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Mashiki 7 points ago +13 / -6

You gotta give him some credit, he at least helped to create an alternative to IBM's hyper market dominance. But that's his only saving grace, and at least these days AMD is kicking both Microsoft and Nvidia in the balls by creating open-framework API's.

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HypnoToad00 30 points ago +30 / -0

Look into it, Gates deserves zero credit, he was elite and groomed by the elite. His Mother sat on a board with the President of IBM. Microsoft was created by IBM to avoid government interference in their hyper market dominance.

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80960KA 1 point ago +4 / -3

Not everything is a conspiracy, most of the time it's just rich people jerking each other off.

Microsoft was created by IBM to avoid government interference in their hyper market dominance.

This doesn't even make any sense. IBM's dominance was in mainframes at the time they picked up DOS, and IBM itself only dominated the PC market until Compaq.

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HypnoToad00 5 points ago +5 / -0

Pretty sure rich people jerking each other off qualifies as a conspiracy. I hear all the time about how Bill Gates was just some regular nerdy middle class kid who built some computers in his garage and became the most successful richest person with computers and now is saving the world. Gates is a fraud, all the PR fluff about Gates is a fraud. Look in to it.

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BasedNtruth 5 points ago +5 / -0

Everything you’ve said above is a fact.

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80960KA 0 points ago +1 / -1

To me "conspiracy" has to be engineered, if it's just rich people going to the same parties and being friends it's just a matter of being on that graph. I don't really hold it too much against them since I've done the same things (preferential treatment for people I know and trust) just on a much lower stratum.

This is also a double-edged sword, if I don't trust someone and know why not to, I'll at least give indicators to friends that there's issues with the person; a bad recommendation or referral reflects poorly on me.

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Mashiki -2 points ago +3 / -5

Well that story fully contradicts the reverse engineering that was required, including various microcode modifications.

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JeremiahKassin 5 points ago +5 / -0

Because they couldn't have reverse engineered their own software for the appearance of legitimacy?

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Mashiki 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, that sure explains a lot. You can sure decompile software, but if you have zero clue how it talks to hardware you're left with spaghetti. Especially when it's not software you've even written.

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HowWeGotHere 19 points ago +19 / -0

His father owned the law firm for the rockefellers, secured a white label for a consumer version of the IBM software. It took lil bill a long fucking time to build even basic computer parts to transfer it into. All bill had to do was transfer something that already existed and modify basic code. Even then he had hired help. Bill should however get credit for running a predatory business after getting funding and contacts from pops.

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residue69 0 points ago +1 / -1

I think Patterson modified Kildall's code.

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Mashiki -4 points ago +2 / -6

All bill had to do was transfer something that already existed and modify basic code.

Hehaha. Yeah, no. If you're reverse engineering something, your plan is a good way of making sure you get sued into the fucking ground even if you've got half the lawyers backing you. And I say that as someone who has legally reverse engineered hardware.

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HypnoToad00 2 points ago +2 / -0

He had connections in courts to speed up cases and the most expensive lawyers suing people for him before he even got super wealthy. Why would IBM sue him if they were in on it. Anyone that he did rip off that was smaller than IBM didnt have the money or connections to contend with him in court. Gates steamrolled everyone and anything that challenged him. Thats shows how elite Gates was before he even got the steamroller started.

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Mashiki 0 points ago +1 / -1

Huh. So when IBM tried to sue him over being part of the people involved in deciphering their BIOS system, they were in on it? And when they got caught with someone else's code in DOS 1, 2 and 3, and later on in DOS5 and with doublespace, they got away free? Oh wait, he didn't. He and his company got nailed to the wall and paid out hundreds of millions to the original owners of said code...

Huh...sure looks like he got away free with that.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

The laws governing that didn't exist back then.

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Mashiki 1 point ago +1 / -0

The laws regarding reverse engineering? You bet your ass they existed back then.

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HowWeGotHere 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's what's a white label is my friend.

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NZbacon 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are no legal repercussions to reverse engineering anything.

It's what you do after that which matters.

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Mashiki 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sure there is. Go ask the poor bastards who decided to pull the OTF encryption engine out of DVD drives how well that worked out for them.

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Judiwont 3 points ago +3 / -0

He stole the creation from Paul Allen and the other guy. They should have never brought gates In on it. But as always money talked.

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residue69 3 points ago +4 / -1

Mary Ann Gates (née Maxwell; July 5, 1929 – June 10, 1994) was an American businesswoman who also served for 18 years, 1975–1993, on the University of Washington board of regents.[1][2][3]

She was the first female president of King County's United Way, the first woman to chair the national United Way’s executive committee where she served most notably with IBM's CEO, John Opel, and the first woman on the First Interstate Bank of Washington's board of directors. Her son Bill Gates is a co-founder of Microsoft.[1]

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Mashiki -2 points ago +1 / -3

Yes and? You're still going to have to do a bang up job of getting around both hardware and software reverse engineering that IBM just kinda sorta let slip by them without being hounded into the earth when IP of an emergent technology was heavily guarded to the point that the US fed fake plans so countries like the USSR would blow up their own shit.

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HypnoToad00 2 points ago +2 / -0

What you missing is that Gates had the whole system behind him. They can acommplish these things.

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Mashiki 0 points ago +1 / -1

He did? Or was it that he had a system behind him that wanted something else?

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80960KA 1 point ago +1 / -0

IP of an emergent technology was heavily guarded

Yes, only...every hobbyist and enthusiast...was able to get at this SUPER SEKRET technology based on...Intel reference designs you could just send away to Intel for.

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HypnoToad00 3 points ago +3 / -0

You can send away for the designs but not for the level of protection Gates was given by connections to courts and high priced lawyers.

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Mashiki 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ah, so those designs which you can't get then was something everyone had? You do know that the reference pipeline for the 8084 only fell out of patent protection and trade secret status about 15 years ago.

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FireannDireach 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well, consider this - software was free, until Gates freaked out and started charging for DOS. I've known graybeards over the years who are still pissed off about that.

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Mashiki 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, software wasn't free. If you believe that you know even less you think you do. The FORTRAN license for example was $80k/year per server and $250 per terminal.