One theory is he's a germaphobe. Another is that he's trying to beat the lefties at their own phony photo op self-congratulation game. The black pill theory is that he's in on it.
There are more options when you consider the many layers affecting outcomes:
With a vaccine in hand, further lockdowns are hard to justify— the left clearly wanted to leverage their emergency powers indefinitely into the future. And the lockdowns were an immediate health crisis and existential risk to national security.
A faster vaccine deployment limited the fuckery that the pharmaceutical snakes could engineer into it, and potentially exposes side effects faster, before everyone has been ‘marked by the beast’.
Clearing out a pathway to accomplish a task is not the same as doing the task correctly. Trump didn’t design the vaccine itself, and has no way of independently checking the expert’s claims. And he continually stressed therapeutic remedies as an alternative to vaccination. The tow truck driver isn’t responsible for the mechanic’s shitty work.
You can make a good case that Trump should have ‘forced’ the economy to open and declared mask mandates a civil rights violation. Barr’s rhetoric shows there was some discussion of doing this, but of course those bagpipes needed blowing! Trump’s legal pathway to accomplish this was unclear and he was probably advised that it would only extend the shutdowns if he tried.
Ultimately a populist President tries to deliver what the people demand — and people demanded a vaccine. That this was hysteria driven by a treasonous media’s lies is true, but that changes little. Trump tried to get opening by Easter, tried to deliver the therapeutic “magic pill” AND he clearly told us the media was an enemy of the people, but the sheeple spit all that back up like a dog’s medicine and made ‘vaccine availability’ the only win condition. So he delivered.
Yeah, tossing out what I've heard. Your stuff makes sense. I'm sure whatever the full truth is, it's more complex than we can imagine, and someone like Trump, even as President, may not have had all the facts anyway.
I am hoping that it's your #2 option, but for some strange reason, I am leaning toward your black pill theory. 9 months to make a vaccine? Warp Speed was a wonderful accomplishment, but it only took 9 months? Sorry, but there is no way in fucking hell that myself or my kids are taking that. There is no question that I think DJT was the best President in a LONG time, but why did he invite us all to the capitol on the 6th? 20/20 is hindsight, but he had Hawley, Cruz and others fighting for 10 days to look into the voting shenanigans. We all know it was not Patriots that stormed the castle, but some were certainly there to make it look like it was Patriots. Like the OP stated, "my head spins over this"...
The man is surrounded by communist cucks to the left and the right. At some point even a champion has to take a knee. At this point, it is better to be alive. Can't do much when you're suicided by two gunshots to the back of the head.
No, the vaccines aren't bad as the risks of the disease outweigh the risks of a rushed vaccine, but to like the vaccine doesn't mean you have to like how the CDC and so many others are handling it and abusing it. Trump is right here as always and fuck the concern trolls.
Yeah, we will just ignore all the deaths due to it. Side effects. Women being infertile if they survive. We are all Trump supporters and it's ok to see the man as human. Humans make mistakes.
There are risks with the experimental vaccine and young and healthy folks shouldn't take it as they're at next to zero risk of the disease. For the elderly who are at risk of the disease, the benefits outweigh the risk of the disease. Trump fought that rat bastard Fauci pretty much every day, mocked him, but Fauci is the face of Big Pharma and so much of the DC Bureaucracy and I don't associate Trump with the CDC's bullshit, nor Fauci's.
The risks of the vaccines for the elderly far outweigh the virus, go read the CDC info on deaths from the vaccine, go see the reports of all the countries that have ended the vaccines because of deaths, blood clotting, etc.
I think when you factor in the hysteria and the placebo effects of the vaccine I still think it's a net good for the scared elderly people to be able to get out and see their family and loved ones. It's a terrible situation, but I've been following the CDCs numbers and calling out so much BS the media was spreading and I still believe some of the vaccines are not the worst option for the elderly.
As I stated before. The man is surrounded. If someone had a gun to the side of your head. And you are supposedly the leader of the free world. How are you supposed to act? Nobody questions the size of Trump's sack. But even sacklord has to stand down. And if Trump has to stand down. Then look what happens?
Stop concern trolling. I trust Trump and always will and if you want to whine and cry and claim his decisions are made under duress then fine, but I trust Trump and know I won't be getting a vaccine as I am at 0 risk of the disease in my age group. If my elderly relatives want it then they can get it. I have had several who have and so far i'm lucky as they're all doing fine.
Then forgive me as that was wrong of me. We've been under attack from a bunch of shills and I was overly defensive, so you didn't deserve that and I was wrong. I too agree that Trump has been threatened and lord knows with what. He has to pick his battles and they would have made the excuses to impeach him had he not gone along with much of the CDCs bullshit and he gave us the tools to make our own decisions.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I am sorry for doubting you as so much of our information has been controlled and so many experts muzzled.
Well he is not a dr or scientist so he is listening to them and the ones who are antivax are cancelled so there is that. It’s just a troll at the MSM . He probably thinks that COVID is bullshit who knows?
I have No theory . untill The Real Numbers come Out And it will. And He Follows up On the Fake Deaths And Again How He Knows 70 and Under Have A 99% chance of Just being Flu like Symptoms..
I Will Not ever Agree to Any One About The Mandatory Vax. And DJT would Never Do That .
DJT has Weighed This And chose. It is all very sick .
Because there are some very vulnerable people who need the vaccine. I really don't understand why many pretend the China virus wasn't killing the elderly and vulnerable at high rates, overflowing hospitals. It happened. It's real. The vaccine will prevent the elderly and those with co-morbidity's from dying. Should healthy people, especially young people take the vaccine - NO! No fucking way.
But the vaccine does serve a purpose and it will help achieve herd immunity.
You are generalizing, there is not one size fits all. Very old people with co-morbidity's will likely do much better with the vaccine than getting the China virus. Younger people don't need to.
There is nuance. The left is lazy in painting with broad strokes, I'm not.
I have a bunch of Grandchildren under 14. They are not going to be vaccinated. My children are split, they are smart enough to make their own decisions. My MIL over 90 with pulmonary issues is absolutely going to take the vaccine, as well as my wife and I.
I am disappointed in this sub at times with posters who see issues in black and white with no nuance. Maybe we can put some more thought into our posts.
Read between the lines. Ask friends who have been vaccinated. Ask why every death and sneeze was COVID, but an otherwise healthy person dying within days of the shot is not related to the shot.
He gave that option to so many that are at risk of this disease. He's not pushing for vaccine passports or for mandatory vaccines and never has, but for the elderly and at risk the vaccine benefits outweigh its risks.
Twisting the left. They said a vaccine was impossible. Trump did it. Now the left is telling everyone to get it without mentioning their security blanket came courtesy of Trump.
And we have concern trolls working in concert to undermine Trump. The vaccine may be a good thing for people particularly at risk, elderly, multiple co-morbidities who have never taken the disease, but the CDC and others are forcing it on healthy people not at risk of it and that's the CDC being stupid, not Trump.
For the elderly I could see why some people disagree, but I'm not getting the vaccine nor eager to encourage anyone else to. I think it's absolutely insane for people of child having age to ever consider the vaccine.
This joke of a product that once you get it you still can't gather, can still get it, have no idea what the long term effects are, do know that it is experimental, is not FDA approved, all this hysteria and expense for a germ that has a .25 death rate?
he's right about the election narrative. he never conceded and pointed out the weird ways the leftists were gaming the election laws, disregarding the law and the Constitution in the process
Making something available to anyone who wants it is different from trying to force medical interventions on people without informed consent. If he didn’t do it they would have done it anyway after an arbitrary period of time, during which covid lockdowns would continue and it would be definitely super deadly rather than the current high risk of deadliness option
he had to. If he continued to claim it was nothing serious, which over time it has been proven true, he would have been railroaded and deemed incompetent by the uniparty and their media lackeys.
Judging by the general citizens actions and lack of pressure on their state/county/city governments for violating their god given rights, they would have agreed with the uniparty and media lackeys.
he is trading human lives for red pills, just like when he allowed commie lockdowns money printing and riots to take place for the whole entire past year, for which crticizing him is acceptable. It is possible if he didnt do the vaccine that every single normie would be on board with global communism because they’re so scared. Now there are a few covidians but there are also normies who got the vaccine and either die or get the red pill now that they got the vaccine you can’t really justify to them why they still can’t do anything. I don’t know anyone who got the vaccine who wants to show their papers to engage in commerce, although i wouldnt associate with anyone who would
States control what happens in their borders, he repeatedly offered to send in the national guard, the blue states refused all help. Criticism of him for that is NOT acceptable IMO
He could have done IA but I’m on board because of the red pills. Although in retrospect he could have started up the choppers. We’ll see what happens now
Seriously? He did the best he could given the circumstances.
I do not fault him for anything he did. I would have liked different solutions but I have no idea what he was up against, the very real threats they may have been making to him.
And if it were a ship, a closer analogy would be we are being boarded, he is trying to fight them off without getting everyone killed and the ship destroyed.
One theory is he's a germaphobe. Another is that he's trying to beat the lefties at their own phony photo op self-congratulation game. The black pill theory is that he's in on it.
There are more options when you consider the many layers affecting outcomes:
With a vaccine in hand, further lockdowns are hard to justify— the left clearly wanted to leverage their emergency powers indefinitely into the future. And the lockdowns were an immediate health crisis and existential risk to national security.
A faster vaccine deployment limited the fuckery that the pharmaceutical snakes could engineer into it, and potentially exposes side effects faster, before everyone has been ‘marked by the beast’.
Clearing out a pathway to accomplish a task is not the same as doing the task correctly. Trump didn’t design the vaccine itself, and has no way of independently checking the expert’s claims. And he continually stressed therapeutic remedies as an alternative to vaccination. The tow truck driver isn’t responsible for the mechanic’s shitty work.
You can make a good case that Trump should have ‘forced’ the economy to open and declared mask mandates a civil rights violation. Barr’s rhetoric shows there was some discussion of doing this, but of course those bagpipes needed blowing! Trump’s legal pathway to accomplish this was unclear and he was probably advised that it would only extend the shutdowns if he tried.
Ultimately a populist President tries to deliver what the people demand — and people demanded a vaccine. That this was hysteria driven by a treasonous media’s lies is true, but that changes little. Trump tried to get opening by Easter, tried to deliver the therapeutic “magic pill” AND he clearly told us the media was an enemy of the people, but the sheeple spit all that back up like a dog’s medicine and made ‘vaccine availability’ the only win condition. So he delivered.
Yeah, tossing out what I've heard. Your stuff makes sense. I'm sure whatever the full truth is, it's more complex than we can imagine, and someone like Trump, even as President, may not have had all the facts anyway.
I am hoping that it's your #2 option, but for some strange reason, I am leaning toward your black pill theory. 9 months to make a vaccine? Warp Speed was a wonderful accomplishment, but it only took 9 months? Sorry, but there is no way in fucking hell that myself or my kids are taking that. There is no question that I think DJT was the best President in a LONG time, but why did he invite us all to the capitol on the 6th? 20/20 is hindsight, but he had Hawley, Cruz and others fighting for 10 days to look into the voting shenanigans. We all know it was not Patriots that stormed the castle, but some were certainly there to make it look like it was Patriots. Like the OP stated, "my head spins over this"...
The man is surrounded by communist cucks to the left and the right. At some point even a champion has to take a knee. At this point, it is better to be alive. Can't do much when you're suicided by two gunshots to the back of the head.
No, the vaccines aren't bad as the risks of the disease outweigh the risks of a rushed vaccine, but to like the vaccine doesn't mean you have to like how the CDC and so many others are handling it and abusing it. Trump is right here as always and fuck the concern trolls.
Yeah, we will just ignore all the deaths due to it. Side effects. Women being infertile if they survive. We are all Trump supporters and it's ok to see the man as human. Humans make mistakes.
We also have to ignore the fact that covid is an overhyped flu.
There are risks with the experimental vaccine and young and healthy folks shouldn't take it as they're at next to zero risk of the disease. For the elderly who are at risk of the disease, the benefits outweigh the risk of the disease. Trump fought that rat bastard Fauci pretty much every day, mocked him, but Fauci is the face of Big Pharma and so much of the DC Bureaucracy and I don't associate Trump with the CDC's bullshit, nor Fauci's.
The risks of the vaccines for the elderly far outweigh the virus, go read the CDC info on deaths from the vaccine, go see the reports of all the countries that have ended the vaccines because of deaths, blood clotting, etc.
I think when you factor in the hysteria and the placebo effects of the vaccine I still think it's a net good for the scared elderly people to be able to get out and see their family and loved ones. It's a terrible situation, but I've been following the CDCs numbers and calling out so much BS the media was spreading and I still believe some of the vaccines are not the worst option for the elderly.
If I had family in a nursing home and was prevented from seeing them, I would take them out long before I would allow them to get the vaccine.
When you have little to nothing left of an immune system the last thing you need is a vaccine.
These vaccines are considered experimental, are not FDA approved and I would not give them to my worst enemy.
As I stated before. The man is surrounded. If someone had a gun to the side of your head. And you are supposedly the leader of the free world. How are you supposed to act? Nobody questions the size of Trump's sack. But even sacklord has to stand down. And if Trump has to stand down. Then look what happens?
Stop concern trolling. I trust Trump and always will and if you want to whine and cry and claim his decisions are made under duress then fine, but I trust Trump and know I won't be getting a vaccine as I am at 0 risk of the disease in my age group. If my elderly relatives want it then they can get it. I have had several who have and so far i'm lucky as they're all doing fine.
Enjoy your jab, then. I love how advocating for gambles on suicide is now concern trolling.
Man...
Then forgive me as that was wrong of me. We've been under attack from a bunch of shills and I was overly defensive, so you didn't deserve that and I was wrong. I too agree that Trump has been threatened and lord knows with what. He has to pick his battles and they would have made the excuses to impeach him had he not gone along with much of the CDCs bullshit and he gave us the tools to make our own decisions.
Geert Vanden Bossche says giving the vaccine right now is the riskiest thing to do.
https://communities.win/p/12hkr9YmEk/masks-wont-go-away-if-this-vacci/
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I am sorry for doubting you as so much of our information has been controlled and so many experts muzzled.
Well he is not a dr or scientist so he is listening to them and the ones who are antivax are cancelled so there is that. It’s just a troll at the MSM . He probably thinks that COVID is bullshit who knows?
Not true — refer to the first impeachment for ways that a President is practically constrained by “interagency experts” he can’t easily fire.
Way to concern troll and bash Trump, handshake account.
I have No theory . untill The Real Numbers come Out And it will. And He Follows up On the Fake Deaths And Again How He Knows 70 and Under Have A 99% chance of Just being Flu like Symptoms..
I Will Not ever Agree to Any One About The Mandatory Vax. And DJT would Never Do That .
DJT has Weighed This And chose. It is all very sick .
Because there are some very vulnerable people who need the vaccine. I really don't understand why many pretend the China virus wasn't killing the elderly and vulnerable at high rates, overflowing hospitals. It happened. It's real. The vaccine will prevent the elderly and those with co-morbidity's from dying. Should healthy people, especially young people take the vaccine - NO! No fucking way.
But the vaccine does serve a purpose and it will help achieve herd immunity.
The vaccine has a higher incidence of severe side effects than the disease, but keep telling yourself that it's needed.
You are generalizing, there is not one size fits all. Very old people with co-morbidity's will likely do much better with the vaccine than getting the China virus. Younger people don't need to.
There is nuance. The left is lazy in painting with broad strokes, I'm not.
I guess if you're old enough that you don't even have to concern yourself with the possible long-term effects of which we know nothing . . .
I have a bunch of Grandchildren under 14. They are not going to be vaccinated. My children are split, they are smart enough to make their own decisions. My MIL over 90 with pulmonary issues is absolutely going to take the vaccine, as well as my wife and I.
I am disappointed in this sub at times with posters who see issues in black and white with no nuance. Maybe we can put some more thought into our posts.
Maybe you can nuance you way out of the death camps.
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Read between the lines. Ask friends who have been vaccinated. Ask why every death and sneeze was COVID, but an otherwise healthy person dying within days of the shot is not related to the shot.
https://kutv.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-deaths-the-lack-of-information-on-how-where-to-report
He gave that option to so many that are at risk of this disease. He's not pushing for vaccine passports or for mandatory vaccines and never has, but for the elderly and at risk the vaccine benefits outweigh its risks.
Twisting the left. They said a vaccine was impossible. Trump did it. Now the left is telling everyone to get it without mentioning their security blanket came courtesy of Trump.
And we have concern trolls working in concert to undermine Trump. The vaccine may be a good thing for people particularly at risk, elderly, multiple co-morbidities who have never taken the disease, but the CDC and others are forcing it on healthy people not at risk of it and that's the CDC being stupid, not Trump.
The vaccines are not and never will be "a good thing."
For the elderly I could see why some people disagree, but I'm not getting the vaccine nor eager to encourage anyone else to. I think it's absolutely insane for people of child having age to ever consider the vaccine.
Why a vaccine at all?
This joke of a product that once you get it you still can't gather, can still get it, have no idea what the long term effects are, do know that it is experimental, is not FDA approved, all this hysteria and expense for a germ that has a .25 death rate?
Meh :)
because he went along with the covid narrative, because it would be too hard to fight it
Kind of like how he went along with the election narrative.
he's right about the election narrative. he never conceded and pointed out the weird ways the leftists were gaming the election laws, disregarding the law and the Constitution in the process
He's been fighting it and continues to do it with RSBN pulling his CPAC video, because he spoke of it.
Making something available to anyone who wants it is different from trying to force medical interventions on people without informed consent. If he didn’t do it they would have done it anyway after an arbitrary period of time, during which covid lockdowns would continue and it would be definitely super deadly rather than the current high risk of deadliness option
It’s going to stop the hysteria and you don’t have to get it.
He also doesn't care for Biden taking credit. A human reaction if not always a wise one.
Simply vanity and bad advisors. He is proud he rushed a non FDA approved EUA vaccine so quickly despite needing 2 to 3 more years of Phase III trials.
he had to. If he continued to claim it was nothing serious, which over time it has been proven true, he would have been railroaded and deemed incompetent by the uniparty and their media lackeys.
Judging by the general citizens actions and lack of pressure on their state/county/city governments for violating their god given rights, they would have agreed with the uniparty and media lackeys.
he is trading human lives for red pills, just like when he allowed commie lockdowns money printing and riots to take place for the whole entire past year, for which crticizing him is acceptable. It is possible if he didnt do the vaccine that every single normie would be on board with global communism because they’re so scared. Now there are a few covidians but there are also normies who got the vaccine and either die or get the red pill now that they got the vaccine you can’t really justify to them why they still can’t do anything. I don’t know anyone who got the vaccine who wants to show their papers to engage in commerce, although i wouldnt associate with anyone who would
States control what happens in their borders, he repeatedly offered to send in the national guard, the blue states refused all help. Criticism of him for that is NOT acceptable IMO
He could have done IA but I’m on board because of the red pills. Although in retrospect he could have started up the choppers. We’ll see what happens now
Doesn't matter. We do what we want.
Thoughts:
Did anyone hear him croak out the line In his CPAC speech about everyone getting the vaccine?
He could barely say the words
Part of my thoughts.
Another thought:
He knows it is not good, but doesn't want to go to Dallas.
Yep. He didn't have the balls to do what needed to be done. It's a sad end for America.
Seriously? He did the best he could given the circumstances.
I do not fault him for anything he did. I would have liked different solutions but I have no idea what he was up against, the very real threats they may have been making to him.
The only sad thing is where we are now.
Captain's job is to get everyone to safety, or go down with the ship trying. Sorry you hate the truth.
Yet this isn't a ship, and we are not sinking.
And if it were a ship, a closer analogy would be we are being boarded, he is trying to fight them off without getting everyone killed and the ship destroyed.
Yes, that was very sad. I noticed it too.