He fucked around and found out. No qualms with this one. Follow the fucking commands. How many times did they tell him to get face down on the ground? No less than Five Fucking Times. Show your hands and get down on the ground. Dipshit did neither and got himself ventilated. Fuck him. This was a clean shoot.
probably my anti cop bias showing, but all those shots after the kid went down shows excessive force. dont really know. but hey, after this year? not ever going to be a big supporter of "lae enforcement" again.
The optics are bad, but I'm not sure it shows excessive force. It's easy to say that from the comfort of your couch, but once lethal forced is engaged within the OODA loop (observe / orient / decide / act), it takes time to process through that loop again to determine when to stop. We should consider 2 things here, (1) was the decision to engage in lethal force supported by the evidence on hand at the time of the incident as well as by the individual's actions. I would say that the answer to that part is yes. (2) is was lethal force ceased in an appropriate, and timely manner according to when the threat was clearly no longer actionable? That is a tough one, and likely one that will earn a payout to the family. Not because it was excessive force, but because it just looks bad regardless of whether or not the expectations that made the optics yucky are reasonable. A little force on force training will change your thoughts on this rather quickly if you're being honest with yourself.
I don't know that there's evidence of the training being trigger happy, that's just human nature if we're being honest. Departments across the country spend tremendous amounts of money to try and combat that initial quick response because it's too easy to get wrong and absurdly easy to second-guess.
He fucked around and found out. No qualms with this one. Follow the fucking commands. How many times did they tell him to get face down on the ground? No less than Five Fucking Times. Show your hands and get down on the ground. Dipshit did neither and got himself ventilated. Fuck him. This was a clean shoot.
wasnt a clean shoot, but was not murder either. am sure charges will be dropped or just plain acquittal if goes to court.
Not a clean shoot under what actual rules of response/engagement? Please clarify.
probably my anti cop bias showing, but all those shots after the kid went down shows excessive force. dont really know. but hey, after this year? not ever going to be a big supporter of "lae enforcement" again.
The optics are bad, but I'm not sure it shows excessive force. It's easy to say that from the comfort of your couch, but once lethal forced is engaged within the OODA loop (observe / orient / decide / act), it takes time to process through that loop again to determine when to stop. We should consider 2 things here, (1) was the decision to engage in lethal force supported by the evidence on hand at the time of the incident as well as by the individual's actions. I would say that the answer to that part is yes. (2) is was lethal force ceased in an appropriate, and timely manner according to when the threat was clearly no longer actionable? That is a tough one, and likely one that will earn a payout to the family. Not because it was excessive force, but because it just looks bad regardless of whether or not the expectations that made the optics yucky are reasonable. A little force on force training will change your thoughts on this rather quickly if you're being honest with yourself.
was probably drugged out of his mind
gotta admit police training is way to abrasive and trigger happy
I don't know that there's evidence of the training being trigger happy, that's just human nature if we're being honest. Departments across the country spend tremendous amounts of money to try and combat that initial quick response because it's too easy to get wrong and absurdly easy to second-guess.
You dont think they are trained to shoot when they see weird hand movements like going on pockets and such?
That's not being "trigger happy", that's called addressing a threat.