"The only time the legality of secession was brought before the Supreme Court occurred in December 1868, when the reconstruction government in Texas claimed that bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate State Legislature during the war—a matter in which the legality of Texas’ secession became a factor. On April 15, 1869, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase announced a ruling in favor of Texas on the grounds that the Confederate government had no legal existence, and that Texas, since its admission in 1845, was part of “an indestructible union, composed of indestructible states. Although the ruling conceded that divisibility was possible “through revolution or through consent of the states,” it declared the ordinances of secession, as applied to Texas in 1861, “absolutely null.”"
I don't like the idea of secession, but on the question of legality, should we allow ourselves to be prevented from doing the right thing just because a corrupt and tyrannical government makes it illegal?
The real issue with Secession is that it isn't remotely realistic.
It implies negotiations with those who don't have any desire to do so. Even if they did, there's no practical way to divide things like the nukes, the debt, infrastructure, etc...
State Nullification and/or a Convention of States are more effective courses of action.
Even nullification is a pipe dream. If states decide to ignore the feds, the feds just cut funding (like Trump threatened to do but didn't have the nuts to go through with).
Or... the feds just send thugs in to black bag any dissenters, dissolve state legislatures, institute martial law or any manner of violent methods.
Violence. Violence is the ONLY OUTCOME to our present situation.
Even if you think there are alternatives to violence. And even assuming those alternatives were at all viable, violent outcomes are strictly inevitable under these circumstances.
Despots always. Always. ALWAYS employ violence.
It's unavoidable at this point. The violence is going to happen one way or another.
Best to psyche ourselves up to it now and get our heads in the game before it's inevitably forced on us in due time.
Is secession legal?
"The only time the legality of secession was brought before the Supreme Court occurred in December 1868, when the reconstruction government in Texas claimed that bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate State Legislature during the war—a matter in which the legality of Texas’ secession became a factor. On April 15, 1869, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase announced a ruling in favor of Texas on the grounds that the Confederate government had no legal existence, and that Texas, since its admission in 1845, was part of “an indestructible union, composed of indestructible states. Although the ruling conceded that divisibility was possible “through revolution or through consent of the states,” it declared the ordinances of secession, as applied to Texas in 1861, “absolutely null.”"
Keep concerning yourself with legalities while commies punch you in the face. Dumbass.
And your plan is what?
Have you actually thought through exactly what secession entails?
There's a lot of ways to force the inevitable confrontation to be fought on our terms. Secession isn't one of them.
I don't like the idea of secession, but on the question of legality, should we allow ourselves to be prevented from doing the right thing just because a corrupt and tyrannical government makes it illegal?
The real issue with Secession is that it isn't remotely realistic.
It implies negotiations with those who don't have any desire to do so. Even if they did, there's no practical way to divide things like the nukes, the debt, infrastructure, etc...
State Nullification and/or a Convention of States are more effective courses of action.
Even nullification is a pipe dream. If states decide to ignore the feds, the feds just cut funding (like Trump threatened to do but didn't have the nuts to go through with).
Or... the feds just send thugs in to black bag any dissenters, dissolve state legislatures, institute martial law or any manner of violent methods.
Violence. Violence is the ONLY OUTCOME to our present situation.
Even if you think there are alternatives to violence. And even assuming those alternatives were at all viable, violent outcomes are strictly inevitable under these circumstances.
Despots always. Always. ALWAYS employ violence.
It's unavoidable at this point. The violence is going to happen one way or another.
Best to psyche ourselves up to it now and get our heads in the game before it's inevitably forced on us in due time.
If they withhold transfer payments, the state(s) then withhold tax remittances to the Federal Gov't. That sets up the showdown we want.
Whether and how it gets violent can go several different directions.
Here's where assumptions get challenged.