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AllYouHaveIsYourself 82 points ago +83 / -1

Right? I'd rather have Covid 5 times than shingles again.

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ProphetOfKek 49 points ago +49 / -0

Try having it on half your nutsack. Yup. That was awesome.

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unspecified_user 29 points ago +29 / -0

Try having it on half your nutsack.

@[email protected]

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romanhelmet 4 points ago +4 / -0

Which half?

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BofaDeez 5 points ago +5 / -0

Hopefully not the half that his dick naturally leams toward

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romanhelmet 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was think that exact thought after I replied...

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FredRedd 18 points ago +18 / -0

I didn't updoot you to say, "Yeah! Alright!" I updooted you out of complete visceral cringe empathy. I didn't "merit" to get my shingles in that area, but when I describe it to people I always say, "Imagine the worst sunburn you ever had. Then imagine while 'stiff-walking' around your house, one of your brothers thinking it'd be funny to slap you really hard on that 'so-red-it's-almost-purple' sunburned patch of skin. Then imagine him doing that to you every second of the day - nonstop for 8-11 days. That's KIND OF what shingles feels like"

I'm so sorry you had to deal with it in the crotch. I'm buying you a virtual beer, and if you're ever in the Madison WI area, I'll buy you a few real ones Fren'.

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MAGAsJustBegun 11 points ago +11 / -0

Love the way you described it.

Had shingles late last year, just had turned 26.

For me, the wounds and rashes somehow didn't hurt themselves. Like I could still take warn showers somehow.

With that said, I had insane amounts of pain in my neck, which radiated down my back and body.

I love your analogy of being slapped with bad sunburn in a bad spot 24/7, because for me, it was less of a stinging pain, and more of a "feels like someone kicks me full force square in the neck every now and then".

Painful as hell!

My shingles was crazy because it started out as bad neck pain, no rashes. I had just moved a very big fridge up a steep flight of steers, abd although I felt fine, I thought maybe tweaked myself.

For a few nights, the pain was getting worse and worse, so I used some icy hot and a heating pad.

Next day, woke up with nasty looking bubbly and ashes all around where I used icy hot and the heating pad!

We all thought I had an allergic reaction to icy hot or heat rash!

Got worse over another two days, so I went to my chiropractor.

The second I walked in and he asked "so, what's it like? How it's look? What's it feel like?".

I just began to describe it, and he's like "yup! You've got shingles!"

He put my on 3 supplements, wguxg honestly worked absolute wonders.

Within 3 to 5 days, I was healing up amazingly, and feeling leaps and bounds bettern

He said he'd never seen someone's rashes and wounds heal in as little as 3 days from seeing them at there worst.

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FluhanWu 8 points ago +8 / -0

I had shingles. It was awful. I would do it again every day if the alternative was all this global communism bullshit.

We didn’t shut nothing down for shingles. We shouldn’t have shut anything down for Covid.

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago +1 / -0

Out of curiosity, did you have the pox as a kid or did you get vaccinated?

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Dimensia89 4 points ago +4 / -0

How did you get shingles @26? Weakened immune system? Not try to pry. That's just awful young IMO

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MAGAsJustBegun 2 points ago +2 / -0

https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/news/20180904/shingles-on-the-rise-among-younger-people

I know webMD is trash overall, but this article kind of sums it up. Nobody has a clear answer, but to find shingles in a mode twenties Americans isn't too unheard of at this point.

My doctor who is a chiropractor actually said he had a 25 year old girl with them too a year or so ago.

He's treated like 50 or so people with shingles over the years. If I needed medical attention he wouldn't hesitate to send me into the emergency to get stronger drugs, but he thinks 9 times out of 10, shingles can be treated safely at home.

In general, shingles goes away on its own, but it's smart to take some action on it to give your body what it needs to kick its ass.

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Deplora 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think shingles is much more common in young adults than most people realize. One of my doctors told me she got it while in medical school, in her mid-20s.

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MAGAsJustBegun 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nope! I am a very healthy young man. So talking to my doctor, he said he's surprised in general, because he's close to 70 now.

He said when he was in his early days, is was an old man's issue.

He said nowadays, he's seeing it increasingly more common amongst younger men and women!

There's no known answer as to why this is happening. He says he believes it was stress induced in my end... And the week before I came down with it, I was in DC for a Walk away event called "the Unsilent March".

I was sucker punched by a ghetto Lib for Trump gear.

I wasn't hurt. Weak as punch, and he ran!

Get this... This is where it gets good!

As he ran, he hopped onto his skateboard to get away, and Gavin Mccines tripped him off!! Then cops tackled him Hahaha.

There's a video out there somewhere Gavin got of me and my pops chasing the attacker down, seeing my dad swing his cane and almost nailing his bitch ass!

Then an interview later around Washington Monument where I talk with Gavin

They arrested him, I pressed charges... Obviously, the DA didn't let it stick, I bet mainly because I had zero damage. Get that. Sucker punched right in the mouth, and ZERO damage haha.

No pain after a few minutes either. The park police were very kind, and the lady officer hanging with me to talk during everything was super kind and enjoyable to chat with.

I told them I was completely fine, and was only pressing charges so he would at least have to be put into the system, get finger prints, and fuck his own day up.

Gavin is a boss! I got to do an interview with him.

I didn't feel stressed, but immune system wise and such, I'd bet the situation physically stressed my body a bit.

But yeah, they say it's becoming increasingly common in younger Americans.

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FredRedd 1 point ago +1 / -0

You probably benefitted from the natural surge of MAGA that was in the air. No one has ever done a proper study of the healthful effects of an atmosphere filled with Trump Dragon energy on the population. (And of course they wouldn't - because such a study might make Trump look better and the left just can not let that happen!)

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Sirbigusdickus 5 points ago +5 / -0

Might as well go all in with a side of taint.

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ProphetOfKek 4 points ago +4 / -0

Oh it did. :(

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Hoot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bad news bro. That’s herpes

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ProphetOfKek 4 points ago +4 / -0

Herpes is not one sided.

But technically shingles is in the herpes family.

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grantking2256 1 point ago +1 / -0

My mom some jow got shingles on her face right at 50 years old. Thought that shit happened later in life...

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Stoplooklisten 0 points ago +2 / -2

My SIL got it when she was six years old.

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kaduh 9 points ago +9 / -0

Ha! I had shingles and gout at the same time a few years ago. It sucked.

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masterfulsky 4 points ago +5 / -1

are you henry the eighth

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MaxineWaters4Prez 6 points ago +6 / -0

Well you get a cold about once or twice a year on average...

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MAGAsJustBegun 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'd still rather have shingles, just cause with covid you can still be the very unlucky health person who gets far too sick.

With shingles, the fatality rate is much lower...

And guess what? I'm 26... I had Shingles a few months back!

I think I was 25 at the time. Terrible pain. Wounds and rashes everywhere.

My neck pain was so bad, felt like someone kicked me full force square in the neck each morning I woke up!

I recovered insanely quick. My doctor who I trust put me on some herbal supplements that boost immune system, pain responses, ect.

Worked amazingly. I recovered in record time.

And by record time, I mean quicker than my doctor has ever seen.

When he put me on my supplements, within 3 to 4 days, I was on to the healing phase!

Within two more days, all of my wounds were closed up, and bare able!

FYI to those who have shingles in the future! USE KRATOM FOR PAIN!

Kratom, a plant that works on your body similar to Vicodin, worked absolute wonders for making me not miserable 24/7 for weeks.

It helped immensely with pain management, and doesn't have the same dangers as drugs like Vicodin do, with damaging organs, brain, ect.

Stay away from pills unless absolutely necessary, and even then, if you are someone who takes pain medications frequently, look into kratom please.

Can help you a ton, and has proven to be safer than most drugs we take for pain.

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powershellder 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can you share the names of those supplements?

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MAGAsJustBegun 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sure thing! Do some research on them, they worked wonders for my healing. Again, I healed in just a few days. Of course, that wasn't full put healing, but closed up wounds and such.

It still tools weeks to where nothing was visible, but only a few days until the pain and sensitivity went away.

So, what I took for my shingles was 4 supplements, but 3 at first, the fourth was added after the first week as my Doc thought I could benefit from it.

Also, the numbers listed after the names are numbers on pill bottle to identify exact bottle

  1. Min - Tran 5615

  2. Congaplex 2915

  3. Thymex 7925

I'd take 3 of each supplement 3 times a day, once ever 6 or so hours, although I missed hours sometimes, and just dosed a few hours apart.

So, with just these three supplemtns, I'd ingest 9 pills per dose, and 27 pills in a day.

And the one he added after the fact was PRO Omega 2000, which supports brain, eye, and heart health

I'd just take one of these daily during my largest meal of the day, as it can upset some peoples stomachs a bit.

The omega he just gave me tons of single sample baggies because I'm a young man, and he didn't want to charge me more money for more pill bottles. I love my doctor. Great, based man in NY!

The brand name of the 3 supplements is Standard Process.

He himself visited the farms that produce this brand, and he ensured they are making trustworthy, healthy, and safe supplements, and the supplement market is full of dishonesty!

Now, before we're done with this post, I also used KRATOM for pain management.

Kratom is a natural plant that grows in Indonesia, and has gained tons of popularity in USA the past decade.

Kratom acts as a natural Opioid, but without the dangers of actual opioids, as in no chance of overdosing, destroying your kidney, liver, organs, ect.

It's very safe all in all, and worked absolute wonders for my pain!

I was in so much pain and so miserable that I couldn't even play video games while sitting home all day and night for weeks!

That's how much pain I was in! It was so terrible.

But whenever I took about 6 grams of kratom, it would take my pain level from an 8/10 to a 4/10!

My friend gave me two Vicodin to help with my pain (not to abuse of course. He knew I was in deep amounts of pain and wanted to help).

Long story short, the Vicodin did help for a short time, but only for a few hours, and I need to take 15mg minimum, as my body isn't too sensitive to some drugs.

So, I'm glad I didn't get prescribed pain medications, as I would've been raking 6+ Vicodin a day for weeks! Screw that! Stuff is very dangerous!

Kratom is the way to go to manage pain. Kratom for me worked JUST AS GOOD as Vicodin, and you can buy kratom anywhere! Smoke shops, internet, ect.

So, it was all such a lifesaver.

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independentbystander 2 points ago +2 / -0

The shingles are pure hell. Still got nerve-pain from that almost 10 years later.

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RonJoner 14 points ago +14 / -0

Imagine taking a vaccine for something in which people under 70 survive almost 100%

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K3719er 19 points ago +19 / -0

I'm not saying it's dangerous, just unproven and experimental with zero long term data or studies. Wr have no idea how this mrNA shit will effect people 5, 10, 20 yrs down the line. I saw a warning that recommended men who want to be fathers get sperm frozen before taking the vaccine. I amd a whole lot of other people aren't comfortable taking a vaccine under those circumstances, and God forbid the govt try to mandate it.

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3Picks2Terms1Man 4 points ago +4 / -0

Right, people are all "oh I got it, I'm fine nothing happened." You're fine now. Nothing happened yet. I'm not worried about getting a rash, or temporary palsy. I'm worried about what far more devastating effects could happen down the road, whether it be cancer, birth defects, etc. Remember, thalidomide used to be prescribed to pregnant women.

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K3719er 2 points ago +2 / -0

It was on this site a while ago - so take that with as much authority as you're willing to give it 🤷‍♂️ if people wanna get it, fine - I just expect people to respect my decision not to. Any attempt by the govt to forcefully vaccinate myself or my children will result in violence.

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ProphetOfKek 1 point ago +1 / -0

I haven’t seen that, but I did see there was a study going to assess any affect on male fertility.

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Anon1970 13 points ago +14 / -1

This mRNA shot is NOT a vaccine. It is gene manipulation. What's dangerous is people actually believing the MSM, government and big pharma have our good in mind.

FFS. Username does NOT check out.

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theblackprince 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's a money grab is all it is.

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Anon1970 4 points ago +4 / -0

Money grab and control over us which equals mo' money!

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Anon1970 6 points ago +9 / -3

There is no help for you to understand. I've given the facts to you before and you still "don't get it". You are fake AF.

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Sumarongi 9 points ago +10 / -1

There is not and had not been a mRNA vaccine approved by the FDA. Ain the mRNA vaccines animals studies, 100% of l the animals died, not right away, but when the were exposed to the virus in real life. Fuck you for pushing this shit. Are you willing to be held liable? Because the vaccine companies are not

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Anon1970 2 points ago +4 / -2

FAKE

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Icegirl -3 points ago +4 / -7

I'm with you BasedMedicalDoctor. I half think the anonymous anticovidvaxxers here have ulterior motives.

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DemsH8America 9 points ago +12 / -3

Agree, we’re all about freedom of choice right? I’m gonna get downvoted to oblivion but I got the Moderna shot and ZERO issues. The reason I got it is someone close to me died of COVID that was healthy AF no pre-existing conditions!! I’m all for people bashing TF outta it that’s their choice but it’s also their choice if they want to take it. Also let’s not forget TRUMP and his administration made this vaccine happen because there was no RED tape from a leftist government like today... I could only imagine the ass dragging the left would have piled on if they were in office... look at them today wanting to keep everything shut down!

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QuickHands 11 points ago +13 / -2

someone close to me died of COVID that was healthy AF no pre-existing conditions!!

This is not a 'fact', this is parsed speech aka propaganda. Why should anyone here believe this slop that has zero details?

Who here knows someone who is "healthy AF" but has smoked for 20 years, or has AIDS or who knows what other condition? How well did they know this person - was it a coworker, an ex girlfriend, WHO? What LEVEL did they know them?

The whole comment STINKS LIKE BULLSHIT. without so much as an AGE, we cannot believe trash like this where purportedly "healthy AF!!" people are dying of a fake flu. For all we know, 80 year old nana the lifetime smoker died in her sleep and was WuFlu positive at the same time.

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Icegirl 0 points ago +3 / -3

I know four healthy people who had covid very badly last fall and two died. The two who survived are in their 40s. The two who died were in their 50s.

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Isolated_Patriot 6 points ago +8 / -2

I know THREE healthy people who died of it and one of them was a TEENAGER. They were all riding in the same car and the truck driver SWEARS it was covid.

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Sumarongi 4 points ago +4 / -0

The ventilators killed them

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InjectorEater 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm going to wait at least a year before calling any of the covid vaccines safe. I know the science behind them but some shit takes a while to percolate.

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ProfessorOak 8 points ago +8 / -0

We just learned that prolonged use of Zantac can give you stomach cancer. About two years ago, my doc took me off another antacid and put me on that because it was "safer." Any doctor who claims to know whether something is safe or not cannot guarantee you anything. I would be much more willing to listen to covid pro-vaxxers if they at least admitted they have no idea what will happen ten years down the road.

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nutmeg 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nobody will admit that because it's scary. I accept it and may/may not get the vaccine when they get around to me. I know some elderly folks who won't get it because they were around for other "it's been approved" types of medical advice and procedures that proved inaccurate.

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Sumarongi 4 points ago +4 / -0

Look up on VAERS. Tons of people are being hurt by the vaccine. Miscarriages, heart attacks, blood disorders, death. It’s just being censored in the media and social media, like everything else.

My friend is a male nurse, healthy and in good shape, had a heart attack days after getting his second shot. Almost killed him. Am I supposed to believe it’s not related to the vaccine?

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theblackprince 2 points ago +2 / -0

What evidence do you have that it was related? How can you say it wouldn't have happened anyway?

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Sumarongi 4 points ago +4 / -0

It anecdotal evidence. Sure it could be a coincidence, but I’m not inclined to believe that given that others have reported heart attacks, and blot clots, blood disorders and cardiovascular problems after taking the vaccine

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briansoprano [S] 11 points ago +11 / -0

I thought it looked like Lyme's Disease tick bites

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unspecified_user 8 points ago +8 / -0

Ft Detrick

I think I'd rather dig a hole and take mud baths at Chernobyl than hike through the woods in Frederick, MD near Detrick. Hell, a Saturday night midnight strolls through East LA and Baltimurder would probably be safer than that.

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ProphetOfKek 7 points ago +7 / -0

I’m definitely not a vaccine shill, but injection site reactions are common. I always get one when I get a tetanus booster.

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MAGAsJustBegun 8 points ago +8 / -0

So random fact. I used to always get the tetanus shot myself, as I work in construction, and get cut somewhat often by different things.

Well, I met a girl who is "vaccine injured". They injected something wrong into her, and greatly damaged the nerves in her right arm.

So long story short, she's done tons of research on vaccines, and she tells me none of us truly need a tetanus shot, and that there are plenty of healthy, great working, natural alternatives, which millions use worldwide.

So, just something to look in to! Of course I can't tell you I know any full truths, but I think it's worth doing your own research and coming to your own conclusions.

My trust for doctors, vaccines, and drugs, is at an all time low.

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Isolated_Patriot 3 points ago +3 / -0

Tetanus would not be lethal without the muscle spams. It was ONLY lethal because no muscle relaxant or anti-inflammatory existed at the time it was plaguing the world. Chances of dying from tetanus are virtually nill with modern care, but the first thing they will do if the suspect it is inject you with a tetanus shot, contrary to all medical science about how vaccines work, and claim that's what saved you.

It's also nowhere near as easy to contract as commonly claimed. You are far more likely to get gangrene from the same kinds of wounds. But there's no vax to sell for that.

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findthewarmspot 2 points ago +2 / -0

I just got the first dose of the shingles vaccine in February. Second dose in in a few weeks... no rash so far....

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Tacticalsmoke420 72 points ago +73 / -1

It takes years to develop a safe vaccine, whatever they are injecting into people today is not safe and should be avoided.

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Donger-Lord2 49 points ago +50 / -1

I still fail to see why Trump would endorse all this bullshit.

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Hanging_Chad 35 points ago +36 / -1

If he truly endorsed it, he would have taken the shots and photo ops. Actions speak louder than words ;)

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Donger-Lord2 21 points ago +21 / -0

True. I never saw him do any of that garbage luckily. Still wondering why he would approve of a vaccine anyway.

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NimbleNomad9 31 points ago +31 / -0

Economy.

It was probably easier for the country to reopen and dump money and research into both the vaccines (while terrible) and the after effects/how to deal with any issues.

Plus he was most likely being fed bad/controlling information and relying on the "experts" to actually be experts in their fields, which we now know that most are more bureaucrats that experts.

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Friend_of_John_Galt 14 points ago +14 / -0

Exactly. I think he thought if a "vaccine" came out, the communists would have to back down. He was wrong. It will take us fighting back against the fear in the people we know.

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Esodo 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yep. He just wanted commie governors to shut the hell up and open up the damn country. Instead, they are now saying they still plan to keep their states closed indefinitely.

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Geotus69 9 points ago +9 / -0

The more you submit the worse the tyranny

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tashnag_01 1 point ago +1 / -0

Then why is he still talking about it? Was so proud to talk about the vaccines at CPAC.

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NinjaGuyDan777 4 points ago +4 / -0

The vaccine was always the real threat. Not homo-19.

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b0ss 4 points ago +4 / -0

I do like to believe this scenario.

We shall see how he will react to this question in the future as well.

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Hanging_Chad 7 points ago +7 / -0

Operation Warpspeed = Space Race v2?

Yeah, idk either, fren

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chahn1138 6 points ago +6 / -0

It is the same reason for all the bad things going on: the combo of media + politics.

i.e. Trump had to play things in a way that could not be used to destroy him.

i.e. Trump probably would have acted sooner against the Cov-19, but he knew that he would be attacked for taking action, and he was.

He had to wait until the argument was obvious.

So, really the reason we are failing is us, when you think about it.

IF we had the knowledge, wisdom, and reason to see the Truth, then our Leaders could act without fear of the media whispering in our ears.

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RageQuit 4 points ago +5 / -1

He quietly took the vaccine in January. Kinda pointless to me if you've already had China virus.

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soysaucenuts 4 points ago +4 / -0

My son had the rona and is desperately trying to get the shot. Where did I go wrong?

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Sumarongi 1 point ago +1 / -0

The was a news report from the msm. It may or may not be true. Im disinclined to believe the fake news media

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Foreign_Aid_is_Theft 6 points ago +6 / -0

He also had the virus. I'm not sold that someone who has recovered and developed anti bodies has any major benefit from then taking a vaccine.

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Icegirl -1 points ago +1 / -2

Antibodies wear off after 3 months if you get covid so they say.

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calmestchaos 4 points ago +4 / -0

antibodies are what fights the infection, but they are not what gives you long term "immunity". Your body also makes things that can recognize the virus next time you get infected and will then make a new fighting force to cleanse it, and those factories last a long time.

Your flooded with Antibodies for a few months because your most likely to be reinfected numerous times as the virus spreads to your "tribe" (family/those around you) and then they send it back to you, so your body is on high alert. After a while everyone gets it and is immune, its no longer energy efficient to keep making antibodies for a virus that isn't around anymore. Long term solutions are not as quick but they prevent it from being dangerous even years later, though we don't have good data on that for Covid yet.

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Foreign_Aid_is_Theft 2 points ago +2 / -0

But sUpR Dupper vaccine lasts for decades? I just don't believe that an immune response from a "vaccine" is more effective than a natural response.

Vaccines used to just use the freakn dead virus to have your body respond to it and when's the last time you got new rounds of childhood vaccines? How many times did you have to get the Chicken Pox to be immune to Small Pox?

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Sumarongi 1 point ago +1 / -0

Bullshit

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Hanging_Chad 5 points ago +5 / -0

Oh good, he Guinea pigged it for a month before telling us to take it. That means he loves us, right?

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Sumarongi 2 points ago +2 / -0

Why should I believe this?

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tashnag_01 1 point ago +1 / -0

So, basically he played politics? Literally the one reason we all love the guy is because he isn't a politician, yet he played politics with people's lives?

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Hanging_Chad 1 point ago +1 / -0

What would you have done?

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Viewer01 17 points ago +17 / -0

There is no such thing as “safe”. It is all about acceptable risk. When you have a nation shut down and a people going to ruin, the band of acceptable risk widens. This isn’t any different then us saying we should just accept the risk of opening back up. People will die as a result. However, that cost is lesser then the others.

Same thing with the vaccine. I’m an engineer and I can assure you rushed projects usually miss something along the way. The thing might work, but there could be some unintended consequences later on down the road.

So someone likely did the math for trump and said we’d lose X amount, but could open up Y months sooner. Most companies and governments do this every day. Figure out how many people it’ll kill and add safety layers until risk is acceptably low.

For me, I won’t take the vaccine as I am healthy and young. No telling what the thirty year effect of having my DNA screwed with will bring.

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KekistanPM 7 points ago +7 / -0

There is no such thing as “safe”.

This is one of the most underrated statements in this whole mess. I'm healthy with no precondition, and I'm not going to live my life like I should be quarantined. If I'm asymptomatic, there's a tiny fraction of a percent chance I'll spread it. And in that case, the other person has the choice to stay home and get groceries from curbside services.

And if saying "There is no such this as 'safe'" is controversial...wait until people hear this whopper: "Death is not always worse than life."

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Donger-Lord2 4 points ago +4 / -0

Even if the vaccine did work, there is no point in getting it when there is a 99.997% survival chance. And like you said, who knows what will happen to you a couple decades after you take it.

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GreatHumungous 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yep it makes ya goo HMMM going back a year Trump allowed all of Fauxchi and Brix bullshit when it was clear they’re idiots and it was all garbage, including hyping a vax.

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Donger-Lord2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Brix the bitch was slightly better but the bar is already on the floor when it comes to commies.

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Sumarongi 2 points ago +2 / -0

She’s so corrupt. All the PEPFAR shit in Africa is a huge money laundering operation

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Crlsniper 6 points ago +6 / -0

It’s because the left spent the whole year saying every legitimate cure to covid would only kill people and attack him nonstop, but when it came to these untest drugs the left changed the game and just claimed he couldn’t do it fast enough. He saw that opening and fell for the trap hook line and sinker.

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unspecified_user 3 points ago +3 / -0
  1. Trump sets challenging high goal to motivate industries to perform at their best. 2) Outcome comes out below goal. 3) MSM "TRUMP DEBACLE EXPOSES ENTIRE NATION TO TREMENDOUS DEADLY CONSEQUENCES"

  2. Leftist scum Democrat politicians set laughably low goals, hedging their bets, and asking nothing as far as serious effort is concerned. 2) Slightly outperform goals. 3) MSM "DEM PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL BEYOND ALL EXPECTATIONS. DEM LEADERS ONLY FAULT WAS THEY WERE TOO MODEST IN PREDICTING WHAT THEY WOULD ACCOMPLISH IN AN ASTOUNDINGLY SPEEDY MANNER. EXPERTS UNANIMOUS 'COULDN'T HAVE GONE BETTER'"

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Donger-Lord2 3 points ago +3 / -0

It’s the most common bait tactic by the left-wing tyrants and sadly he fell for it.

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lmao 5 points ago +5 / -0

it's a lot like "right to try" I guess.

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Friend_of_John_Galt 22 points ago +22 / -0

This isn't a vaccine. Vaccines take a weakened sample of the disease and give it to you so your body can develop a natural response to a weaker enemy.

This is different. It is trying to ramp up your immune system artificially.

We don't have to treat this like a vaccine. It is not.

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grassshrimp 6 points ago +6 / -0

We need to be specific. It's my understanding the J&J vaccine is like a typical vaccine and the other two - Moderna and Pfizer are RNA vaccines.

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Anon1970 6 points ago +6 / -0

It can't be a typical vaccine because the virus has never been scientifically isolated/proven to exist per Koch's Postulates. The CDC has never given a sample of the virus when requested by medical labs. They are all lying.

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grassshrimp 1 point ago +1 / -0

The J&J vaccine can be stored in a normal refrigerator unlike the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines -- it’s not a mRNA vaccine.

Instead, the J&J vaccine uses a harmless, weakened cold virus to carry instructions into the body to trigger the immune response and a method developed a decade ago and used for an ebola vaccine.

I'm no expert, but if I decide to get the vaccine, it will be J & J.

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Friend_of_John_Galt 4 points ago +4 / -0

I don't know about J&J except there's an impression it's no it as "effective" as the others. I reject the term "RNA vaccine". It normalizes gene manipulation, which is what that is.

Edit: actually I haven't heard yet that the virus has been isolated, so I think the odds J&J have a conventional vaccine seems remote.

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grassshrimp 1 point ago +1 / -0

From the research I've done. For what it's worth, my Dr., whom I respect, told be to wait for thee J & J vaccine if I chose to get one.

The J&J vaccine can be stored in a normal refrigerator unlike the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines -- it’s not a mRNA vaccine.

Instead, the J&J vaccine uses a harmless, weakened cold virus to carry instructions into the body to trigger the immune response and a method developed a decade ago and used for an ebola vaccine.

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soysaucenuts 5 points ago +5 / -0

They wanted the liability protections of a vaccine so they slapped the label “vaccine” on it.

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Friend_of_John_Galt 2 points ago +2 / -0

There's our class action lawsuit, then.

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ProphetOfKek 11 points ago +12 / -1

I mean, it could be safe, but we have no long term safety data.

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b0ss 5 points ago +5 / -0

^ This.

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KekistanPM 4 points ago +4 / -0

"But we can't wait that long you anti-vaxxer bigot! You're responsible for people dying REEEEEEEE!!!"

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npc_1234 2 points ago +2 / -0

plausible deniability

  • Jim Biden
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Chinuk 46 points ago +48 / -2

I am not complying. They can fire me, I will gladly sell me house. I will move to a small house, become a social reject and play games all day.

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dayd12134 31 points ago +31 / -0

*for now

Guarentee there's a DNCCP member looking into how to get around this.

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TrumpWonBigly2020 6 points ago +6 / -0

I don't doubt that for a second.

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KekistanPM 4 points ago +4 / -0

Biden administration be like: "No problem. We'll make an executive order for this."

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mikejones 8 points ago +8 / -0

And a lot of people don't believe that.

They look at the flu chart and it's all green when every other year half the country is red with bad flu during this time.

Regular flu renamed to COVID.

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leakmouth 15 points ago +19 / -4

i sTiLL dEfUnUtLy pLaN tA gEt dA sEkUnT sHoT

https://patriots.win/p/12hkTepdx4/i-now-have-to-take-antibiotics-a/c/

ITs jUsT sUmThiN tA bE kOgNuZuNt oF

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TrumpWonBigly2020 10 points ago +10 / -0

Keep in mind that black line around it is sharpie, not a skin reaction. It's very common to outline a rash or potentially poisonous bite with permanent marker in order to measure spread.

I've done it frequently with nasty bug bites while camping and hiking. If the spot continues growing past several days you usually need immediate medical care.

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4moreyears 14 points ago +27 / -13

I don't want a vaccine at all, but if I'm forced to for work or to fly etc, I'm sure as shit not getting the Moderna vaccine

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Helena 52 points ago +53 / -1

That's called coercion. Forced to, by any other name... they got you right where they want you, bud.

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strictly1957 26 points ago +27 / -1

Tell it sister!!! This shit sandwich ends tomorrow if the people say NO!

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ProudWhiteMan 17 points ago +17 / -0

Trust the same people who for the past 20 years have sat passively while their grandparents in wheel chairs and children were frisked by the TSA. The same people who after a year of wearing a mask for "2 weeks to break the curve" are now wearing two masks.....

This is what will break the dam lmao. Humans are collectively retarded

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Sumarongi 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, I’ve lost all faith in humanity this year. To my shake, at times Ive secretly hoped the vaccine kills them

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f_bastiat 11 points ago +12 / -1

While I agree, the same could be said about your driver's license, your license plate, your SSN, etc. They have always had everyone right where they want them. Minus guns, they have almost no control over guns when the rubber meets the road.

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Helena 6 points ago +6 / -0

We need more Cosmo Kramer types. Nobody had him where they wanted him and he did exactly as he pleased. Consent of the governed... it's a thing and we should use it.

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ZacPetkanas 6 points ago +6 / -0

I dunno, they forced him to take the "ASSMAN" license plates

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Helena 3 points ago +3 / -0

snicker

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MaxineWaters4Prez 6 points ago +6 / -0

That's what they want.

Can't fly, can't get a job, can't go to the store, etc without the jab.

They won't "force" you to get the shot but they will make living your life very difficult.

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befehlistbefehl 3 points ago +3 / -0

Maybe we should use the 2A on private sector tyrants who demand that.

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sustainable_saltmine -17 points ago +7 / -24

Ok, then you go ahead and quit your job if they tell you you have to get a vaccine as an obligation of employment. Hope you got a new job lined up.

People have to understand things aren't cut and dry. You can't "just boycott" some things, you cant "just quit your job" because they're now requiring vaccines. Yes they may have you by the balls but what choice do you really have anyway. Rather be unemployed?

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b0ss 12 points ago +13 / -1

As long as you have rights, yes you can. And certainly against experimental vaccines.

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Esodo 5 points ago +5 / -0

Blind muh job and family mentality will send us straight to the camps. People have to understand that if you let them require vaccines it won't be long before they fire and persecute for other reasons. You won't have that job anyway in a few years if you let them get away with this. I don't wanna be unemployed either but I DAMN sure don't want to be "forced" to take some Fauci/Gates vaccine.

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b0ss 0 points ago +1 / -1

There are ways you can still earn cash and support your family.

But let's concentrate on this issue for now. As long as you have democracy in your country and have access to laws that protect from limiting your freedom by any means necessary - and yes, most countries based on democracy is a basic pillar of right - use to protect yourself and loved ones, and fight to keep democracy.

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Truthdose 5 points ago +6 / -1

Would you rather risk death or serious injury

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Helena 4 points ago +5 / -1

You sure like that word "can't".

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Ophelia 3 points ago +3 / -0

Depend on the job. Some people are very valuable to their job. Some are actually irreplaceable.

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Defender110 6 points ago +6 / -0

This. My wife took the Moderna vaccine for work about two weeks after having COVID and it fucked her up bad. Lots of arm pain and sickness that she said was way worse than actual COVID.

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Populist_Leader 3 points ago +3 / -0

Johnson & Johnson is supposedly structured more like the flu shot, rather than mRNA.

If you desire to get one, that seems like the one to go with. Bill Gates was criticizing the vaccines from the companies he isn't invested in (J&J was one of them) fairly recently. I personally will not get one, but if I decided to, this initially seems like the one to go with

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1A2A 3 points ago +4 / -1

Time for a new career.

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mateus 12 points ago +14 / -2

"This shouldn't deter people..." It's not up to the self-appointed experts to make that decision.

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KoofasaForTrump 11 points ago +11 / -0

I guess a skin reaction is better than death as a side effect but why take a vaccine that doesn’t protect you enough to be a normal person again?

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Duck_man 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean. It should be. The government is being total fuckwads about this. They say people who are vaccinated don’t need to quarantine if a member of their own household has COVID. So... let them go about their business and live a normal pre-COVID life if that’s the case.

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RabidZoo 11 points ago +12 / -1

Not this guy. If we need a vax card to buy groceries I guess I'm going back to the wild...but not like that idiot kid that went 'Into the Wild'.

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TrumpWonBigly2020 9 points ago +10 / -1

Just start stealing food from dumb ass liberals.

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KekistanPM 4 points ago +4 / -0

They won't mind; they don't believe in private property anyway

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Populist_Leader 5 points ago +5 / -0

Get your city council to pass a law making vax cards illegal in your town. It shouldn't have to come to this, but might as well get ahead of it.

Also might spur other municipalities to do the same

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LonelyLadypedeSF_CA 3 points ago +3 / -0

Be less white and you can do what you want. Rachel Dolezal in da house!

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MAGAlorian 9 points ago +10 / -1

It's fine... it's just the first mRNA vaccine ever approved for use in humans and it's just altering your DNA. No big.

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f_bastiat 8 points ago +10 / -2

Likely 11 days of pain you wouldn't get with Covid but what do I know I just read statistics.

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TaxDollarsHardAtWork 7 points ago +7 / -0

HOW DOES MODERNA'S VACCINE WORK?

The Moderna vaccine is an mRNA jab similar in design to that made by Pfizer and BioNTech.

It includes a tiny piece of coronavirus genetic material, called mRNA, which inserts itself into cells and tricks them into making a copy of Covid's spike protein.

This mechanism activates the immune system which learns how to fight off the virus while only actually fending off its own cells adorned with a SARS-CoV-2 disguise.

As a result, the majority of side-effects are not from a mild case of the coronavirus but due to the body's own reaction and the immune system working.

Anyone else catch that?

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Tweedlethree 3 points ago +3 / -0

This what I read too. But the Medical professionals are in a wait and see mode on if and when the individual gets reinfected some time later if the body will go into some kind of shock and attack its own organs. I bet I am not the only one who read that and as a result people are saying "Lets wait and see what happens".

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they-see-me-trollin 6 points ago +6 / -0

A recent study on phase 3 clinical data from Moderna's trials revealed immediate reactions around the injection site occurred in 84.2 per cent of people. A much smaller percentage of people (0.8 per cent) had a delayed reaction, developing a rash more than a week after inoculation

so almost everyone has a severe rash break out at the injection site...

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Ifififokiedoke 2 points ago +2 / -0

They have taken it down, but the CDC had a write up after the first trial. You where 6 times more likely to have a severe reaction after the first shot than gain immunity.

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LadyPersephone -1 points ago +1 / -2

lol @ 6 day rash around injection site being considered 'severe' here

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Herecomedatpresident 1 point ago +1 / -0

Six days? I mean maybe not "severe" but that seems like a pretty long time for a standard vaccine rash.

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DoesItWorkAlready 4 points ago +4 / -0

Immune reactions can happen any organ.

The skin is just the easily visible reaction.

What's going on in the other dozens of organs in the human body? Nobody knows, because nobody is looking

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angrysnowpede 4 points ago +4 / -0

Stated by eXpErTs without evidence: It means it's working!

Probable reality: Your body is screaming at you something is wrong.

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FreedomFan1975 4 points ago +4 / -0

I don't know which one she got, but a lady in my office (who had COVID before, in September) got her first vax yesterday, and today she is out sick with chills, dizziness and vomiting all night.

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TDAF 4 points ago +5 / -1

MSM: Vaccine side-effects are worse than Covid!
MSM: People won't take the vaccine!

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dldeuce 4 points ago +4 / -0

This whole global vaccine political movement is turning into a Jonestown doomsday cult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown

"On the tape, Jones urged Temple members to commit "revolutionary suicide".[159] Such an act had been planned by the Temple before and, according to Jonestown defectors, its theory was "you can go down in history, saying you chose your own way to go, and it is your commitment to refuse capitalism and in support of socialism."[161]?

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QuietSpark 3 points ago +4 / -1

Call me crazy but I expect vaccines to have ZERO major side effects before I will even consider them.

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LadyPersephone 1 point ago +2 / -1

There is no medicine nor vaccine nor treatment nor ingredient on this entire planet with zero major side effects.

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KekistanPM 3 points ago +3 / -0

I love how the force-everyone-to-take-a-vaccine crowd is reacting to this.

"Slightly better than death or ICU though....."

"Look up reactions to any vaccination this is a very common reaction"

"So basically, 0.04% of people suffered an irritation as a result of the vaccine. Hardly newsworthy"

"The DM is officially an anti-vaxxer, anti-British, click bait rag."

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Thebillster 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thats going to be a no from me dawg.

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Chairman_Jao_Bi_Den 3 points ago +3 / -0

This symptom is actually common with other injections.

I'd be more worried about the "nano-particles" getting inside your brain.

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wharfthrowaway 3 points ago +3 / -0

vaccine makes you infertile “well at least I can’t get the coof”

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We_Are_Inevitable 3 points ago +3 / -0

They were granted immunity for anything bad that happens with their vaccine too.

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Tacosnak 3 points ago +3 / -0

My dad got a rash all over his body. Luckily it wasn’t anaphylaxis or anything.

He told his doctor no second dose. This was about a month ago.

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border_humper 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is fine.

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Epicsoundwaves 2 points ago +2 / -0

Looks like me when I had my one and only flu vaccine years ago! Was bed ridden for 3 days.

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Taylor814ce 2 points ago +4 / -2

Got the Moderna vaccine myself. Yes, my arm hurt for about a week after.

It is insane that "injection site redness" is being elevated to some catastrophic symptom to dissuade people from getting the vaccine.

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Bundabar 1 point ago +1 / -0

My arm hurt for about two days and the 1st shot was actually worse in terms of soreness than the first for me.

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nutmeg 2 points ago +2 / -0

There's a bunch of people who are waiting for FDA approval before getting any type of injection

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BotFlyPenis 2 points ago +2 / -0

When you are dead technically covid is dead too. So it is a cure. Actually, starting to think the "vaccine" is Darwinian IQ test. Starting to be an advocate for all the libtards to take it. Go go vaccine....the enemy of my enemy is my fren. My fren the COVID vaccine. Time to thin the heard and save the lead for the smarter commies.

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LoobintheToobin 2 points ago +2 / -0

I call a group of patients “a cohort,” pay no attention to my word choices

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Indianapede 2 points ago +2 / -0

I e had both moderna shots. No rash over a month out. Fever, fatigue is legit right at 12 hour mark for 24-36hours.

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MaxineWaters4Prez 2 points ago +3 / -1

Boy thank goodness they didn't get sniffles and a low grade fever for 3 days followed by lifetime immunity... that would have REALLY sucked.

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ckover9000 2 points ago +2 / -0

My girlfriend is 67, she got her first dose two weeks ago and she still has the rash a swollen and painful shoulder and upper arm. Won't go away. She had a shingles shot a couple months ago and it was similar, except that had her in bed for the better part of a week and she was fine.

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GreatHumungous 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cumin dailymail garbage never loads

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2020_Vision 2 points ago +2 / -0

“ The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.”

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Bundabar 2 points ago +2 / -0

Monday will be day 11 (post 2nd Moderna shot) for me, no adverse reactions yet.

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BotFlyPenis 1 point ago +2 / -1

You do realize that it is designed to kill you with apparent randomness where your illness and death will be temporally disconnected from the shots. Look up antibody dependent enhancement.

Sure hope you miss the bite of this experiment. Stevens-Johnsons syndrome or TENS. In a cost benefit analysis with a pumped up fake mortality why would you take a vaccine that provides no benefit.

My 84 year old uncle died 2 weeks ago about 10 days after 1st shot. They say he tested positive for Coof. When they intubated him knew he was gone. He did get a little better, took him off vent, then he refused to go back on it when his o2 sats started falling again. Thats how bad being vented is - they couldn't give him any decent pain relief. He chose death over being vented.

Good luck. Bad call imho though. You failed the Darwin test.

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Bundabar 1 point ago +1 / -0

Don't I have to be dead to fail a Darwin test?

You do realize that people die on a daily basis with apparent randomness right? Many deaths don't even have a definite cause and have nothing to do with COVID or a vaccine.

We don't know the long term effects of COVID and we don't know the long term effects of a vaccine but my chances of dying from a vaccine are a fraction of that from COVID.

Damned if I do and damned if I don't but one choice gives me the chance to avoid a nasty virus.

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BotFlyPenis 1 point ago +1 / -0

The virus has no motive. Those pushing the virus do. Get a cobalt hip replacement or an essure tubal ligation as well. There are worse things than death and I trust 2 billion years of trial and error before a 10 year CRISPR cas9 derived technology taken from salt microbes. Men and their hubris and belief in snake oil. Check the motives. And since you cant make good cost benefit analyses please dont breed.

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Bundabar 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol, the virus might not have a motive but the people that produced it can.

There are literally two things you can believe and anything else shows that your logic brain is non-functional.

  1. The virus was manufactured and released as a bio weapon.

  2. The virus is a natural occurrence.

If you believe number 1 and don't want a vaccine then you trust a bioweapon more than the vaccine to fight it.

If you believe number 2 and don't want a vaccine then you trust mother nature to not fuck you over more than a vaccine.

So which is it? Do you trust China or mother nature?

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BotFlyPenis 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yay, you let some indian programmers outsourced from ITC reprogram your ribosomes. Pretty sure this will be the time they don't write any bugs into the codons.

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Bundabar 1 point ago +1 / -0

So you trust the virus more?

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BotFlyPenis 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, it has no ulterior motives, and I dont take an experimental CRISPR derived vaccine for a disease, that at least for me, has a 99.99% survival rate. They should have dialed back the pcr amplification to make the death rate appear higher. It's not about trust. Its about not being an idiot. According to some getting my dick cut off and acting likr a woman would be good for me. Yea, not doing that either. To a thinking person, they are the same. I won't have a cobalt steel hip replacement for the same reason. Motives of those pushing it. Viruses don't have motive and don't want power or money.

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Bundabar 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't believe you actually know what any of those terms you're using mean nor do you have any actual evidence to back them up.

You're like the main stream media, you're just stuck on repeat of what somebody said to you that you thought sounded right. You've lost any ability to think for yourself. Bless your heart.

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BotFlyPenis 1 point ago +1 / -0

Believe what you want. Its a belief. CRISPR is a repeating palindrome sequence with "spacer" sequences between. It was found in salt extremophiles in med salt pools. It is part of those bacterias' way to have immunity from bacterial viruses. When encountering virus attacks, some of the bacteria survive and add a signature sequence from the virus to another spacer then another CRISPR marker. CAS9 takes those CRISPR sequences and inspects any DNA in the bacteria, when it finds a match it cuts the DNA, "killing" the virus payload.

This solves the issue of how to put splices or changes into animal DNA. Before it was a completely random process for Gene therapy, without CRISPR and CAS9 - gene therapy is not feasible. Now they can mix a target sequence with CAS9 and be sure they can cut a gene at a specific point and insert a change.

The current "vaccine" is not a vaccine as most have understood it. They manufacture gene sequences directly from atcg via computer, which has no biological start, its completely biochemical. And can be arbitrary or "engineered". The CRISPR/CAS9 and the tech around it responsible for mRNA "vaccines" are less than 10 years old and are how mRNA biological agents are produced.

There are many possible unintended consequences, because we only know very little. They don't even know how aspirin works. How do the mRNA plus other tertiary biochemical agents used in processing decompose and recombine due to temp and other excursions from ideal during transport and inoculation. It is unknown. So you go ahead and stick yourself. In my estimation as a data analyst, the potential negatives outweigh the benefit. If the cdr was 10%, that may change the c/b of taking the risk, but that isn't the case.

So, you've lost the argument because you just regurgitate a political narrative you believe. I call it "low resolution" thinking. Then resort to ad hominem since your argument is fascile.

I've done the work from raw data and know the science. Being skeptical of claims is the base ground state of true science.

Doctors used to advocate cigarette smoking. I'd rather eat real food instead of food directly engineered outside of the safeguards built into natural selection over billions of years. There is a difference between cross breeding corn via normal biologic safeguards to increase yield and inserting jellyfish genes via CAS9 into corn to make it glow based on sugar content. If you can't comprehend the difference, just keep insulting my intelligence. It doesn't bother me.

You know they are currently using CRISPR/CAS9 to remove immunological differences between pigs and humans to make organs that can be transplanted into humans. Those pigs are alive right now. Throw that in the mix with 2 billion years of virus evolution and you have the potential for a real pandemic where we would be stacking bodies in the street. Humans always try to find a shortcut when they don't even fathom the complexities. So, I will take a vaccine manufactured the old fashioned way with proteins from the virus itself, not some protein created in my cells by some sequence pulled out of a software stack on a sequencing robot. You be the guinea pig. In 60 years - we can tell if there are any unintended repercussions. Like we already know with traditional vaccines. This is about money and power. No one in government or places of power really care if people are hurt. If you can't see that, then you don't have enough life experience to understand the nature of humans.

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NaturalAC1 2 points ago +3 / -1

I got the Moderna 1st and 2nd shot. My work and wife wanted me to get it. 2nd shot made me sick for 4 days with shoulder pain. I worked through the side effects. Dont know if covid would have made me feel worse than the vaccine.

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Ifififokiedoke 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sucks, I'm fairly young but had covid in october. Nothing but a head cold for two days and some sweating.

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Taylor814ce -2 points ago +1 / -3

The benefit is that your shoulder pain is not contagious.

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Moebius 2 points ago +2 / -0

Perhaps an Auto-immune response. I've heard this happens to many people who already had the China Virus and then get the Vaccine.

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Captain_Deadpool 2 points ago +2 / -0

This looks like the positive result of food allergy tests I took as a kid.

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UncleDaddyZ 2 points ago +2 / -0

My daughter gets that reaction from ANY shot. Even blood draw.

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hunterhiden 2 points ago +3 / -1

None of these are really "alarming" the bell's palsy however is very alarming

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Abarth 2 points ago +2 / -0

I fully support this. Half of them kills themselves so the problem solves itself over time

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JennaDenver 2 points ago +2 / -0

I definitely wouldn't classify their pics as "alarming".

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TrumpsLoveChild 2 points ago +2 / -0

If it "TINGLES", that means it's working.

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PKC_MAN 2 points ago +2 / -0

Usually once you get vaccinated, you feel pain on the spot for days, having an abnormal skin reaction is not normal though.

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Chuj 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was told it was an Arthrus reaction