My concern is, they are going to throw Dominion under the bus but will keep mail-in ballots and say "SEE! WE FIXED IT!". There has been a huge effort to distract people from the mail-in ballots and blame the stolen election on the "voting machines" just like the Democrats blamed when Trump won in 2016.
Those on our side that have been led to believe that Dominion was the largest source of fraud.
It was actually the mail-in ballots. Trump would have won if they didn't shut the election down and harvest mail-in ballots for days/weeks.
Mail-in ballots have been warned about for decades because it makes it incredibly easy to outsource the fraud, but COVID was the Democrats excuse to force them in all states.
I'm suspicious as hell about mail-in ballots, and I think you have every right to be. They should never be allowed. That said, all of the evidence does actually point to ballot adjudication being the most glaring method of fraud used, among many others.
Let's not blame the focus on Dominion on some unseen enemy. It's not the only source of fraud, but it was the most obvious, if not the largest. You'll be hard pressed to rally around getting rid of mail-in ballots. It's much more effective to start by targeting Dominion. We won't just forget about mail-in ballots.
The mail-in ballots were the most obvious source of fraud, for me, personally.
Trump was about to declare victory late on election night, with leads so huge in the remaining states, that election analysts and mathematicians were saying it was virtually impossible for Biden to catch up.
Trump's betting odds were at 95% chance to win and his team tweeted he was coming out to announce victory in 30 minutes.
That's when the panic set in and they "shut down the count" and spent days/weeks "finding" batches of 200,000-300,000 ballots, conveniently all for Biden. Witness statements match up, with them saying they saw them trucking in huge caches mail-in ballots around 1-2AM and the ballots had zero folds and looked to be marked by a machine all for Biden, with nothing down ballot.
Plus we have the video evidence of them kicking out all the poll workers and pulling out suitcases at 3AM at one polling locations.
Based on the anomalies and statistical impossibilities such as Biden UNDERPERFORMING Hillary in big cities, but OVERPERFORMING Obama in the ones that shut down the count, the steal mostly appeared to be targeted mail-in ballot fraud in around 7 key Democrat strongholds/cities in the swing states.
This doesn't make sense if the votes were switched from a control room overseas like Powell claims. Why wouldn't they just make it seamless, make the results match their polling? They wouldn't even have to shut down the election.
Basically, I see it as, if there were no mail-in ballots, Trump would have won despite Dominion. Just like he won in 2016, even with Dominion still being used in so many states.
It was the mail-in ballots, key Democrat strongholds in swing states which coordinated, kicking out observers, shutting down the count and eeking out batches of mostly Biden ballots slowly to barely edge out a win before calling it.
All of what you are saying is suspicious enough for me to believe it. It's just not a smoking gun. Dominion has that smoking gun because video using the adjudication software that lets you edit votes has been released, and alongside the Antrim county audit report, we know that a supermajority of ballots in Antrim county were exposed to this process, with many images confirmed to have been edited.
Sidenote: I put literally no stock in anything Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, or Lin Wood ever said. Some of what Giuliani said ended up being true, but the three of them played Stop the Steal like a reality TV show, and led us all on.
Overseas voteswitching is conjecture. I wager it never happened.
I fully agree that kicking out GOP poll watchers was key to it though.
I have no doubt the machines were insecure and were prone to tampering/fraud too like you said. And there is evidence of that. I just think the biggest factor was the introduction of mail-in ballots.
The one big factor that changed from the 2016 to 2020 election were the introduction of mail-in ballots.
Like I said, there is evidence that the machines were used in some areas for fraud. But there' inconsistencies because Biden did underperform Hillary in areas where Dominion was used (in areas that did not stop the count). The biggest and most obvious smoking gun for me was the fact that they had to halt the election (right before Trump won) for an entire week, and then we watched the huge ballot dumps at 3AM over multiple states all for Biden (with the graphs going straight up at 3AM to jump to a lead), and then watched Biden's count go slowly up in the rest of the states until he barely eeked out a win before they "called it". Funny how it was as soon as they could find "just enough" ballots to beat Trump, they always called it.
I definitely disregard Powell and Lin Wood's claim that there were control room's overseas where they could swap votes in real-time to whatever they wanted. If they had that capability, Trump would have never won in 2016. They could have also made the results look organic, call them on election night, and make them reflect their polls of the "blue wave." One of Powell's top witnesses who claimed that, also lied about his credentials, so that's a red flag.
Exactly, there were major inconsistencies with Powell and Wood. They did such damage to the Stop The Steal fight, while completely ignoring mail-in ballots and getting everyone to focus on Dominion instead, that I often wonder if they were mislead (Powell's lead witness which told her that Dominion was controlled by secret control room's overseas was caught lying about his credentials) or they were controlled opposition.
Like you said, that's why the hand recounts didn't change anything. If the machines were swapping votes or just spitting out whatever number they wanted, the hand recounts would reveal the inconsistencies.
They were happy to let us do hand recounts, but refused to let us do forensic analysis on the ballots or signatures.
I doubt Powell was controlled opposition, she was Flynn's attorney before this.
I think she allowed herself to be mislead. Unfortunately there are many Trump supporters who are willing to believe things without really scrutinizing them. She just has to throw together a case, a nice provocative one that makes lots of headlines (let's face it, her story had hacking, foreign powers, satellites, everything, a lot more exciting than "we used a Xerox to make 100 copies of this ballot") and then she can rake in her share of the "Stop The Steal" donation gravy train.
She didn't even bother to file good court cases (read her filings if you get a chance, it's like she didn't even bother to proofread them.) because that wasn't the point, just getting them into court to keep the headlines and donations coming.
However she may have taken things too far, and now she's getting sued by Dominion, and just asked the court to dismiss the case (you thought she wanted discovery? guess again) because "reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact"
My concern is, they are going to throw Dominion under the bus but will keep mail-in ballots and say "SEE! WE FIXED IT!". There has been a huge effort to distract people from the mail-in ballots and blame the stolen election on the "voting machines" just like the Democrats blamed when Trump won in 2016.
Those on our side that have been led to believe that Dominion was the largest source of fraud.
It was actually the mail-in ballots. Trump would have won if they didn't shut the election down and harvest mail-in ballots for days/weeks.
Mail-in ballots have been warned about for decades because it makes it incredibly easy to outsource the fraud, but COVID was the Democrats excuse to force them in all states.
I'm suspicious as hell about mail-in ballots, and I think you have every right to be. They should never be allowed. That said, all of the evidence does actually point to ballot adjudication being the most glaring method of fraud used, among many others.
Let's not blame the focus on Dominion on some unseen enemy. It's not the only source of fraud, but it was the most obvious, if not the largest. You'll be hard pressed to rally around getting rid of mail-in ballots. It's much more effective to start by targeting Dominion. We won't just forget about mail-in ballots.
The mail-in ballots were the most obvious source of fraud, for me, personally.
Trump was about to declare victory late on election night, with leads so huge in the remaining states, that election analysts and mathematicians were saying it was virtually impossible for Biden to catch up.
Trump's betting odds were at 95% chance to win and his team tweeted he was coming out to announce victory in 30 minutes.
That's when the panic set in and they "shut down the count" and spent days/weeks "finding" batches of 200,000-300,000 ballots, conveniently all for Biden. Witness statements match up, with them saying they saw them trucking in huge caches mail-in ballots around 1-2AM and the ballots had zero folds and looked to be marked by a machine all for Biden, with nothing down ballot.
Plus we have the video evidence of them kicking out all the poll workers and pulling out suitcases at 3AM at one polling locations.
Based on the anomalies and statistical impossibilities such as Biden UNDERPERFORMING Hillary in big cities, but OVERPERFORMING Obama in the ones that shut down the count, the steal mostly appeared to be targeted mail-in ballot fraud in around 7 key Democrat strongholds/cities in the swing states.
This doesn't make sense if the votes were switched from a control room overseas like Powell claims. Why wouldn't they just make it seamless, make the results match their polling? They wouldn't even have to shut down the election.
Basically, I see it as, if there were no mail-in ballots, Trump would have won despite Dominion. Just like he won in 2016, even with Dominion still being used in so many states.
It was the mail-in ballots, key Democrat strongholds in swing states which coordinated, kicking out observers, shutting down the count and eeking out batches of mostly Biden ballots slowly to barely edge out a win before calling it.
All of what you are saying is suspicious enough for me to believe it. It's just not a smoking gun. Dominion has that smoking gun because video using the adjudication software that lets you edit votes has been released, and alongside the Antrim county audit report, we know that a supermajority of ballots in Antrim county were exposed to this process, with many images confirmed to have been edited.
Sidenote: I put literally no stock in anything Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, or Lin Wood ever said. Some of what Giuliani said ended up being true, but the three of them played Stop the Steal like a reality TV show, and led us all on.
Overseas voteswitching is conjecture. I wager it never happened.
I fully agree that kicking out GOP poll watchers was key to it though.
I have no doubt the machines were insecure and were prone to tampering/fraud too like you said. And there is evidence of that. I just think the biggest factor was the introduction of mail-in ballots.
The one big factor that changed from the 2016 to 2020 election were the introduction of mail-in ballots.
Like I said, there is evidence that the machines were used in some areas for fraud. But there' inconsistencies because Biden did underperform Hillary in areas where Dominion was used (in areas that did not stop the count). The biggest and most obvious smoking gun for me was the fact that they had to halt the election (right before Trump won) for an entire week, and then we watched the huge ballot dumps at 3AM over multiple states all for Biden (with the graphs going straight up at 3AM to jump to a lead), and then watched Biden's count go slowly up in the rest of the states until he barely eeked out a win before they "called it". Funny how it was as soon as they could find "just enough" ballots to beat Trump, they always called it.
I definitely disregard Powell and Lin Wood's claim that there were control room's overseas where they could swap votes in real-time to whatever they wanted. If they had that capability, Trump would have never won in 2016. They could have also made the results look organic, call them on election night, and make them reflect their polls of the "blue wave." One of Powell's top witnesses who claimed that, also lied about his credentials, so that's a red flag.
Yep. Have to stay vigilant
Powell, Wood, and their friends claim Dominion was used to commit fraud in areas of Wisconsin that didn't even use Dominion machines.
The fraud isn't in the machines, it's in the ballots, that's why Georgia's hand recount didn't change anything.
Exactly, there were major inconsistencies with Powell and Wood. They did such damage to the Stop The Steal fight, while completely ignoring mail-in ballots and getting everyone to focus on Dominion instead, that I often wonder if they were mislead (Powell's lead witness which told her that Dominion was controlled by secret control room's overseas was caught lying about his credentials) or they were controlled opposition.
Like you said, that's why the hand recounts didn't change anything. If the machines were swapping votes or just spitting out whatever number they wanted, the hand recounts would reveal the inconsistencies.
They were happy to let us do hand recounts, but refused to let us do forensic analysis on the ballots or signatures.
I doubt Powell was controlled opposition, she was Flynn's attorney before this.
I think she allowed herself to be mislead. Unfortunately there are many Trump supporters who are willing to believe things without really scrutinizing them. She just has to throw together a case, a nice provocative one that makes lots of headlines (let's face it, her story had hacking, foreign powers, satellites, everything, a lot more exciting than "we used a Xerox to make 100 copies of this ballot") and then she can rake in her share of the "Stop The Steal" donation gravy train.
She didn't even bother to file good court cases (read her filings if you get a chance, it's like she didn't even bother to proofread them.) because that wasn't the point, just getting them into court to keep the headlines and donations coming.
However she may have taken things too far, and now she's getting sued by Dominion, and just asked the court to dismiss the case (you thought she wanted discovery? guess again) because "reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact"