Ya I was going to say this is a very famous (like day 2 or 3 in almost all psych 101 classes, after the Stanford prison experiment and the electric shock test) and is widely replicated. The Asch conformity study is the most famous. These three studies tell you all you need to know about totalitarianism and the nature of most people.
For those who dont know, the stanford prison experiment was a bunch of people role playing a prison. They had to stop it because the "guards" were beating the inmates after a few days.
The electric shock study had participants administer shocks to another "subject" when they answered a question wrong. The second subject (the one getting the shocks) was really a researcher or recording who'd scream in agony and beg them to stop, but there would be another researcher telling the subject administering the shocks to keep going. Every time they shocked they increased the voltage. They wanted to see how far people would go when an official figure (researcher) told them to. Almost everyone kept going past the point where the "shockee" complained of heart problems and even stopped responding. It is actually terrifying.
Another interesting study, the dark room study. They put random people (girls and guys) in a locked room that was totally 100% dark.. but they had night vision cams to watch them.
In almost every group people started hooking up... random people who didn't know eachother and couldn't see eachother in a dark room full of strangers.
The stanford experiment is absolute evidence why the military and cop trusters are fools. Normal people were "just following orders," imagine what a massive group of people who were specifically trained to "just follow orders" will do when (not if but WHEN) turned on us.
Couldn't agree more. Now these people are random Joes, in fact a rule of thumb when you're talking about psychological experimentation is a lot of the subjects are college students bc they're an easy place to get participants from.
They haven't had years of "respect the chain of command!" .. "never question a superior officer!" .. etc beat into their Operating System. If normal people will follow a random researchers encouragement (they never ordered, they just said "it is imperative to the study that you continue") to the point where they're shocking the body of an unresponsive dude who complained of heart complications imagine what soldiers would do when commanded by their superior officer. It's scary.
It has also played out over and over again throughout the history of the world. People think we're somehow fundamentally different than those that came before us. I think they'll be suprised.
College students do get some of this though. They’re essentially conditioned to think that professors, researchers, etc are their intellectual superiors. So in this situation there is a sort of implied chain of command.
I dunno how bad things got in the army after I got out, but the soldiers I worked with wouldn't do that shit even if we were ordered to. We had an extremely low tolerance for bullshit and if something was wrong we had no issues making that clear. We'd do stupid busywork and other nonsense if told to, yes, but something that is obviously an unlawful order on the of it? It wasn't going to happen.
Any group with power over a second group, and the subordinate group has no means of self defence (like firearms), and when there is no impartial third group properly regulating the empowered first group when arming the second group would be impossible in those rare cases like a prison population.
Got any sources or links to the group studies? Sounds like a powerful example of group think. Would love to hear more about this
Ya I was going to say this is a very famous (like day 2 or 3 in almost all psych 101 classes, after the Stanford prison experiment and the electric shock test) and is widely replicated. The Asch conformity study is the most famous. These three studies tell you all you need to know about totalitarianism and the nature of most people.
For those who dont know, the stanford prison experiment was a bunch of people role playing a prison. They had to stop it because the "guards" were beating the inmates after a few days. The electric shock study had participants administer shocks to another "subject" when they answered a question wrong. The second subject (the one getting the shocks) was really a researcher or recording who'd scream in agony and beg them to stop, but there would be another researcher telling the subject administering the shocks to keep going. Every time they shocked they increased the voltage. They wanted to see how far people would go when an official figure (researcher) told them to. Almost everyone kept going past the point where the "shockee" complained of heart problems and even stopped responding. It is actually terrifying.
Another interesting study, the dark room study. They put random people (girls and guys) in a locked room that was totally 100% dark.. but they had night vision cams to watch them.
In almost every group people started hooking up... random people who didn't know eachother and couldn't see eachother in a dark room full of strangers.
The stanford experiment is absolute evidence why the military and cop trusters are fools. Normal people were "just following orders," imagine what a massive group of people who were specifically trained to "just follow orders" will do when (not if but WHEN) turned on us.
Couldn't agree more. Now these people are random Joes, in fact a rule of thumb when you're talking about psychological experimentation is a lot of the subjects are college students bc they're an easy place to get participants from.
They haven't had years of "respect the chain of command!" .. "never question a superior officer!" .. etc beat into their Operating System. If normal people will follow a random researchers encouragement (they never ordered, they just said "it is imperative to the study that you continue") to the point where they're shocking the body of an unresponsive dude who complained of heart complications imagine what soldiers would do when commanded by their superior officer. It's scary.
It has also played out over and over again throughout the history of the world. People think we're somehow fundamentally different than those that came before us. I think they'll be suprised.
Yep. This line of discussion about blindly doing whatever random experimenters say also applies perfectly to masks.
College students do get some of this though. They’re essentially conditioned to think that professors, researchers, etc are their intellectual superiors. So in this situation there is a sort of implied chain of command.
I dunno how bad things got in the army after I got out, but the soldiers I worked with wouldn't do that shit even if we were ordered to. We had an extremely low tolerance for bullshit and if something was wrong we had no issues making that clear. We'd do stupid busywork and other nonsense if told to, yes, but something that is obviously an unlawful order on the of it? It wasn't going to happen.
Any group with power over a second group, and the subordinate group has no means of self defence (like firearms), and when there is no impartial third group properly regulating the empowered first group when arming the second group would be impossible in those rare cases like a prison population.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/18/report-1971-stanford-prison-experiment-was-fake-acted-out/
A couple years ago this came out, I think it’s super interesting because Stanford experiment still gets referenced quite frequently.
The Asch conformity studies fit this description. Classic example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA