FUCK RAND PAUL. That beta cuck voted for OPEN BORDERS (overturning Trump's border wall national emergency -- thank god it didn't get 2/3 btw) and for Xiao Bideng's electors on Jan 6th.
buncha QTARDS on here who love to masturbate to the Pauls despite the fact that they're fags.
Ron Paul is great, even if he is over-idealistic and not all his ideas are good. For example, he doesn't like the border wall because he says a wall doesn't just lock others out but locks us in as well. The problem with the libertarian notion of open borders of course, is that all of the other aspects of our country and the countries we deal with are NOT libertarian, so libertarian ideals will just be taken advantage of. You can't have open borders and a massive social welfare state at the same time.
Similar problems with free trade where other countries will not act in a truly fair and "free" manner even if you do, so the libertarian just ends up getting screwed.
But, Ron Paul has been fighting hard and consistently for his beliefs for decades and its tough to find a much more honest and dedicated politician. He's one of the few who has pointed out and fought against exploitive monetary policy ("audit the fed.")
Rand Paul on the other hand, is just a bunch of words and was more than happy to throw everyone of us under the bus on January 6th with similar bullshit rhetoric as most of the other politicians. He pretends to be like his father but he doesn't have the same convictions.
Secession is not without its dangers overall, depending on how it is done. If the USA split up into 10 or more about equally powerful countries, and they didn't cooperate defensively reg. military, they would be extremely easy pickings for larger powers worldwide. Don't take defense and protection for granted ever. Though, not taking action is not a viable approach either.
Of course, you are a shill that have previously argued for no government , ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all. And you definitely like to spam quotations (just see this thread), seeking to direct and instill people into what and how they should think and how they should behave (which is blatantly obvious in for instance https://patriots.win/p/12hkTkUVxU/x/c/4Dx6XCDKyDo ). And you have extreme amounts of activity, and extreme comment and submission points, despite you registering your account on January 20th, 2021.
I don't think reformation and change of certain aspects of government is sufficient at all whatsoever. Even with the most perfect government one can think of, it might well be all for nothing (or (much) worse than nothing) if large parts of the population are horrifyingly, ludicrously evil and wretched. Thus, an absolutely critical issue is what kinds of people there are, not superficially, but in depth. Especially if these people overall organize, plan and coordinate for the intentional and wilful purpose of destroying your country and nation and enslaving and exterminating you (and others).
Sorry but I can’t deal with infowars and have no respect for it as a source. Alex Jones has showed himself to be unstable and a profiteer. What he has said and done about Sandy Hook alone is so low that I would never give him the satisfaction of another click on his website.
fr wtf is all this stupid ass talk about secession lmao are these niggas stupid or just stupid? succession has literally been da end goal of da commies since 45 brah this is what yuri n his niggas back in da soviet kgb been tryna do to us this entire time.
sow chaos and division inside da usa so that eventually this beautiful republic collapses like rome from within.
da russians n chinese know we’d ROCK them niggas anyday 2v1 in a war, so instead they been tryna weaken us from da inside like snakes bitch ass niggas and secession is literally da best thing that could happen for them. it would weaken america hella and even if just a few states secede, then it will begin da domino effect and da entire republic will inevitably collapse sooner or later after that.
look what happened to da soviets. at first only da baltics dipped out, but within 2 years da rest of da republics said fuck that this shit is wack lmao and left too. then u only had like kazackstan n belorussia or some shit left in da soviet union n you know aint nobody pretending around some weird shit like that lmao so then da ussr went poof.
only communists and dumb ass americans nonironically support succession gtfo here with that stupid shit lmao
That's why a secession would HAVE to be done at the county level, if your surrounded by those leaving the Union, you'll be pressured into leaving yourself.
Then why aren't major world powers invading Britain and France every other week?
Sure, they're "invading" via immigration, but not militarily. The US remnant nations - the non-liberal/progressive ones, at least - would still retain nuclear power just as Russia did. Notice that Russia has not been invaded since the fall of the USSR, and Ukraine was not invaded until after they had given up their Nukes...and by Russia, which the rest of the world neither invaded nor declared war on...because Russia still has nukes.
The lesson from this:
If the US comes apart like the USSR did (every American should go and read the Wikipedia page on "The Dissolution of the USSR", it's actually a good read to see how a world superpower can fall apart when it's long overextended its military, finances, debt, and has Balkanized their own people where their member states just start saying they're independent and the central government can't really do anything about it), then many parts of it would likely end up with control of the nuclear weapons in their jurisdiction. As long as they don't give that away, they wouldn't be invaded.
Russia still has more than 140 million people and nuclear deterrents.
The US remnant nations - the non-liberal/progressive ones, at least - would still retain nuclear power just as Russia did.
Whether they would retain nuclear power would very much depend on how things turn out. You cannot take that for granted.
How vulnerable the USA would be would depend on a number of things, but the smaller the countries would be, the easier they would be to invade. And for those of them without nuclear weapons, they would not have that deterrent. Furthermore, even if a state has a decent size, and enough to make military conquest difficult and considerably costly, a much smaller state is still much easier to pressure, to prevent trade for, to use indirect warfare such as mass immigration, etc.
And the power vacuum a division of the USA would cause would itself have dramatic consequences worldwide. And there would be multiple powers worldwide that would not be the slightest bit interested in letting the USA have any chance of uniting again.
Despite the existence of the USA, Canada is more or less controlled by foreign powers. And the groups there... English-speaking, French-speaking... even many decades ago Canada was not really a country or a nation, and at this point in time... and the USA with a humongous number speaking Spanish without speaking English...
Furthermore... Russia and the other countries that came into being after the USSR... after the decades with fully intentionally, planned and organized extreme genocides against ethnic Russians and others in the many millions... after culture being destroyed intentionally... etc. ... they have some capability, but they are still shells of what they used to be or could have been. And that is despite the absolute extreme resource wealth that Russia possesses.
And Russia was much, much, much more homogeneous and had a substantial number of ethnic Russians with a shared culture, languages, general genetic group (Slavs) than the USA is currently (though with considerable minorities, especially various Asian minorities - still nothing absolutely extreme as the USA).
Basically, secession is not without its dangers overall, depending on how it is done, for any country that has about 300-400 million citizens and is the world's super power. But the USA as a specific case is as far as I can tell in several critical aspects in an extremely much more worse and more dangerous situation.
I mean, most of this is true when the USSR fell. The larger states like Texas and Cali would be a lot like Russia and Ukraine. Granted, Russia was the biggest dog of the USSR and held a larger percentage than any single US state, but Ukraine was not exactly small, either.
It would depend on the fallout, but as noted, the USSR simply realized it could not maintain the nation militarily, and essentially gave up. They couldn't pay soldiers, and so knew that they could not use the military to maintain that force. This is the same thing that would happen in the US if it became insolvent.
The power vacuum is the big difference. Sorta.
When the USSR fell, the USA was still there as a Superpower. The axis shift to the West happened, but there was no total gap as the US (at great expense) moved in to fill the entire power vacuum, filling both its own half of the world AND the other half. Today, it's highly doubtful that the EU could fill in if the US created such a gap, and China, despite their ambitions, are still not capable of global power projection.
The problem is you're attempting to compare the whole of the USA to Russia.
A better comparison would be comparing California to Russia, Texas to Ukraine, the South to Eastern Europe, and so on.
And note that WHILE smaller states are easier to pressure and invade:
Who's going to invade them? The smallest population states are deep in the interior, meaning an invasion would have to cross in from the coasts or Canada (and Canada itself isn't likely to invade Wyoming)
You assume no coalitions will form, for example, the entire South would likely form at least a lose confederation for mutual aid. This is a poor assumption as many subregions of the US share culture and outlook. The entire West Coast would likely form a shared defense, if not a single nation, as would the South, with the Midwest, Mountain West, and Northeast/Mid-Atlantic all being potential confederations as well. The EU is a confederation, and even before that, the breakaway USSR states in Eastern Europe kind of banded together. Even within the EU, the Visegard Group exists today.
Who COULD invade them? If the USA were to cease to be on the Federal level, then much of the world would be in chaos. The US Navy provides security of the seas for convoys the world over. Along the East African coast, absent the US Navy, piracy would likely explode. It's FAR more likely that most nations would be more concerned with their local/regional interests and securing their own assets, not attacking minor former-states of a fallen nation. China would be more concerned with making a bunch of power moves in the South China Sea without the US there to stop it and with the EU being both unwilling (it won't even condemn China's concentration camps NOW) and unable (militarily) to contest it. Russia would likewise cement its holdings and be more interested in rattling Eastern Europe than invading Montana.
The only nation likely both willing AND able to invade any of the US would be Mexico, and that would be pretty limited to southwest New Mexico, as California and Texas would both easily be able to repel any likely invasion that Mexico could muster, Texas (at least) would likely have nukes, and Arizona likely have a massive militia as well (Texas has a lot of people and permissive gun laws, Arizona has EVEN MORE permissive gun laws). And given the global shakeup that the fall of the USA would cause, it's not all that likely Mexico would want to make such a move. And, again, Canada would not, so the north and central US would also be safe.
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I agree the entire scenario is crazy to even contemplate. But that's also why I point to the dissolution of the USSR as the next nearest counterpart. Mix that with some of the fall of Rome and you've got the most likely scenario of a fall of the USA:
A global dark age, withdraw of most major powers to their own local regions/spheres of influence, and lots of turtling up and sheltering in place.
Anaconda... I have trouble figuring him out. For instance, he attacked Tucker Carlson many months ago, and I was skeptical and came with counter-arguments, but Anaconda gave sources in return, some of which were somewhat valid. And then later Tucker Carlson began downplaying (weeks before the 2020 election) that Hunter Biden raped his 14 year old niece (all that with the laptop) and described him or his wife very positively, saying that he (Tucker Carlson) knew them personally...
Agreed. The reason I've been easy on Tucker Carlson is for a few reasons,
A. Fox News "protects" him, when the NYT was trying to dox him, and find out where he lives, Fox News threatened legal action.
B. The Fox News CEO is a raging Anti Trumper, and will protect the Democrats at any cost.
C. I actually agree with not goofing around with Hunter's Laptop from Hell, we should've been focused on JOE'S Pedophilia, same as if it was Donald Trump, focus on HIM, not Eric or Jr.
The people who hate Tucker with a burning passion are usually VERY Inconsistent.
Hunter Biden was (and is?) very much involved in Joe Biden's scams, absolutely insanely extreme theft from the USA, etc. Including being directly involved with Ukraine. I don't see how he would not be 100% fair game and how Hunter Biden and his rape of his 14 year old niece and his hard drug abuse would not be fully relevant.
The problem is that normies DON'T CARE, we should've played the emotion game, put the people Joe Biden sexually assaulted on National TV, exposed his Pedophilia as well.
States' rights have been whittled away for decades, and before secession, they can claw them back. Some like Texas are slowly clawing them back before deciding to leave the Union.
It's going to get ugly from here with all kinds of crazy bullshit from the Biden regime as more and more Governors and legislatures tell him to go fuck himself!
I think we'd have to repeal the 17th amendment that stripped States of the ability to choose their Senators rather than make them elected just like the House. Without direct representation its harder to get those state rights back.
That's first on the list if we get a Convention of States. Having Senators that care more about a national political party instead of their constituents is a big part of how this thing got so messed up.
State assemblies can change their statewide elections to an electoral-style system as an end around of the 17th Amendment. Eliminate the biggest blue shitholes from single-handedly electing governors, senators, AGs, Sec. of States, etc. and you kill off the 17th Amendment and get your states rights back pretty quickly.
The problem is now getting any states to do it. Florida...are you listening? Texas? North Carolina?
Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy: that every state has a natural right, in cases not within the compact to nullify of their own authority all assumptions of power by others within their limits: that without this right, they would be under the dominion, absolute and unlimited, of whosoever might exercise this right of judgment for them.
Too many pedes on here be like "Secession makes us weak, secession is treason", blah blah.
They forget -- we seceded from the gay British Empire to form this nation. It was literally secession.
Secession Works.
We want it, now.
I do agree. Been telling people I see the future is Nullificaiton. Secession only comes if the Federal government attempts to apply force instead of backing off.
Remember, there are very few blue states, just a lot of blue cities. The secession may not be entire states at first, just have to cut off shitholes like Austin, Philadelphia, Atlanta, NOVA, etc. Starve them out if we have to.
You forgot Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston. 3 of the largest 9 cities in the country. All liberal. Honestly illegals voting is the least of Texas' problems. The media propaganda is much more prevalent concern. Anyone who lives in Texas urban or suburban environments has a list of native Texans they know who are libtard brainwashed.
I cant imagine a secession. Divided we are so vulnerable to the rest of the world. The dems own all the media and censor us out. Ebay is refusing the sale of Dr Suess books. Twitter and the other social media censoring us. Leaves us with out communication.They cheat in the elections. Its all rigged to their advantage. Open borders so that millions will flood in to change America forever. They will eventually cancel us right out our lives. Banks are all in on it too. We just need to take our country back not divide it. At some point we have to say NO. Not gonna accept it. Like this stupid covid bill at 2 T$. Insane. We cant keep doing this. Im afraid its time for a plan to draw a line in the sand and take back what our ancestors gave their lives for.
Texan is not that close to flipping blue. Look at how hard we voted for Trump even with fraud in our state. Stop illegals voting and we're as red as you can be.
If Texas really did go blue which I don't see happening anytime soon, this whole country is fucked. Dems will win every election without contest. Texas, NY, and California. Yeah. Texas is not a blue state. People's dementia on here rivals that of Biden it seems. Texas has been a beast for Trump.
Our best answers for a free society are probably going to need to be put in secession efforts. Because once people see that as a working example and the world just doesn't blow up, then we can take secession all the way down to the individual.
― Eric July
We must promote the idea of secession. Or more specifically, we must promote the idea of a world composed of tens of thousands of distinct districts, regions, and cantons, and hundred of thousands of independent free cities such as the present day oddities of Monaco, Andorra, San Marino, Liechtenstein, Hong Kong, and Singapore. Greatly increased opportunities for economically motivated migration would thus result, and the world would be one of small [classically] liberal governments economically integrated through free trade and an international commodity money such as gold.
― Hans-Hermann Hoppe
Once one concedes that a single world government is not necessary, then where does one logically stop at the permissibility of separate states? If Canada and the United States can be separate nations without being denounced as in a state of impermissible ‘anarchy’, why may not the South secede from the United States? New York State from the Union? New York City from the state? Why may not Manhattan secede? Each neighbourhood? Each block? Each house? Each person
― Murray N. Rothbard
Acts of rebellion which promote moral and political change must be nonviolent. And one of the most potent nonviolent alternatives in the country, which defies the corporate state and calls for an end to imperial wars, is the secessionist movement bubbling up in some two dozen states including Vermont, Texas, Alaska and Hawaii.
I never thought I'd say this, and I don't know much about it even being possible, but I'd be on board with it. The theft of an election, coupled with the election fraud bill they're most likely going to pass through, pretty much assures that we're not ever going to win another election. (I truly hope that's not the case, but I admit I'm running short on hope these days.) I don't really want to live in the same world as these communists who are throwing our constitution in the toilet. I'm scared for my daughter, and her kids, and their kids, and if there was a way to spare them from it, I would take it.
I know. I sound dramatic. But I think we've reached the point where we have to be.
A certain declaration of note started off with the following dramatic tone:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
This is the realest post. States that were red, will turn blue due to election law changes. We are already seeing them try to change election law. Mail in voting will be used for more fraud. Our country is becoming a former shadow of itself..anyone calling me a doomer isn't accepting reality.
Without secession, we are under the boot of the communists. They control the media, the academia, and all major online platforms. They won stole the House, Senate, and the Presidency. They will end the Electoral College, import tens of millions of low-IQ moochers (especially to Texas), add DC & PR statehood, and have total political control!
We need political migration to Republican-majority counties: ideally in solid-red states, and ideally not landlocked. Buy up all the land, vote out all the commies, and do Gandhi-style non-violent resistance until we are free!
Once the dam cracks, secession will take off all over the world (especially Russia, China, etc). Down with globalism, down with all empires, all power to Individual Rights and local communities between which people can vote with their feet!
When governments compete, brains and capital flow towards greatest economic freedom, socialism runs out of other people's money, and LIBERTY SHALL PREVAIL!
Back when I used to mod the Trump forum on Reddit... there were many people who believed this was a real photo for better or worse. Whenever someone new would post it, the lefties who wandered in would screech about it.
Honestly a peaceful divorce and restructuring is needed, period. The financial burden of the US has passed the critically unstable point. The new nation would need to be free of these burdens and keep a tight fiscal balanced budget. If parts of the us can break off bits at a time we can peacefully manage the decline of the US and the dollar.
It shouldn't be by states, IMO. Instead of the US splitting into 2 or more smaller countries, we just need to kick out the urban areas. Make the metropolis areas into micro countries that have to fend for themselves, or make them all free cities under the control of Washington, DC. The rest of the country can take the US Constitution, make a few fixes like term limits, restrictions on spying, etc. and form a newer better republic. The cities are the only shitty parts of the country. Wall them off and kick them out.
Maybe that's exactly what we should do...secede from the federal gov. States are supposed to make their own laws. This BS with the federal gov superceding state policy is BS.
Our power grids are all mixed. They go up into Canada too. Texas power grids don’t actually stop at the border of Texas. They continue and Texas on its own can lend power as the 3rd largest powerhouse in the worldz No federal restrictions if on our own so we’ll have plenty.
I want to kill all of the communists, jyhadis and and satanists to reclaim our country.
These devils will not stop if we try to run away. They will pursue us to the ends of the earth and dig us out of our holes one-by-one.
I think we should break the bigger states into smaller ones to get a better representation of the American public rather than invite another civil war, which is what the globohomo serpents want.
I wish. Seriously tell me what benefits there are to being part of the USA. I get to pay tax money to California (who leeches over 2/3s of all tax money) so that my economy can get fucked by Communist laws, and I get arrested if I suggest the FBI might just be an organization made up entirely of pedophilic fascists.
Meanwhile if we secede we can re-instate laws banning useless people from voting and kill Communism forever.
From a military perspective, wouldn't there be a war even if Texas were to legally secede? The number of military and federal bases there makes for a problem; they won't just give those up, besides considering the loss of a big state. The pressure from it could be an excuse to ratchet up excuses for a fight. I'm not sure what excuse they'd make for violating the secession rules to try to fuck over Texas, but pretty sure they'll try if secession happens. Probably say the secession was triggered by MAGA domestic terrorists and doesn't count.
Even though Texas is the only one with the secession path legally, a secession with red states together actually seems more plausible.
I would be in that car so fast
All aboard the freedom express.
William Wallace on the chopping block
......CHOO CHOOOOO
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Gulf States of America and by the way we own the space industry and have satellite laser beams
Unfortunately i do not live by the gulf lol. I live in new cuck aka cuck york lol
Move. I did.
From where to where if u dont mind me askin? Tryina gather some intel on places worth uprooting to
The only way to succeed is secede.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcyLvK-7JlE
FUCK RAND PAUL. That beta cuck voted for OPEN BORDERS (overturning Trump's border wall national emergency -- thank god it didn't get 2/3 btw) and for Xiao Bideng's electors on Jan 6th.
buncha QTARDS on here who love to masturbate to the Pauls despite the fact that they're fags.
That’s funny cause the quote says Ron Paul. They’re different ppl.
Agree with most of your sentiment tho. :)
They definitely ain't beta. Bunch of fucking qtards in here that cant tolerate a slightly different philosophy based politics
Ron Paul is great, even if he is over-idealistic and not all his ideas are good. For example, he doesn't like the border wall because he says a wall doesn't just lock others out but locks us in as well. The problem with the libertarian notion of open borders of course, is that all of the other aspects of our country and the countries we deal with are NOT libertarian, so libertarian ideals will just be taken advantage of. You can't have open borders and a massive social welfare state at the same time.
Similar problems with free trade where other countries will not act in a truly fair and "free" manner even if you do, so the libertarian just ends up getting screwed.
But, Ron Paul has been fighting hard and consistently for his beliefs for decades and its tough to find a much more honest and dedicated politician. He's one of the few who has pointed out and fought against exploitive monetary policy ("audit the fed.")
Rand Paul on the other hand, is just a bunch of words and was more than happy to throw everyone of us under the bus on January 6th with similar bullshit rhetoric as most of the other politicians. He pretends to be like his father but he doesn't have the same convictions.
Secession is not without its dangers overall, depending on how it is done. If the USA split up into 10 or more about equally powerful countries, and they didn't cooperate defensively reg. military, they would be extremely easy pickings for larger powers worldwide. Don't take defense and protection for granted ever. Though, not taking action is not a viable approach either.
Of course, you are a shill that have previously argued for no government , ( see https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), without any meaningful or sincere alternatives reg. how to defend the nation and country of the USA from external and foreign enemies and threats without a government (nor any meaningful approach to funding a military that way). It is obvious and blatant that you do not believe your own words and quotations at all. And you definitely like to spam quotations (just see this thread), seeking to direct and instill people into what and how they should think and how they should behave (which is blatantly obvious in for instance https://patriots.win/p/12hkTkUVxU/x/c/4Dx6XCDKyDo ). And you have extreme amounts of activity, and extreme comment and submission points, despite you registering your account on January 20th, 2021.
That's why I think we should remain as a union but break down the larger states into regions that better represent the local citizenry.
Too many people are governed by an ever-diminishing few and that can be easily remedied.
Tactical civics.com
I don't think reformation and change of certain aspects of government is sufficient at all whatsoever. Even with the most perfect government one can think of, it might well be all for nothing (or (much) worse than nothing) if large parts of the population are horrifyingly, ludicrously evil and wretched. Thus, an absolutely critical issue is what kinds of people there are, not superficially, but in depth. Especially if these people overall organize, plan and coordinate for the intentional and wilful purpose of destroying your country and nation and enslaving and exterminating you (and others).
One example among many, many, many different things ("drag queen story hour"): https://www.infowars.com/bombshell-another-drag-queen-story-hour-member-exposed-as-pedophile-report-says/ , https://archive.li/iDee1 , and also https://archive.li/REvKC :
You lost me when you cited to infowars.
Before that, I tried digesting your secession talk. Dumbest idea ever. That’s not patriotism, that’s destroying the country from within. Literally.
Yet I did not as such champion secession. Are you distracting and misrepresenting on purpose?
And the Infowars article is correct reg. at least some parts (and they link to primary sources even), see for instance https://archive.li/REvKC :
Sorry but I can’t deal with infowars and have no respect for it as a source. Alex Jones has showed himself to be unstable and a profiteer. What he has said and done about Sandy Hook alone is so low that I would never give him the satisfaction of another click on his website.
fr wtf is all this stupid ass talk about secession lmao are these niggas stupid or just stupid? succession has literally been da end goal of da commies since 45 brah this is what yuri n his niggas back in da soviet kgb been tryna do to us this entire time.
sow chaos and division inside da usa so that eventually this beautiful republic collapses like rome from within.
da russians n chinese know we’d ROCK them niggas anyday 2v1 in a war, so instead they been tryna weaken us from da inside like snakes bitch ass niggas and secession is literally da best thing that could happen for them. it would weaken america hella and even if just a few states secede, then it will begin da domino effect and da entire republic will inevitably collapse sooner or later after that.
look what happened to da soviets. at first only da baltics dipped out, but within 2 years da rest of da republics said fuck that this shit is wack lmao and left too. then u only had like kazackstan n belorussia or some shit left in da soviet union n you know aint nobody pretending around some weird shit like that lmao so then da ussr went poof.
only communists and dumb ass americans nonironically support succession gtfo here with that stupid shit lmao
Careful you let your black spill into your comment.
That's why a secession would HAVE to be done at the county level, if your surrounded by those leaving the Union, you'll be pressured into leaving yourself.
Is this true, though?
Then why aren't major world powers invading Britain and France every other week?
Sure, they're "invading" via immigration, but not militarily. The US remnant nations - the non-liberal/progressive ones, at least - would still retain nuclear power just as Russia did. Notice that Russia has not been invaded since the fall of the USSR, and Ukraine was not invaded until after they had given up their Nukes...and by Russia, which the rest of the world neither invaded nor declared war on...because Russia still has nukes.
The lesson from this:
If the US comes apart like the USSR did (every American should go and read the Wikipedia page on "The Dissolution of the USSR", it's actually a good read to see how a world superpower can fall apart when it's long overextended its military, finances, debt, and has Balkanized their own people where their member states just start saying they're independent and the central government can't really do anything about it), then many parts of it would likely end up with control of the nuclear weapons in their jurisdiction. As long as they don't give that away, they wouldn't be invaded.
Russia still has more than 140 million people and nuclear deterrents.
Whether they would retain nuclear power would very much depend on how things turn out. You cannot take that for granted.
How vulnerable the USA would be would depend on a number of things, but the smaller the countries would be, the easier they would be to invade. And for those of them without nuclear weapons, they would not have that deterrent. Furthermore, even if a state has a decent size, and enough to make military conquest difficult and considerably costly, a much smaller state is still much easier to pressure, to prevent trade for, to use indirect warfare such as mass immigration, etc.
And the power vacuum a division of the USA would cause would itself have dramatic consequences worldwide. And there would be multiple powers worldwide that would not be the slightest bit interested in letting the USA have any chance of uniting again.
Despite the existence of the USA, Canada is more or less controlled by foreign powers. And the groups there... English-speaking, French-speaking... even many decades ago Canada was not really a country or a nation, and at this point in time... and the USA with a humongous number speaking Spanish without speaking English...
Furthermore... Russia and the other countries that came into being after the USSR... after the decades with fully intentionally, planned and organized extreme genocides against ethnic Russians and others in the many millions... after culture being destroyed intentionally... etc. ... they have some capability, but they are still shells of what they used to be or could have been. And that is despite the absolute extreme resource wealth that Russia possesses.
And Russia was much, much, much more homogeneous and had a substantial number of ethnic Russians with a shared culture, languages, general genetic group (Slavs) than the USA is currently (though with considerable minorities, especially various Asian minorities - still nothing absolutely extreme as the USA).
Basically, secession is not without its dangers overall, depending on how it is done, for any country that has about 300-400 million citizens and is the world's super power. But the USA as a specific case is as far as I can tell in several critical aspects in an extremely much more worse and more dangerous situation.
I mean, most of this is true when the USSR fell. The larger states like Texas and Cali would be a lot like Russia and Ukraine. Granted, Russia was the biggest dog of the USSR and held a larger percentage than any single US state, but Ukraine was not exactly small, either.
It would depend on the fallout, but as noted, the USSR simply realized it could not maintain the nation militarily, and essentially gave up. They couldn't pay soldiers, and so knew that they could not use the military to maintain that force. This is the same thing that would happen in the US if it became insolvent.
The power vacuum is the big difference. Sorta.
When the USSR fell, the USA was still there as a Superpower. The axis shift to the West happened, but there was no total gap as the US (at great expense) moved in to fill the entire power vacuum, filling both its own half of the world AND the other half. Today, it's highly doubtful that the EU could fill in if the US created such a gap, and China, despite their ambitions, are still not capable of global power projection.
The problem is you're attempting to compare the whole of the USA to Russia.
A better comparison would be comparing California to Russia, Texas to Ukraine, the South to Eastern Europe, and so on.
And note that WHILE smaller states are easier to pressure and invade:
Who's going to invade them? The smallest population states are deep in the interior, meaning an invasion would have to cross in from the coasts or Canada (and Canada itself isn't likely to invade Wyoming)
You assume no coalitions will form, for example, the entire South would likely form at least a lose confederation for mutual aid. This is a poor assumption as many subregions of the US share culture and outlook. The entire West Coast would likely form a shared defense, if not a single nation, as would the South, with the Midwest, Mountain West, and Northeast/Mid-Atlantic all being potential confederations as well. The EU is a confederation, and even before that, the breakaway USSR states in Eastern Europe kind of banded together. Even within the EU, the Visegard Group exists today.
Who COULD invade them? If the USA were to cease to be on the Federal level, then much of the world would be in chaos. The US Navy provides security of the seas for convoys the world over. Along the East African coast, absent the US Navy, piracy would likely explode. It's FAR more likely that most nations would be more concerned with their local/regional interests and securing their own assets, not attacking minor former-states of a fallen nation. China would be more concerned with making a bunch of power moves in the South China Sea without the US there to stop it and with the EU being both unwilling (it won't even condemn China's concentration camps NOW) and unable (militarily) to contest it. Russia would likewise cement its holdings and be more interested in rattling Eastern Europe than invading Montana.
The only nation likely both willing AND able to invade any of the US would be Mexico, and that would be pretty limited to southwest New Mexico, as California and Texas would both easily be able to repel any likely invasion that Mexico could muster, Texas (at least) would likely have nukes, and Arizona likely have a massive militia as well (Texas has a lot of people and permissive gun laws, Arizona has EVEN MORE permissive gun laws). And given the global shakeup that the fall of the USA would cause, it's not all that likely Mexico would want to make such a move. And, again, Canada would not, so the north and central US would also be safe.
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I agree the entire scenario is crazy to even contemplate. But that's also why I point to the dissolution of the USSR as the next nearest counterpart. Mix that with some of the fall of Rome and you've got the most likely scenario of a fall of the USA:
A global dark age, withdraw of most major powers to their own local regions/spheres of influence, and lots of turtling up and sheltering in place.
But good critique of NullifyAndSecede, now do Anaconda.
Anaconda... I have trouble figuring him out. For instance, he attacked Tucker Carlson many months ago, and I was skeptical and came with counter-arguments, but Anaconda gave sources in return, some of which were somewhat valid. And then later Tucker Carlson began downplaying (weeks before the 2020 election) that Hunter Biden raped his 14 year old niece (all that with the laptop) and described him or his wife very positively, saying that he (Tucker Carlson) knew them personally...
Agreed. The reason I've been easy on Tucker Carlson is for a few reasons,
A. Fox News "protects" him, when the NYT was trying to dox him, and find out where he lives, Fox News threatened legal action.
B. The Fox News CEO is a raging Anti Trumper, and will protect the Democrats at any cost.
C. I actually agree with not goofing around with Hunter's Laptop from Hell, we should've been focused on JOE'S Pedophilia, same as if it was Donald Trump, focus on HIM, not Eric or Jr. The people who hate Tucker with a burning passion are usually VERY Inconsistent.
Hunter Biden was (and is?) very much involved in Joe Biden's scams, absolutely insanely extreme theft from the USA, etc. Including being directly involved with Ukraine. I don't see how he would not be 100% fair game and how Hunter Biden and his rape of his 14 year old niece and his hard drug abuse would not be fully relevant.
The problem is that normies DON'T CARE, we should've played the emotion game, put the people Joe Biden sexually assaulted on National TV, exposed his Pedophilia as well.
It's better than the Girls Gone Wild bus.
I’d be happy, just to hang onto the roof. Riding this train, Indian style, to Bangalore, baby.
GET IN FAGGOT! WE ARE MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
"Making America Again"
SAVE AMERICA 🇺🇸
You sum’ bitch! I thought you’d never ask!
Individually we are weak like a single twig, but as a bundle we form a mighty faggot.
Underrated comment. Take my updoot.
SecedeTaking our country back!The original candidate Trump meme
States' rights have been whittled away for decades, and before secession, they can claw them back. Some like Texas are slowly clawing them back before deciding to leave the Union.
It's going to get ugly from here with all kinds of crazy bullshit from the Biden regime as more and more Governors and legislatures tell him to go fuck himself!
I think we'd have to repeal the 17th amendment that stripped States of the ability to choose their Senators rather than make them elected just like the House. Without direct representation its harder to get those state rights back.
That's first on the list if we get a Convention of States. Having Senators that care more about a national political party instead of their constituents is a big part of how this thing got so messed up.
Or you know, just execute the federal government and all state governments for high treason and start over.
I'm sure the courthouse janitorial staff has it coming.
They havent quit yet so they picked there side
State assemblies can change their statewide elections to an electoral-style system as an end around of the 17th Amendment. Eliminate the biggest blue shitholes from single-handedly electing governors, senators, AGs, Sec. of States, etc. and you kill off the 17th Amendment and get your states rights back pretty quickly.
The problem is now getting any states to do it. Florida...are you listening? Texas? North Carolina?
The 17th amendment exists because there were vacancies because state legislatures were caught up in other matters.
Dominion is right.
It's what I call "Virtual Secession" and it's already starting, little by little. Although Oklahama took a huge step last week. https://patriots.win/p/12hkP3qNE6/oklahoma-passes-bill-to-block-bi/c/
This is the way my friends.
Too many pedes on here be like "Secession makes us weak, secession is treason", blah blah. They forget -- we seceded from the gay British Empire to form this nation. It was literally secession. Secession Works. We want it, now.
You'll get no argument from me. Just saying that states have many avenues before that.
I do agree. Been telling people I see the future is Nullificaiton. Secession only comes if the Federal government attempts to apply force instead of backing off.
no we dont stfu goofy commie. u aint havin any land brah this is all america land dumb ass snake ho
Ugh, this site was better when you weren't posting.
so it dont matter if u post or not nobody knows u
Worst novelty account ever.
idk u brah nobody does
Texas is close to flipping blue, and that is without dominion voting.
Remember, there are very few blue states, just a lot of blue cities. The secession may not be entire states at first, just have to cut off shitholes like Austin, Philadelphia, Atlanta, NOVA, etc. Starve them out if we have to.
You forgot Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston. 3 of the largest 9 cities in the country. All liberal. Honestly illegals voting is the least of Texas' problems. The media propaganda is much more prevalent concern. Anyone who lives in Texas urban or suburban environments has a list of native Texans they know who are libtard brainwashed.
I cant imagine a secession. Divided we are so vulnerable to the rest of the world. The dems own all the media and censor us out. Ebay is refusing the sale of Dr Suess books. Twitter and the other social media censoring us. Leaves us with out communication.They cheat in the elections. Its all rigged to their advantage. Open borders so that millions will flood in to change America forever. They will eventually cancel us right out our lives. Banks are all in on it too. We just need to take our country back not divide it. At some point we have to say NO. Not gonna accept it. Like this stupid covid bill at 2 T$. Insane. We cant keep doing this. Im afraid its time for a plan to draw a line in the sand and take back what our ancestors gave their lives for.
Texan is not that close to flipping blue. Look at how hard we voted for Trump even with fraud in our state. Stop illegals voting and we're as red as you can be.
Just (mostly illegal) Mexicans, really.
Very true. But if Texans aren't going to Back their governor and push out the commies, why would anyone else?
Because if you dont you'll never win another election again even without fraud dumbfuck
I'm on your side, pal. Might as well shoot yourself in the foot already if youre going to act like a child.
The left will win because of people like you who can't imagine any other viewpoint.
Stirring demoralization is not on my side
LOL! Telling people the truth isn't demoralizing. Blowing smoke up their ass that everything is fine is.
You're not even explaining your original point, if texas goes blue you lose.
You're a shill.
Texas, cali and a few leftist states permanently blue means you'll lose forever. You're fake. You're a cuck. You're not MAGA.
If Texas really did go blue which I don't see happening anytime soon, this whole country is fucked. Dems will win every election without contest. Texas, NY, and California. Yeah. Texas is not a blue state. People's dementia on here rivals that of Biden it seems. Texas has been a beast for Trump.
Yup, Texas has been trending blue for decades. You have been downvoted for telling the truth. Meanwhile the left is in control.
People are putting their heads in the sand. I blame people moving from Cali to TX.
Can we fit Florida?
Slaps roof of car.
"This bad boy can fit so many f*&king patriotic states in it."
The real questions is who can’t we fit?
I'm curious if you're capable of forming an independent thought
Right? That user does respond sometimes but it’s so cryptic I never gave a shit to reply. I still don’t.
"An international house of pancakes in one state isn't truly international"
thats facts tho
Lol
He's also an anarchist, basically middle school tier philosophy.
HALLELUJA!!
I never thought I'd say this, and I don't know much about it even being possible, but I'd be on board with it. The theft of an election, coupled with the election fraud bill they're most likely going to pass through, pretty much assures that we're not ever going to win another election. (I truly hope that's not the case, but I admit I'm running short on hope these days.) I don't really want to live in the same world as these communists who are throwing our constitution in the toilet. I'm scared for my daughter, and her kids, and their kids, and if there was a way to spare them from it, I would take it.
I know. I sound dramatic. But I think we've reached the point where we have to be.
At this point, anyone who doesn't sound dramatic isn't paying attention.
A certain declaration of note started off with the following dramatic tone:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
This is the realest post. States that were red, will turn blue due to election law changes. We are already seeing them try to change election law. Mail in voting will be used for more fraud. Our country is becoming a former shadow of itself..anyone calling me a doomer isn't accepting reality.
Wait doesn't the Senate need 60 votes to actually pass it into law?
SHOTGUN!
Oh Lord 😝🤣💵🦅🔥
👨🚀 "You mean the election was rigged?"
🔫 "ALWAYS HAS BEEN!"
That is very close to a quote from Ron Klain!
Woah woah watch where you point that racist squirt gun, BIGOT!
If we can't drain the swamp, we must all move out of it.
Trump was USA's very last chance!
After that... the only way to MAGA is:
SECESSION!
SECESSION!
SECESSION!
DEMAND #REXIT - RED
STATECOUNTY INDEPENDENCE!25% ALREADY SUPPORT IT!
Without secession, we are under the boot of the communists. They control the media, the academia, and all major online platforms. They
wonstole the House, Senate, and the Presidency. They will end the Electoral College, import tens of millions of low-IQ moochers (especially to Texas), add DC & PR statehood, and have total political control!We need political migration to Republican-majority counties: ideally in solid-red states, and ideally not landlocked. Buy up all the land, vote out all the commies, and do Gandhi-style non-violent resistance until we are free!
UPVOTE ALL POSTS ABOUT SECESSION!
HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
Once the dam cracks, secession will take off all over the world (especially Russia, China, etc). Down with globalism, down with all empires, all power to Individual Rights and local communities between which people can vote with their feet! When governments compete, brains and capital flow towards greatest economic freedom, socialism runs out of other people's money, and LIBERTY SHALL PREVAIL!
Are we? I'm ready to move!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“GET IN PUSSY!!! WE’RE SECEDING!!!”
I am down for this
Get me all excited.... may have accidentally creamed myself.. absolutely down AF!!!! Jefferson State checkin in!!!! <3 MAGA2021
Lawyers, guns and money
Back when I used to mod the Trump forum on Reddit... there were many people who believed this was a real photo for better or worse. Whenever someone new would post it, the lefties who wandered in would screech about it.
Honestly a peaceful divorce and restructuring is needed, period. The financial burden of the US has passed the critically unstable point. The new nation would need to be free of these burdens and keep a tight fiscal balanced budget. If parts of the us can break off bits at a time we can peacefully manage the decline of the US and the dollar.
End The Fed!!!!!
It shouldn't be by states, IMO. Instead of the US splitting into 2 or more smaller countries, we just need to kick out the urban areas. Make the metropolis areas into micro countries that have to fend for themselves, or make them all free cities under the control of Washington, DC. The rest of the country can take the US Constitution, make a few fixes like term limits, restrictions on spying, etc. and form a newer better republic. The cities are the only shitty parts of the country. Wall them off and kick them out.
45, You sunofabitch, I am in!
Sir, I was already in months ago.
I feel like his response to this would be the exact same response to “create a new party“
I’m in!
I'm actually down. Too bad DeWine is actually the biggest faggot on earth
How would we even go about seceding, anyway? Especially in states with clown leaders?
You wouldn't. It's a pipe dream unfortunately
Maybe that's exactly what we should do...secede from the federal gov. States are supposed to make their own laws. This BS with the federal gov superceding state policy is BS.
19th president!
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Individually we are weak like a single twig, but as a bundle we form a mighty faggot.
With you in a flash a mussel flash.
Get this updooted to 1776.
like I've said before.... how can any state secede besides Texas? They all rely on federal power grid
Our power grids are all mixed. They go up into Canada too. Texas power grids don’t actually stop at the border of Texas. They continue and Texas on its own can lend power as the 3rd largest powerhouse in the worldz No federal restrictions if on our own so we’ll have plenty.
Any state that 'contributes' more money to the Fed than it gets can easily walk away with it's own sovereignty.
I actually don't want to secede.
I want to kill all of the communists, jyhadis and and satanists to reclaim our country.
These devils will not stop if we try to run away. They will pursue us to the ends of the earth and dig us out of our holes one-by-one.
I think we should break the bigger states into smaller ones to get a better representation of the American public rather than invite another civil war, which is what the globohomo serpents want.
Or succeeding?
No fuck that we're taking America back from these communist cunts and crashing communism forever. They will secede from US.
https://patriots.win/p/12hkYVjGuU/jeb-bush-is-a-mess----heard-at-a/
If you MAGA read this
https://patriots.win/p/12hkYVizWk/matt-braynard-needs-volunteers-i/
YES SIR!
This is the only way forward. But no one is actually doing it. It's maddening.
Please. Texas start this shit already
I wish. Seriously tell me what benefits there are to being part of the USA. I get to pay tax money to California (who leeches over 2/3s of all tax money) so that my economy can get fucked by Communist laws, and I get arrested if I suggest the FBI might just be an organization made up entirely of pedophilic fascists.
Meanwhile if we secede we can re-instate laws banning useless people from voting and kill Communism forever.
Please save me in NY
If it happens, it'll be over 2A, and unless the Senate grows a set, that's where we're headed...
I wish...
Room for one more, laddies?
If HR1 passes the Senate that needs to happen.
This image has been fact checked and claims about succession are untrue.
From a military perspective, wouldn't there be a war even if Texas were to legally secede? The number of military and federal bases there makes for a problem; they won't just give those up, besides considering the loss of a big state. The pressure from it could be an excuse to ratchet up excuses for a fight. I'm not sure what excuse they'd make for violating the secession rules to try to fuck over Texas, but pretty sure they'll try if secession happens. Probably say the secession was triggered by MAGA domestic terrorists and doesn't count.
Even though Texas is the only one with the secession path legally, a secession with red states together actually seems more plausible.