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NullifyAndSecede 13 points ago +15 / -2

Whoever desires liberty, should understand these vital facts, viz.: 1. That every man who puts money into the hands of a “government” (so called), puts into its hands a sword which will be used against himself, to extort more money from him, and also to keep him in subjection to its arbitrary will. 2. That those who will take his money, without his consent, in the first place, will use it for his further robbery and enslavement, if he presumes to resist their demands in the future.

— Lysander Spooner

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somethinga9230k 2 points ago +4 / -2

But as I have written elsewhere, whether this holds depends very much on what kind of specific government he is dealing with. And how will you have any chance of protecting your country from death and destruction without an at least somewhat effective military and government? The nations that survived and thrived in history tended to have governments, states, people, etc. that were very good at waging war and defending their countries reg. military force.

And instead of completely giving up on the concept of government and letting only leftists control and use government for their purpose, would it not be much better for the people of the USA to take back their government, clean it up and reform it, and deal with the groups that infiltrated, subverted and took over the government of the USA? You, the shill, who have previously argued for no government (such as here https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), while never once even attempted to meaningfully argue for it, including how a nation and country is supposed to defend itself effectively and with some hope of survival against foreign and external threats, both direct (like military force) and indirect threats (like mass immigration of people that are much less than the best of their origin and directly hostile to the given country and its ways and people). And who also compared the USA to Islam: https://patriots.win/p/12hkhqmyBu/x/c/4DyMGuz1z69 , https://archive.li/Lw6Iy , despite how extremely enslaving (completely overshadowing the slavery period of the USA) and genocidal (including in modern times, see for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide ) Islam was and is. And you have also multiple times in the past promoted Murray N. Rothbard ( see for instance https://archive.li/8Pzqv ), despite you yourself acknowledging that Murray N. Rothbard promoted the trading and seeming enslavement of children (see for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard#Children's_rights_and_parental_obligations ). (was Murray N. Rothbard against government because some governments punish child rape and child slavery?).

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NullifyAndSecede -3 points ago +3 / -6

And how will you have any chance of protecting your country from death and destruction without an at least somewhat effective military and government?

Individuals protecting their own property and working together to protect each other on a voluntary basis.

Without a central command a country not being in the state of control by domestic forces would be even harder for foreign forces to control (by replacing the existing power structure)

Much as the internet was designed to be resilient in the face of a nuclear attack, a decentralized populace would be more resilient to invasions than one that is already subjugated under a central authority.

https://mises.org/library/myth-national-defense-essays-theory-and-history-security-production

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somethinga9230k 3 points ago +4 / -1

You aren't even putting effort into your fully intentional lies and manipulations or meaningless rhetoric, shill. Though it may work well to distract. Such as your promotion of a professor that you yourself acknowledges advocated for "commercial trading of children".

So again, given that you continue distracting among other tactics and tricks and that it is still relevant:

But as I have written elsewhere, whether this holds depends very much on what kind of specific government he is dealing with. And how will you have any chance of protecting your country from death and destruction without an at least somewhat effective military and government? The nations that survived and thrived in history tended to have governments, states, people, etc. that were very good at waging war and defending their countries reg. military force.

And instead of completely giving up on the concept of government and letting only leftists control and use government for their purpose, would it not be much better for the people of the USA to take back their government, clean it up and reform it, and deal with the groups that infiltrated, subverted and took over the government of the USA? You, the shill, who have previously argued for no government (such as here https://patriots.win/p/12hRj4ORRX/x/c/4Dx5uPLB4Fg , https://archive.li/gyDmi ), while never once even attempted to meaningfully argue for it, including how a nation and country is supposed to defend itself effectively and with some hope of survival against foreign and external threats, both direct (like military force) and indirect threats (like mass immigration of people that are much less than the best of their origin and directly hostile to the given country and its ways and people). And who also compared the USA to Islam: https://patriots.win/p/12hkhqmyBu/x/c/4DyMGuz1z69 , https://archive.li/Lw6Iy , despite how extremely enslaving (completely overshadowing the slavery period of the USA) and genocidal (including in modern times, see for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide ) Islam was and is. And you have also multiple times in the past promoted Murray N. Rothbard ( see for instance https://archive.li/8Pzqv ), despite you yourself acknowledging that Murray N. Rothbard promoted the trading and seeming enslavement of children (see for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard#Children's_rights_and_parental_obligations ). (was Murray N. Rothbard against government because some governments punish child rape and child slavery?).

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NullifyAndSecede 1 point ago +1 / -0

But as I have written elsewhere, whether this holds depends very much on what kind of specific government he is dealing with.

What specific form and role of government do you find to be necessary and legitimate?

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christianknight -1 points ago +1 / -2

Abolish the government.