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posted ago by Fat_Moco ago by Fat_Moco +16 / -0

I disagree with one thing you said. We DO know that Ashli Babbit was murdered without any justification. In fact, in this situation the State owes us a very detailed and precise justification and until there is one provided we can rationally assume that it was NOT justified given all we do know plus the video. Maybe this sounds like I'm assuming guilt without due process. But I'm accusing the State. Think about it, does the State get due process? What happens when the State simply declares it is justified and declines due process (like a stolen election)? ... What I'm getting at is - there is NO presumption of innocence given to the State. - So the appropriate action of the State is to charge the officer of murder and then give that officer due process. They don't want to do this because that will expose the murderer in the shooter's ear.

If this was justified then they would be able to show the documented rules of use of lethal force, then show how the victim's actions justified pulling the trigger.

Edit: I posted before asking for a debate with the "Ashli is Fake" crowd. If that's you and you want to debate please use that post. The point of this post is a little advanced for you.

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Fat_Moco [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am not interested in any purity tests for my patriotism. Some would call running into a combat zone as "doing stupid violent shit that greatly diminished" someone's political power.

Since you have taken a religious piety perspective of how true patriots behave, I would ask you if this is ok for Christians to do to other Christians?

I was there but I did not go inside the Capitol. The energy of that day was so peaceful. I've watched hours of the videos people posted even going inside the building. It was frenetic energy in there but overwhelmingly peaceful and PATRIOTIC. In fact the true patriots inside the building protected our Capitol better than the Capitol Police.

I'm not excusing any vandalism or violence. Honestly I did not see Ashli involved in any breaking of anything. I think the only reason she went through that window, was because someone thought a small female could unlock the door from the other side and she offered. Naughty behavior. But none of the police officers standing with her seemed to care, and most of those people walked in with officers.

If she had been Antifa I would still be demanding the State be held accountable for the murder. Its not just wrong because Ashli was on our side.