moral. Yet if you live your life free from Caesar's currency (say with Bitcoin or Gold) Caesar will still demand his tribute in dollars.

Regarding war, sure some wars are justifiable, including our war for independence from Britain, but aggressive war as we so often fight to day very much is murder.

Now I do think you can make a biblical case that paying taxes is what Jesus would do (Resist not evil) but not that taxation itself is a moral act.

tl;dr it's not necessarily a sin to pay taxes, but i think it very much is a sin to collect them or advocate for them.

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OnlyCaleb -3 points ago +2 / -5

Yes the ones collecting taxes are often committing sin especially depending on the amount and the degree of extortion. That's why it made a note to say that Jesus dined with tax collectors and sinners. The people paying the taxes were not committing a sin by doing so, but often those collecting taxes are sinning.

If a government takes my taxes and spends it on funding government sponsored pornography (strange scenario, but I wouldn't put it past places like Sweden) the government is acting very sinful, but the citizen is not being sinful by lawfully paying the tax. The government is morally wrong for using the taxes for immorality, but the citizen would be morally wrong for not paying the taxes assuming it's not labelled as a "pay for pornography" tax. If it were a "pay for pornography" tax, then I'm pretty sure the citizen should not pay it, but if it's just a general tax, the citizen pays it and at that point any immorality or corruption that the government would do at that point is on their heads, not the citizens.

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somercet 3 points ago +3 / -0

Taxation is not equivalent to stealing.

Well, it's a matter of degree, isn't it?

I mean, a mugging is a mugging, and someone B&E'ing your house and taking everything of value down to your saintly mother's wedding ring is burglary, regardless of how much they took.

But when it comes to taxation, it takes a moment's thought to realize that when the politicians say, let us tax the rich to pay the poor, and then tax half of all the working class make, but return to them only a few pennies for each dollar, then that is theft by fraud, and should never be tolerated.

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Ben45 8 points ago +8 / -0

He will get us through this. He gave us the strength, determination, and resolve to make America better than ever before.

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comakevin76 2 points ago +2 / -0

I concur.

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Uruke -1 points ago +1 / -2

And if he doesn't will you still pray to him?

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AmericanChevalier 2 points ago +3 / -1

I know him, he has been good to me. If nothing happens, it's because men fail, God uses men.

And sometimes he intervenes, to save humanity from destruction specifically.

If nothing happens, then praise God. The end is near, and this wicked world will be no more.

If the entire world goes to hell, I know God will be there, right beside me, leading and guiding me. Even if men fail, he never will.

God is good, and I will never forget that, in my life, or in history. This country's existence is a miracle, and I am grateful to live in it.

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Uruke 1 point ago +1 / -0

Whatever prevents you from being terrified of death.

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AmericanChevalier 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not afraid of dying, Heaven isn't a man made concept to prevent us from fearing death. I just don't fear death, because I know God, and I know his promises are true. I've seen them, his blessing and goodness to me is genuine.

I'd urge you to find out for yourself, if not, then I cannot convince you either way.

We will all die someday, that is undeniable, when that day comes, I cannot wait. Because I'll meet my creator.

But until then, I'm here on Earth to carry out his purpose for my life.

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cantsigninanymore 2 points ago +2 / -0

God is cool. Should get to know more about Him.

Seriously.