There is no denomination more divided than the Southern Baptists. I live/work amongst them and generally admire them. But they are a lot more decentralized which makes them harder to take over like the episcopagans and lutherans and Presbyterians.
Went to Grand Rapids MI late last year, churches with massive LGBTQRS+ and BLM flags draped from them. I’m talking 20 ft long, I was soo disgusted and taken back for real. Couldn’t believe my eyes. Soo many churches that have been turned upside down
Yep, and when some people burnt the BLM flags that were displayed by left-wing churches, the associated press claimed that the churches themselves were vandalized, but never ran any stories about churches vandalized by blm or pantifa. https://www.catholicleague.org/burned-blm-banners-outrages-the-left/
Spez: ap did run stories about vandalized churches and religious statues. FNYT and WaComPo did not.
My church hasn't really embraced SJW stuff, but they're letting the water boil a bit. To be fair, I don't think it's any malicious or ideological reason. I don't like to use the word boomer, cause I think it's disparaging, but for lack of a better word, I think it's just cause our church is quite "boomerish". The staff seems to be mostly if not all "normies", and the pastor I believe is only plugged into MSM because he recently mentioned that people try to send him articles and political stuff and he doesn't have the time or interest to read it.
They aren't pro gay. They love gay people like the Bible commands and welcomes all people to come to the church and to learn about Jesus, but they recognize and publicly say that homosexuality, like all sexual immorality is a sin.
Where they've started to let the water boil is they said early on into the George Floyd riots "We stand with the black community" (which is a surreal thing to say if this wasn't clown world....what black community? the one in Georgia...New York, Tennessee? Or are you saying all black people are the same?) They did say that all racism is bad in any direction and that the only solution to all these problems is Jesus, but the point is they said that statement, and never condemned the riots, but did condemn the capital storming not long ago.
So as you can see, due to being plugged in to the MSM, a good, solidly Bible teaching church is polluting things by standing for really bad and evil movements. It's sad. My pastor I've always felt was a little too feminist. I mean he every once in a while claims that women are the better, less sinful sex and that makes my blood boil. I don't think he's a feminist in the way third wave feminists are, but I think he is due to him being a "southern gentleman who thinks he's being chivalrous and honorable". Men like him are why feminism has been so successful. It plays on men's natural inclination to protect and give women compliments and be chivalrous.
I get that everything I described makes him sound like an SJW, but he also isn't politically correct on transgender and gay stuff and will straight up preach the Bible even if the verse is uncomfortable for people. He's just a "normie" for lack of a better word.
I go there still mainly because for the super leftist city I'm in, there likely aren't better options (our family's visited many churches and this is the best), and also I don't drive and I go with my parents so I couldn't change if I wanted to. But I listen to other pastors on podcasts as well. All people are flawed, and if you're looking for the perfect pastor, or the perfect church, you'll never find it. Our church preaches the Bible and shares the gospel bravely, and that's the most important thing.
The Walls of the Church should not prioritize evangelism. We are to “go out” to make disciples. The walls of the church are for the body of BELIEVERS to worship and grow in their knowledge. The church as recruitment center has been damaging.
I think maybe you can advise the pastor to wean himself from MSM. Is it like CNN or "local" (ABC, NBC,) that he mostly watches? Maybe explain to him how those type of channels promote unChristian ideas and practices.
Far too many. They have slowly but surly implanted so much false ideology within Christianity, people actually think government run Welfare is following the Bible, while ceding all power of health and life to the alter of medical science built upon the corpses of murdered and mutilated children.
Yup, had a Leftist tell me that the Bible is socialist. I’m a recent convert so I’m still learning the Bible, but last time I checked the Bible is all about private property.
After some discussions I found out he confused socialism with charity. One is government sanctioned robbery and the other one is a voluntary, virtuous act stems from one’s kindness. The Leftist infiltration is pervasive and disgusting.
You've got it. They have dressed up sin as virtue around every corner. The Bible is also explicit that the Church is responsible for the widows and the orphans, not to pay taxes to the government so we can all forget they exist.
Welfare is nothing but greed, avarice and theft on the part of those demanding it, but even worse, it is allowing the "government" to take over our own responsibilities. In the once Christian world of our ancestors, these people would be taken care of by their Christian community, if not their own family. They would be taught to fish, not just given free food and cash for drug purchases.
The idolized utopian society with an equality that the communists desperately crave, where the poor and the disabled are cared for, actually exists in communities like the Amish. But then they would have to be moral, upright, and hardworking under an established patriarchy, forgoing the excesses granted to them by slave produced goods.
Socialism/Communism is literally Satan's system or design for the world.
This is from Whitaker Chambers who was a member of the communist underground in the 50's, after he became a Christian:
“It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God."
Socialism puts government in the place of God.
Also read 1 Samuel 8 about Israel wanting a king.
"6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9"
but last time I checked the Bible is all about private property.
The Bible acknowledges property as a natural thing, but "private" maybe not as much as you think. You had private-ish property at the will of the ruler with varying degrees of security.
Ultimately though, if you're reading the Bible for talking points in favor of any political-economic model you're missing the point and it's no different from r/atheism posting the same out of context (or just plain odd old testament...) passages.
one passage says the early Church "held all things in common. They distributed to each according to his need, from each according to his ability." I think that's in Acts.
This could be termed communism. It was a commune. Not a Nation. It can work in a small community, voluntarily. It has NEVER worked in a Country.
It's good to see you still here! We have c/Christianity. Have you seen it?
Fake Christians are the ones stepping down on the church. They might lead people with scales over their eyes astray, but anyone who takes heed in the Gospel can see right through their treachery and it proves the level of corruption we're dealing with to boot.
Yes, they've been infiltrating and spreading their yeast all throughout nearly every denomination and it's difficult to even know what is a real Christian church and what is a LGBTBLM Leftist Neo-Jim Jonesian fake church now.
The sheep and the goats.
Been happening since the New Testament times.
The false churches won’t be attacked as they serve the father of lies.
The churches where the gospel is being taught and Jesus is worshipped will be targeted. However, the building is a building. The actual church is the corporal body of believers, those will never be subdued.
I just ignore those dumb responses. Anytime you speak the truth about reality you’ll get at least a couple antisemite comments. Ignore and keep speaking 👍
Will they? The one's behind all this have been working the protestant denominations, Christianity in general, and Catholics specifically for a very long time now. Their metrics and indicators are all or a sufficient number of them are seemingly showing green that their plans can unfold .
It is actually why I am worried about the civil war stuff, because these psychopaths of the clan don't and would not set these things up without having considered that and planned for it, just like they instigated and orchestrated the civil war and knew exactly how to get the south to fall for the trap of kicking things off in a hot headed way, way before they were prepared for the fight.
For example, what do you think they are importing millions of foreign people for, who are all way more beholden to the regime that gave them gibs and parts of America than they are to the Constitution or the rightful heirs of America. You think that some foreign hispanics, africans, asians, and even europeans are going to side with patriots that insist on abiding by the Constitution and prevent federal tyranny? You're fooling yourself harder than that whole blexit "muh Africans" grift and con job that didn't even work after telling the Africans they would get a platinum plan that you white tax slave people get to pay for.
They’ll find that the steeple is a nail
That's why they infiltrated the church too. How many progressive priests do you think there are nowadays
Gay flags on nearly every church up here in the N. East. Along with the BLM tag.
All denominations.
Shit, I didn't realize it was that bad.
I live in Appalachia, churches around here are more likely to fly Dixie than gay flags lol
There is no denomination more divided than the Southern Baptists. I live/work amongst them and generally admire them. But they are a lot more decentralized which makes them harder to take over like the episcopagans and lutherans and Presbyterians.
Went to Grand Rapids MI late last year, churches with massive LGBTQRS+ and BLM flags draped from them. I’m talking 20 ft long, I was soo disgusted and taken back for real. Couldn’t believe my eyes. Soo many churches that have been turned upside down
Whores of Babylon
Yep, and when some people burnt the BLM flags that were displayed by left-wing churches, the associated press claimed that the churches themselves were vandalized, but never ran any stories about churches vandalized by blm or pantifa. https://www.catholicleague.org/burned-blm-banners-outrages-the-left/
Spez: ap did run stories about vandalized churches and religious statues. FNYT and WaComPo did not.
Went to Grand Rapids for Valentine's Day and they named Monroe St @ Pearl St to "Breonna Taylor Way" SMH
My church hasn't really embraced SJW stuff, but they're letting the water boil a bit. To be fair, I don't think it's any malicious or ideological reason. I don't like to use the word boomer, cause I think it's disparaging, but for lack of a better word, I think it's just cause our church is quite "boomerish". The staff seems to be mostly if not all "normies", and the pastor I believe is only plugged into MSM because he recently mentioned that people try to send him articles and political stuff and he doesn't have the time or interest to read it.
They aren't pro gay. They love gay people like the Bible commands and welcomes all people to come to the church and to learn about Jesus, but they recognize and publicly say that homosexuality, like all sexual immorality is a sin.
Where they've started to let the water boil is they said early on into the George Floyd riots "We stand with the black community" (which is a surreal thing to say if this wasn't clown world....what black community? the one in Georgia...New York, Tennessee? Or are you saying all black people are the same?) They did say that all racism is bad in any direction and that the only solution to all these problems is Jesus, but the point is they said that statement, and never condemned the riots, but did condemn the capital storming not long ago.
So as you can see, due to being plugged in to the MSM, a good, solidly Bible teaching church is polluting things by standing for really bad and evil movements. It's sad. My pastor I've always felt was a little too feminist. I mean he every once in a while claims that women are the better, less sinful sex and that makes my blood boil. I don't think he's a feminist in the way third wave feminists are, but I think he is due to him being a "southern gentleman who thinks he's being chivalrous and honorable". Men like him are why feminism has been so successful. It plays on men's natural inclination to protect and give women compliments and be chivalrous.
I get that everything I described makes him sound like an SJW, but he also isn't politically correct on transgender and gay stuff and will straight up preach the Bible even if the verse is uncomfortable for people. He's just a "normie" for lack of a better word.
I go there still mainly because for the super leftist city I'm in, there likely aren't better options (our family's visited many churches and this is the best), and also I don't drive and I go with my parents so I couldn't change if I wanted to. But I listen to other pastors on podcasts as well. All people are flawed, and if you're looking for the perfect pastor, or the perfect church, you'll never find it. Our church preaches the Bible and shares the gospel bravely, and that's the most important thing.
The Walls of the Church should not prioritize evangelism. We are to “go out” to make disciples. The walls of the church are for the body of BELIEVERS to worship and grow in their knowledge. The church as recruitment center has been damaging.
I think maybe you can advise the pastor to wean himself from MSM. Is it like CNN or "local" (ABC, NBC,) that he mostly watches? Maybe explain to him how those type of channels promote unChristian ideas and practices.
Original 13 colonies. So sad.
Bidet's top legislative agenda will drive the Church underground. Prepare.
seriously?
Yes
Far too many. They have slowly but surly implanted so much false ideology within Christianity, people actually think government run Welfare is following the Bible, while ceding all power of health and life to the alter of medical science built upon the corpses of murdered and mutilated children.
Yup, had a Leftist tell me that the Bible is socialist. I’m a recent convert so I’m still learning the Bible, but last time I checked the Bible is all about private property.
After some discussions I found out he confused socialism with charity. One is government sanctioned robbery and the other one is a voluntary, virtuous act stems from one’s kindness. The Leftist infiltration is pervasive and disgusting.
You've got it. They have dressed up sin as virtue around every corner. The Bible is also explicit that the Church is responsible for the widows and the orphans, not to pay taxes to the government so we can all forget they exist.
Welfare is nothing but greed, avarice and theft on the part of those demanding it, but even worse, it is allowing the "government" to take over our own responsibilities. In the once Christian world of our ancestors, these people would be taken care of by their Christian community, if not their own family. They would be taught to fish, not just given free food and cash for drug purchases.
The idolized utopian society with an equality that the communists desperately crave, where the poor and the disabled are cared for, actually exists in communities like the Amish. But then they would have to be moral, upright, and hardworking under an established patriarchy, forgoing the excesses granted to them by slave produced goods.
Socialism/Communism is literally Satan's system or design for the world.
This is from Whitaker Chambers who was a member of the communist underground in the 50's, after he became a Christian:
“It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God."
Socialism puts government in the place of God.
Also read 1 Samuel 8 about Israel wanting a king. "6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9"
The Bible acknowledges property as a natural thing, but "private" maybe not as much as you think. You had private-ish property at the will of the ruler with varying degrees of security.
Ultimately though, if you're reading the Bible for talking points in favor of any political-economic model you're missing the point and it's no different from r/atheism posting the same out of context (or just plain odd old testament...) passages.
Interesting thing on this point:
one passage says the early Church "held all things in common. They distributed to each according to his need, from each according to his ability." I think that's in Acts.
This could be termed communism. It was a commune. Not a Nation. It can work in a small community, voluntarily. It has NEVER worked in a Country.
It's good to see you still here! We have c/Christianity. Have you seen it?
And charity means a little more in The Bible.
NOT ONLY TALK! MOBILIZE ! https://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com/
Fake Christians are the ones stepping down on the church. They might lead people with scales over their eyes astray, but anyone who takes heed in the Gospel can see right through their treachery and it proves the level of corruption we're dealing with to boot.
Yes, they've been infiltrating and spreading their yeast all throughout nearly every denomination and it's difficult to even know what is a real Christian church and what is a LGBTBLM Leftist Neo-Jim Jonesian fake church now.
Well, no wonder if the "pope" is an Argentine Marxist who worships gender ideologies, this "pope" wants to impose the 2030 agenda.
You have to denounce and thus uncover this degeneracy that they want to make believe is "normal"
"Is the pope catholic?" Is a real question nowadays not just a joke that means yes
They took over all the mainline denomination seminaries 40 years ago. The same strategy is being used in the public schools today.
The sheep and the goats. Been happening since the New Testament times.
The false churches won’t be attacked as they serve the father of lies.
The churches where the gospel is being taught and Jesus is worshipped will be targeted. However, the building is a building. The actual church is the corporal body of believers, those will never be subdued.
Fuck off anti-semite
Explain how anything I said was anti Semitic.
I just ignore those dumb responses. Anytime you speak the truth about reality you’ll get at least a couple antisemite comments. Ignore and keep speaking 👍
NOT ONLY TALK! MOBILIZE ! https://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com/
Will they? The one's behind all this have been working the protestant denominations, Christianity in general, and Catholics specifically for a very long time now. Their metrics and indicators are all or a sufficient number of them are seemingly showing green that their plans can unfold .
It is actually why I am worried about the civil war stuff, because these psychopaths of the clan don't and would not set these things up without having considered that and planned for it, just like they instigated and orchestrated the civil war and knew exactly how to get the south to fall for the trap of kicking things off in a hot headed way, way before they were prepared for the fight.
For example, what do you think they are importing millions of foreign people for, who are all way more beholden to the regime that gave them gibs and parts of America than they are to the Constitution or the rightful heirs of America. You think that some foreign hispanics, africans, asians, and even europeans are going to side with patriots that insist on abiding by the Constitution and prevent federal tyranny? You're fooling yourself harder than that whole blexit "muh Africans" grift and con job that didn't even work after telling the Africans they would get a platinum plan that you white tax slave people get to pay for.
Steeples are just cleverly hidden monoliths.
They may represent a monolith, (the church/body of Christ) but they don’t fit the definition of monolith per se.
A monolith represents the body of Christ? Never heard that before.
The body is monolithic