Fentafloyd died in the morning, before 9 o'clock (it was pronounced dead at the hospital around 9:30 AM).
The toxicology exam was taken about 12 hours after that.
Fentanyl's half-life is somewhere between 2 to 4 hours. Let's take 4 to be conservative.
At time of death the blood concentration was ~8x higher than the toxicology exam (3 half-lives).
At time of death, Fentafloyd had ~90 ng/mL of fentanyl in the blood.
That is about ~10 times the average amount to overdose and die. Of course Fentafloyd might have some resistance since that was not his first rodeo of swalling drugs when stopped by cops.
Edit: points 2-3 do not apply, as some of you pointed out. I'll keep it so people understand the context of the corrections.
One of the main issues is that we are allowing them to control the narrative. What if we insisted that the real narrative is actually that China has flooded the US with fentanyl to kills thousands of people like George Floyd and destroy our cities? The conversation would become very different. Why is it that we have a genuine public health crisis where people are actually dying in the streets yet we refuse to discuss it and our health departments ignore it?
This is what pisses me off the most. Sunday will mark 1 year since a lost a very close friend to fentanyl. Single mom working at a vet and going to school, left a 5 year old kid behind. She was an addict, but had been clean for a few years, made one decision to get fucked up and died over it.
The numbers are nothing short of jaw dropping and it is absolutely a serious public health crisis yet all we get are crickets. However, someone might catch a new flu and it is wall to wall mass hysteria. We live in very strange times. Sorry for your loss.
I've seen a lot of drug abuse over the years through family, friends, and through my industry. I struggled with alcohol for a few years after I left the millitary, if you need someone to talk to any time pm me and you can grab my number.
CDC blocked this narrative when they blamed the opioid epidemic on prescription narcotics vs illicit narcotics - double counting overdoses, adding any death as OD with opioids in system and not directing further testing protocols for morgues (Remind you of anything?). Yes, OxyContin was the tip of the spear, but it’s been 10-15 years since that was “the” issue. Diversion is one thing and pill mills are pretty much shut down, but those pale in comparison to the amount of synthetic analogs flooding dope markets since about 2010.
Looking at his tox tells me he got a few pressed fake Oxys (or bad Molly) from a cartel downstream which are basically drug cocktails at this point. There are usually a few in the bag of 1000 meant to kill, while the rest are pressed out with meth, fent, coke and a few other oddities like horse tranquilizers, for fill etc. Fun stuff.
Oh that's so cute, you still think the government cares. No, they want they dead. They won't be happy until you're in the ground. So of course they don't talk the real problems facing americans, because to them you're scum and they wish you'd hurry up and off yourself
Could not agree more. We’re letting tens of thousands of our neighbors die each year in absolute misery and solitude. We need to change the narrative. Floyd deserves our sympathy and prayers as a victim of a totally different systemic problem. The media is poison.
Doesn't the "half life" refer to the metabolic rate of consumption?
So once his metabolism stops at death the amount in his system stays the same (or at least none is metabolized by his body). I'm sure there's another pathway of decay that is slower and more based on tissue decomposition, but that's another story.
That is a genuine interesting thought. I guess I applied my physics sloppily. Considering the flow of blood stopped with the arrest of respiratory functions, it must have had an effect on the circulation and rates of depletion of those substances.
I'd wager you're correct, but I cannot tell what's the relation between those rates. I suppose the digestion goes on for hours, but maybe it is not absorbed into the bloodstream and the report gives a fairer idea of the amount in the bloodstream, maybe it underestimates the amount not absorbed in the intestines. Also there would likely be an excess of products of the reaction in other tissues.
I guess my math would only work if he hadn't died.
It's getting outside of my wheelhouse, as I'm not a doctor, but drugs don't have a 'half life", that I'm aware of - and if he was deceased, his body would have stopped processing it, in his bloodstream or his digestive system.
Having said that, 11 ng/ml is death for anyone. I recall reading an article that most fentanyl deaths occur between 11-14 ng/ml. And, Floyd was not in good health to begin with. He was a long time drug abuser with heart problems, who was also smoking cigarettes (or smoking pot via blunts.) (he tested positive for both).
Not necessarily. Chemicals can still be absorbed into the tissue and taken out of the blood stream. Look into succinylcholine. It's a popular way to kill people via OD, because it burns through the blood stream so fast, it can be hard to pick up during an autopsy.
Are you saying he was going to die that day no matter what?
Also, why would an experienced junkie like Floyd take such a lethal dose? Did he know he was taking that much or did someone slip him a Mickie. I'd like to know the answer to that one.
Most likely his 2 "friends" were people he was meeting to sell fent or meth too. Cops pulled up he swallowed teh stash like he did in 2019.
Who else rolls around with shit load of drugs on them and meets randos in front of a convivence store, then just sits around after passing a fake 20 waiting for the cops to come? Put 2 and 2 together and it has all the hallmarks of a drug deal gone bad where he had to swallow his stash or wind up back in the big house.
That day? No. He had fairly serious heart issues and was a regular drug abuser, so he was burning his wick out pretty efficiently. But once he swallowed the evidence, he was headed for death pretty efficiently.
He didn't take that dosage to get high. He ate his stash, or part of it, so the cops wouldn't find it.
That seems to be the consensus. I think this site and its predecessor was more on top of the story than the places I was last June. I hadn't made that connection.
In this case half life is in reference to a living human breaking down or excreting the substance in question. When you die your body stops breaking it down. This guy was a hardcore user and had a lot of resistance it seems.
Fentafloyd died in the morning, before 9 o'clock (it was pronounced dead at the hospital around 9:30 AM).
The toxicology exam was taken about 12 hours after that.
Fentanyl's half-life is somewhere between 2 to 4 hours. Let's take 4 to be conservative.
At time of death the blood concentration was ~8x higher than the toxicology exam (3 half-lives).
At time of death, Fentafloyd had ~90 ng/mL of fentanyl in the blood.
That is about ~10 times the average amount to overdose and die. Of course Fentafloyd might have some resistance since that was not his first rodeo of swalling drugs when stopped by cops.
Edit: points 2-3 do not apply, as some of you pointed out. I'll keep it so people understand the context of the corrections.
One of the main issues is that we are allowing them to control the narrative. What if we insisted that the real narrative is actually that China has flooded the US with fentanyl to kills thousands of people like George Floyd and destroy our cities? The conversation would become very different. Why is it that we have a genuine public health crisis where people are actually dying in the streets yet we refuse to discuss it and our health departments ignore it?
This is what pisses me off the most. Sunday will mark 1 year since a lost a very close friend to fentanyl. Single mom working at a vet and going to school, left a 5 year old kid behind. She was an addict, but had been clean for a few years, made one decision to get fucked up and died over it.
The numbers are nothing short of jaw dropping and it is absolutely a serious public health crisis yet all we get are crickets. However, someone might catch a new flu and it is wall to wall mass hysteria. We live in very strange times. Sorry for your loss.
Agreed.. same here
I've seen a lot of drug abuse over the years through family, friends, and through my industry. I struggled with alcohol for a few years after I left the millitary, if you need someone to talk to any time pm me and you can grab my number.
Asymmetrical chemical warfare.
Damn. I’m sorry to hear that.
CDC blocked this narrative when they blamed the opioid epidemic on prescription narcotics vs illicit narcotics - double counting overdoses, adding any death as OD with opioids in system and not directing further testing protocols for morgues (Remind you of anything?). Yes, OxyContin was the tip of the spear, but it’s been 10-15 years since that was “the” issue. Diversion is one thing and pill mills are pretty much shut down, but those pale in comparison to the amount of synthetic analogs flooding dope markets since about 2010.
Looking at his tox tells me he got a few pressed fake Oxys (or bad Molly) from a cartel downstream which are basically drug cocktails at this point. There are usually a few in the bag of 1000 meant to kill, while the rest are pressed out with meth, fent, coke and a few other oddities like horse tranquilizers, for fill etc. Fun stuff.
Oh that's so cute, you still think the government cares. No, they want they dead. They won't be happy until you're in the ground. So of course they don't talk the real problems facing americans, because to them you're scum and they wish you'd hurry up and off yourself
Could not agree more. We’re letting tens of thousands of our neighbors die each year in absolute misery and solitude. We need to change the narrative. Floyd deserves our sympathy and prayers as a victim of a totally different systemic problem. The media is poison.
Doesn't the "half life" refer to the metabolic rate of consumption?
So once his metabolism stops at death the amount in his system stays the same (or at least none is metabolized by his body). I'm sure there's another pathway of decay that is slower and more based on tissue decomposition, but that's another story.
That is a genuine interesting thought. I guess I applied my physics sloppily. Considering the flow of blood stopped with the arrest of respiratory functions, it must have had an effect on the circulation and rates of depletion of those substances.
I'd wager you're correct, but I cannot tell what's the relation between those rates. I suppose the digestion goes on for hours, but maybe it is not absorbed into the bloodstream and the report gives a fairer idea of the amount in the bloodstream, maybe it underestimates the amount not absorbed in the intestines. Also there would likely be an excess of products of the reaction in other tissues.
I guess my math would only work if he hadn't died.
It's getting outside of my wheelhouse, as I'm not a doctor, but drugs don't have a 'half life", that I'm aware of - and if he was deceased, his body would have stopped processing it, in his bloodstream or his digestive system.
Having said that, 11 ng/ml is death for anyone. I recall reading an article that most fentanyl deaths occur between 11-14 ng/ml. And, Floyd was not in good health to begin with. He was a long time drug abuser with heart problems, who was also smoking cigarettes (or smoking pot via blunts.) (he tested positive for both).
Not necessarily. Chemicals can still be absorbed into the tissue and taken out of the blood stream. Look into succinylcholine. It's a popular way to kill people via OD, because it burns through the blood stream so fast, it can be hard to pick up during an autopsy.
Source : I watch too much forensic files. Lol
I've seen that episode at least twice! Excellent reference on decay.
There's multiple episodes where it's used, or they at least talk about it. See previous source. Lol
Are you saying he was going to die that day no matter what?
Also, why would an experienced junkie like Floyd take such a lethal dose? Did he know he was taking that much or did someone slip him a Mickie. I'd like to know the answer to that one.
There's been some previous (one at least) interaction between Floyd and the police where he swallowed the drugs so that the cops wouldn't find it.
If the seal is good you shit it out later no problem. My guess is this time the seal wasn't good and he drug got absorbed into his system.
I didn't know about the previous incident. That's a very plausible guess.
He was hoping for a repeat of his OD arrest from 2017.
After he was hospitalized for eating all his drugs, they declined to press charges.
It's a crime to have these drugs, but totally legal to get so high the cops have to rush you too the hospital instead of jail.
I can buy that one. Didn't know that history.
Floyd was an A1 piece of shit, but he didn't deserve to be killed by police.
However, since he took enough drugs to kill a horse in order to avoid prosecution, the police didn't kill him.
Looks like he swallowed his stash.
Most likely his 2 "friends" were people he was meeting to sell fent or meth too. Cops pulled up he swallowed teh stash like he did in 2019.
Who else rolls around with shit load of drugs on them and meets randos in front of a convivence store, then just sits around after passing a fake 20 waiting for the cops to come? Put 2 and 2 together and it has all the hallmarks of a drug deal gone bad where he had to swallow his stash or wind up back in the big house.
That day? No. He had fairly serious heart issues and was a regular drug abuser, so he was burning his wick out pretty efficiently. But once he swallowed the evidence, he was headed for death pretty efficiently.
He didn't take that dosage to get high. He ate his stash, or part of it, so the cops wouldn't find it.
That seems to be the consensus. I think this site and its predecessor was more on top of the story than the places I was last June. I hadn't made that connection.
In this case half life is in reference to a living human breaking down or excreting the substance in question. When you die your body stops breaking it down. This guy was a hardcore user and had a lot of resistance it seems.