No, it didn't. My link was to the overall summary. It was you that chose to look at Top Spenders instead of Industries, because you can't comprehend what "largest lobby" means or just don't know how to read statistics.
You did by claiming that pharm companies were the largest lobbyists
That's where you lied.
The original claim was that pharmacuetical companies spent the most money, and that was disproven by your OpenSecrets link.
But they do spend the most money. They spend $306,226,988, which is double the runner-up.
Again, why are you presuming the top spending pharmaceutical company you picked out has involvement in vaccines? Maybe they don't. We already went through this.
Yes, it did. On the left-hand side of your link is a sidebar that you can use to navigate to a breakdown by individual lobbyist. You providing a parent link is no different than proviing the direct link.
Where did I lie? You provided those sources based on the idea that they supported the claim made by the original poster of the topic. Supporting a claim is no different than making the claim yourself.
They don't. No individual pharmaceutical company is the highest lobbyist. Again, an aggregate number means nothing because you have no evidence that they all lobby for the same reason If they all lobbied for the same reason, there would be no need for separate groups.
No, it didn't. On the left-hand side of my link is a sidebar that you can use to navigate to a breakdown of Industries, the information that's actually relevant to what we were talking about.
You chose to go to the wrong breakdown.
Where did I lie?
"You did by claiming that pharm companies were the largest lobbyists" Right there. Nobody claimed anything about the largest lobbyists.
Again, an aggregate number means nothing because you have no evidence that they all lobby for the same reason
Again, you have no evidence what the National Association of Realtors or Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America are lobbying for, so you're just nullifying both of our arguments.
The indivudal lobbyists are separate "groups" because they're separate clients, by the way. That info is about how much each one spends, not what they spend it on.
"Where did I lie? You provided those sources based on the idea that they supported the claim made by the original poster of the topic. Supporting a claim is no different than making the claim yourself."
You supporting the claim is no different than directly making the claim.
"Again, you have no evidence what the National Association of Realtors or Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America are lobbying for, so you're just nullifying both of our arguments."
I don't need evidendce of what they're lobbying for because I never claimed to know. I just said that one lobbied more than the other, and I was proven correct by your own link.
"The indivudal lobbyists are separate "groups" because they're separate clients, by the way. That info is about how much each one spends, not what they spend it on."
No shit they're seperate clients, retard. No one ever claimed otherwise. The point is that there is no reason for them to be separate clients if they were ostensibly lobbying for the same exact reasons. I can name my company "Evil Big Pharma Inc." and lobby for stop signs to be shaoed like squares instead of octagons.
No, it didn't. My link was to the overall summary; thanks for proving that with your screenshot. It was you that chose to look at Top Spenders instead of Industries, because you can't comprehend what "largest lobby" means or just don't know how to read statistics.
What misquote? You asked twice where you lied, I told you twice. Nobody claimed anything about the largest lobbyists.
I just said that one lobbied more than the other.
This isn't just irrelevant to the actual discussion, it's a meaningless argument regardless since you abandoned your implicit claims about what the two are lobbying for.
No shit they're seperate clients, retard. No one ever claimed otherwise. The point is that there is no reason for them to be separate clients if they were ostensibly lobbying for the same exact reasons.
You said: "If they all lobbied for the same reason, there would be no need for separate groups." The reason for them to be separate clients is because they're separate clients. You're obviously just not very intelligent and have trouble wrapping your head around this topic. Your Evil Big Pharma Inc. company carries out its own lobbying activities. It spends its own money. It's separate from other companies. So it's listed separately.
Also, the fact that you're lobbying for the "exact same thing" (nobody claimed that) as another company isn't a reason for you to form a trade association or some shit and lobby as a single company. It's the exact opposite generally, you'd do that when companies AREN'T lobbying for the same things and you want to pool their resources and focus the pressure.
No, it didn't. My link was to the overall summary. It was you that chose to look at Top Spenders instead of Industries, because you can't comprehend what "largest lobby" means or just don't know how to read statistics.
That's where you lied.
But they do spend the most money. They spend $306,226,988, which is double the runner-up.
Again, why are you presuming the top spending pharmaceutical company you picked out has involvement in vaccines? Maybe they don't. We already went through this.
Yes, it did. On the left-hand side of your link is a sidebar that you can use to navigate to a breakdown by individual lobbyist. You providing a parent link is no different than proviing the direct link.
Where did I lie? You provided those sources based on the idea that they supported the claim made by the original poster of the topic. Supporting a claim is no different than making the claim yourself.
They don't. No individual pharmaceutical company is the highest lobbyist. Again, an aggregate number means nothing because you have no evidence that they all lobby for the same reason If they all lobbied for the same reason, there would be no need for separate groups.
No, it didn't. On the left-hand side of my link is a sidebar that you can use to navigate to a breakdown of Industries, the information that's actually relevant to what we were talking about.
You chose to go to the wrong breakdown.
"You did by claiming that pharm companies were the largest lobbyists" Right there. Nobody claimed anything about the largest lobbyists.
Again, you have no evidence what the National Association of Realtors or Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America are lobbying for, so you're just nullifying both of our arguments.
The indivudal lobbyists are separate "groups" because they're separate clients, by the way. That info is about how much each one spends, not what they spend it on.
Yes it did. Here's a screenshot backing me up. You can clearly see a link to "Top Spenders" on the left, like I said.
https://imgur.com/a/XEmdZWf
Nice misquote. Look at the entire sentence:
"Where did I lie? You provided those sources based on the idea that they supported the claim made by the original poster of the topic. Supporting a claim is no different than making the claim yourself."
You supporting the claim is no different than directly making the claim.
"Again, you have no evidence what the National Association of Realtors or Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America are lobbying for, so you're just nullifying both of our arguments."
I don't need evidendce of what they're lobbying for because I never claimed to know. I just said that one lobbied more than the other, and I was proven correct by your own link.
"The indivudal lobbyists are separate "groups" because they're separate clients, by the way. That info is about how much each one spends, not what they spend it on."
No shit they're seperate clients, retard. No one ever claimed otherwise. The point is that there is no reason for them to be separate clients if they were ostensibly lobbying for the same exact reasons. I can name my company "Evil Big Pharma Inc." and lobby for stop signs to be shaoed like squares instead of octagons.
No, it didn't. My link was to the overall summary; thanks for proving that with your screenshot. It was you that chose to look at Top Spenders instead of Industries, because you can't comprehend what "largest lobby" means or just don't know how to read statistics.
What misquote? You asked twice where you lied, I told you twice. Nobody claimed anything about the largest lobbyists.
This isn't just irrelevant to the actual discussion, it's a meaningless argument regardless since you abandoned your implicit claims about what the two are lobbying for.
You said: "If they all lobbied for the same reason, there would be no need for separate groups." The reason for them to be separate clients is because they're separate clients. You're obviously just not very intelligent and have trouble wrapping your head around this topic. Your Evil Big Pharma Inc. company carries out its own lobbying activities. It spends its own money. It's separate from other companies. So it's listed separately.
Also, the fact that you're lobbying for the "exact same thing" (nobody claimed that) as another company isn't a reason for you to form a trade association or some shit and lobby as a single company. It's the exact opposite generally, you'd do that when companies AREN'T lobbying for the same things and you want to pool their resources and focus the pressure.