lol screw that, don't start defunding doctors. I don't even use them but I'm sure I'll need one one day. and there's plenty of good reason they make so much. fauci is not a doctor, don't be fooled.
California entry level is 100K. Takes no brains, no long term study and no skill. Higher ups in the force earn as much as 300K a year after benefits and salary.
Average across the nation is 67K, but many towns never see a threat lime a big city. Hell, getting in your car could kill you more than a cop’s job. I won’t discount the job a cop does, nor a fireman or first responder, but to even try and compare them with a brain surgeon or is just asinine.
I think a lot of college pricing comes from it being so easy to obtain a loan. Colleges know this and have no incentive to compete in prices. Every business owner would like to charge twice what they're charging right now, but they can't, because everyone is sensitive to price increases. If government issued student loans were abolished, then colleges would have to lower prices to attract consumers.
they are paid out the ass because they are responsible for lives and most of them work hard and do a great job. Also they went to school for 8+ years to be able to do it.
I'm happy they are paid so well. People should be asking "why am I not paid the same as a doctor?" instead of trying to drag the doctor down to their level.
Cops and firemen save lives too and only grt 50k. Keep in mind this is just the average. A lot if them make 500k a year. American healthcare is so corrupt.
Your just wrong, its not screwed up. Businesses are valued based on how long it would take you to build the same business. Same with professions, you get paid relative to how difficult it is for someone new to perform the same job
Tell me, then, what amount should we pay doctors?
Or are you just blowing off some steam?
I’d really like to know how far down this socialist hellhole you’d like to go.
If you’re serious, then please inform us of the exact amount we must pay farmers, and lawyers, and teachers, and firefighters. Police, too. Maybe you can dictate the take home pay of hairdressers and fry-cooks, as well. Won’t that be great?
Eventually, of course, you’ll have to have a schedule of all the acceptable jobs and the prescribed pay for that position — make it part of your “ten year plan” — and if people don’t like their prescribed pay, well, there are so many qualified applicants that would love to be a Neurosurgeon or Nuclear Physicist.
All doctors are not created equal. Ever see Elon Musk’s hairline when he was at PayPal? Look at it today. Whoever did the transplant was a doctor and he or she probably charged well in excess of 300k. The salary of a family practitioner is typically far less than a specialist such as a pulmonologist or an oncologist. In turn, those docs earn less than GOOD plastic surgeons.
This is a median and not an average so there’s less weighting towards the high earners. Still though, there are a lot of specializations in medicine and that’s where the big bucks comes in.
Its the same for pilots....some of which make more than $300k a year.
You are paying them back for their $120,000 initial investment in training and college, plus the work required to complete the two (in addition to the money).
You are also paying for their experience and skills as well.
Think about it this way....is it fair that a Barista who left highschool and works at Starbucks for the 8 years of training a doctor must have has made $180,000 over the course of those eight years while the doctor has $300,000 in debt?
Hardly seems fair that if you snapshot things to the moment a doctor actually can get paid for work that the barista has a $480,000 advantage over the doctor.
The huge salary is to catch up for lost time and income during training, pay for your skills, and to pay for your experience.
If you elimate that (Which is impossible except under socialism because hospitals will pay top dollar for top doctors) nobody would ever be a doctor because the smartest and most driven hardworkers in society would realize that being a barista is more money in the long run while also being MUCH less work and responsibility.
They spend a shitload of time and money to become doctors...and then take on serious responsibility and very expensive insurance. They certainly should earn $300k.
A ten year (or greater) time investment being required is a probably a big part of it. Not only that, a single mistake can end their entire career in the form of a malpractice suit.
I don't have a problem at all with doctors being paid well. I don't understand why anyone would, provided that there's an expectation that the doctors in question are acting in good faith towards patients.
Lawyers study almost 10 years and gry paid 4 times less.
You honestly dont think the average of 300 isn’t absurd? I understand 150k average but 300? Get lost punk.
Its the same for pilots. $150K to fly a 747 is considered an insult and those companies that pay that much only hire pilots who cant find work elsewhere due to multiple incidents and checkride/training failures.
Now, you CAN buy a ticket on an airline with a pilot paid $150K a year but its the same guy who crashed that plane in a simulator during a test. Are you going to buy that ticket?
Law firms also get a significant percentage of monetary awards given to their clients. I've seen it as high as 30% depending on the firm. Plus, they're lawyers. I think you think you made a good point here, but it's asinine.
Those are personal injury lawyers you speak of. In addition to getting a third of the fee, they also pay 100 percent of the case costs and they don’t get that back if they lose the case or don’t get a big recovery. It’s very common for case expenses to exceed 100k in a “big” case. It takes years for those big cases to go to trial, meaning the lawyer sinks 100k or more into a case on the hope that years down the road he will get it back. Also, the IRS does not allow a lawyer to deduct that 100k as a business expense. The 100k doesn’t become a “cost of doing business” until the case is lost. So the tax code fucks lawyers harder than professionals like doctors or stock brokers.
Many (maybe most) lawyers never break 100k in salary. Most lawyers never ever break 300k. My ex girlfriend worked at an injury firm. They started new lawyers (in 2018) at 45k salary. She was in accounting and made more than a number of lawyers at that firm. The partners each took home 500k or more but the peons scraped by. So fuck the greedy lawyers at the top of the pyramid but realize that (just like in most professions) the fat cats only get rich off the backs of regular workers who are just trying to get by.
Why not?
lol screw that, don't start defunding doctors. I don't even use them but I'm sure I'll need one one day. and there's plenty of good reason they make so much. fauci is not a doctor, don't be fooled.
I wonder how much of their salary comes from drug companies for pushing their poison.
Because it’s relative to the amount of time, effort and skill required to be a doctor.
Maybe when you grow up and need a surgery you’ll understand the basis for their value.
Do you feel thr same about cops who risk their lives for your safety and grt 6 times less on average?
See, you made another mistake.
California entry level is 100K. Takes no brains, no long term study and no skill. Higher ups in the force earn as much as 300K a year after benefits and salary.
Average across the nation is 67K, but many towns never see a threat lime a big city. Hell, getting in your car could kill you more than a cop’s job. I won’t discount the job a cop does, nor a fireman or first responder, but to even try and compare them with a brain surgeon or is just asinine.
No because the level of talent required to be a police officer is far lower than that if someone who can open your chest and you still wake up...
Wish I could make that for PRACTICING my job. No recertification requirements. Must be nice. No wonder they have expensive malpractice insurance.
Why is medical school $80k+ per year?
I think a lot of college pricing comes from it being so easy to obtain a loan. Colleges know this and have no incentive to compete in prices. Every business owner would like to charge twice what they're charging right now, but they can't, because everyone is sensitive to price increases. If government issued student loans were abolished, then colleges would have to lower prices to attract consumers.
Congratulations, you are one of the minority few who understand what has been happening since Obama guaranteed government loans
they are paid out the ass because they are responsible for lives and most of them work hard and do a great job. Also they went to school for 8+ years to be able to do it.
I'm happy they are paid so well. People should be asking "why am I not paid the same as a doctor?" instead of trying to drag the doctor down to their level.
Cops and firemen save lives too and only grt 50k. Keep in mind this is just the average. A lot if them make 500k a year. American healthcare is so corrupt.
Your just wrong, its not screwed up. Businesses are valued based on how long it would take you to build the same business. Same with professions, you get paid relative to how difficult it is for someone new to perform the same job
Tell me, then, what amount should we pay doctors? Or are you just blowing off some steam?
I’d really like to know how far down this socialist hellhole you’d like to go.
If you’re serious, then please inform us of the exact amount we must pay farmers, and lawyers, and teachers, and firefighters. Police, too. Maybe you can dictate the take home pay of hairdressers and fry-cooks, as well. Won’t that be great?
Eventually, of course, you’ll have to have a schedule of all the acceptable jobs and the prescribed pay for that position — make it part of your “ten year plan” — and if people don’t like their prescribed pay, well, there are so many qualified applicants that would love to be a Neurosurgeon or Nuclear Physicist.
I mean, if you’re serious...
All doctors are not created equal. Ever see Elon Musk’s hairline when he was at PayPal? Look at it today. Whoever did the transplant was a doctor and he or she probably charged well in excess of 300k. The salary of a family practitioner is typically far less than a specialist such as a pulmonologist or an oncologist. In turn, those docs earn less than GOOD plastic surgeons.
This is a median and not an average so there’s less weighting towards the high earners. Still though, there are a lot of specializations in medicine and that’s where the big bucks comes in.
Its the same for pilots....some of which make more than $300k a year.
You are paying them back for their $120,000 initial investment in training and college, plus the work required to complete the two (in addition to the money).
You are also paying for their experience and skills as well.
Think about it this way....is it fair that a Barista who left highschool and works at Starbucks for the 8 years of training a doctor must have has made $180,000 over the course of those eight years while the doctor has $300,000 in debt?
Hardly seems fair that if you snapshot things to the moment a doctor actually can get paid for work that the barista has a $480,000 advantage over the doctor.
The huge salary is to catch up for lost time and income during training, pay for your skills, and to pay for your experience.
If you elimate that (Which is impossible except under socialism because hospitals will pay top dollar for top doctors) nobody would ever be a doctor because the smartest and most driven hardworkers in society would realize that being a barista is more money in the long run while also being MUCH less work and responsibility.
They spend a shitload of time and money to become doctors...and then take on serious responsibility and very expensive insurance. They certainly should earn $300k.
If it's the going market price, then good for them.
A ten year (or greater) time investment being required is a probably a big part of it. Not only that, a single mistake can end their entire career in the form of a malpractice suit.
I don't have a problem at all with doctors being paid well. I don't understand why anyone would, provided that there's an expectation that the doctors in question are acting in good faith towards patients.
Lawyers study almost 10 years and gry paid 4 times less. You honestly dont think the average of 300 isn’t absurd? I understand 150k average but 300? Get lost punk.
Its the same for pilots. $150K to fly a 747 is considered an insult and those companies that pay that much only hire pilots who cant find work elsewhere due to multiple incidents and checkride/training failures.
Now, you CAN buy a ticket on an airline with a pilot paid $150K a year but its the same guy who crashed that plane in a simulator during a test. Are you going to buy that ticket?
Its the exact same thing with doctors.
Law firms also get a significant percentage of monetary awards given to their clients. I've seen it as high as 30% depending on the firm. Plus, they're lawyers. I think you think you made a good point here, but it's asinine.
Those are personal injury lawyers you speak of. In addition to getting a third of the fee, they also pay 100 percent of the case costs and they don’t get that back if they lose the case or don’t get a big recovery. It’s very common for case expenses to exceed 100k in a “big” case. It takes years for those big cases to go to trial, meaning the lawyer sinks 100k or more into a case on the hope that years down the road he will get it back. Also, the IRS does not allow a lawyer to deduct that 100k as a business expense. The 100k doesn’t become a “cost of doing business” until the case is lost. So the tax code fucks lawyers harder than professionals like doctors or stock brokers.
Many (maybe most) lawyers never break 100k in salary. Most lawyers never ever break 300k. My ex girlfriend worked at an injury firm. They started new lawyers (in 2018) at 45k salary. She was in accounting and made more than a number of lawyers at that firm. The partners each took home 500k or more but the peons scraped by. So fuck the greedy lawyers at the top of the pyramid but realize that (just like in most professions) the fat cats only get rich off the backs of regular workers who are just trying to get by.
No intelligent person would make the huge investment to become a doctor to only make $150k.