Look I think what this is going to boil down to is some stupid orders given at some point in the day, which basically went like this. "If the door gets breached, shoot". Like perhaps on the other side of that door was an unknown situation of protected peoples, and the coincidence of their position, combined with the timing of the doors glass being breached, lead to a police officer on the ground taking the shot. They were clearly overwhelmed by this situation, and probably not well trained for this. Think about the worst thing that's ever happened at the capital prior to this day. Staff were poorly managed, and the decision not to allow the national guard in to protect the building, was really bad. Also, people should never have been pushed to go down to the capital building. I watched live that day, and I felt we'd have had a better vote that day without the storming of the capital. The turning point, seemed to be Pence, and whilst people seem to hate the guy, at least he made a decision that was inline with his beliefs regardless of the consequence. We never really asked Pence whether this was what he wanted. I think forcing this on the guy was the wrong way to approach this, demanding that he take action when all the courts are completely against him leading up to this, and it was a no win situation.
I can't defend Pence, or give him a pass. At least one state was asking for more time. There was no constitutionally set time line. If more time was needed for something as important as the office of the POTUS and election fraud, then so be it. Pence could have, and should, have suspended for another 10 days which was reasonable. The Republicans and Trump were out played in politics this time. Pence caved at a critical time. He failed to lead. His written statement admitted that there was fraud, then said he wasn't in a position to do anything about it. It was pure political waffling in a time when the country needed resolve. He was the ONLY person in a position to do something about it. He simply failed. There is no defense.
His job wasn't to do what what was "in line with his beliefs". Nobody gives a fuck what his beliefs are, and your comments are a reflection of the catastrophic decline of regard for rationality in this culture. His job was to follow the law.
Pence and Trump are still on good terms which tells me we might be overblowing things. I don't like that he didn't take a stand, but it wouldn't have achieved anything. People act like Pence had the power to determine who would become the next president. That is laughable. If that was the case then Al Gore would be in his 6th term as president right now.
The one good thing from all of this is that Pence is now out of the 2024 discussion. He was alright as a VP, but I never thought he had what it would take to be president and I didn't like that people were just assuming he would become president one day.
Look I think what this is going to boil down to is some stupid orders given at some point in the day, which basically went like this. "If the door gets breached, shoot". Like perhaps on the other side of that door was an unknown situation of protected peoples, and the coincidence of their position, combined with the timing of the doors glass being breached, lead to a police officer on the ground taking the shot. They were clearly overwhelmed by this situation, and probably not well trained for this. Think about the worst thing that's ever happened at the capital prior to this day. Staff were poorly managed, and the decision not to allow the national guard in to protect the building, was really bad. Also, people should never have been pushed to go down to the capital building. I watched live that day, and I felt we'd have had a better vote that day without the storming of the capital. The turning point, seemed to be Pence, and whilst people seem to hate the guy, at least he made a decision that was inline with his beliefs regardless of the consequence. We never really asked Pence whether this was what he wanted. I think forcing this on the guy was the wrong way to approach this, demanding that he take action when all the courts are completely against him leading up to this, and it was a no win situation.
I can't defend Pence, or give him a pass. At least one state was asking for more time. There was no constitutionally set time line. If more time was needed for something as important as the office of the POTUS and election fraud, then so be it. Pence could have, and should, have suspended for another 10 days which was reasonable. The Republicans and Trump were out played in politics this time. Pence caved at a critical time. He failed to lead. His written statement admitted that there was fraud, then said he wasn't in a position to do anything about it. It was pure political waffling in a time when the country needed resolve. He was the ONLY person in a position to do something about it. He simply failed. There is no defense.
As soon as he backstabed potus we all went inside to disrupt the illegal coup
Then the next day all the fags called it antifa
His job wasn't to do what what was "in line with his beliefs". Nobody gives a fuck what his beliefs are, and your comments are a reflection of the catastrophic decline of regard for rationality in this culture. His job was to follow the law.
FUCK OFF HANDSHAKE FAGGOT. GO SUCK PENCE'S DICK ON REDDIT.
What's wrong with pence
Pence and Trump are still on good terms which tells me we might be overblowing things. I don't like that he didn't take a stand, but it wouldn't have achieved anything. People act like Pence had the power to determine who would become the next president. That is laughable. If that was the case then Al Gore would be in his 6th term as president right now.
The one good thing from all of this is that Pence is now out of the 2024 discussion. He was alright as a VP, but I never thought he had what it would take to be president and I didn't like that people were just assuming he would become president one day.
Only on good terms because pence apologized and bent the knee
Well if all it took was an apology for Trump, that says that Trump knew there was nothing Pence could do.
Literally called him a coward jan 6th 3pm on Twitter