The stanford experiment is absolute evidence why the military and cop trusters are fools. Normal people were "just following orders," imagine what a massive group of people who were specifically trained to "just follow orders" will do when (not if but WHEN) turned on us.
Couldn't agree more. Now these people are random Joes, in fact a rule of thumb when you're talking about psychological experimentation is a lot of the subjects are college students bc they're an easy place to get participants from.
They haven't had years of "respect the chain of command!" .. "never question a superior officer!" .. etc beat into their Operating System. If normal people will follow a random researchers encouragement (they never ordered, they just said "it is imperative to the study that you continue") to the point where they're shocking the body of an unresponsive dude who complained of heart complications imagine what soldiers would do when commanded by their superior officer. It's scary.
It has also played out over and over again throughout the history of the world. People think we're somehow fundamentally different than those that came before us. I think they'll be suprised.
College students do get some of this though. They’re essentially conditioned to think that professors, researchers, etc are their intellectual superiors. So in this situation there is a sort of implied chain of command.
Not really, I mean at least that's not what it was like when I went to school. The teacher has absolutely zero authority of anything I did lol. Barely any of them even took attendance.
I dunno how bad things got in the army after I got out, but the soldiers I worked with wouldn't do that shit even if we were ordered to. We had an extremely low tolerance for bullshit and if something was wrong we had no issues making that clear. We'd do stupid busywork and other nonsense if told to, yes, but something that is obviously an unlawful order on the of it? It wasn't going to happen.
Any group with power over a second group, and the subordinate group has no means of self defence (like firearms), and when there is no impartial third group properly regulating the empowered first group when arming the second group would be impossible in those rare cases like a prison population.
The stanford experiment is absolute evidence why the military and cop trusters are fools. Normal people were "just following orders," imagine what a massive group of people who were specifically trained to "just follow orders" will do when (not if but WHEN) turned on us.
Couldn't agree more. Now these people are random Joes, in fact a rule of thumb when you're talking about psychological experimentation is a lot of the subjects are college students bc they're an easy place to get participants from.
They haven't had years of "respect the chain of command!" .. "never question a superior officer!" .. etc beat into their Operating System. If normal people will follow a random researchers encouragement (they never ordered, they just said "it is imperative to the study that you continue") to the point where they're shocking the body of an unresponsive dude who complained of heart complications imagine what soldiers would do when commanded by their superior officer. It's scary.
It has also played out over and over again throughout the history of the world. People think we're somehow fundamentally different than those that came before us. I think they'll be suprised.
Yep. This line of discussion about blindly doing whatever random experimenters say also applies perfectly to masks.
I couldn’t imagine having your experience and expertise and still be this opposed to something so evident. It only highlights your fragile ego.
When you’re confronted with ideas that oppose your view point, do you normally get angry? Is that how you handle all your affairs?
Big oof.
College students do get some of this though. They’re essentially conditioned to think that professors, researchers, etc are their intellectual superiors. So in this situation there is a sort of implied chain of command.
Not really, I mean at least that's not what it was like when I went to school. The teacher has absolutely zero authority of anything I did lol. Barely any of them even took attendance.
I dunno how bad things got in the army after I got out, but the soldiers I worked with wouldn't do that shit even if we were ordered to. We had an extremely low tolerance for bullshit and if something was wrong we had no issues making that clear. We'd do stupid busywork and other nonsense if told to, yes, but something that is obviously an unlawful order on the of it? It wasn't going to happen.
Any group with power over a second group, and the subordinate group has no means of self defence (like firearms), and when there is no impartial third group properly regulating the empowered first group when arming the second group would be impossible in those rare cases like a prison population.