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40-More-Years 38 points ago +60 / -22

Yeah, I have absolutely no sympathy for tyrant protectors. As far as I’m concerned this is just a little karma, same as them sleeping on the floor. A certain saving about you get what you fucking deserve comes to mind here.

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TheSleepingPresident 54 points ago +60 / -6

After you enlist, any stand you make against your superiors will be a life altering decision that will stay with you long after the cause is gone. These guys didn’t sign up to protect an illegitimate presidency.

Our states and governors should be bringing these guys home.

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Red37 37 points ago +42 / -5

Agree. The governors are to blame for this.

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MegoThor 16 points ago +23 / -7

These guys didn’t sign up to protect an illegitimate presidency.

And yet, there they are.

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We_Are_Inevitable 12 points ago +12 / -0

They were sent there by governors. You don't get to voluntarily decline orders.

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MegoThor 6 points ago +7 / -1

Blue state governors are as illegitimate as Pedo Joe.

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phandaal 10 points ago +10 / -0

Right now, they're stuck. They can't quit until their term of enlistment is up or the MPs will come and drag them back for a court martial.

But once they have the opportunity to get out, they should. Plenty of us did that after the endless wars in the ME.

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Ballind 5 points ago +24 / -19

Perhaps they should've thought about their stance on treason harder before taking the oath and our money

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ShampocalypseWOW 17 points ago +20 / -3

They're not the ones who get to define who is a traitor and who is not, so again, criticizing them is unfair. Except for the ones who voted for Biden. They deserve their fate.

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TheSleepingPresident 10 points ago +11 / -1

They took the oath long before any of this happened. There wasn't a recruitment poster out there saying "Help Turn DC into a Communist Fortress. Would you like to know more?"

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ShampocalypseWOW 21 points ago +22 / -1

They're literally slave soldiers at this point. If they dare to question anything about what they're being made to do they will have their lives ruined and possibly face jail time. None of them actually signed up under Biden (though any that reenlisted while there deserve what they're getting, but that can't be many of them). I'd imagine most are not going to re-up after this experience.

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yellowfish 1 point ago +2 / -1

Most are lost little children who have no idea what they're doing. They just see the benefits and are attracted like moths to the flame. And that makes them good soldiers. It's better if most of them never question what they're being used for. It'd be harder to use them if they did. And they're certainly not going to understand or accept the reality I just told you, so it's better to keep them in the dark, throw a bit of money and some medals at them, and tell them they did good so they can die happy, either on some far away battlefield or at home when they're old

That's some pretty cynical and ....I don't even have the words for it. Pretty fucked up though.

I wish more people had served so I did not have to read tripe like this.

Most troops are good people and trying to better themselves. Some even join out of gasP patriotism. Regardless of motivation THEY signed on the dotted line when so very many of you clearly have not.

This does not mean we are better than you. Nor does it mean we want our asses kissed (although a small percentage of "those" type exists). We just want to be left alone and not shit on. Not much to ask for.

I am a vet and after was a firefighter/medic. What have you guys done to help your community or anyone?

The sheer amount of anger and blatantly wrong information posted here is insulting to troops from Valley Forge to current day. Be angry at the upper brass for sure. E-3 Lopez has zero control over anything.

They enlist to get money

I laughed so hard at this. thank you for that. This is what I am talking about. Too many people do not understand how things work.

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ShampocalypseWOW 1 point ago +1 / -0

Did you know that I'm currently in the military and am speaking from my experience and first-hand observations?

I am a vet

Clearly not a recent one. You have no idea what the Obama years have done to the military. Hell, the Bush years, too.

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ShampocalypseWOW 1 point ago +1 / -0

Killing people in the Middle East who pose zero threat to your home = heroes.

There's something you fundamentally don't get about the US, the source of our power, and the world as a whole. And that's OK, because most people don't get it. It's not taught to people because it's not some highfalutin ideal that we like to pretend we have. It's raw control. The global economy? That's the US economy. We literally own the whole world economy. Everywhere business is done, it's done according to our rules on the playing field we created and that we manage. So why is a conflict in the Middle East an issue we should take an interest in? Because it threatens either the system directly or the stability of the system. That can't be allowed because instability breeds more instability. Like a crack in a window: you have to address the issue immediately so that it doesn't spread and shatter. How do we do that? With old fashioned control. Reset the local playing field, set it in the right direction, and we're back to normal. That is what drives the US economy.

Being part of the political theatre of people who pose an existential threat to your home = blameless grunts.

Sure, but knowing now what I just told you, would you sacrifice our nation's power just to avoid taking part in conflict or looking bad? Would the trade off be worth it? Because nature abhors a power vacuum, and when you're out of power you naturally have no say over who comes INTO power or what they do with it. Could be China. Do you want that? Or is the game we've been playing preferable, albeit unsavory?

They are not heroes

Never said they were. Most are lost little children who have no idea what they're doing. They just see the benefits and are attracted like moths to the flame. And that makes them good soldiers. It's better if most of them never question what they're being used for. It'd be harder to use them if they did. And they're certainly not going to understand or accept the reality I just told you, so it's better to keep them in the dark, throw a bit of money and some medals at them, and tell them they did good so they can die happy, either on some far away battlefield or at home when they're old. It's basically like in The Matrix, where Neo has a choice. But in this case, the red pill doesn't wake you up in some real world. You're already in it and the red pill is just that you go on seeing the real world as it really is. The blue pill simply puts you back to sleep. Most people need the blue pill (as it is in this context) because the red pill would kill them.

They are people who enlisted to potentially go kill third worlders in exchange for financial help with college and veterans benefits. They kill for money.

You've got it backwards. They enlist to get money and they potentially have to kill in order to stay alive long enough to use it (or get awarded even more money).

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trump20202024 -4 points ago +6 / -10

Wellp none of em have the balls to, ahem, break the chains, metaphorically and command wise. Just simply do as instructed on a certain old document .

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TheSleepingPresident 15 points ago +19 / -4

It's easy to tell who hasn't served in the military on here.

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America1stAndOnly 4 points ago +5 / -1

It's also easy to tell who the blue falcons were. I bet buddy is only half the word for you.

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Lenny_Kravitz2 1 point ago +1 / -0

No joke.

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Tr0mp 8 points ago +11 / -3

your anger is misplaced

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G_regulator 3 points ago +3 / -0

C'mon mate, it's not like these grunts have any actual power. Their families have to eat.

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