INTERVIEWER:· · · · Okay.· Now, Pence's wife, how 22· witting is she in all the pedophilia in all of this? 23· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · She covers it up for him. 24· She's completely a political animal.· One of the reasons that 25· the younger guy was sporadic is because she felt it was more we've wrote

·1· dangerous and was harder to control.· It was -- he'd pop up. ·2· It wasn't something necessarily scheduled. ·3· · · · · · I mean, he'd pop up and then it would be scheduled ·4· later, but it wasn't something that was set.· So, to her it ·5· was much riskier.· But she was the manager for the -- ·6· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Okay. ·7· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · -- she's the one who kept it ·8· quiet. ·9· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Would she be aware of the 10· pedophilia as well, with the young, young children? 11· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, sure. 12· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Yeah. 13· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · I mean, it's not like he hid 14· this stuff from her, because she managed it. 15· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Uh-huh. 16· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · And she's -- 17· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Just as complicit. 18· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Huh? 19· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · She's complicit in this. 20· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, sure.· Oh, yeah.· Oh, she 21· knew all about that, and she knew about it for a long time. 22· And so is Roberts.· I mean, Roberts is flat-out gay, at least 23· he is now.· He has been ever since he was a child.· Which 24· nothing wrong with being gay, but you're high and 25· manipulating stuff, and, so ...

·1· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Okay.· Do you have any ·2· questions for him on Pence? ·3· · · · · · UNKNOWN FEMALE:· · ·I guess just wondering how he's ·4· been able to keep all that from his public life. ·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Yeah.· What is your opinions on ·6· how he's been able to keep that so quiet? ·7· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Pence? ·8· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Yeah. ·9· · · · · · UNKNOWN FEMALE:· · ·Yeah. 10· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Well, I mean, the company he 11· kept in Congress were all the same thing, they're all under 12· surveillance, they're all dirty in one fashion or another. 13· So many of them are dirty; it's very disarming. 14· · · · · · And his wife manages the stuff, and he could do 15· deals if something did come out.· They could quash it, they 16· could make a deal, they could -- you know, if something was 17· hinted at they could address it because he had political 18· power, either there or governor or whatever. 19· · · · · · So, I'm sure things came out, as they do for most 20· of them, but things go away, too, especially in the 21· (inaudible). 22· · · · · · UNKNOWN FEMALE:· · ·Were you aware of any of this 23· going on from 2016 to 2020 in the White House or anything? 24· Or did he keep it all outside? 25· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Oh, his male relationships?

·1· · · · · · UNKNOWN FEMALE:· · ·Yes. ·2· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · I don't know if he maintained ·3· them after the election.· It was so -- it was so important to ·4· keep him buried, you know, "run silent, run deep."· That's ·5· how they described it.· They wouldn't save him. ·6· · · · · · He did provide info.· He actually let stuff leak. ·7· He let stuff leak from certain conversations the president ·8· had with a staffer, so (inaudible) the staffer be blamed ·9· because it was somebody that Mike didn't care for, and it got 10· out.· The president blamed them because of the prior 11· conversation, but it wasn't actually them -- not in all 12· cases, but some. 13· · · · · · At that point I don't know if he had any other 14· relationships or maintained the same ones because I just 15· didn't have the access anymore to it so I can't say, but it 16· was mostly important to them to keep it quiet or keep him 17· under control, 'cause that was an ace in the hole they 18· needed. 19· · · · · 20· · · · · 21· · · · · 22 23 24 25 · INTERVIEWER:· · · · All right.· Well, thanks. · [END OF RECORDING] · [END OF TRANSCRIPT]

·1· · · · · · T R A N S C R I P T I O N I S T ' S ·2· · · · · · · · · ·C E R T I F I C A T E ·3 ·4 ·5· ·I, Kimberly H. Nolan, Transcriptionist, ·6· ·do hereby certify that this transcript ·7· ·is a true and accurate record of the ·8· ·electronically recorded proceedings, ·9· ·transcribed by me this 1st of 10· ·March, 2021. 11 12 13· ·_______________________