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KuhlooKuhlay 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think that they actually just duped the Bush 41 admin, bought off the Clintons, duped another President Bush and of course there is a ton of Chinese money behind Obama.

Not to mention wage stagnation creating a seemingly endless need for us to have cheap plastic shit in this country.

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lemonjuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

The outsourcing of the US to china was planned by kissinger and others. All the admins you mentioned were a part of it, and kissinger being a key advisor to all of them.

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KuhlooKuhlay 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you have any source for this opinion? I'd like to know more but that's a pretty loaded statement. Kissinger was simply the leg man for Nixon's idea of normalizing relations. The other side of the argument were the neoliberal establishment, spearheaded by GHW Bush who wanted an even more globalist and interventionist approach. Which IMO likely would've resulted in another Asian proxy war in China over Taiwan.

Again, I think you and others are confusing the end result that largely occurred in the last 20 years to the diplomacy that occurred 50 years ago. One thing resulted in the other but there was no plan that I am aware of. Kissinger initially had no interest in China at all according to most accounts, it was simply Richard Nixon practicing good foreign policy (in the context of winning/ending the Cold War). You've got to at least give that credit at the bare minimum.

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lemonjuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hard to show you a simple one source, when it takes 20 hours+ of data just to get someone up to speed.

I'm not looking at this from a blind perspective. I've studied this man. The optics makes it look like he served Nixon, it's the other way around. Nixon had to bend his knees for kissinger.

It should be noted Mao and the CCP didn't come to power on their own. They had other people from the west to setup the CCP. More than likely these people are still in control in the background to this day. But we only chinese faces in our perspective, but those people like sidney rittenberg were in full control in the Nixon era.

He is always in support of a NWO and Liberal World Order.

Also, how does this one guy seem to involve himself in every single US presidency? Why does he get to be the one that influences US foreign policy every time?

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KuhlooKuhlay 1 point ago +1 / -0

So basically "everything's fake and the NWO controls both sides ever and always."

I dunno man. I'm willing to be open minded but you're just giving me really broad strokes and then saying Kissinger is the master mind behind it all. I could ask you the same questions: yeah, why him? I tend to think his successes and relative effectiveness in diplomacy is why he proliferates but again I'm open to alternative theories just give me some kind of meat here.

GHW Bush and many others were against this. The Soviets and other communists presumably were against normalizing relations with China. The Taiwanese were against it. The Japanese and Koreans were against normalizing relations. The JFK/Cold Warrior Democrat crowd was also against it. The media was largely skeptical and critical of it. Goldwater Conservatives were critical, normie liberals were critical, hippies were critical. So again if anything close to what you're saying is true then basically the Cold War was a complete farce so both the Cold War and anti-Cold War crowd were in on it.

Yes, Henry Kissinger is and was a globalist. However, the term globalist means something completely different in the context of bipolarity that existed under the terms of the Cold War. You seem to be living in an alternate timeline where the US isolates themselves trade and military wise and somehow is in a better place than we are now and not under the boot of literal communist oppression and/or occupation.