China wasn't even close to developing into a real problem for the US until the late 90s. You can also actually place a lot of the blame at GHWB, Clinton et al for not listening to the advice of the old Nixon admin guys at the fall of the Soviet Union, who recommended a version of the Marshall Plan for Russia and the other fall out states of the USSR.
Normalized relations with China was all about defeating the Soviets. It worked, clearly, even if the admins after totally dropped the ball and/or bent over willingly (Carter & Clinton for sure and to an extent, GWB).
I think you're confusing motive and means with the end result. The end result was profiteering, but when isn't it? Plus, Nixon hated the elites and vice versa so he was a pawn as President and foreign policy genius I guess in all of that or he was complicit? I also don't see how not normalizing relations with China would've helped us, not to mention there was plenty of reason to keep up the Cold War as far as profits go. My point being it wasn't the normalizing relations that fucked us it was the management of the rise of China that fucked us.
I totally get the sentiments of fuck Kissinger and fuck Nixon even if I don't totally agree with that.... but not particularly on this issue. There are so many other people to point the finger at. Any sources you would recommend that explain it better?
These people don't think 5 years out, they plan and create for 50-150 years forward. He did his part with getting China to where it is today. Also CCP was formed in part by outsiders, non-chinese.
I think that they actually just duped the Bush 41 admin, bought off the Clintons, duped another President Bush and of course there is a ton of Chinese money behind Obama.
Not to mention wage stagnation creating a seemingly endless need for us to have cheap plastic shit in this country.
The outsourcing of the US to china was planned by kissinger and others. All the admins you mentioned were a part of it, and kissinger being a key advisor to all of them.
Do you have any source for this opinion? I'd like to know more but that's a pretty loaded statement. Kissinger was simply the leg man for Nixon's idea of normalizing relations. The other side of the argument were the neoliberal establishment, spearheaded by GHW Bush who wanted an even more globalist and interventionist approach. Which IMO likely would've resulted in another Asian proxy war in China over Taiwan.
Again, I think you and others are confusing the end result that largely occurred in the last 20 years to the diplomacy that occurred 50 years ago. One thing resulted in the other but there was no plan that I am aware of. Kissinger initially had no interest in China at all according to most accounts, it was simply Richard Nixon practicing good foreign policy (in the context of winning/ending the Cold War). You've got to at least give that credit at the bare minimum.
Well back then the bigger threat was the Soviet Union and China was still an impoverished back water shit hole after Mao Zedong screwed it up. He probably didn’t foresee the rise of China as a great power.
No, Kev, that's not what they mean. Kissinger's praise here is spot on. But his track record of advice has lead to China's rise and, like all pre-Trump administrations, total quagmire in the Middle-East. They're just pointing out that his praise is ironic.
The OP was not meant to be a praise of Kissinger. I understand he's done some shitty things, but he's also done a great deal of good for world peace.
I thought he made a great point, and I refuse to cow-tow to the cancel-culture mindset that is growing here.
There's way to much killing the messenger without paying attention to the message.
That's not healthy for rational discourse, and just like my encounters with real lefties on Twitter, their resorting to immediate name-calling and chest thumping is bothersome.
Thanks again for addressing his take on policy. Others could learn from your well-reasoned response.
This guy is poisonous. I wouldn't trust anything he says. It makes me very suspicious of this statement, especially when Trump kicked him out of his lifetime government grift. Remember: it was Kissinger who thought it was a good idea to coddle the CCP thinking they'd "come around" to "American democracy" eventually. How'd that work out?
Biden is fucked on this... he’s balancing Syria on the premise that diplomacy doesn’t work. The Trump admin was completely on point with messaging and force used. Biden admin will attempt to muddy the waters and create confusion with false narratives and fake posturing news from Syria and Russia.
Exactly. Trump’s policy in the Middle East was fantastic! Kissinger framing it as a success will make the dems dig in their heels even more and go in the opposite direction.
Kiss is a fucking faggot.
The "fucking faggot" knows a shit-load more than most people about the political dynamics in the Middle East.
Thank you sharing your vast intellect with the rest of the class. We are all the better for your compelling insights. /s
Fuck off commie faggot. Kissinger helped to create the fucking Chinese hell you now live in America.
There’s some vast intellect asswipe.
China wasn't even close to developing into a real problem for the US until the late 90s. You can also actually place a lot of the blame at GHWB, Clinton et al for not listening to the advice of the old Nixon admin guys at the fall of the Soviet Union, who recommended a version of the Marshall Plan for Russia and the other fall out states of the USSR.
Normalized relations with China was all about defeating the Soviets. It worked, clearly, even if the admins after totally dropped the ball and/or bent over willingly (Carter & Clinton for sure and to an extent, GWB).
Normalizing relations with China was all about the elites making money just as it is today.
That’s why Kissinger is a faggot because he sold his country out.
I think you're confusing motive and means with the end result. The end result was profiteering, but when isn't it? Plus, Nixon hated the elites and vice versa so he was a pawn as President and foreign policy genius I guess in all of that or he was complicit? I also don't see how not normalizing relations with China would've helped us, not to mention there was plenty of reason to keep up the Cold War as far as profits go. My point being it wasn't the normalizing relations that fucked us it was the management of the rise of China that fucked us.
I totally get the sentiments of fuck Kissinger and fuck Nixon even if I don't totally agree with that.... but not particularly on this issue. There are so many other people to point the finger at. Any sources you would recommend that explain it better?
Kissinger always kissed up to the commies. China and Russia.
These people don't think 5 years out, they plan and create for 50-150 years forward. He did his part with getting China to where it is today. Also CCP was formed in part by outsiders, non-chinese.
I think that they actually just duped the Bush 41 admin, bought off the Clintons, duped another President Bush and of course there is a ton of Chinese money behind Obama.
Not to mention wage stagnation creating a seemingly endless need for us to have cheap plastic shit in this country.
The outsourcing of the US to china was planned by kissinger and others. All the admins you mentioned were a part of it, and kissinger being a key advisor to all of them.
Do you have any source for this opinion? I'd like to know more but that's a pretty loaded statement. Kissinger was simply the leg man for Nixon's idea of normalizing relations. The other side of the argument were the neoliberal establishment, spearheaded by GHW Bush who wanted an even more globalist and interventionist approach. Which IMO likely would've resulted in another Asian proxy war in China over Taiwan.
Again, I think you and others are confusing the end result that largely occurred in the last 20 years to the diplomacy that occurred 50 years ago. One thing resulted in the other but there was no plan that I am aware of. Kissinger initially had no interest in China at all according to most accounts, it was simply Richard Nixon practicing good foreign policy (in the context of winning/ending the Cold War). You've got to at least give that credit at the bare minimum.
Well back then the bigger threat was the Soviet Union and China was still an impoverished back water shit hole after Mao Zedong screwed it up. He probably didn’t foresee the rise of China as a great power.
Except he preferred detente with Russia too because the motherfucker was always sucking communist dick. Thank God Reagan didn’t go along with it.
This is what he said about Trump’s push back against China.
“Trump has a more confrontational method of negotiation than you can apply indefinitely”.
The fuckhole is a communist defeatist.
Fuck him.
Besides opening relations with China, how did he help create the "fucking Chines hell" you are referring to?
Please expand on your intellectual argument just a bit.
You need to look into kissinger he is the worst of the worst
"Fuck Trump! Go Biden!"
I get it.
No, Kev, that's not what they mean. Kissinger's praise here is spot on. But his track record of advice has lead to China's rise and, like all pre-Trump administrations, total quagmire in the Middle-East. They're just pointing out that his praise is ironic.
Thanks for the rational response.
The OP was not meant to be a praise of Kissinger. I understand he's done some shitty things, but he's also done a great deal of good for world peace.
I thought he made a great point, and I refuse to cow-tow to the cancel-culture mindset that is growing here.
There's way to much killing the messenger without paying attention to the message.
That's not healthy for rational discourse, and just like my encounters with real lefties on Twitter, their resorting to immediate name-calling and chest thumping is bothersome.
Thanks again for addressing his take on policy. Others could learn from your well-reasoned response.
Cheers.
Yeah that's what I meant don't look into it stay ignorant
I'm old enough to remember Nixon's trip to China, and I consider myself pretty well informed.
Pick an actual, individual policy or action, and I'd be happy to have a discussion.
I actually agreed with Ilhan Omar a couple weeks ago when she harshly criticized Biden for bombing Syria.
Having an open mind and focusing on policy instead of individuals will set you free to actually learn something.
Do your own research, faggot.
Kissinger's ties to CHYNA and the China dove factions in the US is well-known.
Besides opening relations with a commie country that eventually led to a most favored nation status what the fuck else reason do you need asswipe?
There is zero reason to support Israel if you’re not Jewish
They do nothing for us. It’s a completely one sided relationship.
This guy is poisonous. I wouldn't trust anything he says. It makes me very suspicious of this statement, especially when Trump kicked him out of his lifetime government grift. Remember: it was Kissinger who thought it was a good idea to coddle the CCP thinking they'd "come around" to "American democracy" eventually. How'd that work out?
Kissinger benefited from it ;he and the other globalists propped up mao zaedong.
Broken clocks are right twice a day
the military industrial complex is hungry, it has been starving for 4 years. Its preparing to gorge itself
Kissinger is only interested in one nation;that is also what Kushner is Interested in,and that nation is not America.
That’s my thinking on this too
Henry Kissinger, Hillary Clinton's second favorite mentor.
Beware The Reptilians
Of course because it’s good for the Israel Zionist Kissinger is a snake Zionist
I’m hoping he undoes all of it and a massive war breaks out. Let the Dems own it.
Wow. Has hell frozen over?
This after he was removed from the Defense Policy Board. Kinda surprised.
Link - https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kissinger-biden-must-uphold-trump-admins-brilliant-success-in-the-middle-east/
Biden is fucked on this... he’s balancing Syria on the premise that diplomacy doesn’t work. The Trump admin was completely on point with messaging and force used. Biden admin will attempt to muddy the waters and create confusion with false narratives and fake posturing news from Syria and Russia.
If you want dems to do the opposite of what you say, tell them it was Trump’s plan and it was brilliant.
TDS uber alles for the left.
We shouldn’t be happy about Kissinger.
Exactly. Trump’s policy in the Middle East was fantastic! Kissinger framing it as a success will make the dems dig in their heels even more and go in the opposite direction.
I guess Hell froze over again. The old, so called diplomats, could have achieved peace in the Middle East years ago, but chose not to.
Good luck with that one, Dr. Kissinger.
Probably speaking in communist 180 speak as a signal.
Kissinger is an evil communist and will burn in hell.