So, I went to visit my parents after almost a year of them refusing physical visits. They now feel somewhat safe. My dad decides to start trashing Trump. He was spitting out every lie that we've seen shared by CNN/MSNBC/ fake news. He claimed that there was no voter fraud, no antifa at the capital and that the Proud Boys are the ones who burned down cities last year and that BLM was trying to protect their communities. He then went on a rant that I shouldn't have a right to say anything because I didn't vote when I was 24 years old. He made the ridiculous statement that we came SO close to losing our Democracy. My son and I sadly got up and quietly walked out from the visit. My parents are lost. They spent the last 4 years being programmed and there is no hope. They have been lied to so much that no amount of "proof" will change their minds.
I've lost my parents.....
🚔 PARTY OF CRIME 🚔
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Many older people are suffering a kind of ptsd due to the corvid fear mongering, political panic, isolation, lack of contact, socializing, smiles, etc... its really sad, dont give up, call them, keep connection, books, art, music, food, anything away from the news for a while... my folks finally agreed that no news is best....
There are based and woke in every generation. When I think of a Marxist leftist, Grandma's image does not pop into my mind. I think of the teen and college age kids rioting last summer - the masses of indoctrinated pouring out of our schools.
Anyone who listens, unquestioning, to establishment sources will be brainwashed. Doesn't matter if it is the MSM or your history Professor. After that, you can tell them something is 100% factual, even show hard evidence to back up your position, and they will simply claim you're lying or making it up and re-write history to fit their agenda. They KNOW the sky is green.
It's kind of evolved in the last 2-4years from refusing that your evidence is true to "That IS true, but that's only because <insert unproven claim of racism/etc>" - it makes it impossible to argue with them because they'll just revert to point 1 on any further discussion.
They were indoctrinating commie theory in my high school, we all thought it was a joke...
Old people are floating in the darkness, and when they find a thought they hold onto it. They don't consider context or other thoughts like someone with a healthy brain. They hold onto that one thought with everything they have, for fear of slipping back into the darkness where they can't keep a train of thought or remember where they are. "Old" for some people is 50. Those people keep up appearances for years and can talk and do things as if their brain works, but they are slowly losing it.
Pede it sounds like you personally know of some old people who are mentally losing it, but many old folks are still quite sharp. Some of them are Pedes right here with us!!!
Thank you, Granny. I'm a 74 yr old MAGA pede, Trump supporter, patriot. Age is not the problem here.
Indeed mentally "old" can be a wide range of ages, like I suggested. I know people over 70 who can think through things very well. People's bodies and likewise their brains decline, and I think that's how their thinking changes in not being willing to think on the outskirts of a thought as much because they are less adept at holding it all together. So the point is, when an old person is being stubborn or alarmingly brainwashed as the OP's parents, even if they seem quite functional it may be more a decline than anything external, if they weren't always like that.
Here's the deal:
IQ declines as people get older. The decline starts at different ages, and progresses at different rates for different people. The decline becomes most apparent after retirement, when most people simply use their brain less. Most people do not lose very much, which is a good thing, because most people do not have a lot to lose. The average IQ is 100, and if you've ever had a conversation with an IQ 100, you know that they're pretty much dumbfucks. Now, imagine that dumbfuck with ten or fifteen fewer IQ points.
That's very thoughtful of you and shows your caring!
Pede must know Pedo Joe.
Yeah we all have to think of former vice president Joe Biden, and at many times he seems to be ok. But he's not.
ROTFLMAO. I am 71. No way am I “keep up appearances for years and can talk and do things as if their brain works, but they are slowly losing it.”. You sound like a no-nothing millennial
I find it very hard to believe that a 71 year old is on a PC and on this website. From experience other 71 year olds don't even know how the TV remote works.
Jesus kid I’ve been surfing for almost 30 yrs, and I am low tech. Used to have two land lines...one just for the internet.
I am 62 and was online when it started
If you are being serious, you cannot be a very intelligent person.
There is a serious problem in this country where people see a handful of people act a certain way and then they think everyone acts that same way.
You are a moron and probably a lefty
Ok boomer
Very well said. These people isolated themselves from the world and their only outlet was the TV. It's a downward spiral of ever increasing fear and a detachment from reality. Once they get out and around people they'll come back down to earth hopefully, but we'll see. I'm sorry they were so scared and kept you away. Enjoy the time with your boy and being the best dad you can.
My boomer dad thinks the local abc/nbc/cbs affiliate isn't fake news and he's super smart because he doesn't watch cnn. Believes all the shit op's dad does. My mom and I can show him video evidence and he denies it. Boomers didn't kill krauts mouthbreather. Their parents did.
You beat me to it. The “greatest generation” killed the krauts. The boomers were their kids. 👌 well said pede.
exactly, the boomers are that weak generation that made the hard times we're living in
No, the boomers were split into conservatives and rabble rouser spoiled brat hippies like Bill Clinton. The hippies voted Dem and Liberal. It is the Dems and Liberals that cause all of our problems today, and their kids and grandkids. My generation thought communism was bad. Now most millennials think it is good. Thank a Commie Dem teacher for that.
That’s me but switch dad with mom. Be patient as we know there is a communist plan to break up the family
Agreed. Millennials aren't faring well.
Yeah. My hubby and I are millennials.
We are in the minority of our generation.
We are a rare few, I’m 25 and almost all of my friends now after college are 40+ for good reason.
I'm 45, hubby is 40. We have a toddler. We keep saying we are the last generation that they are aiming to kill off. Older people (60+) already are set in their ways and cant fight like when they are younger and everyone under 30 is already indoctrinated to the bs. I know not "all" but it isnt easy to find normal people to just be friends with that have young kids. Thankfully I am a sahm and will be homeschooling and my boy will be in many activities.
People can change, they need a reason , otherwise habits set in
It's tough.
But strangely I’d rather have it this way. Something happens in everyone’s lives that forces their social to be smaller. Nothing good in life worth holding onto comes easy. Besides, even in my mid 20s sooo many people my age can’t even get their own place still because they’re lazy so yeah fuck those kinds of people.
Its perception of ageing, there's a contraction that occurs, time, everything seems tighter, shorter...
There are pictures of that blm fuckhead john sullivan at the capitol. Sad to hear, I know thats a massive wedge. My mom is drunk on don lemons koolaid too. My dad is based though. Maybe work on one at a time, isolate and reprogram?
Thanks for the advice. They've been drinking the D party koolaid for 40 years. My dad had the balls to call the confederacy, the "Republican Southern Confederacy".
How does he reconcile the fact that Bidens own VP, Heels Up Harris, basically called him a racist during the dem debates?
Or that democrats started the kkk?
Or that Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves?
Sucks man, I know logic and facts mean little to liberal feelings, but for fucks sake, your mom should at least want to defend womens sports from biological males!
Red pills everywhere but libs are violently allergic aren't they?
Because they know true liberal/dems don’t remember the headlines from last week. They expect you to be stupid, and have the attention span on a squirrel. Why else do they love pushing social media and other distracting shit.
You can "pretty much assure me" huh? Thats the dumbest shit I've heard all day. Talking with democrats is like being lectured by a child. Own the fact that dems started the kkk you absolute pinecone.
Also there are only 2 genders, Biden cheated their way into the white house, and Trump was the best President youve ever had but youre too stupid to see it. You trust cnn to tell you if Hcq works or not over doctors. You probably wear 3 masks just like the ccp controlled WHO told you to like a good little sheep. You probably are ok with keystone pipeline being axed and coincidentally bombing syria within the week. You probably hoped for free gibs with loan forgiveness and 15$ minimum wage to flip burgers. Gtfo with your retarded shit. Youre on the wrong website, BidensBallsack.com is over here.
Go devil's advocate on these types. Take THEIR logic to its extreme. Have fun with it.
ex.: Just heard on CNN that Trump is a space alien who is sending innocent black children to his home planet for food.
The KGB did pay Americans $50 and a case of Budweiser to vote for Trump.
At the rate police are executing innocent blacks, blacks will be extinct before climate change extinguishes earth in 9 years.
If Democrats outlaw guns, America will become the Garden of Eden.
and so forth............
...and then call their responses "conspiracy theory."
"Thats just as crazy as the Russian Collusion conspiracy theory you guys rattled on about for years. Tell me, what else are they programming you to believe?"
Ooh that's good!
Best advice ever.
I’m so fucking glad both my parents are based AF.
They don't call it the Darwin Award for nothing. These people are what Stalin &al called useful idiots and it's painful to realize they're in our families.
My brother went full LGBTQ and I disowned him a decade ago for it. Now the only time I think of him is when some collection agency or state investigator is trying to track him down for something or another.
Same with the coof: staying in the company even of deluded grandparents puts your Liberty at risk because if they're willing to fight you at a visit they're willing to rat you out to the cops for any number of imagined transgressions against their religion.
I hope you rub it in his face.
"What? Biden is a fuck up? Biden is just a foolish old man with dementia put into place to be a figurehead for his handlers. That's why he hasn't met with any world leaders or had any press conferences.
No, you're the one who fucked up for letting yourself be brainwashed by communists with cameras."
When the time comes, find the cheapest, shittiest nursing home his money will buy.
I don’t know how they think proud boys were burning down cities not BLM? Did msm try to peddle that fake news?
They watch twisted YouTube videos all day long.
They can see the truth but they won't let the truth register. My Dad had told me that China loved Trump and that China hates Joe. When I pointed out that China loves Joe and has for years he told me that everything is backwards, Joe loving China means that Trump loves China. These people are lost.......
I mean wow yeah that’s some serious mental gymnastics. Sorry pede! I’ve got some libtards in my family but why you are describing is like libtard derangement.
All libtards are deranged in my experience. My sister for example strongly hates Trump. I asked her why and she simply said "he's a potato". I tried to explain to her all of the good things Trump has done and how he acknowledged the threat of Chyna virus well before Dems did but her brainwashing is just too great and she wouldn't hear it.
I am sorry. My brothers and their families are mostly based, but my wife and kids have believed the lies. My wife thinks that the NYT is a legitimate news source.
What does she know about Walter Duranty?
So are you trying to help your children escape her programming or what? You are their father, it's your job to counter every bullshit word out of her mouth with the truth to protect them.
Well, they're all adults, but thanks for the unsolicited advice.
Lol ok. I'm not the one who sleeps with a commie and has kids that will send him to the gulag, but whatever.
ouch your wife ? i could handle my relatives but not my spouse
How could you marry someone so deranged?
are you kidding my parents do the same thing, trump against war? no joe is against war, corporate support only trump. it’s the reverse of the truth
Keep ahold of your son... I lost my daughter to them (full blown Marxist college indoctrination). At last I still have my parents. Two totally based red blooded Patriots!
Subversion is 100% and irreversible. Yuri Bezmenov told us.
Well it IS reversible but not for moral men with a functional conscience and low threshold for disgust:
WAR
I've been contemplating disowning my family with the naive hope that maybe something will begin clicking.
But it won't click. I know this.
Change the scenario for sake of clarity: if you were a bystander or even a lifeguard and they were drowning,
Would you let them drown you too ? Of course not. You must shove them away to save your own life.
This concept works with all similar scenarios: burning fires, quicksand, moving trains/trucks . . .
Here there is no need for them to die -- simply that you let them go for the sake of your own sanity and peace of mind.
Keep them in your prayers but do not keep them in your life.
I’m sorry to hear that has become the case..last year I contact a cousin who lives upper middle class philly suburb..the last time I spoke to her I was 5 (she was in her early 20s at the time) I’m now 60. Anywho, immediately after establishing greetings - she flew into this rant about President Trump the racist dictator...blah blah..this rabid old bag eye roll I wished her a good day-now we’ll wait for BLM to show up in her wealthy, white liberal enclave
Trump Derangement Syndrome #TDS is real.
Convince me otherwise.
My bros a proud boy, he sends his regards
Proof that Goebbels level of propaganda works.
I don't know where they got that bit of info. But the way he stated it was like it was a fact, he was ready to fight over that bit. That's when I knew they were gone. There's no talking sense into someone that far out there.
What happened is the media portrayed the white ANTIFA as white supremacists with no proof of course. The Proud Boys have also been falsely smeared as white supremacists therefore the Proud Boys were the rioters. Leftist logic.
I’m sorry, man. That hurts.
Just remember, there’s a breaking point for almost everybody, but it’s also different for everybody. Family is more important than politics. You don’t have to stop talking to them, and you certainly don’t have to stop loving them. Something will eventually happen, or you’ll find an avenue of discussion, to help bring them to their senses. Don’t give up hope.
The programming is deep, but it’s also based on lies. Reality always catches up.
I wish you were correct. I've been battling with my libtard mother for decades, trying to get her to understand and see the truth. She has literally walked away from me with her fingers stuffed in her ears going "lalalala".
I will never change her mind, so I limit my contact with her. If there was a way to walk away clean, right now, I'd do it in a minute. I've no doubt that these same family members will turn us in to the new gestapo for re-education one day.
Their programming is complete. There is no hope for change. There is no reality in their world. Logic checked out years ago.
I like the sentiment Pede- but really the parents chose to squander the time they had to visit with their son/daughter and grandson and appeared to verbally abuse them. I mean realistically what type of relationship are we talking here if they come to their senses? They appear to hold little value in treating their family members with love or warmth. Sometimes it is better to walk away than to cling to the illusion that the people you love actually love you when their treatment shows otherwise.
Well-stated.
MIL's brother disowned the rest of the family over #TDS. That's been at least 3 years now. His call, people reach out to him.
My Father abandoned me and his only granddaughter back in 2016 due to my support for Trump and conservatism. I feel what you’re going through. But I don’t look back, I only look forward for my country, my daughter, and myself.
Good grief. We aren’t a democracy.
The more isolated my Dad is the more weird he and leftist wife get.
Sad for him.
The previous generations grew up with TV as their constant companion, and when it turned on them they largely turned with it.
Broadcast media is fucking disgusting. I miss literature.
Get power of attorney then cancel their cable TV service.
Same here my mom double masking in her car.. these boomers claim they were the best generation. They are really starting to rapidly look like the shittiest pussiest and most indoctrinated generation in American history..
Boomers are the kids of The Greatest Generation which grew up during The Great Depression and fought WWII. And due to the hardship suffered by TGG, they spoiled their children. Who grew up to have kids if their own who had kids who are now millennials. Half of the SBG became hippies and commies and voted Dem and liberals. That is the real problem. Dems and Libs
Thanks for the context I'm a Millennial 94
49er here. I have hated half of my generation my whole life. They spoiled my college experience by rioting during the VietNam protests and Kent State shootings. They kicked ROTC off campus. Hanoi Jane. John Kerry. Bill and Hillary. These people have followed me around my whole life and ruined everything for me and half my generation. I hate them with a passion.
I'm right there with you. My family doesnt believe anything I say, and I dont speak up unless I have proof. They send me yahoo/msnbc/NYT articles but refuse to look at anything I show them. They're double maskers now. I told them about anal covid tests and they say it does not happen anywhere, but will not let me show them anything. They call me a conspiracy theorist and a radical. I'm not going to give up 9n them, but their commitment to their tribe and hypocrisy bother the heck out of me. Good luck to everybody else in our situations.
I'm sorry. It must have been hard to finally be granted a physical visit and have your parents choose anger and resentment over just enjoying your company. I am giving you a virtual hug.
As hard as it was to walk out, you did the right thing by setting an example to your son that it is not acceptable to allow yourselves to be verbally abused. Personally, I never stay anywhere I am not wanted. And sadly, it does not seem your parents truly wanted you there. It's hard to accept but sometimes people disappoint us.
They rail on a greedy, money hunger Republican until it's time to pay for a family dinner or when they need help buying a new car.
Be compassionate. It's probably dementia. Maybe you take them aside quietly and gently tell them that you are concerned about them and offer to find a good doctor?
Expose only ONE lie and te rest will follow. Good one is that George Floyd died by Fentanyl. 3-5 times the amount in his system to cause death. Hand up don’t shoot is another. Bothe caused Burn Loot Murder and antifa to riot. Why would supposedly white supremacists care about black deaths?
Every conservative boomer I know is brainwashed as well. Every single one of them is gleefully lining up for the MRNA injection. There's no convincing them to look into it at length. It scares me how out of touch they all are.
I am sorry for your loss, it is truly sad what the MSM has done to these people, I watched a guy put on two masks in his car, get out to grab his face shield from the back seat, and then put on gloves to go in a store... every time, i just think "THE MSM DID THIS TO THAT POOR OLD MAN."
My father in law is the same way. He’s never talked politics and now he does. When he talk it’s like he’s reading a script right from msnbc or cnn. Dude is 83 years old, a Marine and doesn’t know he’s been lied to his entire life.
He is an old style Dem who doesnt realize that the Dems are now the commies
He’s actually a lifelong Republican. He just bought the msm narrative
Just because someone is a parent or an adult it does not mean the a competent.
You dad is a little insecure weasel of a "man" and he knows it which is why he reacted the way he did. The only thing you need to say is that you cultist like you are so far lost in your insane beliefs that you actually believe that it is totally normal for a mentally ill man in a dress to be in a position of government thanks to your Biden.
Not every parent is good, and you should feel no guilt in staying away from them until they come to their senses. Use them as an example not to raise your son.
I learned a few years ago that a parent is just another human being who happened to birth you into this world. In my opinion, you don't really owe them shit. I help my mom/grandma with bills (I'm 27), but I can barely stand hanging around them anymore. They believe everything the TV says and hate the fact that I like Trump.
Yep, just like any other adult. Respect is earned and since most parents today were at best old dirtbag hippies from the 60's they should all be second guessed
Should have brought a MyPillow....to put and hold over his face. Just kidding OP, sorry you lost them.
The same thing happened to me last year. My dad told me that Trump is a tyrant and then I pointed out to him that he doesn't understand how government works. He became triggered and that was basically the end of the phone call.
Same here, but only because my dad died in '04. My mom is lost, no matter how many facts I try to present. Blames my wife for making me a fascist. My views have NEVER changed.
RIP to family with TDS Pede. Got an uncle I don't talk to anymore, but I don't really consider it a loss cuz we weren't close b4 hand. But dang, losing your parents? Kid losing Grandparents. That's rough.
Reading this made me sick because this is how it is with my sister and some friends of mine.
I am sorry for your loss. You did the right thing and handled it well.
It must stem from hatred and jealousy of Trump, because no older person in their right mind can deny the contrasts between the Obama administration and the Trump administration. Propaganda is a powerful thing and when people have weak minds, propaganda takes control. How very sad for you. I was a Democrat and just like them for almost 40 years. I did not believe that the media or Democrats would lie to me, or that they were so corrupt. Keep your head held high. You are upholding truth, which is more valuable than anything your parents can claim to hold.
My parents are like this as well....hopefully they both see the light.
Wow! This sounds just like my mom and dad! They too believe that the riots n looting n burning all summer were Trump supporters! They are getting their second vaccine shots next wed and they both wear TWO masks to go out!
Wait, you didn't vote?
24 years ago. I had kids, a job and was traveling alot. I voted the second Clinton Presidency on through.
Propaganda is a virus in of itself. Keep your family. Just nod and let them know they are welcome to their opinions on events. Eventually their world view will begin to collapse and they’ll come back to the light. It will just take patience.
Love them anyway. You only have one mom and one dad.
We're required to honor mother and father, nothing else not even love them. They made us by giving us life for that they are honored.
I fucking hate my family for being progressive fundamentalist that only want to kill people due to their immutable characteristics.
I called a good friend....a very smart man....TOTALLY BLUE.
Called the Election Fair....no Fraud.
Thinks that Trump is Terrible.
I do not know what to say to him.
BASTA!
You and i have same experience. It hurts i know.
Ditto with my only brother last summer. The TDS is strong in his blue county in a purple state.
Dad will get redpilled too late- when mom sends him packing.
Mom on the other hand- might take her wickedness to the grave. There’s something about unkept feminism, the lack of responsibility for such division. The pussy privilege for women is a very confusing thing.
Same here, unfortunately my son also fell for this crap!
:(
Had an exceedingly old man ranting in the barbershop about Trump. I and the other guys didn't make eye contact or verbally respond to the ignorant ass. We just looked at each other, shook our heads, and kept reading our magazines. Why bother.
“Ignorance lies not in the things you don’t know, but in the things you know that ain’t so.” — Will Rogers
It's pretty sad. Imagine being locked away in a prison of fear and your only outlet to the outside world keeps telling you to be afraid. Your parents were strong for you when you were a weak child, now you must be strong for them