i find this 'gun grab' distraction as comedy.
your mind is the weapon.
20 killdozers scattered around the US, could utterly resurface nearly all of the 'problems
you all are thinking too angrily and not concentrating on things like:
how many cities depend on a few bridges
i am not condoning violence. but i understand timothy mcveigh
well FBI, how far do you think this all goes?
theres ~400 million guns out there...
i wonder how many disgruntled construction workers you all are creating.
workers that have the knowledge and ability to use detonators...
my city is flat. doesnt need bridges and is easy to get around...
it would be awful and tragic if places like SF or manhattan lost their bridges...
just awful
supposedly drunk driving claims about ten thousand lives in the US every year.
alchohol is for all intents, still very legal... those tax dollars...
what would happen if people realized that their cars are weapons as well...
yes we should protect the right to bear arms...
BUT, they are also taking away freedom of speech, but nobody is AS alarmed, as the gun topic
jus' sayin'
John wilkes boothe would disagree. I wasn't moving the goal posts. And I am not suggesting or advocating violence in any form. Simply for the sake of arguement. A well placed and patiently timed shot, can stop an entire country in its tracks. When it comes to vehicles, they are, yes, and can be a very destructive tool. However, they rely on other constances that may not exist. Starter fails; no go. Empty or punctured fuel tank; still fucked. Mobility enabling devices: tires, tread, driveshaft, transmission, if any of these fail; fucked, everyone goes about their day. One well timed, and patiently waited for act of such a magnitude, that an entire country has no option but to address the situation, i.e. lack of leadership, and everything, at least on a governmental level, comes to an immediate halt. Look at the middle east. Hundreds of suicide bombers do all kinds of damage. The powers that be organize a clean up, and life goes on. Attacking society because of their leaders, does not deter their leaders. And no bulldozer, again only for the sake of arguement, not in any way shape or form advocating anything whatsoever, is going anywhere near any target that would make any fucking difference in the everyday, let alone continued, function of government, or society as a whole. That is a fact
its actually all entirely YOUR opinion;
a narcissist often passes their thoughts as 'factual'.
thats my current view of this entire discussion.
but i DO concede. you are right and i agree with you, 100%
i was wrong from the get-go. and will attest to that in court.
Narcissist? No. Conceited, yes, almost to a fault. As for my opinion, your word, is there still commerce in that town? Banking? Travel? An operating law enforcement? A population of employed, overpaid, underpaid citizenry? That is a fact. Life has gone on. Will they remember his actions, sure, for a generation, maybe two...... but what will last is the idea that what he did change is only temporary. Another corrupt system of banking management, local business licensing, state sanctioned land grabs will eventually make their way back into that community. Was he right, yeah, probably. Did he do it the right way. I am sure he thought so, save for the shooting himself part. Did that bulldozer make a difference? That remains to be seen. But I doubt that anyone wearing a suit and making money off the backs of that town's workers even gives him a second thought when they are writing up paperwork for multinational corporation that needs some land to operate.
this pede does not reflect for one iota about why they are so adamant about 'teaching me a lesson'
cus its what this is, no?
literally, classically, factually; narcissism
come on fren. im ok with it.
but your opinions are not facts.
you went from guns are better to the bulldozer didnt change anything. then to handtools then back to guns. cars are not reliable. then to john wilkes boothe killing lincoln, where nothing of the outcome of the civil war was changed. then onto bombs and explosives then back to and entirely different tangent on the psychological effects etc etc.
narcissism. textbook. goal posts moved: 5
and to which i was willing to comply; I AM COMPLETELY OK WITH...
im ok with everyone's opinions. its part of the debate environment...
but i must emphasize; your OPINIONS are not FACT.
boothe killed lincoln, with a gun.
the US still exists
and that act did not deter the act of kennedy's assasination...
another president killed.
the US continued to exist...
need i go on?
my OPINION is that if guns are confiscated, then move on to something else.
MY.
ENTIRE.
POINT.
but please. write another paragraph to dance around every thing.
And my entire point was that if the guns are given up, not taken, because in all reality that is what happens, the only place left to move is to the mass graves. Is a gun with no bullets not capable of dealing the same damage as a hammer? Can you pick up a bulldozer and put it in your pocket? If a gun is like a hammer, why not a knife? I was simply stating that no matter what device you use, be it a bulldozer, an exolosive, or a gun, it is the magnitude and position if the target that matters. Not a sect of general society. Two aircraft loaded with passengers were flown into the very heart of western societies financial industry. What happened? Everything stopped for what, a few weeks? Utilizing a tool to make a stand matters not when that tool can be disabled, or neutralized by societies acceptance of violence as we see in the middle east. It sucks. But that is the truth. Our society, as of right now, could potentially come to a halt if certain ideas are utilized. But back toward freedom, history has shown, is not the direction that those acts would bring. It would merely encourage society to accept more draconian acts of tyranny to stop the violence.
i will just let everyone else read your triple goal post moves there.
Exactly what goal post did I move. You asked what are guns in comparison to a bulldozer. You cannot hide a bulldozer in your pocket and change the course of history. You can with a handheld tool whether it goes bang or not. That is not a goalpost moved. Oh, and that town? I guarantee you that town still functions just as it has since its founding, even after that one guy, whether he was right or wrong has no bearing on the arguement, got his bulldozer hung up in the middle of a building after demolishing half the town. That guys bulldozer is now state property and life goes on.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0000000OOOOOSH
And no counter. I shall consider that as a concession.
Without the second, there is no first. That is my point.