Over 70% of valedictorian are female, and women outnumber men at campuses, so there is definitely something to this. The whole anti-"toxic" masculinity movement has been around as an anti-masculinity movement for years. Teaching is full of bitter women with divorces that take their issues out on male students.
There are lots of other structural reasons why girls outperform boys, but in general grading isn't so much about raw test achievement so much as jumping through hoops of compliance. This leads to too much subjectivity in grading, and inevitably leads itself towards heavy bias by teachers. Male students statistically perform better on tests, yet end up with lower GPAs? It's silly.
I know this wasn't the point of this post, but it is just something to think about.
I get the point and it is important. Teachers are the ones who most often convince parents that their sons suffer from ADHD. The major symptoms of which are simply being a boy.
The young men are dosed with Ritalen to the point where they miss the emotional growth that comes with puberty. But at least teachers, with half their students tranquilized, can get through the day without having to exercise authority.
My mother went back to teaching after raising two sons. She could not believe how passive the boys in her classroom were.
Girls do better in school these days because they are competing with boys who are doing the equivalent a bunch of bong-hits every morning before getting on the bus.
The workplace defines a different manner of extreme disparity. Across 139 occupation types, men are 10x more likely than women to be killed at their job.
How do we as a proper global society undo this bigoted marginalization of women by affording them equivalent opportunities in the form of stress-agency and peril-capacity?
I don’t. I treat the young men I come across in school as young men and urge them to become better men. I am a man in the public school system and allow boys to be boys. What’s hilarious is that the students want to be around me 9 times out of 10 because I treat them as equals rather than trying to indoctrinate them and be absolutely hysterical about COVID (only the womenx teachers are hysterical about COVID, especially the double maskers).
I had a parent that was like my son has this, that and the other that is wrong with him, what do I think is wrong with him? I looked at her in gobsmacked disbelief and said “He’s a boy. He wants to play. I know it is sometimes hard to keep his attention, but he’s a great student and nothing is wrong with him. He’s incredibly smart.” This parent thinks something is wrong with her boy, there’s not. He’s gifted, yet they’ve been brainwashed in thinking because he has a hard time paying attention that he’s got something fundamentally wrong with him and they’re getting him tested for multiple issues. I see a lot of myself in this kid because he’s smart, but has trouble paying attention when something is boring or easy. I have to keep him on the same level as others despite him needing to be on a more advanced level.
Respect to you man. Be the father and mentor that kid needs. Why are these roles reversed??! Back in the day it was the teacher telling the parent “your kid is useless and something is wrong” and the parent would then retort with “no retard, my kid is super smart”. I can’t believe you’re defending this kid from his own parents
I wish I knew. Believe me, I was like “Is this a serious question?” in my head, and it was. I especially tuned out when talk of holistic oils being used to help him focus.
Good grief. Sometimes I wonder whether us keeping silent in these moments is really what is destroying America. What do you think of giving that kids parents a good talking to? Maybe it might knock some sense into them. The risk is that they pull the kid out of the school and the kid might lose his only mentor though which would suck bigtime. I dunno, you seem wiser than me, but I just wanted to make a suggestion :)
Yeah, the way a teacher could traditionally talk to a parent just does not exist anymore. The moment they get pissy, they’ll go to our cowardly administration, BOE, or Facebook to air their grievances (all of these things are consistent to what parents do about their little Johnny or Susie if you even try to go outside your lane). I told the parent my belief, if they wish to accept my position, they can. Your suggestion would work in a non-helicopter, woke parent world, but the reality is it’s all fucked anymore.
I appreciate the compliment. I just try to make sure to instill intrinsic value with the students because so many don’t have positive male role models in their lives. It’s kind of hilarious to me that the students enjoy learning under me because I’m a hard ass, come correct and do it right or don’t come at all and I will hand out an F in a heartbeat. I have no time for laziness, I only have time to teach and educate how to think critically. I treat my current students like I treated the college students I used to teach. I only got put into this position because of COVID and the school is desperate to make sure students don’t fall behind.
Also, I’m one of the few people that allows them to be children and I refuse to treat the students like Petri dishes, I treat the masks like Petri dishes (which they damn well are). I think that may be another reason why I’m liked, I’m very “liberal” when it comes to enforcing patently absurd guidelines.
Technically, Ritalin is a stimulant. It's meant to help people focus attention.
Do I think some of what is being diagnosed as ADHD is something else? Yes. But I think it's more than "boys being boys" (meaning energetic, I presume). For example, I truly believe our diet is affecting a lot of this.
I say this as someone with ADHD. After I changed my diet from heavy on the junk-food to more healthy foods and cut out the soda, I made great changes in my ADHD. I am convinced that soda shouldn't be given to children, and they should have minimum added-sugar based foods.
Soda doesnt react with everyone the Same. Back when I was a kid I was the only kid in school allowed to have soda because it chilled me out. Since then tests have resulted in caffeine having the opposite of the normal effect on some who have ADHD. Instead of a burst of energy, it calms and helps focus. I can easily down 3 cups of coffee and a couple sodas in a couple hours and go to sleep.
I used to drink a shit ton of caffeine to relax and focus. Now I take ritalin and its a cheaper (to me) and healthier alternative (monster energy) but they didnt put me on it as a kid fortunately i was able to mostly develop naturally
I'm very thankful to have Concerta now since it lessens the frequency of the arguments I used to have with my husband over my not listening to him. However, I'm wary of medicating growing brains. My son is 8, and, boy, his attention span is even shorter than mine. It would be great if some other attention-deficit pedes chime in about whether we should consider medication for him.
I, an adult male definitely have ADHD, I remember growing up and teacher after teacher telling my parents that I needed to be medicated to be a better student. Problem was, that I was a GREAT student. I always excelled at learning and pretty much was always ahead of the curve al through school, I just couldn’t help being fidgety and a bit overactive. What little boy isn’t though? I’m so happy my parents never medicated me. Once I got into med school past age 21 I actually did start taking medications and honestly have to admit it helps me a LOT. My wife likes it when I’m regularly taking my meds, I do too. But I am still happy I never had it as a growing child, I have a young boy now who is very hyper like I was, and I’m sure I’ll have teachers try to get him on meds but I just think kids need to be kids and really don’t want to teach him from a young age that he needs medication to be ‘normal’. I worry how many literal kids I see now days on several medications...
I think young children are just naturally attention-deficit, so to speak. Expecting them to sit still is unrealistic and, IMO, cruel. Funny story from when I taught Sunday School for 4- and 5-year-olds. I don't remember why, but one day we didn't have any chairs, so they had to do their lesson standing at the tables. I have never had a better-behaved class than I had that day. My daughter's school at our previous duty station was on to this concept; her second-grade class room had all kinds of "alternative seating" like giant balls, couches, and those egg-shaped chairs than hang from the ceiling. Idk, maybe my son just needs a fidget. I was fidgeting before it was cool, you know.
I never took anything as a child, but I am somewhat considering it now in my middle age. But it is hard to tell if it is stress or ADHD right now. I slipped recently and my diet has too much junk in it; enough that I gained 20 pounds in one year.
I'm trying natural methods first, keeping in mind that people with ADHD are more sensitive to inadequate sleep, poor diet, and lack of exercise. I'm working on all these first, then seeing if I need meds.
If he is not developing properly socially and doesn’t do well in learning you may want to consider it, and keep a close eye. Now the definition of those things is up to you because by commie standards all boys should be on it. I basically got very good grades and spent all of my time doing homework (because of the inattentiveness) so my social development is stunted to this day, but I’m happy with where I am. When I started in college it was like night and day with being able to talk to more than one person at a time for example, and being able to have some relief as far as being able to focus and not be in a haze all the time. But there are other things that you can try like diet and whatnot. Frankly I now choose to take a dose that allows me to not get parking tickets and rear end people, but thats about it, the other shit I am used to and my employment is stable. Basically if your son is low attention span but he’s happy and on the right path, maybe check back in when he starts middle school and then high school. He is just barely a cognizant human at that age afterall. There can be a lot of suffering but if he finds something he likes to do (i took apart and put together things all the time, and now I am on a technical career path) and friends that like him and interact with him properly then he is good until perhaps he is independent (driving, paying bills, knowing where his wallet is etc). Sometimes you can get by but the amount of effort it takes just to function is decreased by the medication. You should definitely research things like exercise and diet and try and see if you notice a difference. If you think stimulants would help him give him sudafed and/or coffee if you feel comfortable and see what that does. You can pm me if you want more input because i know you can’t trust a doctor
Well if you drink caffeine and you get zen or even sleepy instead of jittery then you may have it. But the definition of having it is the problems it causes so if coffee is enough that’s just your lifestyle. I for one hit the coffee ceiling because its not effective enough. Still drink a while pot ever day though
So can I! My husband looks at me nuts with coffee in hand 1 hour before bed. Sleep like a baby. Our son is the same way. Benedryl makes him and I hyper so does any pain medication.
I used to drink a stupid amount of mt dew. I could drink a 20oz right before bed with no issues. I've since changed my diet, but will have one from time to time. If I drink one in the evening now, the caffeine will keep me up all night.
My husband’s nephew has been on Ritalin since he was six. But that’s not the kid’s actual problem. His dad treats him like shit, and he has diagnosed celiac’s disease. His dad doesn’t know (and doesn’t care to learn) how to deal with him without yelling, and his mom refuses to move the kid to a gluten free diet because “we tried it for a week and didn’t see a change.” The poor kid is also gifted and his parents can’t handle his level of intelligence.
Yeah, well, I had the same problems as a kid. My mom fixed it by taking me off gluten and dairy and getting me in as much gifted-ed as possible.
Environmental factors heavily influence ADHD behavior. Diet is a HUGE issue for a lot of these kids.
I cannot believe how easily people will give children mind altering drugs, that can cause them to get addicted and can result in depression and brain damage after long-time use. sauce
Especially when there are so many other factors that could be changed in a child's life to improve their behavior that does NOT include DRUGGING them.
I weep for our nephew. It’s really really sad. And the worst part is that his parents really do love him but are too lost in their “listen to the experts” belief to explore alternate avenues for helping him. He’s not a bad kid, just smart and frustrated.
I wish I could take him for the summer, get him off the meds and gluten, give him some encouragement, and let him tinker around in our barn. Let him make messes. Do his thing. He loves robotics, but thanks to the Ritalin, he probably won’t achieve what he could have.
I hate to hear about the child's situation; that's awful. But your comment on gifted makes a lot of sense. I think more students who are pegged for ADHD need to be tested to see if they are gifted; they may not be intellectually simulated enough in class, and it shows up in behavior.
I had several classmates who were on Ritalin and the gifted ed program. My brother and I both fell into that category too. I’ve thanked my mom many times for refusing the school’s demands to put us on medication.
Gifted kids are just different and get super fucking bored in normal school. It comes with a few other issues as well. But we spend something like 17x the amount of money on special ed for kids at the other end of the IQ spectrum than we do for the most intelligent.
Stimulants have an inverse effect on hyperactivity. There was a few times as a kid my parents gave me coffee to calm me down. Same principle, much more potent stimulant given every. single. day.
Then they go on to be addicted to energy drinks and think meth is a great idea because their body chemistry has shifted to expect a stimulant every day.
The problem is that hyperactivity is supposed to be NORMAL for children, especially boys. Suppressing normal behavior through drugs is just the movie Equalibrium coming into play.
I think the issue is that the education system, which is somewhat a relic of the 18th century, is somewhat unnatural. Humans aren't supposed to learn by sitting on their ass for 8 hours a day, they're supposed to learn by doing things with their parents and older siblings (helping out on the farm, putting stuff together, hunting when they're old enough).
We have standing desks and things like Cubiis nowadays. Why can't we have a row of desks in the back of the room that convert to standing desks, and the hyperactive children can stand and learn? Why can't we have a child version of a Cubii for the hyperactive kids? Let them get this mild form of exercise while learning. There have to be ways to work with children, instead of against them.
I think they are called "open concept" schools in Japan that address this wonderfully. There are some... abysmal attempts to recreate them in the US that I'm not so sure about. A lot of homeschoolers allow the kids plenty of active and outdoors time. Not just regulated recesses on a concrete pad, but outdoors in the woods and real world.
There is actually a significant amount of research and existing models on how kids should best be schooled in active environments, but it won't ever happen at the hands of a teacher's union. They think it would be far too much work, even though one of the praises for the model in Japan is that the teachers find the kids to be much easier to manage. The teacher has to actually allow the class to be noisy and active, instead of disciplining them for being disruptive. And you actually, literally need an open floor plan for that noise level to be manageable for most adults.
Active environments sounds great! I wish there could be catering to learning styles. Some are doers; some are readers; some are listeners. But I think almost all people actually learn well by doing. It activates more parts of the brain, and thus makes it stick better.
The Japanese methods sound like something America needs to investigate.
Hyperactivity and ADHD need to have a well defined threshold. When its interfering with their learning in the classroom or daily tasking, it needs to be addressed for their benefit. If intervention helps THEM (not us), then it should be investigated. With my boys, they're on a non-stimulant. It's enough of a help that they're doing well in class and not zombies. In fact, it makes me look at my daily Coffee&Monster routine with a question.
I don't want to be rude, but I have nothing nice to say about anyone drugging their children to make them "more normal." It doesn't matter if it's valerian root and chamomile tea, it's NOT parenting.
If they can't fit in the class, maybe it's the class, and not the CHILD that is the problem?
Nah man it's not about making them "more normal". Its about helping them be able to focus on the task they're doing. The kiddo's personalities aren't changed, demeanor the same, energy the same. They simply have a little more impulse control and can be shifted back to what they need to actually be focusing on.
Anyone who is trying to make a child "more normal" isn't treating ADHD. They're treating bad parenting, by performing more bad parenting.
Additionally.... I had a hard stop before medicinal intervention. My kid was being left behind because not being able to stay focused on class because, you know, video games and the pets are more fun. I absolutely do not regret changing my mind on this as he's much happier and no longer being left behind in school.
Also, fuck anyone who wants to hate on him because he's not "normal". I'm not raising him to fit to their social norms and expectations. I won't even preface that with "I don't want to be rude" because those who would judge him don't deserve a kind response.
Don't take that last part personally... your response seems like the opposite of those people.
Its about helping them be able to focus on the task they're doing. The kiddo's personalities aren't changed, demeanor the same, energy the same. They simply have a little more impulse control and can be shifted back to what they need to actually be focusing on.
There is little evolutionary incentive for young boys to be still, non-competitive and complacent. Those traits would lead to starving or getting eaten by something else. Boys needed guided with discipline not coddling.
You average boy in America spends more time during their formative years with women (overwhelming percentage of teachers in elementary, middle school and high scool and also record number of single moms) than any time in history. This is a problem. Look the direction society has turned.
Women do many things well. Raising boys alone into confident, competent and productive men is not one of them.
A strong independent woman is great. Our boys need more than that.
There is a time for stillness and a time for activity. Boys need more activity than girls, but they also need to learn how to be still and to observe; think of the inventors and great thinkers of the past. They learned a great deal by observing and thinking. Hunters also dealt with a great deal of waiting and observing in order to succeed--waiting for prey to get closer, observing tracks, etc.
Undiagnosed but can guarantee I have ADHD as well..... Give me some Blink-182 and a purple monster and I'm programming for hours on end without realizing how long it has been. I've actually been told "It's okay to go home".
I do worry about children receiving any ongoing medication; they are growing so fast, that it just seems risky. That's why I prefer out of the box ideas first--think about food, diet, exercise, stress, sleep, relationships, intellectual stimulation, etc. Tweak those to the best fit, then consider drugs if that is the only recourse remaining.
That reminds me of a study I read in a book once a upon a time (there's my ADHD for you; can't remember where for the life of me). But it basically indicated that similar behavior between males and females in authority positions at a job can be interpreted differently. Basically, a female boss can act the same as a male boss, but the female will be viewed as a bitch and the male as authoritative. There is some "deep-set" instinct at play, I think--likely learned.
The interesting thing to me, after travelling around the world, the men here aren't very masculine. It has been subverted and vilified to the point hat even the most masculine men I see here are just very watered down versions of what I've seen in some other countries. Sad, but true. And they still call it 'toxic'. I, honestly, had to travel around the world to even learn what masculinity was - and when I'm here, I don't dare act like that. It won't go over well.
It disgusts me, as someone at a university, when the bitches in the classes start complaining about the poor oppression of women, and then I mention "60% of the students here are women" they usually immediately go "but not in math or science." Not even for a second do they stop and go, wait, maybe we're not being oppressed by men at this school? Ultimately, even if it were 90% women, they would still complain about being oppressed. Men can't have a single discipline that they have the majority of at a school, only when every discipline is 90% women will they stop complaining. Believe me, if women made up only 40% of college students, they would be rioting, but it's just fine if men are only 40%.
Is that really why women don't like math? I'm a woman and I love math and hate people, because people are full of drama and you can't apply algorithms to them.
Idk how you can make math more "girl-friendly." I know there's much less rote memorization now and more of a focus on the underlying ideas. But math was always my favorite subject, and my daughter is really good at it, too. I read that part of the problem may be female elementary school teachers who aren't good at math. I know my son's second grade teacher says she's "not a math person." And this sends the message to girls that math is too hard? Idk.
Remember in the 2016 election they were passing around the idea that America would not be "equal" to women until their had been 45 female presidents in a row. That's how far they are willing to move any goalpost on a dime.
It goes to show why it isn't in math and science. Otherwise they would realize that to over represented in some domains you must be under represented in others.
Men major in math and science because those are some of the few majors in universities that will actually provide a return on investment. Women are more likely to major in some leisure major with no future prospects. Colleges took advantage of this fact by creating a bunch more of those useless majors to make more money.
Yeah, Masters in social work, and PhDs in Psychology. 120K student loan debt so they could get a job making 60K a year lol. Plus, don't even get me started on the reproducibility rates in those fields; they can hardly be called "science" anymore. Actually, there might be some correlation there...
Psychology wasn't ever considered a science until the 20th century, it was more of a philosophical art. However, when you take away the metaphysical understanding of man from the discipline then you have to push it as a science even if the rates of actually curing people is like 0.
Psychology has its uses, but judging by the state of modern man, it surely doesn't seem to be working as intended.
We created an actual "science of the mind" it's called Neurology. Neurology and Psychology never seem to agree on anything, yet they are both treated as valid.
Your comment on compliance reminds me of something I read in an ADHD book. The school system was meant to create that compliance because it was meant to move farmer type people into city/factory jobs that require compliance and predictable behavior.
Gatto was a public school teacher for 30 years in New York City and even won New York State Teacher of the Year. He finally got sick of all the BS and started writing books and traveling to give speeches about the true nature of "public" (government) education. So many of the "failures" of the educational system are not failures at all, the system is functioning exactly as it was designed! That just happens to be completely contrary to what parents and the general public believe and are taught the purpose of public education is.
Instead of creating self-sufficient, morally upright, independent thinkers and problem solvers steeped in academics and the accumulated wisdom of the ages, the educational system was remolded to the Prussian system to create obedient, unquestioning people that are trained to be "just competent enough" to do their jobs but not curious enough to become a "problem" to those powerful interests who desire to plan the world and sell their future to the rest of us.
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There is also another good book with tons of documentation to back up this same agenda that is called
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt
You can download a PDF (7.4 MB + 1 MB Updated Info) here:
From her website: "Iserbyt is an American freelance writer who served as the Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first term of U.S. President Ronald Reagan."
"She is the author of Back to Basics Reform or OBE Skinnerian International Curriculum, 1985 (58 pages) and The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, 1999 (700 pages) and the 2011 updated/abridged version."
"Back to Basics Reform or OBE Skinnerian International Curriculum, 1985, documents her experiences working as Sr. Policy Advisor, U.S. Dept. of Education, where she was privy to past and future plans to restructure American education from traditional academics to values clarification (change from traditional moral values to humanist values) and global workforce training, using tax-funded private education /charter schools without elected boards, and the Skinnerian mastery learning/outcomes-based methodology in conjunction with computers. Her 700-page The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, 1999, and the updated/abridged version of 2011, contains a chronological record starting in the 1800s, of the “deliberate dumbing down” of not just the USA, but of the world."
Over 70% of valedictorian are female, and women outnumber men at campuses, so there is definitely something to this.
Sure women dominate men in student numbers, but guess what? Women mostly dominate in the arts and social sciences, which don't often translate to high paying jobs thereby leading them to a life of student debt baggage. Men continue to strongly outnumber in the fields which truly matter when it comes to keeping civilization running: STEM and trades.
No, it's actually very related. I'm not sure what studies say about your latter point, but I'd like to see the data. Sowell, Peterson et. al. have been debunking this for years now. But have you ever seen their "opponents"? They won't listen to the logic.
A few years ago the nurses in my unit tried to give me some fucked up assignment where they gave me 1 patient on the total opposite side of the unit. The reason was he was "sexually inappropriate toward women."
This patient was in restraints and had a 1:1 sitter with him 24/7. They thought that because I was a "man," he should go with me. I normally wouldn't have really cared, other than the fact that in a 24 hour period, I was the ONLY male nurse on that unit. Completely fed up with the fact that for 80% of the time a female would be taking care of this patient (and they'd be taking turns) and I would be taking care of him 100% of the time I would be there, I asked the charge nurse "What do you guys do with this patient when I'm not here?" She replied "We just deal with it", so I said "so why not just "deal with it" when I am here?"
They lost their shit, complaining that I didn't want to be a team player, "we're women and don't have to be subjected to the "verbal sexual abuse" (From an obviously mentally impaired patient).
I basically just told them that I think they're all very capable, strong, professional women who have the ability to ask for help when they need it, and do not have to single me out and give me the "aggressive, or verbally abusive patients" whenever I come to work. Their behavior abruptly stopped.
Strong, and brave when it fits their current narrative/objective. They love to play both sides depending on which side allows them to be a victim in the current moment. It’s always ultimately about maintains and gaining power and control over others.
I’ve been specifically asked to be involved with potentially violent mental Heath patients just because I am a male and 95% of our staff in inpatient mental health are women. It’s a VA hospital so most of our patients are male combat veterans, who could honestly do a lot of damage if they wanted to.
It’s still really sexists for them to call just because they need muscle. It’s almost like they are forced to acknowledge sexual dimorphism in humans.
Same with my experience. Every time except for 1. She was new to the position and in way over her head. I was training her how to manage the store because I learned a lot of the procedures from the DM that really liked me for being a hard worker. He also knew I was trying to work my way up into a corporate position. But when she got hired, she relied on me for everything. Was nice and really valued me and my opinion. Until the day I gave her my 2 weeks notice to work at a different job at a place 250 miles away. As soon as I gave her that envelope, she turned into a major cunt to me and was as bad as some of the worst women bosses I've ever had. I don't include her with all of them really, as she was really decent for the couple years I worked with her except for those last 2 weeks. Within a year of me leaving, she ran that store into to the ground and they closed it for good because of it. I think that everyone working there finally got to see just how much they relied on me to do things there and they couldn't get enough people to do everything I was doing alone. I don't care a single bit because of how she treated me those last 2 weeks I was there. But yeah. After being under a couple of other female bosses since then, I've come to decide to never have one again. They are all horrible and miserable people, and I have a large enough sample size to prove it. And now all these days with them trying to cancel men they don't like? Nobody can pay me any amount of money in the world to have a female boss. I'll work with men who don't rule by emotions and don't have the time or desire to get back at people who they don't like
One of the many perks of being an engineer is I have yet to have a female boss. It was especially great at my last job because I could hide in the ladies' room and play on my phone, and no managers could catch me. 😁
“All (female) nurses are fucking nuts.” 15 years of healthcare here. I sort of shrugged this off the first time I heard it but I totally believe it now. Men, don’t date nurses especially the ones that stay on hospital floors. And don’t get me started on their unhealthy habits and BMIs.
Can confirm unhealthy habits and BMI in many. I’ll never understand someone who joins the frontlines of healthcare only to be someone who can’t be trusted with their own health. I’d be embarrassed to be an obese healthcare worker even if I was just the person working the computer at intake.
My aunt was an obese nurse. She had to walk around with a wheeled oxygen tank and could only work in a halfway house for troubled teens. She said nurses' break areas are filled cakes and donuts and other snacks nurses bring in to share.
As busy as they seem to be they are inherently lazy especially on long shifts. They eat like crap. People constantly bring unhealthy food into the hospital.
Men, don’t date nurses especially the ones that stay on hospital floors. And don’t get me started on their unhealthy habits and BMIs.
I am in touch with a nurse I’m considering dating, and now I’m really curious to hear any advice that you have on this topic. Please don’t skimp on the details. Thanks!
For the unhealthy BMI and habits, it generally comes from not enough time for breaks. They don’t have enough time to eat properly and frequently have to grab quick food on the go. This means junk food. Large quantities of caffeine. Not much chance to get a bathroom break. Low staffing and high stress. Longer than typical hours. Extra shifts.
It all adds up quick to make someone who eats unhealthy, is very stressed out, is chronically low on sleep, and who gets UTIs frequently.
The bad eating habits are never an excuse IMHO. You can fast most of the day and OMAD, or make sure to buy healthy snacks and meal prep on days off to always have healthy foods with you. Working out may be a little tricker, but you should still be able to get three solid workouts in a weeks. People just like to make excuses and be lazy IMHO.
Most hospital floor nurses work for one or two years to get critical care/hospital experience. This is totally normal and usually the ones with any sense leave hospital nursing to work in a doctors office or 100s of other places. I wouldn’t be as scared of this type of nurse. The ones you should avoid are the ones that stay in the hospital for long periods of time. Hospitals have unlimited amounts of gross, emotion and death. Anyone who thrives in that environment as the primary caregiver is not normal. The whole “I’m here to help people who can’t help themselves” thing is for nursing school. The smart ones see how fucked up the system and patients in most cases are. Droves of welfare queens and countless do nothings drain the life out of great nurses while the taxes from the nurses paycheck go to taking care of the unappreciative and undeserving. If you thrive in that or don’t see what’s really wrong with the system you are nuts. Also, nurses tend to be sexually insane partially because they are in situations that make normal people uncomfortable and they let it enter their sex life and are freaks. Hope that helps. Don’t let me discourage you just feel the process out like a rational individual.
I worked in a really big steel factory that’s been in business for decades and apparently there’s only ever been 1 female employee who worked on the floor and she was only there for a couple of years. It was a really dirty, physical job that required hard work and attention to detail but it paid really well and offered the full range of benefits.
The clerical jobs for the company, however, were all taken by females which makes sense because they’re a lot cleaner and they’re not physically demanding and there’s air conditioning. It’s been the same story with other big metal processing companies that I’ve worked for where the office/HR staff is female but the shop is 100% male.
Notice that there is no interest for women to break the glass ceiling in sewage jobs, sanitation workers (ever see a female garbage worker?) roofers, or lawn mowing companies. I live in the south all my life and have never seen a female once, not once in any of these positions.
That's somewhat similar to FedEx Ground. Plenty of women work there loading and unloading the trailers, but it never fails that after a while they drift towards smalls (putting tiny ass boxes in bags, the least physically demanding area). Any dudes that go to smalls either go temporarily because they're injured, or permanently because they're weak, soyboy pussies.
What a coincidence that those professions are full to bursting with devout Covidians. I think it's probably the same with the news industry, full of mean girls and a few gay men for good measure.
I brought it up to some leftist turd that was arguing about male & white person dominated science, tech, CEO, etc. fields.
I asked them "What about NBA basketball?"
They said, "Well, if a white person could out-perform a black person, they would be on the team."
Me, "So you're saying they shouldn't be let on the team just because of their skin color but instead should only be let on the team for their performance and ability?"
Turd: "Yes."
I Just stared at them for what seemed like an eternity, hoping the irony of what they said would sink in.
It never happened. These people don't have functioning brains. They are echo chambers. No critical thinking at all.
My son has almost finished college and becoming a nurse soon. He is smart. A Hospital is full of female nurses and just a couple of men. Great young man. I said this is what I paid for so you can meet responsible caring young women and date? He said yeah. I said damn. Don't tell your mother this. She might get upset but well done. I am very proud of you.
I worked at a hospital for a decade and it actually was a total girls club. There was only 1 guy In a leadership position, plenty of guys applying for them but they would always hire the most incompetent women. I had more managers than I had years working there.
The last thing any man would want to do is work with a bunch of women who constantly gossip and fight with each other. Working at a hospital is literally like working on a really bad reality TV show. This is coming from 10 years experience.
You know, I was talking to a lesbian concrete construction worker friend of mine while she chopped wood about how unfair it is that women aren't allowed to be plumbers.
Women are just better at some stuff. When my wife makes me a sammich it’s got the works, lettuce, tomato, peppers, avocado,... when I make my own sammich it’s just meat, cheese and Mayo maybe some dijon mustard if I’m feeling fancy. She can fold my clothes way faster too. Some times I’ll help, she out folds me 4:1.
I brought this up with lefty friend and he is just like, why are you so obessed with being right all the time. Its like they are made of teflon, no logic sticks on them. they are a lost cause.
It's amazing how men are so hated in the world now that people don't realize, care, or both that men are the most discriminated part of society and in nature. Sure, the men whose diets don't consist of soy and feelings are usually bigger, stronger, and overall tougher, but we die younger, are prone to "falling apart" in old age, and are hated just because we have a Y chromosome and tend to go for higher paying jobs that have more risk.
SMH
Over 70% of valedictorian are female, and women outnumber men at campuses, so there is definitely something to this. The whole anti-"toxic" masculinity movement has been around as an anti-masculinity movement for years. Teaching is full of bitter women with divorces that take their issues out on male students.
There are lots of other structural reasons why girls outperform boys, but in general grading isn't so much about raw test achievement so much as jumping through hoops of compliance. This leads to too much subjectivity in grading, and inevitably leads itself towards heavy bias by teachers. Male students statistically perform better on tests, yet end up with lower GPAs? It's silly.
I know this wasn't the point of this post, but it is just something to think about.
I get the point and it is important. Teachers are the ones who most often convince parents that their sons suffer from ADHD. The major symptoms of which are simply being a boy.
The young men are dosed with Ritalen to the point where they miss the emotional growth that comes with puberty. But at least teachers, with half their students tranquilized, can get through the day without having to exercise authority.
My mother went back to teaching after raising two sons. She could not believe how passive the boys in her classroom were.
Girls do better in school these days because they are competing with boys who are doing the equivalent a bunch of bong-hits every morning before getting on the bus.
The workplace defines a different manner of extreme disparity. Across 139 occupation types, men are 10x more likely than women to be killed at their job.
How do we as a proper global society undo this bigoted marginalization of women by affording them equivalent opportunities in the form of stress-agency and peril-capacity?
I don’t. I treat the young men I come across in school as young men and urge them to become better men. I am a man in the public school system and allow boys to be boys. What’s hilarious is that the students want to be around me 9 times out of 10 because I treat them as equals rather than trying to indoctrinate them and be absolutely hysterical about COVID (only the womenx teachers are hysterical about COVID, especially the double maskers).
I had a parent that was like my son has this, that and the other that is wrong with him, what do I think is wrong with him? I looked at her in gobsmacked disbelief and said “He’s a boy. He wants to play. I know it is sometimes hard to keep his attention, but he’s a great student and nothing is wrong with him. He’s incredibly smart.” This parent thinks something is wrong with her boy, there’s not. He’s gifted, yet they’ve been brainwashed in thinking because he has a hard time paying attention that he’s got something fundamentally wrong with him and they’re getting him tested for multiple issues. I see a lot of myself in this kid because he’s smart, but has trouble paying attention when something is boring or easy. I have to keep him on the same level as others despite him needing to be on a more advanced level.
Respect to you man. Be the father and mentor that kid needs. Why are these roles reversed??! Back in the day it was the teacher telling the parent “your kid is useless and something is wrong” and the parent would then retort with “no retard, my kid is super smart”. I can’t believe you’re defending this kid from his own parents
Children raising children. Notice that the father isn't mentioned anywhere in his anecdote. We didn't magically get this way overnight.
I wish I knew. Believe me, I was like “Is this a serious question?” in my head, and it was. I especially tuned out when talk of holistic oils being used to help him focus.
Good grief. Sometimes I wonder whether us keeping silent in these moments is really what is destroying America. What do you think of giving that kids parents a good talking to? Maybe it might knock some sense into them. The risk is that they pull the kid out of the school and the kid might lose his only mentor though which would suck bigtime. I dunno, you seem wiser than me, but I just wanted to make a suggestion :)
Yeah, the way a teacher could traditionally talk to a parent just does not exist anymore. The moment they get pissy, they’ll go to our cowardly administration, BOE, or Facebook to air their grievances (all of these things are consistent to what parents do about their little Johnny or Susie if you even try to go outside your lane). I told the parent my belief, if they wish to accept my position, they can. Your suggestion would work in a non-helicopter, woke parent world, but the reality is it’s all fucked anymore.
I appreciate the compliment. I just try to make sure to instill intrinsic value with the students because so many don’t have positive male role models in their lives. It’s kind of hilarious to me that the students enjoy learning under me because I’m a hard ass, come correct and do it right or don’t come at all and I will hand out an F in a heartbeat. I have no time for laziness, I only have time to teach and educate how to think critically. I treat my current students like I treated the college students I used to teach. I only got put into this position because of COVID and the school is desperate to make sure students don’t fall behind.
Also, I’m one of the few people that allows them to be children and I refuse to treat the students like Petri dishes, I treat the masks like Petri dishes (which they damn well are). I think that may be another reason why I’m liked, I’m very “liberal” when it comes to enforcing patently absurd guidelines.
Technically, Ritalin is a stimulant. It's meant to help people focus attention.
Do I think some of what is being diagnosed as ADHD is something else? Yes. But I think it's more than "boys being boys" (meaning energetic, I presume). For example, I truly believe our diet is affecting a lot of this.
I say this as someone with ADHD. After I changed my diet from heavy on the junk-food to more healthy foods and cut out the soda, I made great changes in my ADHD. I am convinced that soda shouldn't be given to children, and they should have minimum added-sugar based foods.
Soda doesnt react with everyone the Same. Back when I was a kid I was the only kid in school allowed to have soda because it chilled me out. Since then tests have resulted in caffeine having the opposite of the normal effect on some who have ADHD. Instead of a burst of energy, it calms and helps focus. I can easily down 3 cups of coffee and a couple sodas in a couple hours and go to sleep.
I used to drink a shit ton of caffeine to relax and focus. Now I take ritalin and its a cheaper (to me) and healthier alternative (monster energy) but they didnt put me on it as a kid fortunately i was able to mostly develop naturally
I'm very thankful to have Concerta now since it lessens the frequency of the arguments I used to have with my husband over my not listening to him. However, I'm wary of medicating growing brains. My son is 8, and, boy, his attention span is even shorter than mine. It would be great if some other attention-deficit pedes chime in about whether we should consider medication for him.
I, an adult male definitely have ADHD, I remember growing up and teacher after teacher telling my parents that I needed to be medicated to be a better student. Problem was, that I was a GREAT student. I always excelled at learning and pretty much was always ahead of the curve al through school, I just couldn’t help being fidgety and a bit overactive. What little boy isn’t though? I’m so happy my parents never medicated me. Once I got into med school past age 21 I actually did start taking medications and honestly have to admit it helps me a LOT. My wife likes it when I’m regularly taking my meds, I do too. But I am still happy I never had it as a growing child, I have a young boy now who is very hyper like I was, and I’m sure I’ll have teachers try to get him on meds but I just think kids need to be kids and really don’t want to teach him from a young age that he needs medication to be ‘normal’. I worry how many literal kids I see now days on several medications...
I think young children are just naturally attention-deficit, so to speak. Expecting them to sit still is unrealistic and, IMO, cruel. Funny story from when I taught Sunday School for 4- and 5-year-olds. I don't remember why, but one day we didn't have any chairs, so they had to do their lesson standing at the tables. I have never had a better-behaved class than I had that day. My daughter's school at our previous duty station was on to this concept; her second-grade class room had all kinds of "alternative seating" like giant balls, couches, and those egg-shaped chairs than hang from the ceiling. Idk, maybe my son just needs a fidget. I was fidgeting before it was cool, you know.
I never took anything as a child, but I am somewhat considering it now in my middle age. But it is hard to tell if it is stress or ADHD right now. I slipped recently and my diet has too much junk in it; enough that I gained 20 pounds in one year.
I'm trying natural methods first, keeping in mind that people with ADHD are more sensitive to inadequate sleep, poor diet, and lack of exercise. I'm working on all these first, then seeing if I need meds.
If he is not developing properly socially and doesn’t do well in learning you may want to consider it, and keep a close eye. Now the definition of those things is up to you because by commie standards all boys should be on it. I basically got very good grades and spent all of my time doing homework (because of the inattentiveness) so my social development is stunted to this day, but I’m happy with where I am. When I started in college it was like night and day with being able to talk to more than one person at a time for example, and being able to have some relief as far as being able to focus and not be in a haze all the time. But there are other things that you can try like diet and whatnot. Frankly I now choose to take a dose that allows me to not get parking tickets and rear end people, but thats about it, the other shit I am used to and my employment is stable. Basically if your son is low attention span but he’s happy and on the right path, maybe check back in when he starts middle school and then high school. He is just barely a cognizant human at that age afterall. There can be a lot of suffering but if he finds something he likes to do (i took apart and put together things all the time, and now I am on a technical career path) and friends that like him and interact with him properly then he is good until perhaps he is independent (driving, paying bills, knowing where his wallet is etc). Sometimes you can get by but the amount of effort it takes just to function is decreased by the medication. You should definitely research things like exercise and diet and try and see if you notice a difference. If you think stimulants would help him give him sudafed and/or coffee if you feel comfortable and see what that does. You can pm me if you want more input because i know you can’t trust a doctor
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpB-B8BXk0
I have read that caffeine can help with ADHD; sort of a self-medicating thing.
Well if you drink caffeine and you get zen or even sleepy instead of jittery then you may have it. But the definition of having it is the problems it causes so if coffee is enough that’s just your lifestyle. I for one hit the coffee ceiling because its not effective enough. Still drink a while pot ever day though
So can I! My husband looks at me nuts with coffee in hand 1 hour before bed. Sleep like a baby. Our son is the same way. Benedryl makes him and I hyper so does any pain medication.
I used to drink a stupid amount of mt dew. I could drink a 20oz right before bed with no issues. I've since changed my diet, but will have one from time to time. If I drink one in the evening now, the caffeine will keep me up all night.
My husband’s nephew has been on Ritalin since he was six. But that’s not the kid’s actual problem. His dad treats him like shit, and he has diagnosed celiac’s disease. His dad doesn’t know (and doesn’t care to learn) how to deal with him without yelling, and his mom refuses to move the kid to a gluten free diet because “we tried it for a week and didn’t see a change.” The poor kid is also gifted and his parents can’t handle his level of intelligence.
Yeah, well, I had the same problems as a kid. My mom fixed it by taking me off gluten and dairy and getting me in as much gifted-ed as possible.
Environmental factors heavily influence ADHD behavior. Diet is a HUGE issue for a lot of these kids.
Thank you for posting truth.
I cannot believe how easily people will give children mind altering drugs, that can cause them to get addicted and can result in depression and brain damage after long-time use. sauce
Especially when there are so many other factors that could be changed in a child's life to improve their behavior that does NOT include DRUGGING them.
I weep for our nephew. It’s really really sad. And the worst part is that his parents really do love him but are too lost in their “listen to the experts” belief to explore alternate avenues for helping him. He’s not a bad kid, just smart and frustrated.
I wish I could take him for the summer, get him off the meds and gluten, give him some encouragement, and let him tinker around in our barn. Let him make messes. Do his thing. He loves robotics, but thanks to the Ritalin, he probably won’t achieve what he could have.
Ugh to experts!
I love you idea! You could change your nephew's life! Why don't you propose it to his parents? What do you have to lose?
Barn? Messes? Tinker? Sounds like the perfect things for a kid!
I hate to hear about the child's situation; that's awful. But your comment on gifted makes a lot of sense. I think more students who are pegged for ADHD need to be tested to see if they are gifted; they may not be intellectually simulated enough in class, and it shows up in behavior.
I had several classmates who were on Ritalin and the gifted ed program. My brother and I both fell into that category too. I’ve thanked my mom many times for refusing the school’s demands to put us on medication.
Gifted kids are just different and get super fucking bored in normal school. It comes with a few other issues as well. But we spend something like 17x the amount of money on special ed for kids at the other end of the IQ spectrum than we do for the most intelligent.
Stimulants have an inverse effect on hyperactivity. There was a few times as a kid my parents gave me coffee to calm me down. Same principle, much more potent stimulant given every. single. day.
Then they go on to be addicted to energy drinks and think meth is a great idea because their body chemistry has shifted to expect a stimulant every day.
The problem is that hyperactivity is supposed to be NORMAL for children, especially boys. Suppressing normal behavior through drugs is just the movie Equalibrium coming into play.
I think the issue is that the education system, which is somewhat a relic of the 18th century, is somewhat unnatural. Humans aren't supposed to learn by sitting on their ass for 8 hours a day, they're supposed to learn by doing things with their parents and older siblings (helping out on the farm, putting stuff together, hunting when they're old enough).
We have standing desks and things like Cubiis nowadays. Why can't we have a row of desks in the back of the room that convert to standing desks, and the hyperactive children can stand and learn? Why can't we have a child version of a Cubii for the hyperactive kids? Let them get this mild form of exercise while learning. There have to be ways to work with children, instead of against them.
I think they are called "open concept" schools in Japan that address this wonderfully. There are some... abysmal attempts to recreate them in the US that I'm not so sure about. A lot of homeschoolers allow the kids plenty of active and outdoors time. Not just regulated recesses on a concrete pad, but outdoors in the woods and real world.
There is actually a significant amount of research and existing models on how kids should best be schooled in active environments, but it won't ever happen at the hands of a teacher's union. They think it would be far too much work, even though one of the praises for the model in Japan is that the teachers find the kids to be much easier to manage. The teacher has to actually allow the class to be noisy and active, instead of disciplining them for being disruptive. And you actually, literally need an open floor plan for that noise level to be manageable for most adults.
Active environments sounds great! I wish there could be catering to learning styles. Some are doers; some are readers; some are listeners. But I think almost all people actually learn well by doing. It activates more parts of the brain, and thus makes it stick better.
The Japanese methods sound like something America needs to investigate.
Hyperactivity and ADHD need to have a well defined threshold. When its interfering with their learning in the classroom or daily tasking, it needs to be addressed for their benefit. If intervention helps THEM (not us), then it should be investigated. With my boys, they're on a non-stimulant. It's enough of a help that they're doing well in class and not zombies. In fact, it makes me look at my daily Coffee&Monster routine with a question.
I don't want to be rude, but I have nothing nice to say about anyone drugging their children to make them "more normal." It doesn't matter if it's valerian root and chamomile tea, it's NOT parenting.
If they can't fit in the class, maybe it's the class, and not the CHILD that is the problem?
Nah man it's not about making them "more normal". Its about helping them be able to focus on the task they're doing. The kiddo's personalities aren't changed, demeanor the same, energy the same. They simply have a little more impulse control and can be shifted back to what they need to actually be focusing on.
Anyone who is trying to make a child "more normal" isn't treating ADHD. They're treating bad parenting, by performing more bad parenting.
Additionally.... I had a hard stop before medicinal intervention. My kid was being left behind because not being able to stay focused on class because, you know, video games and the pets are more fun. I absolutely do not regret changing my mind on this as he's much happier and no longer being left behind in school.
Also, fuck anyone who wants to hate on him because he's not "normal". I'm not raising him to fit to their social norms and expectations. I won't even preface that with "I don't want to be rude" because those who would judge him don't deserve a kind response.
Don't take that last part personally... your response seems like the opposite of those people.
Sounds like denial to me.
Diet absolutely has an effect. I saw studies 10 years ago that gave kids doses of sugar and their ADHD symptoms shot through the roof.
Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs for breakfast definately isn't helping kids in school.
There is little evolutionary incentive for young boys to be still, non-competitive and complacent. Those traits would lead to starving or getting eaten by something else. Boys needed guided with discipline not coddling.
You average boy in America spends more time during their formative years with women (overwhelming percentage of teachers in elementary, middle school and high scool and also record number of single moms) than any time in history. This is a problem. Look the direction society has turned.
Women do many things well. Raising boys alone into confident, competent and productive men is not one of them.
A strong independent woman is great. Our boys need more than that.
There is a time for stillness and a time for activity. Boys need more activity than girls, but they also need to learn how to be still and to observe; think of the inventors and great thinkers of the past. They learned a great deal by observing and thinking. Hunters also dealt with a great deal of waiting and observing in order to succeed--waiting for prey to get closer, observing tracks, etc.
Undiagnosed but can guarantee I have ADHD as well..... Give me some Blink-182 and a purple monster and I'm programming for hours on end without realizing how long it has been. I've actually been told "It's okay to go home".
I do worry about children receiving any ongoing medication; they are growing so fast, that it just seems risky. That's why I prefer out of the box ideas first--think about food, diet, exercise, stress, sleep, relationships, intellectual stimulation, etc. Tweak those to the best fit, then consider drugs if that is the only recourse remaining.
That reminds me of a study I read in a book once a upon a time (there's my ADHD for you; can't remember where for the life of me). But it basically indicated that similar behavior between males and females in authority positions at a job can be interpreted differently. Basically, a female boss can act the same as a male boss, but the female will be viewed as a bitch and the male as authoritative. There is some "deep-set" instinct at play, I think--likely learned.
Dude. Big brayn. Never thought about adhd like that before.
👆🏻 Women make up the majority of all college graduates and notably are the majority of masters and PhD grads.
Certainly this is “structural” sexism right?
Everyone just loves “structural” nowadays.
...have you met these people? Their minds absolutely CAN do that
Yep, somehow they'll twist it to say men deserve to be shot
The interesting thing to me, after travelling around the world, the men here aren't very masculine. It has been subverted and vilified to the point hat even the most masculine men I see here are just very watered down versions of what I've seen in some other countries. Sad, but true. And they still call it 'toxic'. I, honestly, had to travel around the world to even learn what masculinity was - and when I'm here, I don't dare act like that. It won't go over well.
Sure, I was with a cute french girl who was 20 years younger than me - who, after 10 years, 'woke up', and threw me under a bus.
It disgusts me, as someone at a university, when the bitches in the classes start complaining about the poor oppression of women, and then I mention "60% of the students here are women" they usually immediately go "but not in math or science." Not even for a second do they stop and go, wait, maybe we're not being oppressed by men at this school? Ultimately, even if it were 90% women, they would still complain about being oppressed. Men can't have a single discipline that they have the majority of at a school, only when every discipline is 90% women will they stop complaining. Believe me, if women made up only 40% of college students, they would be rioting, but it's just fine if men are only 40%.
Well, that's because math and science are hard, and that's systemic racism. We need to make math and science easier, so girls can do it, and be equal.
Is that really why women don't like math? I'm a woman and I love math and hate people, because people are full of drama and you can't apply algorithms to them.
Idk how you can make math more "girl-friendly." I know there's much less rote memorization now and more of a focus on the underlying ideas. But math was always my favorite subject, and my daughter is really good at it, too. I read that part of the problem may be female elementary school teachers who aren't good at math. I know my son's second grade teacher says she's "not a math person." And this sends the message to girls that math is too hard? Idk.
Remember in the 2016 election they were passing around the idea that America would not be "equal" to women until their had been 45 female presidents in a row. That's how far they are willing to move any goalpost on a dime.
OMFG. Men and women are NOT equal, and I'm tired of pretending we are!
It goes to show why it isn't in math and science. Otherwise they would realize that to over represented in some domains you must be under represented in others.
Men major in math and science because those are some of the few majors in universities that will actually provide a return on investment. Women are more likely to major in some leisure major with no future prospects. Colleges took advantage of this fact by creating a bunch more of those useless majors to make more money.
I wish colleges focused more on ROI. You need some sort of idea how fast you can pay off your loan with the job you will because for the degree.
Yeah, Masters in social work, and PhDs in Psychology. 120K student loan debt so they could get a job making 60K a year lol. Plus, don't even get me started on the reproducibility rates in those fields; they can hardly be called "science" anymore. Actually, there might be some correlation there...
Psychology wasn't ever considered a science until the 20th century, it was more of a philosophical art. However, when you take away the metaphysical understanding of man from the discipline then you have to push it as a science even if the rates of actually curing people is like 0.
Psychology has its uses, but judging by the state of modern man, it surely doesn't seem to be working as intended.
Psychology is a jewish/marxist subversive ploy.
We created an actual "science of the mind" it's called Neurology. Neurology and Psychology never seem to agree on anything, yet they are both treated as valid.
Your comment on compliance reminds me of something I read in an ADHD book. The school system was meant to create that compliance because it was meant to move farmer type people into city/factory jobs that require compliance and predictable behavior.
There is a very interesting and entertaining book about how the modern educational system was created to do exactly as you are saying. It is called
The Underground History Of American Education by John Taylor Gatto.
Go to this URL, then scroll down and look on the right for the box that says "DOWNLOAD OPTIONS" then just click on PDF. (2.4 MB)
https://archive.org/details/JohnTaylorGattoTheUndergroundHistoryOfAmericanEducationBook
Gatto was a public school teacher for 30 years in New York City and even won New York State Teacher of the Year. He finally got sick of all the BS and started writing books and traveling to give speeches about the true nature of "public" (government) education. So many of the "failures" of the educational system are not failures at all, the system is functioning exactly as it was designed! That just happens to be completely contrary to what parents and the general public believe and are taught the purpose of public education is.
Instead of creating self-sufficient, morally upright, independent thinkers and problem solvers steeped in academics and the accumulated wisdom of the ages, the educational system was remolded to the Prussian system to create obedient, unquestioning people that are trained to be "just competent enough" to do their jobs but not curious enough to become a "problem" to those powerful interests who desire to plan the world and sell their future to the rest of us.
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There is also another good book with tons of documentation to back up this same agenda that is called
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt
You can download a PDF (7.4 MB + 1 MB Updated Info) here:
http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ddd/deliberate-dumbing-down/
From her website: "Iserbyt is an American freelance writer who served as the Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first term of U.S. President Ronald Reagan."
"She is the author of Back to Basics Reform or OBE Skinnerian International Curriculum, 1985 (58 pages) and The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, 1999 (700 pages) and the 2011 updated/abridged version."
"Back to Basics Reform or OBE Skinnerian International Curriculum, 1985, documents her experiences working as Sr. Policy Advisor, U.S. Dept. of Education, where she was privy to past and future plans to restructure American education from traditional academics to values clarification (change from traditional moral values to humanist values) and global workforce training, using tax-funded private education /charter schools without elected boards, and the Skinnerian mastery learning/outcomes-based methodology in conjunction with computers. Her 700-page The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, 1999, and the updated/abridged version of 2011, contains a chronological record starting in the 1800s, of the “deliberate dumbing down” of not just the USA, but of the world."
Awesome! I'll have to check them out! Thanks!
Sure women dominate men in student numbers, but guess what? Women mostly dominate in the arts and social sciences, which don't often translate to high paying jobs thereby leading them to a life of student debt baggage. Men continue to strongly outnumber in the fields which truly matter when it comes to keeping civilization running: STEM and trades.
No, it's actually very related. I'm not sure what studies say about your latter point, but I'd like to see the data. Sowell, Peterson et. al. have been debunking this for years now. But have you ever seen their "opponents"? They won't listen to the logic.
Male nurse here.
A few years ago the nurses in my unit tried to give me some fucked up assignment where they gave me 1 patient on the total opposite side of the unit. The reason was he was "sexually inappropriate toward women."
This patient was in restraints and had a 1:1 sitter with him 24/7. They thought that because I was a "man," he should go with me. I normally wouldn't have really cared, other than the fact that in a 24 hour period, I was the ONLY male nurse on that unit. Completely fed up with the fact that for 80% of the time a female would be taking care of this patient (and they'd be taking turns) and I would be taking care of him 100% of the time I would be there, I asked the charge nurse "What do you guys do with this patient when I'm not here?" She replied "We just deal with it", so I said "so why not just "deal with it" when I am here?"
They lost their shit, complaining that I didn't want to be a team player, "we're women and don't have to be subjected to the "verbal sexual abuse" (From an obviously mentally impaired patient).
I basically just told them that I think they're all very capable, strong, professional women who have the ability to ask for help when they need it, and do not have to single me out and give me the "aggressive, or verbally abusive patients" whenever I come to work. Their behavior abruptly stopped.
thank you for sharing this story. there seems to be a pattern with the sTrOnG aNd bRaVe wAhMeN
If someone makes a point of telling other people their qualities, they don't have them.
They are strong and brave until they get uncomfortable with a situation, then they ask men to step in so they don’t have to deal with it.
am a man, can confirm
Strong, and brave when it fits their current narrative/objective. They love to play both sides depending on which side allows them to be a victim in the current moment. It’s always ultimately about maintains and gaining power and control over others.
This can also be observed in black culture. Thug or victim depending on what will get them the farthest
Yup
You endured the kind of sex discrimination that would have won a woman a nice lawsuit.
Good on ya for standing up to the matriarchy.
I’ve been specifically asked to be involved with potentially violent mental Heath patients just because I am a male and 95% of our staff in inpatient mental health are women. It’s a VA hospital so most of our patients are male combat veterans, who could honestly do a lot of damage if they wanted to.
It’s still really sexists for them to call just because they need muscle. It’s almost like they are forced to acknowledge sexual dimorphism in humans.
Tell them that you will help gladly right away... right after they've renounce 3rd wave feminism on their knees in front of you
I never work for a female boss, they are all cunts
Same with my experience. Every time except for 1. She was new to the position and in way over her head. I was training her how to manage the store because I learned a lot of the procedures from the DM that really liked me for being a hard worker. He also knew I was trying to work my way up into a corporate position. But when she got hired, she relied on me for everything. Was nice and really valued me and my opinion. Until the day I gave her my 2 weeks notice to work at a different job at a place 250 miles away. As soon as I gave her that envelope, she turned into a major cunt to me and was as bad as some of the worst women bosses I've ever had. I don't include her with all of them really, as she was really decent for the couple years I worked with her except for those last 2 weeks. Within a year of me leaving, she ran that store into to the ground and they closed it for good because of it. I think that everyone working there finally got to see just how much they relied on me to do things there and they couldn't get enough people to do everything I was doing alone. I don't care a single bit because of how she treated me those last 2 weeks I was there. But yeah. After being under a couple of other female bosses since then, I've come to decide to never have one again. They are all horrible and miserable people, and I have a large enough sample size to prove it. And now all these days with them trying to cancel men they don't like? Nobody can pay me any amount of money in the world to have a female boss. I'll work with men who don't rule by emotions and don't have the time or desire to get back at people who they don't like
One of the many perks of being an engineer is I have yet to have a female boss. It was especially great at my last job because I could hide in the ladies' room and play on my phone, and no managers could catch me. 😁
“All (female) nurses are fucking nuts.” 15 years of healthcare here. I sort of shrugged this off the first time I heard it but I totally believe it now. Men, don’t date nurses especially the ones that stay on hospital floors. And don’t get me started on their unhealthy habits and BMIs.
Can confirm unhealthy habits and BMI in many. I’ll never understand someone who joins the frontlines of healthcare only to be someone who can’t be trusted with their own health. I’d be embarrassed to be an obese healthcare worker even if I was just the person working the computer at intake.
Why are they all so chubby? They’re not all super obese where I come from, but they are all over that 25% healthy BMI.
My aunt was an obese nurse. She had to walk around with a wheeled oxygen tank and could only work in a halfway house for troubled teens. She said nurses' break areas are filled cakes and donuts and other snacks nurses bring in to share.
As busy as they seem to be they are inherently lazy especially on long shifts. They eat like crap. People constantly bring unhealthy food into the hospital.
I am in touch with a nurse I’m considering dating, and now I’m really curious to hear any advice that you have on this topic. Please don’t skimp on the details. Thanks!
For the unhealthy BMI and habits, it generally comes from not enough time for breaks. They don’t have enough time to eat properly and frequently have to grab quick food on the go. This means junk food. Large quantities of caffeine. Not much chance to get a bathroom break. Low staffing and high stress. Longer than typical hours. Extra shifts.
It all adds up quick to make someone who eats unhealthy, is very stressed out, is chronically low on sleep, and who gets UTIs frequently.
The bad eating habits are never an excuse IMHO. You can fast most of the day and OMAD, or make sure to buy healthy snacks and meal prep on days off to always have healthy foods with you. Working out may be a little tricker, but you should still be able to get three solid workouts in a weeks. People just like to make excuses and be lazy IMHO.
Yep its an excuse fat lazy people use. Intermediate fasting could not be easier and its free.
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Can confirm; he speaks big truth.
Sounds like they need to change the system so doctors and nurses are not horrendously overworked. Wanna bet the mistakes go up because of this system?
Most hospital floor nurses work for one or two years to get critical care/hospital experience. This is totally normal and usually the ones with any sense leave hospital nursing to work in a doctors office or 100s of other places. I wouldn’t be as scared of this type of nurse. The ones you should avoid are the ones that stay in the hospital for long periods of time. Hospitals have unlimited amounts of gross, emotion and death. Anyone who thrives in that environment as the primary caregiver is not normal. The whole “I’m here to help people who can’t help themselves” thing is for nursing school. The smart ones see how fucked up the system and patients in most cases are. Droves of welfare queens and countless do nothings drain the life out of great nurses while the taxes from the nurses paycheck go to taking care of the unappreciative and undeserving. If you thrive in that or don’t see what’s really wrong with the system you are nuts. Also, nurses tend to be sexually insane partially because they are in situations that make normal people uncomfortable and they let it enter their sex life and are freaks. Hope that helps. Don’t let me discourage you just feel the process out like a rational individual.
Thank you fren for taking the time to write this detailed and well-thought out response. I appreciate your advice and I’ll be sure to keep it in mind.
They are generally not very clean at home. I think working in an antiseptic environment causes this. Why bother at home. Source rented to nurses.
This is the opposite of my experience, but then I've only married one 'keeper' nurse.
She's confirmed working with almost exclusively women is a petty bitch fest.
Hey fam! Same story. She shows me the social media posts of her colleagues. She works with some really shallow and vapid females.
I worked in a really big steel factory that’s been in business for decades and apparently there’s only ever been 1 female employee who worked on the floor and she was only there for a couple of years. It was a really dirty, physical job that required hard work and attention to detail but it paid really well and offered the full range of benefits.
The clerical jobs for the company, however, were all taken by females which makes sense because they’re a lot cleaner and they’re not physically demanding and there’s air conditioning. It’s been the same story with other big metal processing companies that I’ve worked for where the office/HR staff is female but the shop is 100% male.
That's not sexist at all. That's simply exercizing free will.
The "wage gap" will only be eliminated when women decide to take jobs that might involve chipping a goddamn nail.
The “wage gap” also does not take into consideration that women take time off to have kids.
They don’t compare job to job. They compare years: women ages 21-30 make $$ and men ages 21-30 make $$. I think this is from Thomas Sowell.
Why are we acting like there's a wage gap?
Notice that there is no interest for women to break the glass ceiling in sewage jobs, sanitation workers (ever see a female garbage worker?) roofers, or lawn mowing companies. I live in the south all my life and have never seen a female once, not once in any of these positions.
That’s obviously just because your eyes are sexist. 😁
That's somewhat similar to FedEx Ground. Plenty of women work there loading and unloading the trailers, but it never fails that after a while they drift towards smalls (putting tiny ass boxes in bags, the least physically demanding area). Any dudes that go to smalls either go temporarily because they're injured, or permanently because they're weak, soyboy pussies.
"From here on in: 50% of women, they want to be nurses? No damn way, off to the brick works with you.” - Jordan Peterson
I'm not a religious man, but I've heard someone call Jordan Peterson a "prophet" before. I'm inclined to agree with that characterization.
One of the few leafs that sees clearly. From Alberta of course.
This is indeed the very root of the problem. Conservatives want to be correct, where as commies just want to win.
The secretarial pool called. They want their administrative assistant back.
She'll be back shortly. She's out picking up the boss's dry cleaning and buying a tasteful gift for his wife's birthday.
What a coincidence that those professions are full to bursting with devout Covidians. I think it's probably the same with the news industry, full of mean girls and a few gay men for good measure.
Lots of the nurses I've worked with don't really care about covid. Even had a decent number who were Trump supporters
Male nurse here, men def get crapped on more by getting assigned the heavier, more aggressive/violent patients.
They also love to pit you against the various clicks they all run by getting you involved in their petty arguments.
That's anywhere where there are a lot of women.
Now do basketball teams.
Ha! You beat me to it.
I’m keen to know Lebron’s answer to the blatant systemic racism towards white players in professional basketball.
I brought it up to some leftist turd that was arguing about male & white person dominated science, tech, CEO, etc. fields.
I asked them "What about NBA basketball?"
They said, "Well, if a white person could out-perform a black person, they would be on the team."
Me, "So you're saying they shouldn't be let on the team just because of their skin color but instead should only be let on the team for their performance and ability?"
Turd: "Yes."
I Just stared at them for what seemed like an eternity, hoping the irony of what they said would sink in.
It never happened. These people don't have functioning brains. They are echo chambers. No critical thinking at all.
Except the other 15% of flight attendants are gay, NTTAWWT.
Not long before all of those jobs traditionally held by women are dominated by men wearing dresses pretending to be women. honk honk
Use "equality != Equity" against them, I like it
Can confirm. Once they know the difference between Equality and Equity, their conversation either turns belligerent or ends entirely.
That's exactly how the logic works.
We could all parade around hospitals with giant signs complaining about toxic femininity, and discrimination.
But we're not fucking retarded.
It’s legit because we’re not emotional, and run more off of logic, and we’re constantly punished and told we’re evil for it. 🤡🌎
We're also not allow to protest their wicked morality: see Xiden FBI for reference.
The LEFT does not use logic... and there is no penalty for their actions.
Class action, guys?
Don’t forget non profit art centers, who virtue signal about wearing double masks...
If you really want address this look at the ratio for teachers and clerical work (especially in government)
Yes any inequality of outcome is abnormal and caused by systemic injustice.
Marine bio careers as well. Blonde and big boobs? Job
It’s because women are more interested in people and men are more interested in things.
I’m interested in people taking off things?
... there’s an obvious liberal joke just sitting in there... what a world we’ve come to.
Because of systemic sexism that makes them interested in those things right?
FTFY.
The NFL discriminates against Asians and Caucasians.
Makes you think the sandwiches on planes should be much better.
My son has almost finished college and becoming a nurse soon. He is smart. A Hospital is full of female nurses and just a couple of men. Great young man. I said this is what I paid for so you can meet responsible caring young women and date? He said yeah. I said damn. Don't tell your mother this. She might get upset but well done. I am very proud of you.
careful dude, nurses are on the list of women to avoid along with teachers, horse riders, and strippers
(that and I rarely see any nurses that haven't become rather large over time)
Also more women suicides and homelessness for equality!!!
And combat deaths and the ability to get drafted.
And being sentenced to prison.
I worked at a hospital for a decade and it actually was a total girls club. There was only 1 guy In a leadership position, plenty of guys applying for them but they would always hire the most incompetent women. I had more managers than I had years working there.
Statistical anomaly? Maybe... doubt it.
Should have snuffed out the feminist movement back when they were fighting for the right to vote. It’s been pretty downhill from there.😁
WE DEMAND THAT 50% OF BEAUTICIANS SHOULD BE MEN.
So strange how they only screech about "muh diversity" when white people or men are the majority.
Hospitals do discriminate against men though. Nurses can be real cunts.
And don’t even get me started on the NBA!
Next do workplace deaths! 99.99999999% male!
The world runs on men risking their lives to keep society operational.
My field is about 90% women, and 90% of the men are gay.
Male! White! Conservative! Three strikes, life sentence. Bang! Next case.
No no, it means they discriminate against WOMEN. If it weren't for the patriarchy, all those excess women in nursing would be doctors!
Lol, I love seeing the posts. Life isn't fair get over it.
I work for a healthcare org and every single person above me all the way up to the CEO is female.
We live in a clown world, that is just one of man dead end plot lines.
The last thing any man would want to do is work with a bunch of women who constantly gossip and fight with each other. Working at a hospital is literally like working on a really bad reality TV show. This is coming from 10 years experience.
And, you don't even want to know about the NFL, and NBA.
You know, I was talking to a lesbian concrete construction worker friend of mine while she chopped wood about how unfair it is that women aren't allowed to be plumbers.
Women are just better at some stuff. When my wife makes me a sammich it’s got the works, lettuce, tomato, peppers, avocado,... when I make my own sammich it’s just meat, cheese and Mayo maybe some dijon mustard if I’m feeling fancy. She can fold my clothes way faster too. Some times I’ll help, she out folds me 4:1.
I brought this up with lefty friend and he is just like, why are you so obessed with being right all the time. Its like they are made of teflon, no logic sticks on them. they are a lost cause.
That's a great one. Why do you always have to know what you're talking about?
yeah, i sort of lost a little faith in humanity when i heard that comment.
Actually, they do discriminate against men. Male nurses, child care workers, cooks in healthcare fields have harder times finding jobs.
I think we need more female representation in the trades. More female plumbers
Too bad they reject logic is a tool of the patriarchy. They prefer feminine ways of knowing, such as lived experiences.
But if you dare suggest that, on average, men think more rationaly and women think more emotionally, then you're a misogynist.
If a woman can't see the point being made there, you're likely casting pearls to land whales.
Try luring them outside with duty free coffee and sweets, then leave them stranded in the parking lot without their motorized wheel chairs.
Never seen a female garbage collector. Sexist!
goto the sorority house
rip
It's amazing how men are so hated in the world now that people don't realize, care, or both that men are the most discriminated part of society and in nature. Sure, the men whose diets don't consist of soy and feelings are usually bigger, stronger, and overall tougher, but we die younger, are prone to "falling apart" in old age, and are hated just because we have a Y chromosome and tend to go for higher paying jobs that have more risk.
SMH
98% of people shot by police are men.