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StartAgain 76 points ago +78 / -2

What about the ballots that they found were shredded? I feel gaslit

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maga_mama_757 [S] 31 points ago +32 / -1

I have no idea what ended up happening with that!

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MAGAlikeLINCOLN 44 points ago +44 / -0

The old veteran that found them is being charged with a crime. As for the actual crime, I haven't even heard there is an investigation into it.

And why in this statement do they not say they will look to see if the type of paper matches? What about the creases? What about forensically determining if it was marked by a machine? Scanning, hand count and IT breaches mean nothing. She knows this from interviews she has given. This is NOT good news!

Call her, make sure it is a forensic accounting of the paper ballots!

Edit

The number from the letter. 602 926 5874 The email. [email protected]

Tell them a recount is a SHAM. We want to know

were absentee ballots folded does the paper match were there machine imprints or are the markings man made do the signatures match

Let her know that a recount, which will only further legitimize fraud, will lead to mass demonstrations and maybe revolution. This is not a threat and I hope it does not happen and I don't encourage it but fucking with people's right to a fair election may actually deaths and civil war.

It is important that she not cave into RINO peer pressure because her turning a blind eye to this will make her partially responsible for the sadly inevitable fallout.

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War_Hamster 12 points ago +12 / -0

This is happening in GA, or it certainly appears to be happening. Dirtbaggery is still possible, of course.

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GlacialSpeed 11 points ago +11 / -0

Hand recount of the ORIGINAL BALLOTS.

  • OR hand recount of the printed ballots from the voting machines?

Big big difference there.

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War_Hamster 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yes, there's a difference.

Is this not being done properly? It sure seemed so from Bannon's War Room.

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GlacialSpeed 5 points ago +5 / -0

I do not know if this one is legitimate.

It worries me when they say "joint cooperation with the county" because the county is doing everything possible to cover up the fraud.

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War_Hamster 3 points ago +3 / -0

The 2 people I know personally who have been driving out from San Diego to help them are pretty legitimate dudes.

They tell me this is going to be done properly. They are on to the tricks.

I've got nothing to substantiate that, so take my word as you wish. I think AZ gets this right, and I think GA will too.

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AgnesDomini 3 points ago +3 / -0

What in earth could he be found guilty of doing? There is no law of which I know which states that you can be arrested for finding garbage!

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stjimmy92 2 points ago +2 / -0

Probably trespassing

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MAGAlikeLINCOLN 2 points ago +2 / -0

Probably tampering with evidence. He brought it back to his house because he didn't want to call the police and have it not be anything. No criminal intent though and he didn't know they were ballots and once he did he called. It is BS but that is probably the charge.

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KekVult 6 points ago +6 / -0

Not counted then

It's simple

I believe they are required to keep vote records

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undefined 2 points ago +2 / -0

Recount illuminates the delta

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deleteDems 4 points ago +5 / -1

Gaslighting is the point. They had all this time to destroy most of the "evidence" of fraud (as if the statistical trend breaking, vote dumps, illegal voting rule changes were not evidence)

then they will claim there is no evidence of fraud and we will completely lose this war.

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RedditIs4Retards 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep way too late already. They fixed their fraud and erased it from history like the true communists they are.

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ENormaStitz 43 points ago +43 / -0

Are they going to look at actual ballots, check signatures, check to see if the ballot was folded as should be the case for mail-ins, check to see if there were just votes for Joe and nothing down ticket, etc. Just counting by hand is just a tabulation and not a ballot inspection. I hope thy do the job right. I dont like that they are doing it bipartisan as we all know Dems cheat. I want cameras watching everybody, and at night too.

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SurfingUSA 22 points ago +23 / -1

I want Steven Crowder's interns in charge of this, they will find (better than the election officials) which voters are registered to highway median strips and/or were killed by Hillary Clinton years ago.

/not sarc

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MAGAlikeLINCOLN 12 points ago +12 / -0

It is troublesome to see this letter because she knows exactly what we want and this is the opposite of that!

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maga_mama_757 [S] 15 points ago +15 / -0

It concerns me as well. I - as I'm sure MANY of us have - have written numerous emails detailing what all needs to be done. While her letter does mention 'testing the machines and checking for IT breaches,' it doesn't say anything about signature matching or inspecting the ballots themselves. I am hoping that this is just a vague, broad letter and that when they announce who they have chosen to perform these audits, we'll see that she did listen. But it doesn't hurt anything to keep sending emails and/or calling!

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MAGAlikeLINCOLN 3 points ago +4 / -1

No offense but I think that is a stupid assumption to make. The AZ senate has for a long time now been getting a LOT of hate specifically because of this nuance. The have begged people like Javan Pulitzer to make it stop. I believe Fann herself did an interview saying as much as this letter, was harshly criticized and then did another interview saying that all the real forensic auditing will be done. So to me it seems much much more likely that the forensic ballot parts were left out intentionally and the worthless parts put in with the "not limited to" clause. Perhaps after a SHAM recount she can say, but look, as things developed I did tell you a recount was out priority.

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maga_mama_757 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I said "hoping." Not assuming. :) I don't assume anything when it comes to this audit. I think some of the senators have given the impression they are pushing for the full works, but Fann herself seems to flip flop.

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MAGAlikeLINCOLN 3 points ago +3 / -0

Notice I didn't say you assumed. I wrote it that way incase there was some basis to your hope that the letter was just written like that from ignorance or carelessness. Some would though say to hope and not be deluded requires the assumption that that may be the case despite what I'd call overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Hoping like that isn't just entertaining fantasies but also delusion.

I also hope that the non RINOs in the AZ Senate win out here but I have no hope that Fann isn't being calculated.

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PlateOwner 2 points ago +2 / -0

it doesn't say anything about signature matching or inspecting the ballots themselves.

Signature matching would be great for an audit if it is possible. Mrs. Brickman testified at the senate hearing that signatures were not verified. They turned the authenticity dial from 15 to 1. Signatures only needed one point of similarity. One point is the same as zero points of similarity i.e., no verification.

How do you forensically audit signature matching?

Either you find each ballot and the signature on file. Are these easy to pull up and compare?

Or you audit the logs to check settings. What was the dial setting? 15 or 1? Brickman said the dial was higher than 1 and then turned to 1. How many ballots were processed at, say, 15? How many at 1?

Are there logs on the signature verification settings? Does the system create them?

Let's assume for the sake of discussion, they do. What if it turns out 100,000 ballots were accepted with Verification=1?

If Arizona law requires signature verification but the setting was 1 for 100,000 ballots, they weren't verified. All those ballots must be rejected as illegal ballots.

it doesn't say anything about signature matching or inspecting the ballots themselves.

Of course it's ideal to inspect paper ballots, but you could still detect pre-filled printed ballots from scans. (Depending on the scan settings, and how large the jpg files are, and if you can zoom into the details). I think most people can take a close look at a ballot oval and tell if it was filled out by a printer or a person.

Audit USA just sued Maricopa County to get all the ballot images. This is a basic public records lawsuit (easy to win). I emailed the plaintiff this question:

Any plans to post the ballot images online when you win your lawsuit?

“Some counties in the U.S., such as Dane County, Wisconsin, post the ballot images on their websites immediately following every election, providing necessary transparency. Arizona voters deserve to have confidence in election results by being able to view the ballot images from Maricopa County.”

Reply: Yes

So we will all be able to look at 2.1 million ballots online and count how many are fake. Maybe a software engineer will be able to write a quick program to detect all the questionable ballots. Then we will adjudicate them online.

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Robiscore98 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you have any knowledge of how the GA audit will go and what it will entail? I heard that theyre just checking to see if the ballots were pre-printed rather than if machines had anything to do with it or signature matching since Kemp's daughters boyfriend was offed when Kemp asked for a signature check

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maga_mama_757 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

That is great to hear, thank you for taking the time to explain!

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REDMARAUDER 5 points ago +5 / -0

Or check the chain of custody records

The Democrats literally control the Postal union. How many ballots did they collect late?

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SpookySpook 21 points ago +21 / -0

Counting the ballots means nothing, we need to check if they are legit

Scanning them with what exactly?

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TrumpWonByALandslide 19 points ago +19 / -0

Who's going to hand count the ballots?

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CaptRied 22 points ago +22 / -0

Georgia election officials have volunteered. Their ‘suitcases’ are already packed.

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luche09 15 points ago +16 / -1

if thier is no signature audit i dont care, i want signature audit checks thats how your find fraud

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SofaKingObvious 11 points ago +11 / -0

re-counting fake ballots while ignoring the existing fraud (signatures, fake ballots & shredding) only legitimizes the fraudulent results - this is all just another part of the theft

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Loiuzein 10 points ago +10 / -0

This means nothing. They've already shredded the real ballots and printed off copies of the illegally adjudicated false votes.

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stealthboy 4 points ago +4 / -0

This right here. The only reason this is happening is they have had time to fix everything.

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healthy2legs 9 points ago +9 / -0

He can still win!

Keep hope alive, keep faith in the Republican Party! Maybe the Republicans in Arizona who willfully, knowingly and purposefully allowed their election to be stolen will have a change of heart and they'll publicly admit their crimes and duplicity and set things back to the way they were meant to be.

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Mr_Ios 6 points ago +6 / -0

This is sarcasm right?

No politician would have a change of heart and admit to doing something wrong. Unless, of course, there is profit in that.

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Amaroq64 3 points ago +3 / -0

I remember when they used to. Just a couple decades ago, if a politician got caught having an affair with his wife, he would issue a tearful apology, resign, and never show his face again.

Now they're all psychopaths who destroy their accusers and maintain their dominance and self-righteousness no matter what.

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healthy2legs 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is sarcasm right?

yes

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Johnny108 6 points ago +6 / -0

Whoop-de-fucking-do. Recounting fraudulent ballots won't change the numbers.

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StartAgain 5 points ago +5 / -0

is this a happening or no?

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AgnesDomini 4 points ago +4 / -0

If by "scanning the ballots" is meant allowing the genius having invented the QR code access to scanning them, since he stated that he can detect fake ones, then I am all for that being done. Otherwise, signature verifications are a must....and if Gavin Gruesome in California can demand signature verification for his recall, then Arizona can follow suit.

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Pepe4Freedom 4 points ago +4 / -0

So long as they're conducting a forensic audit of the ballots and machines. That's the only thing we should accept. Make sure to let them know you support a full transparent investigation everyone.

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dagoat4l 4 points ago +4 / -0

So recount now that Biden is in office and they will not remove him. This is a joke. My brain can't handle this level of stupid.

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Saltforce1 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lot of good that's going to do. Considering all his balance is shredded and I'm assuming a shitload of those were lost in that barn fire.

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tombombadil86 3 points ago +3 / -0

What about the mail in ballots that were never put in the mail?

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PlateOwner 2 points ago +2 / -0

What about the mail in ballots that were never put in the mail?

Wasn't there evidence of this in PA, GA, and MI, but not AZ?

Unless you believe Staci Burk's conjecture and her recording of the LARP story by the Koch relative. The plane from Korea and the FedEx delivery. But she couldn't produce samples or a video. It was all based on the assumption the Koch guy was telling the truth.

MI had the video at the TCF Center. Boxes and boxes arrived by white van after 3 am on Nov. 4.

PA had the trucker, IIRC, who gave the press conference.

GA had the testimony of the veteran election worker who saw pre-printed ballots all for Biden.

AZ? The senate hearing testimony was different from the other states. It was about computer election rigging (Dr. Shiva, Bobby Piton, Brickman).

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tombombadil86 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hmmm... I'll have to re-watch the AZ testimony.

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KuzoKevin 3 points ago +3 / -0

Great news. Any discrepancies could logically be assumed throughout the state.

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TraumaHotel 3 points ago +3 / -0

If one falls they all fall. FREEDOM BONER ACTIVATED

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AndrewCuomosEmmy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Haha shredders go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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caylenesdad 2 points ago +2 / -0

You have to remember, that the stats are to be held for 22 months by law. So all of this is recorded, you will find anomalies, if stuff is missing. It will be revealed! They went the down low method ,to help the stupids wake up slowly. End result is the same, D.J.T. will be the president. J.D.M.

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Farmerbob1 2 points ago +2 / -0

Are they going to audit the shredded ballots found in the dumpster behind the ballot storage facility?

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PlateOwner 4 points ago +4 / -0

Are they going to audit the shredded ballots found in the dumpster behind the ballot storage facility?

If Staci Burk gives them the shredded ballots.

There is software to audit shredded ballots.

https://www.unshredder.com/

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BloodDe 2 points ago +2 / -0

The document says it’s a full audit why do people keep calling it a hand recount.

Pulitzer was happy about it

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maga_mama_757 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

People are only reading the headline of the article. It's a little frustrating.

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PlateOwner 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's a little frustrating.

It is. But Fann has never been clear and emphatic. She didn't say: "This is not going to be just a ballot recount--and the ballot recount is not even the main part of the forensic audit."

I don't think you can say you are doing a full forensic audit without doing a full recount, but she left the door open for criticism and frustration by omitting important details.

Just The News, for its part, is probably completely clueless about the main part of the election fraud in 2020: fraction magic fraud. They may also be totally ignorant about adjudication fraud. I don't know that they ever did one article on registration fraud.

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raptoris 1 point ago +1 / -0

Borelli, Finchem are probably pushing for ASOG to audit the mess. But Im not sure they will get there because Arizona GOP is as corrupt as Georgia, well maybe not as much, because Georgia is the epicenter of voter corruption in the country.

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Top_Patriot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Too little too late

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Roadpower 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's too bad that it is not possible to go back and recount prior elections because I would bet dollars to doughnuts that there was multiple elections of election fraud to keep John McCain in the senate.

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maga_mama_757 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bobby Piton has done some interesting work on prior elections, although I'm not certain which all states he has looked into.

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PlateOwner 4 points ago +4 / -0

We The People need software engineers to sit down with data scientists like Bobby Piton and Dr. Shiva along with mathematicians like Edward Solomon to design a program to forensically audit all past elections in every state since 2000.

The irony about John McCain is that Obama stole the presidency from him in 2008 when that election was rigged. I am hearing from two reliable sources that the rigging in the US goes back to 2008. I think Bobby Piton also said he thinks it started in 2008.

Venezuela was 2004, so not surprising.

There are indications from different sources that the Democrats after rigging 2008 and 2012 tried to rig 2016, but Trump broke their algorithm. This is why HRC was mad for four years. She had been promised the WH. She was told it had been fixed for her. In 2020 the Democrats made some adjustments so Trump wouldn't break their algo again.

Piton at the hearing said:

"I concur with Dr. Shiva that I think voting fraud has been happening in this state and possibly nationwide much longer than the past four years. I'm looking at the data and it looks as though it's going back to at least 2008."

https://youtu.be/Jk_krGTqq-M?t=802 [timestamped]

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Robiscore98 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lets be honest without Obama years we probably wouldnt have gotten Trump so maybe McCain and Romney deserved to have their elections rigged lmao

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raptoris 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean why would they rig 2008 election, when it was clear an establishment republican, especially a weak one like McCain would not win in any scenario. Bush destroyed any chances of a republican being elected in 2008. The economy was down the tubes and people were very upset about Iraq war. I think even without rigging anything Obama would beat McCain badly. Im though more worried about 2012. Romney was doing quite well in the polls, much better than Trump and he lost decisively to Obama. Do you have the work of Bobby Piton to share ? That would be very interesting to see.

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maga_mama_757 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

He does work on what he calls "phantom voters" and "unique last names." Some of it is a little over my head, or maybe he didn't explain it well at the hearing I was watching, but I get the gist of what he does. Here's an article giving an overview:

https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/28/over-500000-phantom-voters-discovered-in-pa-by-mathematician-who-was-suspended-from-twitter-after-testifying-in-az-voter-fraud-hearing/

I've got to run but if I find a more primary source I'll be back.

Here's his youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCflcye-yLLdeWZ9DrQ13lDg

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Cianevalies 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’m betting there will be a massive amount of votes missing thus making the election results questionable

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PlateOwner 4 points ago +4 / -0

I’m betting there will be a massive amount of votes missing thus making the election results questionable

This is the only plausible explanation for the supervisors not releasing them months ago.

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KitKatCat 1 point ago +1 / -0

Any ideas what happens if votes are found to be missing?

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MAGAlikeLINCOLN 2 points ago +2 / -0

602 926 5874

Tell them a recount is a SHAM. We want to know

were absentee ballots folded does the paper match were there machine imprints do the signatures match

Let her know that a recount, which will only further legitimize fraud, will lead to mass demonstrations and maybe revolution. This is not a threat and I hope it does not happen and I don't encourage it but fucking with people's right to a fair election may actually deaths and civil war.

It is important that she not cave into RINO peer pressure because her turning a blind eye to this will make her partially responsible for the sadly inevitable fallout.

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king07828 2 points ago +2 / -0

Each ballot should be scanned and the image publicly released

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PlateOwner 4 points ago +4 / -0

Each ballot should be scanned and the image publicly released

There's a lawsuit in the Court now by Audit USA to release all the scanned images:

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=+LC2021-000074

I asked the plaintiff if he's going to release them publicly. He said yes. They are going online.

We will be able to adjudicate them. We will see how many are fake for Biden from perfect computer-filled ovals.

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KitKatCat 2 points ago +2 / -0

I hope they go over as much as possible including finding out if illegals voted, under age, out of state etc...

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Slothboy 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is closing the barn door after the horse is seven light-years away and still running.

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cuqu2 1 point ago +1 / -0

at this point what difference does it make?

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PlateOwner 3 points ago +3 / -0

New legislation. If they don't change the law ,the election fraud happens again, forever.

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SickPuppy 1 point ago +1 / -0

At that speed they will be able to combine the recounts of 2020, 2022 and 2024. Likely cancelling them together. Saving taxpayers dollars!

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Data 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow, this actually sounds like a real audit. Did Arizona finally get their shit together? It's only been 4 months...

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Xchr0nos 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, an audit after what will be nearly half a year from the time of the election by the time it's actually done. Not like there's been time to hide their fraud or anything. Not like the election is already months past the certification stage and the fake winner is already in office. But yes, let's have an audit to make the normies out there that lap up the bs CNN and the like puts out trust the system even more and think - even more - that WE are the threat. Seems legit.

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MagaHippie88 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ooooo snap..... it's about to get very interesting and I absolutely cannot wait to see what's all going to come into the light for maximum SUNSHINE!!! <3 MAGA2021

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doc4trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

what's the point of this? it won't change the outcome

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AgnesDomini 1 point ago +1 / -0

If by "scanning the ballots" is meant allowing the genius having invented the QR code access to scanning them, since he stated that he can detect fake ones, then I am all for that being done. Otherwise, signature verifications are a must....and if Gavin Gruesome in California can demand signature verification for his recall, then Arizona can follow suit.

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philnmdg 1 point ago +1 / -0

It depends who is doing the recount to determine if this is good or b.s.

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maga_mama_757 [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am hoping for ASOG. But yes, I agree. They have already discounted S&L and Pro V&V's fake, limited audit so at least we know they are aware those companies are BS dominion cronies.

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philnmdg 2 points ago +2 / -0

There are a few good republicans in the house and senate of this great state. We can only hope they prevail.

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Magamyrs 1 point ago +2 / -1

The PEDO McCain Deep State Az senate is blowing smoke. What they are doing is far from anything legit. Javan Pulitzer has been there for weeks the forensic audit should have been done by now. Nothing but a bunch of lying trash just like DC

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mikethemarine 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree, they are going to count ballots and run them through the machines to see if the number of ballot votes match, not who they went to, no forensic audit of how the machines were set up on election day, or if the machines have been modified or tampered with since election day, there is no programs listed in this audit. Soon as he said they are in negotiations with the counties election board your fucked, just order them as to what your doing, They just want to be able to say the numbers are right, that's the same thing they did in Michigan Great election, far and honest, lying bastards, it's coming,** also are they going to through out all the illegal votes or verify if they are legal?**

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PodunkTexas 1 point ago +1 / -0

"... preferred forensic audit team..." Who picked the team and who is watching the watchers?

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2016TrumpMAGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

"We are negotiating final details on the execution of the audit."

Fuck that, do it!

"Our desire is to work closely with the County Board of Supervisors"

Double fuck that. Fuck those crooks.

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Drinkup4 1 point ago +1 / -0

There was a senate race there too. It would be nice if that got turned over.

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acasper 1 point ago +1 / -0

What will this change? What is the timeline for investigating the ballot shredding and mysterious fires?

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Slothboy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nothing and infinity

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thisguy883 1 point ago +1 / -0

What will this accomplish?

To show that we were right all along?

I doubt they will remove Biden and call up Trump to take office. This shit is all for show.

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Tweedlethree 1 point ago +1 / -0

Better late than never. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. They want money and we are so mad I expect this is supposed to put us in a better mood.

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AnonymousFrog 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why now?

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BillGall2 1 point ago +1 / -0

Be sure when they recount they only count legal votes. No dead people, under age, out of state , late votes)

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BillGall2 1 point ago +1 / -0

Each ballot should be checked to see if it matches a legal voter and that it was received on time. If not it is an illegal ballot and should not be counted. If chain of custody is broken it is no longer a legal ballot.

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BillGall2 1 point ago +1 / -0

Each ballot should be checked to see if it matches a legal voter and that it was received on time. If not it is an illegal ballot and should not be counted. If chain of custody is broken it is no longer a legal ballot.