Chauvin was put in a shitty situation. Adrenaline was high self preservation instincts kick in and all that, but in the end he mad a bad decision the question is physiologically did he have ample time to come down off the rush and think clearly, no I think not but that can't be proven, Hopefully if he is found guilty of anything it will be involuntary manslaughter. It pisses me off to high heaven that our officers are ever put in these situations. The judge that let Floyd walk after so many priors should be sitting on trial right next to Chauvin on much heftier charges. Ultimately Floyd is really responsible for all of it. He was the one using counterfeit money and allegedly selling drugs after being a felon already he knew the consequences of his actions. You and I know we can't blame the criminals though that is not politically leftist correct.
Have you watched all the body cam videos? There is one that is like an hour and some odd minutes long and shows multiple different body cams from different angles. They show the first angle to dramatize it. The second angle you can see they do check Floyd's pulse and stuff at the demand of the public onlookers. Yet, at that point would have been a fantastic time to let off the neck roll Floyd over and lean his head back and open the airway up more. In my opinion Floyd was likely going to die from the drugs but the perception of force could have been mitigated.
I don't think Chauvin should be guilty of any criminal action but I do believe he should have paid time off with counseling and reprimanded on the use of force. I think you and I both know though they will likely to throw him under the bus though to keep Minneapolis from burning to the ground. OPTICS OPTICS OPTICS when it comes to politics perception is everything. Truth be dammed.
I don't even think it's involuntary manslaughter, the autopsy was VERY clear as to how he died, and that he didn't suffer any injuries to his person as a result of his arrest. As for adrenaline, no, spikes of adrenaline occur when you're in danger, or something unexpected happens, he was surrounded by 3 police officers, and Floyd was handcuffed, what he experienced wouldn't have been adrenaline. His heart might have been pumping faster, but that's about it, similar to sex, or jogging. My point is adrenaline is something very specific. And not something that is going to be secreted for a full 8 minutes, and during those circumstances. As he was arresting him, when you don't know if he has a gun, certainly though.
I was referring to Chauvins adrenaline level. Physiologically he would likely have been highly pumped up naturally and rightfully so, I don't think there is a human alive that can just turn that instinct completely off. I am saying it is a justified defense for Chauvin because a stupid ass judge let a dangerous criminal out on the street and Chauvin was put in a position to battle a man twice his size not by his own choice but by Floyd's. Manslaughter at the greatest, if that . Excessive force reprimand definitely, at least. I feel like shit that Chauvin was put in this position. I feel like shit that Floyd let his life's decisions get that bad but ultimately I blame the judges/ lawyers and the revenuer system the most for perpetuation of this system for profit. .Sadducees and pharisees.
Yeah, as I said, Adrenaline is not something that occurs when you have full autonomy and control over the situation. If your argument is, that is a good legal defense, I've just shattered it. Secondly, he's not twice his size or weight, not even close, he does weighh more, but when he's cuffed, and surrounded by 3 other officers, who didn't feel the need to help in restraining him at that point, really not that relevant...Goodluck saying that in court by the way, that he's twice his weight, the Judge would tell the jury to discount that, and it would be stricken. On another note, there are studies that show sociopath's and psychopath's show very sound judgment and don't panic when in dangerous situations.
I think we are seeing the same thing in two different lights and describing the same thing in two separate ways. I firmly do believe that anyone in that situation , both sides, offense and defense would have experienced as surge of adrenaline and the only point I am making in regards to the adrenaline is different people come down off different highs in different ways. I simply stand firm that Chauvin could have had a surge of adrenaline put him on a high that took him a while to come down off. I have been in physical altercations on several occasions hand to hand full on combat(not war time) I have been jumped by multiple people. I have had police tackle me. I have been a bouncer in a bar for nearly 7 years in the past and still no matter how experienced you are in combat adrenaline does it's own thing it is involuntary and no science paper is going to tell me their study trumps my life experience. I am not going to debate what was in his mind and what he was thinking I am just stating the obvious. Some people get pushed to a point through no fault of their own with adrenaline that they have blackouts and beat the crap out of people and don't even remember what happened. With Chauvin trying to do his job and look over his shoulder the whole time due to outside forces gathering , you never know where the next attack could be coming from he could have had that level of adrenaline rush.
Chauvin was put in a shitty situation. Adrenaline was high self preservation instincts kick in and all that, but in the end he mad a bad decision the question is physiologically did he have ample time to come down off the rush and think clearly, no I think not but that can't be proven, Hopefully if he is found guilty of anything it will be involuntary manslaughter. It pisses me off to high heaven that our officers are ever put in these situations. The judge that let Floyd walk after so many priors should be sitting on trial right next to Chauvin on much heftier charges. Ultimately Floyd is really responsible for all of it. He was the one using counterfeit money and allegedly selling drugs after being a felon already he knew the consequences of his actions. You and I know we can't blame the criminals though that is not politically leftist correct.
Are you aware that the knee to the neck is part of many police departments' training, including Minneapolis?
Not after they stop breathing.
My understanding is that's not what happened.
Have you watched all the body cam videos? There is one that is like an hour and some odd minutes long and shows multiple different body cams from different angles. They show the first angle to dramatize it. The second angle you can see they do check Floyd's pulse and stuff at the demand of the public onlookers. Yet, at that point would have been a fantastic time to let off the neck roll Floyd over and lean his head back and open the airway up more. In my opinion Floyd was likely going to die from the drugs but the perception of force could have been mitigated.
I don't think Chauvin should be guilty of any criminal action but I do believe he should have paid time off with counseling and reprimanded on the use of force. I think you and I both know though they will likely to throw him under the bus though to keep Minneapolis from burning to the ground. OPTICS OPTICS OPTICS when it comes to politics perception is everything. Truth be dammed.
I don't even think it's involuntary manslaughter, the autopsy was VERY clear as to how he died, and that he didn't suffer any injuries to his person as a result of his arrest. As for adrenaline, no, spikes of adrenaline occur when you're in danger, or something unexpected happens, he was surrounded by 3 police officers, and Floyd was handcuffed, what he experienced wouldn't have been adrenaline. His heart might have been pumping faster, but that's about it, similar to sex, or jogging. My point is adrenaline is something very specific. And not something that is going to be secreted for a full 8 minutes, and during those circumstances. As he was arresting him, when you don't know if he has a gun, certainly though.
I was referring to Chauvins adrenaline level. Physiologically he would likely have been highly pumped up naturally and rightfully so, I don't think there is a human alive that can just turn that instinct completely off. I am saying it is a justified defense for Chauvin because a stupid ass judge let a dangerous criminal out on the street and Chauvin was put in a position to battle a man twice his size not by his own choice but by Floyd's. Manslaughter at the greatest, if that . Excessive force reprimand definitely, at least. I feel like shit that Chauvin was put in this position. I feel like shit that Floyd let his life's decisions get that bad but ultimately I blame the judges/ lawyers and the revenuer system the most for perpetuation of this system for profit. .Sadducees and pharisees.
Yeah, as I said, Adrenaline is not something that occurs when you have full autonomy and control over the situation. If your argument is, that is a good legal defense, I've just shattered it. Secondly, he's not twice his size or weight, not even close, he does weighh more, but when he's cuffed, and surrounded by 3 other officers, who didn't feel the need to help in restraining him at that point, really not that relevant...Goodluck saying that in court by the way, that he's twice his weight, the Judge would tell the jury to discount that, and it would be stricken. On another note, there are studies that show sociopath's and psychopath's show very sound judgment and don't panic when in dangerous situations.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-pros-to-being-a-psychopath-96723962/
I think we are seeing the same thing in two different lights and describing the same thing in two separate ways. I firmly do believe that anyone in that situation , both sides, offense and defense would have experienced as surge of adrenaline and the only point I am making in regards to the adrenaline is different people come down off different highs in different ways. I simply stand firm that Chauvin could have had a surge of adrenaline put him on a high that took him a while to come down off. I have been in physical altercations on several occasions hand to hand full on combat(not war time) I have been jumped by multiple people. I have had police tackle me. I have been a bouncer in a bar for nearly 7 years in the past and still no matter how experienced you are in combat adrenaline does it's own thing it is involuntary and no science paper is going to tell me their study trumps my life experience. I am not going to debate what was in his mind and what he was thinking I am just stating the obvious. Some people get pushed to a point through no fault of their own with adrenaline that they have blackouts and beat the crap out of people and don't even remember what happened. With Chauvin trying to do his job and look over his shoulder the whole time due to outside forces gathering , you never know where the next attack could be coming from he could have had that level of adrenaline rush.