Competent developers are really difficult to find. If the visa workers are excluded, chances are that the number of useful developers would simply remain that 1/3 and their (our) compensation would go up (same supply, increased demand).
Contrary to liberal beliefs, "education" does approximately nothing to let people do X who aren't capable or don't want to do X. College is just a 4-year party that signals you passed the criteria to enter it. It is almost nothing else, and the "education" may actually harm.
That's not entirely accurate. lead devs don't want to teach their new hire programmers what int means, what an array is, a constructor, a method, a boolean.
College is useful for getting basic concepts together. Otherwise, it's a waste.
As a voice of authority within my niche, I will say with 100% honesty that I care far more about ones' hunger to learn / develop than about ones' education.
I will gladly teach someone who wants to learn. Who takes nuggets of wisdom, struggles with them, digests them, and masters them.
I detest working with slovenly, lazy, entitled people. Fuck them.
Best way to tell which one is which : find out who paid for their education. If mom & dad did, or if the government did, they will be useless. If they did it (mostly) on their own, they will most likely be hungry.
For certain careers, you are certainly right. A career in hard sciences and engineering does require a university education. *
However, the people who are capable of that are a minority, and only those should go there. Instead, lots of people are now going to college for basically no reason.
If you'll allow for some cynicism: I'm pretty sure the core issue is that corporations cannot discriminate based on race, but college education is a good proxy for the personality traits that corporations are looking for when they discriminate. This is related to how a vanishing proportion of blacks complete college. So a college requirement substitutes for what was previously "don't be black".
(* Though software engineering, not so much. It's completely possible to learn programming entirely on your own. If people do that, they don't get much more from college, and if they won't, they're not a good fit for the job.)
No dummy, it’s a substitute for “don’t be a lazy jack ass who can’t follow through.”
College used to be incredibly difficult, and only smart or hardworking people could earn the degree. This signified value to corporations. It had fuck all to do with “don’t be black.” You made a good point, and then finished as a fuckin racist.
Those above entry level are often cynical and jaded from being passed up for new positions. So once they reach a senior level they will do everything to make sure the new hires stay at the bottom. I left a job specifically because I found out the Sr. Line officer refused to promote me to Tech 1 at the foundry I worked at. This would have removed me out of packaging and into a lab. I originally applied for Tech/Lab 1 and was given that pay rate for my 90 days. Then, the company informed me that i'd be losing 2 dollars and staying as 3rd shift packaging. I was livid, I talked to the manager of the lab and asked. Apparently someone on the line was given Tech 1 over me because of seniority and when I confronted the Line officer he told me that "I didnt put in my time" so I told him, I quit and walked off the job.
It got to a point where they almost denied me my UI until I showed the review board the papers given to me with the title I was coming on board with and oh boy...the state's review board chewed the company out. I found a better job afterwards, but I miss working in the lab.
Yup, and tariffs that bring some manufacturing back. It's better to run a bit lean in workers so a business can't under pay them, but not so lean that businesses have to keep around crap employees.
Why should people who did a search at some point in life for "highest paying jobs," and then set out to get qualified have to hand over money to people who never bothered? Ugh
Maybe the JOB you're doing is not worth $15/hour. You can definitely be worth more than $15/hour if you put in the effort to develop skills that are unique or that are in high demand.
Find something that not a lot of people can do and do it. You don't even need to go to college or trade school. The internet makes it really easy to learn new skills.
If we lived in a completely isolated country, that would be true. Since we don't, it's easy to undercut wages such that you're paid less than what the market would otherwise pay you. If you want to trade freely with China, you're going to have to make Chinese wages.
The market actually self corrects in terms of wages. Because if a business doesn't, their employee's will quit and get another job that pays better. That business will have to bring in a replacement, but not many will apply because the pay will be low and the ones that do won't care and will have no loyalty because they're paid like shit. A business that can't retain their employee's is a business that doesn't stay open. Another business will start up in direct competition and snipe people because they pay fairly and that old business will shutter it's doors. Never to open again.
It behooves businesses to pay their people fair wages. It ensures talent and loyalty.
That's only when there is a shortage of workers. When there is a surplus, the exact opposite happens, wages drop. How do you create a surplus of workers? Trade freely globally (you are directly competing with Chinese workers if there are no tariffs) and increase immigration (both legal and illegal).
But reality is universal basic income was passed with the stimulus bill. All parents who make $75K and under or $150K for married filing jointly get $3,000-$3,600 per child per year extra in IRS checks.
The saddest shit is the GOP offers no good alternatives when it comes to money related issues to these types of people. Their plans help out people who make more than $100K per year and mandate higher taxes for lower brackets. Why the fuck should many lower class voters vote GOP when the GOP offer nothing?
I know a guy who had a food truck, and it was really hard to get competent employees... he had to pay them $17/hour and still ended up getting the dregs of society. Get this - he hired a driver, and first day she mentions she's legally blind "Oh, didn't I mention that?" and then informed him under CA law she couldn't be fired for leaving out that detail.
And that's the other problem....what happens to these other hard labor high risk jobs that already pay $15/hr? That roofers going to need to be paid even more, which means your $1,500 roof repair is going to cost you $3,000 instead.
Whoops there goes your buying power, bringing you back down to only being able to afford the same amount of stuff as when you were making $8/hr.
And if people aren't willing to pay that, you're just going to get people saying, "Why should I climb up on a roof and bust my ass in the hot and cold days while risking injury when I can go work as a walmart greeter and sit on my ass all day". Which means you're going to have less roofers, which means you're going to technically have a higher demand and low supply issue due to a lower supply of workers, which means even higher prices! So now that $3,000 roof repair that would have only cost $1,500, costs $6,000 or more.
All those people who busted their asses to make $15-$30 an hour, aren't suddenly going to be making $30-$60 an hour either. Which means these people are going to be facing immediate double prices or more, but not getting double the pay.
But of course those wanting this, know that. This isn't merely a mistake on their part. They know it will crush the economy even further. That's the whole point. China wants it so they can tear us down so they can take over. Democrats want it so because they want to supreme rule over all Americans, and Americans with too much buying power are capable of being too independent and free for their liking. Democrats don't care if they rule over a wasteland of poverty stricken people, they just want to rule.
I just hired a new assistant who’s absolutely brilliant. Told her she’ll be worth 20-40$ an hour in no time. But she’s 20. She needs to pay her dues. We all worked shitty jobs to get where were at. Build a solid resume and work ethic. Learn to take shit and when to dish it.
I’ve worked for a Coke head before. Sucked getting paid 5 an hour to watch him squander thousands a day on cocaine and booze. But now I make more than he ever did and he ran all three restaurants into the ground and I think he’s In jail lol
Honestly it was so funny working for this guy he fell off the roof twice in one day. He would twist up doobies at like 10 am.
I was in high school so I just basically worked to buy gas and beer and saved a lot. But honestly low paying jobs are fun. Obviously they don't pay the bills for a grown adult but they are way funner than not doing anything. Some full time workers get jobs at restaurants and shit like that on the weekend for extra cash and for fun.
Seriously this. I try to get people into commercial HVAC all the time, $30hr with crazy benefits. Nope, they can't commit to a career, they want to keep folding tshirts and flipping burgers because it's in their comefort zone or some other gay shit.
Google 'UA apprenticeship program in my area'. Find a local, call and ask for more info. Mine was a 5 year program, didn't pay a dime for the classes, they placed me in a job during my 1st year, the rest is history.
The minimum wage debate is full of uninformed people on both sides.
Fast food, gas stations, and stores have been paying employees more than minimum for years now. Quite a few of them. I see signs by McDonald's and Wendy's talking starting pay of $10-$12.
There are some small businesses that can only afford minimum wage, but that would change if we quit letting our "representatives" make policies that only big businesses can afford.
We REALLY REALLY REALLY need to find a way to stop the circle jerking on issues. Things change, like the free market raising wages without law, yet we still pretend things are where they were years ago. The left is far worse about this but they're pulling our side into it, and it's too force a divide for the communist revolution.
Frabjly, anyone making minimum wage isn't even trying. Within 10 miles of your job you could find more than minimum wage.
This. I was doing a job hunt for entry level full time, and didn't find one that was listed at minimum wage. That wage only applies to the absolutely unproven and unskilled, at the smallest enterprises.
Most states have minimums higher than the federal wage, which honestly makes good sense. Montana and New Jersey have vastly different costs of living--let them choose their policy based on the requests of their people, and see where it takes them.
Even Amazon is offering 15 bucks an hour to sort boxes in bins and they don't do interviews for most of the lower positions. But it's probably too hard for some of them that would rather stand behind a counter for 15+ an hour.
Too busy to give a shit about what their kid needs or wants, so they just give them money.
Then said kids go into college on a free ride and end up turning into major pieces of shit.
My stepdad's daughter is like this. He paid for everything when she was growing up. She ended up getting a job as a flight attendant and just said goodbye forever. She never called, never came by, nothing.
Then the pandemic hit and she was laid off. Almost immediately, she calls her dad and he spends thousands on her to get back home (She lived out of state) and is paying her car payments because she cant afford it.
He tried to help her get a job, but she isnt looking. There was a secretary job opening up at his job, where he works as a contractor for the government. It would have been around 40-50k a year. She turned it down because she didn't want to be a secretary; thought it was beneath her.
She's been collecting welfare checks for a full year now.
Whats funny is the utopian nordic countries dont have a government set minimum wage (though unions sometimes bargin for them). Amazing how few soy-swilling lefties here know that fact.
This, if socialists and soy boys looked at Nordic countries they would hate it. Everyone pays high tax rates...not just the rich. There is no minimum wage, salaries are negotiated by unions and employees. Welfare expires after a while. There's still government corruption and crime is going through the roof.
I hate states where they force gas attendents. The idiots slam my car gas port and sometimes scratched that area or dropped gasoline on my paint. I would way rather fill gas myself.
Wow you really can't fix stupid can you? (applies to the above and some of the comments below. Painful to see such basic lack of economic understanding.
Typical leftist - "I'm scared of heights and open spaces. Can't I just sit on my ass in my mom's basement wearing my mask and get $1000 checks each month?"
Okay they can earn $15, but then that means everyone else needs to be earning more since what they are earning is now worth a lot less. And what happens then is you have goods being sold at alarming rates because all of a sudden everyone now has more money. So the only way to ensure stocks don't run dry the prices of everything must go up to a point where business can sustain themselves. But then you fall back I to the original issue just now the value of the American dollar is significantly less.
Why do these people who demand free money never bother to think for one second about the consequences of printing money like crazy.
Our government has allowed tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of jobs to be outsourced to third world shit holes via "trade deals".
America's #1 export is our jobs, hands down. Our government fucking hates us and so do the companies who got rich off us.
They don't want to pay the wage required to pay off the college debt accumulated to get degrees for that job, so they hire 50 indians for the same price as 1 american and then force that american to train them before firing him.
In my neck of the woods McD now offer $13/hour for crew. They only look for reliable people (who actually show up for work)... And this is in the Midwest...
the government has bread into us helplessness and ineptitude. You might think you are above this but you are not or else Trump would still be our president.
Economically speaking the labor market is well understood and stuff like minimum wage is basically a scam to dupe idiots into thinking the government can actually influence the labor marke.
At a fundamental level this is what happens:
-For every individual each person has unique talents, skills, abilities etc and people who want to buy these types of skills from the demand for labor.
-Every individual decides how much they want to work and for what rates. This is called the supply of labor.
-The interaction of the demand for labor and the supply for labor is what forms the market for labor.
-In an efficient (free market) every person is able to find some form of work as long as the value of their labor exceeds what they're being paid in wages.....thus unemployment is effectively becomes zero when you exclude everyone who provides negative labor value (permanently disabled etc.).
Whenever the government gets involved in the labor market, they always distort it to the DISAVANTAGE of both workers and employers. HOWEVER, government can also decide winners and losers when they're regulating the labor market (hence the reason politicians always insist on interfering with the labor market). It is a way to pander for votes but it comes at a heavy cost.
Minimum wage simply hurts those who are on the bottom rung of the ladder. For those people they simply become permanently unemployed. This is why you always hear about low wage jobs getting hundreds of applicants. With minimum wage, there is absolutely nothing saying that the employer must hire people or keep those jobs in the USA. Those jobs simply go overseas. So we must ask, is the USA really better off by having this permeant underclass of unemployed people? or are we better off scrapping minimum wage completely and allowing everyone to at least have some form of income.
The best action for government is to simply stop interfering with the labor market completely. Government's role in the labor market is to simply make sure people aren't being exploited (ban slavery, extortion, black mail etc.).
If I had a business with minimum wage jobs and they raised the minimum to $15... I would make sure anyone I hired was worth that much which would leave out 100% of the left wanting a minimum wage job.
I don’t know how these people got to be the signer it when I was a teenager I worked 2 to 3 jobs all the time to get by didn’t even own a car! I couldn’t afford to have a car so I hitchhiked! Small minded liberal losers!
Side question: anyone know why you can’t pump your own gas in Oregon if it’s not a commercial vehicle?
Also there are other jobs besides hard labor that pays good, but they ain’t paying sh— unless you are patient enough to stick with it and/or intelligent enough to work your way up haha
I'm tired of low wage workers getting all pissed off at people like me who make over 6 figures.
I worked my ass off to get where i'm at. I didnt just fucking start life making this much money. I earned degrees, got certifications, learned the fucking job from an entry level and moved up at every single opportunity when it was available.
So I dont want to hear these fucking leftist fucks complain. You want to make more than 8 bucks an hour? Fucking put some effort into making yourself a better person FFS.
I own a roofing company in Canada. We got minimum wage and you get paid 15.00$ with benefits to pour coffee, I started at 16.00$ to rip move shingles around all day.on a roof. lol
Never mind $16, there is not enough money in Fort Knox to pay me to climb on roofs. The hell with that, I have total respect for people who are willing to do that kind of work, and I will gladly keep my feet on the ground and pay them to do it for me.
ok but not everyone can be a roofer. and construction workers are generally the biggest losers on planet earth. A lot of them didn't even graduate highschool, have been to prison and are addicted to drinking or drugs. Those are basically the qualifications because you got to be high to work that shitty job. Are the elderly going to work roofing? How about people who have illnesses or disabilities who dont qualify for funding and have to work but couldn't meet the requirements for labor like that? I guess fuck them. You don't understand, there is a lot more to it than this. It's easy to agree, sometimes jobs just aren't available in places and people need work period so they apply everywhere and work wherever they can. Are you going to have a thousand person roofing crew? didn't think so. There's a limit to when the crew is maxed and it isn't much. So everyone else fuck them? Fuck you scum. And I work a job making 20.50 an hour. I think the roofers should stop using services like gas stations, fast food and grocery stores. All big and bad and look down on your fellow humans well fuck off then don't use minimum wage services to benefit your life. They know their job is shit and no one wants it so they have to make themselves feel important.
You're acting like the only jobs that pay a decent wage suck. Basically your entire rant was loser talk based on a false and self-defeating assumption. You'd make a great liberal.
not only that, why males only? What about females? Guess they don't deserve a living wage? They're all going to be roofers too huh? I don't see how the world can run with only roofers.
Sure they can. You just have to understand that someone serving coffee or working a gas station mart is less valued than a roofer. This is why people make more money doing those things.
Let's say there are 100 people and there's a roofing company that employs 20 people and a walmart that employs 100 people. Well I guess the 80 that are left can just eat shit. They need to be roofers right but wait they cant because the roofing company is fully staffed. Oh well guess they cant have a living wage.
I worked for a construction crew once and they were all standup family men. We encountered the loser types sometimes but a blanket statement like that is not fair at all. Id say on average the people I worked with in restaurants were on a far lower rung than construction, jail stints, being hungover all day, waiting at the bar for their ride because no license, that kinda thing.
Wages would probably be more than $15 p/hr... if it weren't for all of the illegals.
This. And then on the "lUrN 2 CoeDe" side we have 2/3 of all code jobs deprived of those folks by Visa workers.
And people in other countries who work for a dollar a day and hack us on the side for blackmail money.
Competent developers are really difficult to find. If the visa workers are excluded, chances are that the number of useful developers would simply remain that 1/3 and their (our) compensation would go up (same supply, increased demand).
Contrary to liberal beliefs, "education" does approximately nothing to let people do X who aren't capable or don't want to do X. College is just a 4-year party that signals you passed the criteria to enter it. It is almost nothing else, and the "education" may actually harm.
That's not entirely accurate. lead devs don't want to teach their new hire programmers what int means, what an array is, a constructor, a method, a boolean.
College is useful for getting basic concepts together. Otherwise, it's a waste.
As a voice of authority within my niche, I will say with 100% honesty that I care far more about ones' hunger to learn / develop than about ones' education.
I will gladly teach someone who wants to learn. Who takes nuggets of wisdom, struggles with them, digests them, and masters them.
I detest working with slovenly, lazy, entitled people. Fuck them.
Best way to tell which one is which : find out who paid for their education. If mom & dad did, or if the government did, they will be useless. If they did it (mostly) on their own, they will most likely be hungry.
For certain careers, you are certainly right. A career in hard sciences and engineering does require a university education. *
However, the people who are capable of that are a minority, and only those should go there. Instead, lots of people are now going to college for basically no reason.
If you'll allow for some cynicism: I'm pretty sure the core issue is that corporations cannot discriminate based on race, but college education is a good proxy for the personality traits that corporations are looking for when they discriminate. This is related to how a vanishing proportion of blacks complete college. So a college requirement substitutes for what was previously "don't be black".
(* Though software engineering, not so much. It's completely possible to learn programming entirely on your own. If people do that, they don't get much more from college, and if they won't, they're not a good fit for the job.)
No dummy, it’s a substitute for “don’t be a lazy jack ass who can’t follow through.”
College used to be incredibly difficult, and only smart or hardworking people could earn the degree. This signified value to corporations. It had fuck all to do with “don’t be black.” You made a good point, and then finished as a fuckin racist.
I stand by my claim.
Its the same in any industry.
Those above entry level are often cynical and jaded from being passed up for new positions. So once they reach a senior level they will do everything to make sure the new hires stay at the bottom. I left a job specifically because I found out the Sr. Line officer refused to promote me to Tech 1 at the foundry I worked at. This would have removed me out of packaging and into a lab. I originally applied for Tech/Lab 1 and was given that pay rate for my 90 days. Then, the company informed me that i'd be losing 2 dollars and staying as 3rd shift packaging. I was livid, I talked to the manager of the lab and asked. Apparently someone on the line was given Tech 1 over me because of seniority and when I confronted the Line officer he told me that "I didnt put in my time" so I told him, I quit and walked off the job.
It got to a point where they almost denied me my UI until I showed the review board the papers given to me with the title I was coming on board with and oh boy...the state's review board chewed the company out. I found a better job afterwards, but I miss working in the lab.
That stuff should have all been learned in high school. And, anyone genuinely interested in computers would have.
Yup, and tariffs that bring some manufacturing back. It's better to run a bit lean in workers so a business can't under pay them, but not so lean that businesses have to keep around crap employees.
I pissed off a lot of people when I said they are why the ICUs in San Diego are full
Keep it up!
Housing would be more affordable, as well.
and jobs being offshored to China.
If no one will pay you $15 per hour without the government intervening, then maybe you're not actually worth $15 per hour.
Why should people who did a search at some point in life for "highest paying jobs," and then set out to get qualified have to hand over money to people who never bothered? Ugh
Neurosurgeons make bank. Ask Dr. Carson
Maybe the JOB you're doing is not worth $15/hour. You can definitely be worth more than $15/hour if you put in the effort to develop skills that are unique or that are in high demand.
Find something that not a lot of people can do and do it. You don't even need to go to college or trade school. The internet makes it really easy to learn new skills.
If we lived in a completely isolated country, that would be true. Since we don't, it's easy to undercut wages such that you're paid less than what the market would otherwise pay you. If you want to trade freely with China, you're going to have to make Chinese wages.
This isn't accurate.
The market actually self corrects in terms of wages. Because if a business doesn't, their employee's will quit and get another job that pays better. That business will have to bring in a replacement, but not many will apply because the pay will be low and the ones that do won't care and will have no loyalty because they're paid like shit. A business that can't retain their employee's is a business that doesn't stay open. Another business will start up in direct competition and snipe people because they pay fairly and that old business will shutter it's doors. Never to open again.
It behooves businesses to pay their people fair wages. It ensures talent and loyalty.
That's only when there is a shortage of workers. When there is a surplus, the exact opposite happens, wages drop. How do you create a surplus of workers? Trade freely globally (you are directly competing with Chinese workers if there are no tariffs) and increase immigration (both legal and illegal).
Yawn..nice bumper sticker slogan.
But reality is universal basic income was passed with the stimulus bill. All parents who make $75K and under or $150K for married filing jointly get $3,000-$3,600 per child per year extra in IRS checks.
The saddest shit is the GOP offers no good alternatives when it comes to money related issues to these types of people. Their plans help out people who make more than $100K per year and mandate higher taxes for lower brackets. Why the fuck should many lower class voters vote GOP when the GOP offer nothing?
...so the GOP should have offered better gibs? Is that your argument?
It's anaconda his flashes of brilliance are separated by stuff like this
I actually did roofing one summer in 1988. That is a rough job, but I always felt like I earned my money.
I know a guy who had a food truck, and it was really hard to get competent employees... he had to pay them $17/hour and still ended up getting the dregs of society. Get this - he hired a driver, and first day she mentions she's legally blind "Oh, didn't I mention that?" and then informed him under CA law she couldn't be fired for leaving out that detail.
I wanna hear how he got rid of her
Just dont tell her where the truck is.
Dug a 40' hole in the parking lot
And that's the other problem....what happens to these other hard labor high risk jobs that already pay $15/hr? That roofers going to need to be paid even more, which means your $1,500 roof repair is going to cost you $3,000 instead.
Whoops there goes your buying power, bringing you back down to only being able to afford the same amount of stuff as when you were making $8/hr.
And if people aren't willing to pay that, you're just going to get people saying, "Why should I climb up on a roof and bust my ass in the hot and cold days while risking injury when I can go work as a walmart greeter and sit on my ass all day". Which means you're going to have less roofers, which means you're going to technically have a higher demand and low supply issue due to a lower supply of workers, which means even higher prices! So now that $3,000 roof repair that would have only cost $1,500, costs $6,000 or more.
All those people who busted their asses to make $15-$30 an hour, aren't suddenly going to be making $30-$60 an hour either. Which means these people are going to be facing immediate double prices or more, but not getting double the pay.
But of course those wanting this, know that. This isn't merely a mistake on their part. They know it will crush the economy even further. That's the whole point. China wants it so they can tear us down so they can take over. Democrats want it so because they want to supreme rule over all Americans, and Americans with too much buying power are capable of being too independent and free for their liking. Democrats don't care if they rule over a wasteland of poverty stricken people, they just want to rule.
Every job that can be automated will be.
Heaven forbid roofers make a few dollars more. That money belongs to lawyers!
I make it mandatory for all employees to make at least $15 an hour if:
Super Simple
I roofed for $4/hour as a teenager and had a great time. Was supposed to get 8 but the guy turned out to be a druggie shithead
I just hired a new assistant who’s absolutely brilliant. Told her she’ll be worth 20-40$ an hour in no time. But she’s 20. She needs to pay her dues. We all worked shitty jobs to get where were at. Build a solid resume and work ethic. Learn to take shit and when to dish it.
I’ve worked for a Coke head before. Sucked getting paid 5 an hour to watch him squander thousands a day on cocaine and booze. But now I make more than he ever did and he ran all three restaurants into the ground and I think he’s In jail lol
Honestly it was so funny working for this guy he fell off the roof twice in one day. He would twist up doobies at like 10 am.
I was in high school so I just basically worked to buy gas and beer and saved a lot. But honestly low paying jobs are fun. Obviously they don't pay the bills for a grown adult but they are way funner than not doing anything. Some full time workers get jobs at restaurants and shit like that on the weekend for extra cash and for fun.
Seriously this. I try to get people into commercial HVAC all the time, $30hr with crazy benefits. Nope, they can't commit to a career, they want to keep folding tshirts and flipping burgers because it's in their comefort zone or some other gay shit.
Plz tell me more about this
Google 'UA apprenticeship program in my area'. Find a local, call and ask for more info. Mine was a 5 year program, didn't pay a dime for the classes, they placed me in a job during my 1st year, the rest is history.
The minimum wage debate is full of uninformed people on both sides.
Fast food, gas stations, and stores have been paying employees more than minimum for years now. Quite a few of them. I see signs by McDonald's and Wendy's talking starting pay of $10-$12.
There are some small businesses that can only afford minimum wage, but that would change if we quit letting our "representatives" make policies that only big businesses can afford.
We REALLY REALLY REALLY need to find a way to stop the circle jerking on issues. Things change, like the free market raising wages without law, yet we still pretend things are where they were years ago. The left is far worse about this but they're pulling our side into it, and it's too force a divide for the communist revolution.
Frabjly, anyone making minimum wage isn't even trying. Within 10 miles of your job you could find more than minimum wage.
This. I was doing a job hunt for entry level full time, and didn't find one that was listed at minimum wage. That wage only applies to the absolutely unproven and unskilled, at the smallest enterprises.
Most states have minimums higher than the federal wage, which honestly makes good sense. Montana and New Jersey have vastly different costs of living--let them choose their policy based on the requests of their people, and see where it takes them.
Even Amazon is offering 15 bucks an hour to sort boxes in bins and they don't do interviews for most of the lower positions. But it's probably too hard for some of them that would rather stand behind a counter for 15+ an hour.
I press button pls gib $15
At some point, America became full of leeches who don't want to work for what they want to earn.
I blame parents for the most part.
Too busy to give a shit about what their kid needs or wants, so they just give them money.
Then said kids go into college on a free ride and end up turning into major pieces of shit.
My stepdad's daughter is like this. He paid for everything when she was growing up. She ended up getting a job as a flight attendant and just said goodbye forever. She never called, never came by, nothing.
Then the pandemic hit and she was laid off. Almost immediately, she calls her dad and he spends thousands on her to get back home (She lived out of state) and is paying her car payments because she cant afford it.
He tried to help her get a job, but she isnt looking. There was a secretary job opening up at his job, where he works as a contractor for the government. It would have been around 40-50k a year. She turned it down because she didn't want to be a secretary; thought it was beneath her.
She's been collecting welfare checks for a full year now.
Starting pay for Member Support/Call center rep stuff over at Peloton in Plano, TX is $19 an hour.
Shit commercial roofers in oz get around $50 dollars per hour plus super ,(401k) plus holidays, plus sick pay....
No wonder building here costs so much...
Whats funny is the utopian nordic countries dont have a government set minimum wage (though unions sometimes bargin for them). Amazing how few soy-swilling lefties here know that fact.
This, if socialists and soy boys looked at Nordic countries they would hate it. Everyone pays high tax rates...not just the rich. There is no minimum wage, salaries are negotiated by unions and employees. Welfare expires after a while. There's still government corruption and crime is going through the roof.
My inexperienced 15 year old kid got a job in the middle of a pandemic making $12 an hour. No excuses for these fools that stay in minimum wage jobs
After $15 min wage passes:
Me:How's the $15 /hr workin out for ya
Gas Pump: Beep Boop insert card and select grade of fuel.
Me: Yep
I hate states where they force gas attendents. The idiots slam my car gas port and sometimes scratched that area or dropped gasoline on my paint. I would way rather fill gas myself.
That should happen anyway if its more cost efficient.
Wow you really can't fix stupid can you? (applies to the above and some of the comments below. Painful to see such basic lack of economic understanding.
Typical leftist - "I'm scared of heights and open spaces. Can't I just sit on my ass in my mom's basement wearing my mask and get $1000 checks each month?"
like 90% of the comments in here
QUICK, SOMEBODY ELSE TAKE ALL THE RISKS FOR ME AND GIB
no experience needed? no shit.
thats actually not too bad, its a good trade to learn.
Okay they can earn $15, but then that means everyone else needs to be earning more since what they are earning is now worth a lot less. And what happens then is you have goods being sold at alarming rates because all of a sudden everyone now has more money. So the only way to ensure stocks don't run dry the prices of everything must go up to a point where business can sustain themselves. But then you fall back I to the original issue just now the value of the American dollar is significantly less.
Why do these people who demand free money never bother to think for one second about the consequences of printing money like crazy.
Our government has allowed tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of jobs to be outsourced to third world shit holes via "trade deals".
America's #1 export is our jobs, hands down. Our government fucking hates us and so do the companies who got rich off us.
They don't want to pay the wage required to pay off the college debt accumulated to get degrees for that job, so they hire 50 indians for the same price as 1 american and then force that american to train them before firing him.
I am scared of heights, can I just stand down the bottom and pass tiles up to you?
In my neck of the woods McD now offer $13/hour for crew. They only look for reliable people (who actually show up for work)... And this is in the Midwest...
Word.
16 an hour is a fucking joke
This is how you get replaced by a google-powered kiosk and digital currency.
One major downside to being a redhead; if I even tried to do work like that I would literally fry like bacon lol
Good things rarely drop in your lap. If you want something, you have to make it happen.
Hey Gas Man illegals will take your job if you get your $15.
the government has bread into us helplessness and ineptitude. You might think you are above this but you are not or else Trump would still be our president.
in Chinese factories, the Chinese earn a dollar a month and have no right to complain, those who complain are shot.
those impoverishing lefties who love the Chinese should go to work in those factories
whoa whoa they don't shoot them, they've got nice rooftops to jump off
Ha! Sounds like my son-in-law. Can't get him off his behind to do anything either.
Roofers generally make more then 16 an hour in orida but I never see them getting benefits.
Economically speaking the labor market is well understood and stuff like minimum wage is basically a scam to dupe idiots into thinking the government can actually influence the labor marke.
At a fundamental level this is what happens:
-For every individual each person has unique talents, skills, abilities etc and people who want to buy these types of skills from the demand for labor.
-Every individual decides how much they want to work and for what rates. This is called the supply of labor.
-The interaction of the demand for labor and the supply for labor is what forms the market for labor.
-In an efficient (free market) every person is able to find some form of work as long as the value of their labor exceeds what they're being paid in wages.....thus unemployment is effectively becomes zero when you exclude everyone who provides negative labor value (permanently disabled etc.).
Whenever the government gets involved in the labor market, they always distort it to the DISAVANTAGE of both workers and employers. HOWEVER, government can also decide winners and losers when they're regulating the labor market (hence the reason politicians always insist on interfering with the labor market). It is a way to pander for votes but it comes at a heavy cost.
Minimum wage simply hurts those who are on the bottom rung of the ladder. For those people they simply become permanently unemployed. This is why you always hear about low wage jobs getting hundreds of applicants. With minimum wage, there is absolutely nothing saying that the employer must hire people or keep those jobs in the USA. Those jobs simply go overseas. So we must ask, is the USA really better off by having this permeant underclass of unemployed people? or are we better off scrapping minimum wage completely and allowing everyone to at least have some form of income.
The best action for government is to simply stop interfering with the labor market completely. Government's role in the labor market is to simply make sure people aren't being exploited (ban slavery, extortion, black mail etc.).
If I had a business with minimum wage jobs and they raised the minimum to $15... I would make sure anyone I hired was worth that much which would leave out 100% of the left wanting a minimum wage job.
I don’t know how these people got to be the signer it when I was a teenager I worked 2 to 3 jobs all the time to get by didn’t even own a car! I couldn’t afford to have a car so I hitchhiked! Small minded liberal losers!
Side question: anyone know why you can’t pump your own gas in Oregon if it’s not a commercial vehicle?
Also there are other jobs besides hard labor that pays good, but they ain’t paying sh— unless you are patient enough to stick with it and/or intelligent enough to work your way up haha
I'm tired of low wage workers getting all pissed off at people like me who make over 6 figures.
I worked my ass off to get where i'm at. I didnt just fucking start life making this much money. I earned degrees, got certifications, learned the fucking job from an entry level and moved up at every single opportunity when it was available.
So I dont want to hear these fucking leftist fucks complain. You want to make more than 8 bucks an hour? Fucking put some effort into making yourself a better person FFS.
Bigot.
Exactly, and that’s BS about not getting health insurance. He’d certainly qualify for Medicaid. STFU.
I own a roofing company in Canada. We got minimum wage and you get paid 15.00$ with benefits to pour coffee, I started at 16.00$ to rip move shingles around all day.on a roof. lol
roofing tough work. cocaine,coffee,cigerettes, on a hot tar roof. fuckin legends.
Where are these roofing jobs mentioned?
Or get a job that pays $15/hr
Never mind $16, there is not enough money in Fort Knox to pay me to climb on roofs. The hell with that, I have total respect for people who are willing to do that kind of work, and I will gladly keep my feet on the ground and pay them to do it for me.
Boom! Some sauce right there.
ok but not everyone can be a roofer. and construction workers are generally the biggest losers on planet earth. A lot of them didn't even graduate highschool, have been to prison and are addicted to drinking or drugs. Those are basically the qualifications because you got to be high to work that shitty job. Are the elderly going to work roofing? How about people who have illnesses or disabilities who dont qualify for funding and have to work but couldn't meet the requirements for labor like that? I guess fuck them. You don't understand, there is a lot more to it than this. It's easy to agree, sometimes jobs just aren't available in places and people need work period so they apply everywhere and work wherever they can. Are you going to have a thousand person roofing crew? didn't think so. There's a limit to when the crew is maxed and it isn't much. So everyone else fuck them? Fuck you scum. And I work a job making 20.50 an hour. I think the roofers should stop using services like gas stations, fast food and grocery stores. All big and bad and look down on your fellow humans well fuck off then don't use minimum wage services to benefit your life. They know their job is shit and no one wants it so they have to make themselves feel important.
You're acting like the only jobs that pay a decent wage suck. Basically your entire rant was loser talk based on a false and self-defeating assumption. You'd make a great liberal.
You assumed it's gender. Prepare for death threats.
your post makes no sense, you are probably a stoned construction worker. lay off the pot
Retard I make 6 figures salary plus another 6 figures in investments. You're a clown.
not only that, why males only? What about females? Guess they don't deserve a living wage? They're all going to be roofers too huh? I don't see how the world can run with only roofers.
So every "healthy, working age male" in that area is going to be hired by that roofing company?
Construction, road work, gardening, janitorial, sewage, garbage all make above the minimum income they want.
so nobody should work gas stations, grocery stores??
Sure they can. You just have to understand that someone serving coffee or working a gas station mart is less valued than a roofer. This is why people make more money doing those things.
ok so roofers are less valued than sex workers
YEAH they are bro lmao. its not right, but incels will pay anything just to fucking smell a rank ass prostitute pussy
I'm not saying harder work shouldn't pay more. I am saying that general labor jobs that many people have should pay livable wages.
only if you are fucking retarded
you think trump would let his kids work at a gas station!? he would DISOWN them if they pulled that shit
Let's say there are 100 people and there's a roofing company that employs 20 people and a walmart that employs 100 people. Well I guess the 80 that are left can just eat shit. They need to be roofers right but wait they cant because the roofing company is fully staffed. Oh well guess they cant have a living wage.
Hey retard if there are 100 people and walmart and the roofing company employ a combined 120 people, then someone is working two jobs.
You’re a fucking commie bud
Construction is unskilled work. only skill you need is a felony on your record and drug addiction
you're probably a drug addict and simp. Go have a beer and hide behind some woman and let life pass you by loser.
I'm pretty sure violence isn't allowed on here. have a nice trip
LOL this guy is a laughable retard
I worked for a construction crew once and they were all standup family men. We encountered the loser types sometimes but a blanket statement like that is not fair at all. Id say on average the people I worked with in restaurants were on a far lower rung than construction, jail stints, being hungover all day, waiting at the bar for their ride because no license, that kinda thing.
Well my experience is the opposite so...
We call that an anecdote.