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Hmmm. Wonder if you can mandate wearing a mask in your business & refuse to make a wedding cake for a gay couple?
I wonder what the Left would say if I required all women to wear a burqa to shop in my store.
Or if you refused service to women wearing burqas?
I'll start a business that requires no masks, proof that your aren't a liberal voting shit stain, support the constitution, AND all shoppers will be armed. I'll call it ReeeMart
Here's the stupidest thing about it. They pull the private business card UNTIL it goes against THEIR narrative!
Restaurants and gyms that refused to obey the government and its rabid Leftist voters get their utilities cut off, insurance denied, and wages garnished. Don't want to bake that gay cake? Get unpersoned. Don't want to enforce our mask mandates? Get unpersoned.
You can't call it a private business and then force it to do what you want when it fits your narrative.
Businesses should be able to do all of those things, yes.
Spend your money elsewhere and the free market will decide.
Wrong.
You don't get to just be a segregationist because the media and troll forum posts pretend otherwise because it's politically convenient at the time.
If you don't see why and why this was dealt with HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO, no one can help you. You are lost.
You're lost. Freedom of association is no less important than freedom of speech or the right to self defense.
Or would you like to bake the cake, bigot?
He's just completely confused. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's 95 years old and having a hard time with this.
Still have a hard time with "Bake the cake bigot" and "wax my balls" where is the line?
There's a HUGE difference in executing "trespass" for a refusal to comply with nonsensical "health policy", which explicitly mentions the right of exemption(but they don't enforce that part), and sexual favors and/or forcing someone to reject their religion.
This is so easy to understand but, some how, absolute RETARDS think that this is comparable...
So.. A muslims buisness can ban jews and a christian business can ban muslims?
My religious belief tells me black skin comes from the devil, can my buisness exclude them?
I dont see how they dont coincide.
Im not defending the bake my cake bigot. Im just saying all laws have loopholes and no concept is perfect.
It's about these bad faith arguments that propose a line of thinking that doesn't match with their own set forth policy they're attempting to enforce.
It's about context and equal protection under the law. Hence why we don't see a christian store banning muslims and churches forbidding black people from attending service.
This is exceptionally outrageous to think that this is somehow acceptable when it comes to disability and your natural rights to breathe normally. What the fuck is wrong with this place?
"Muh freedom is important! Better put that hijab on cuz it's muh private property hurrdurr"
Me having basic private property rights isn't a political convenience.
I'm sorry you were born retarded. I do sympathize.
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1st amendment, learn it.
And businesses already segregate. Chinese restaurants that only hire Chinese staff, for instance.
It's their business. It's not your business. And your power-to-the-government philosophy is why Hooters will be filled with elderly trannies who identify as young attractive girls in 5 years.
What is soooooo hard to grasp in this idea where you're not sick, and can't wear a mask that you be treated the exact same way as you were treated yesterday?
I. E
Go to store, they serve you. Go to same store tomorrow and they refuse because new policy.
New policy explicitly mentions exemptions because... Wait for it... It is ILLEGAL to discriminate based on the criteria set in the 14th amendment.
Did you see the Chinese store explicitly refuse service to anyone that isn't Chinese?
Also, the constitution is a document to LIMIT the power of government... It is the people's document.
You equating the constitution with "power to the government philosophy" means you either can't read or have incredibly poor reading comprehension. Either way, it's a shame.
Riiiight... Taking away the 1st amendment and giving the government the power to run your business, LIMITS the power of government. Somehow.
Derp
Freedom of association. It's in the first amendment, can you not read it? A business has every right to hang a NO BLACKS or NO WHITES or NO GINGERS sign on their door. And if I want a MASKS REQUIRED or NO MASKS ALLOWED policy, it's none of your business and it's not your decision.
Son, you have the reading comprehension of a syrian refugee. And an understanding of freedom like one...
Please point to the store with the "no blacks allowed sign".....
Sorry Gretta Thunberg, your laws controlling businesses are unconstitutional.
The 1st amendment exists, no matter how much it pains you for people to have freedom. It's real and it's there, whether or not you have the ability to read it or comprehend the simple English it's written in. It exists, and it was made 1st for a reason.
You boot lickers don't have the right to mandate masks (for or against) on private property. It's the owner's choice. Not yours.
Awww except that there's a difference between your understanding of "private property" and reality....
Too bad you can't figure it out yet....
Let's try another approach... This should make it clear enough for you....
***The republican poll watchers, in all contested states, were told to leave. Too bad, it's private property... Please continue to count the votes... Yes only the republicans are kicked out. It's private property... Democrats win! Thank God we listened to that mylilpony guy! ***
You're just as bad as the liberals. "I believe in freedom... except in these cases where I don't think you should be free". Fuck you, and your boomer, civnat, opinion.
LMAO.
Go back to the 1700's then. Sorry that you're not allowed to ban jews and blacks in the name of "freedom" all the while pissing and moaning at the censorship of conservatives.
Absolutely dumbfounded at the sheer lack of self awareness in these "debates" in favor of discriminations based on the "science" of the chinese virus.
I'm not pissing and moaning about censorship, I'm pissing and moaning that it's not one way or the other. Either you can discriminate against everything, or discriminate against nothing. The only irony here is that morons like you think that allowing only certain kinds of discrimination isn't playing right into the enemy's hands. Ever notice how all the exceptions they carve out only benefit them? People like you are exactly why this country is going to shit; you're literally too stupid to understand the long term consequences of your political philosophy, and worse, your arrogance makes you completely blind to any arguments indicating otherwise.
This is you!
"I believe in freedom! Except in these cases where I dont think you should be free".
Referring to being forced to cover your face?? You mean how you don't think you should not be free to breathe normally??
Are you that daft you don't see how stupid you just made yourself look?
You're not free to do what you want on other people's property, civnat fag. And yes, that should include them denying you service due to race, religion, or whatever.
Thanks for clarifying the point that it appears you actually DON'T have the infinity private property rights your pretending to have.
Turns out that there ARE limits to what "private property" means. Take a walk and read a book or two please.
The only limits are those imposed by government overreach, like the 1964 civil rights act.
Still outside throwing your impotent little tantrum in the street?
You obviously can't even grasp what a right is.
You don't have a right to come on my property without my permission. I'm sorry you boot lickers are too stupid to understand that. I do have property rights and freedom of association rights. I'm sorry you boot lickers are too stupid to understand that.
Keep throwing your little toddler tantrum, out on the sidewalk where you're allowed to be, but you can't take my rights.
Says the maniac pretending to take away the natural right of breathing from anyone who is on his fantasy land.
But, please continue on about how you're the real victim in all of this, sire.... Surely you can express your feelings of agony and misery better than crying on here to me about how those pesky pesky servants of yours refuse to comply with your rules?
Please go on about how the distinctive differences no longer matter and that whatever conjured up narrative that suits his majesty is just.
When you cut through all your bullshit.. at the end of the day, you're telling me how to breathe and calling me the tyrant
It's time to stop living in pretend world, sally. Time to put your dollies and the little ponies away now. It's clean up time.
I don't have to cry about pesky boot lickers refusing to follow my rules on my property. That's why you're out on the sidewalk throwing a meaningless impotent little boot licking toddler tantrum.
Your inane gibberish about masks and breathing doesn't take away my property rights or my 1st amendment rights. I'll tell you have to wear one, or you can't wear one, or I'll insist you put on a clown wig if you want to come in. That's my right. You, boot licker, don't get to control me and my property isn't your property.
Come to terms with it, because your little sidewalk tantrums don't change anything.
Is it the breathing part that bothers you or that you just don't have the ultimate control you keep pretending you have?
It's the part where a boot licking halfwit thinks he has the right to dictate my rules on my property.
Ohhh the part where you somehow get authority over people's biological functions!
That's not happening, son.
That's why I keep calling it a fantasy
Can they refuse to bake a cake?
They should be able to. Just don't use the business. Can a rafting business require you to wear a life jacket? Can a cave or a mine tour require you to wear a helmet?
We're free to boycott and protest and get the business to change it's ways
We should not rely on government to use violence in order to force compliance from a private business, they will just use that as a precedent to use violence to force you into compliance in your private home.
For insurance purposes but you can say nothing and leave.
Some fancy restaurants require a tie and jacket. There are dress codes in other places as well. I'm ok with that, if I don't want to follow it then I just don't need what they're selling bad enough.
I have a problem with using government to force them, because that same force will eventually be used against everyone.
"Private businesses can require" went out the window when the left implemented so-called anti-discrimination laws forcing businesses to serve whoever.
You have a problem with the 14th amendment, dumbass?
You call him a name because you disagree with him? Thanks for showing your Demorat true colors.
Calling it like it is. You don't know what the 14th amendment is either?
It's ironic that you just tried to play it off like I'm doing what you just did though. Nice try. Dumbass.
"It's in the constitution" is blue pill boomer nonsense. The constitution is worthless and doesn't stop anything from happening.
It's also not an argument. It's an appeal to power, not reason.
This has to be the worst take of them all.
Please continue.
It's just like the situation with Jim Crow laws - as long as governments on one level or another give some type of tacit control, business interests take a back seat.
The solution is a blend of civil disobedience and boycotts from both business and their customers.
The hypocrisy of their rhetoric when they’re also suing the cake maker for a second time but this time for a trans cake.
When roving packs of angry disenfranchised people come through and just take what they want, they'll know they screwed up.
BAKE THAT COCK CAKE CHRISTIAN BIGOT
Don't forget. You HAVE TO bake the gay wedding cake if you own a bakery, despite whatever your religion tells you and screw your private status until it fits MY Narrative!
One of the 1000 ways: 18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law
Funny thing is almost every fucking store punts the decision to wear masks off of them. Almost always the sign says “local health rules” or some variance. Never says store policy. Because they don’t want to be the bad guy
This. A lot of the big box stores lobbied for this crap.
Standard liberal policy.. talk like a bully behind someone else
as far as i know you are now required to wear 3 g-strings
They are limited by the law. They cannot discriminate. If they do sue them. Better yet find their competition and give them your money instead. When they go broke they will have only themselves to blame.
Limited by immoral laws.
Businesses should be able to refuse service to anyone in my opinion
stop telling me private businesses can do what they want when bakers are sued into oblivion at every opportunity, yet Big Tech can throttle any conservative they want
Too bad they can’t avoid baking cakes
If you don’t want to deal with the public don’t open a business.
shut up and do my bidding...
Like the health department is giving businesses a choice...
Well they aren't wrong. Everyone should be allowed to have freedom of association. If I want to require you to wear a burqa in my shop, I can. Now you may not shop there (and frankly I wouldn't blame you) and I can refuse you service if your not wearing a burqa
Gotcha. So a business can require all customers to wear a cross around their neck in order to shop there. Interesting point of view you have.
It's nonsense bad faith arguments like this that perpetually make these retards try and out retard one another.
Just go right for the jugular.... In their world, at ANY TIME, the private property can just blast you and bury you in the walls of the newly built shed. Because they felt like it ..it's "private property"....
You could be shopping in their business one day and then BAM. They can just kill you since they felt like it that day.. no police or anything. That's silly.. they can do whatever they want on the "Private property".
Apparently, that if you think there is a problem with that, you're pro government.... How about just not a radical lunatic who wants to make a deposit or withdrawal like I just did yesterday?
Yes they can, and if the person doesn't want to they can refuse service to that person. For years, Walmart had the No shirt, No Shoes, No Service signs up. and they enforced that shit.
You’re right. It’s only prohibited in places that serve food or have larger events.
No. Businesses can require you do all that shit. Sometimes, for fun, they do.
Could also slip in their store and cost them millions...
These same people saying "businesses should be able to do whatever they want" are self identifying as anti capitalists.
It's the libertarian faggots living in their hyper-capitalist technocratic wet dream. They're legitimately as bad as commies.
g-string? yes. stilts? yes. Scuba gear? yes. Mexican mask? yes. Discriminate? No.
Now, there's the kicker. Those first four things, not many people would wear into the store and therefore the business would end up not making any money. However, with the fear porn of COVID people have wholesale bought into mask wearing, so businesses have no fear of forcing mask wearing. As long as people shop there in large numbers, they can require you to wear whatever they want.
At the same time, depending on location, some businesses may fear not requiring masks because the SJW brigade will go after them and affect their business. As a result, they conform in order to keep their business open. Add in government mandates and/or recommendations and you have the current environment.
Let's say there's a business that requires all male customers to wear lipstick, dresses and women's underwear. Let's say all the businesses in your city or state require that all men wear drag in order to enter the premises. I mean sure, you can say just go patronize another business, let the free market decide etc. But if everyone is implementing the exact same regulations and it somehow hampers your ability to survive, harms your health in any way or is otherwise dehumanizing, then what do you do then? Where do you go? Not everyone can just pick up and move and start a new life elsewhere. Clearly there must be some kind of limitation on what business owners can demand.
Market forces limit it.
There would immediatly be demand for a normal shopping expirience.
99% of people suck it up and put the mask on, even if they think its dumb, so 'mask banned' stores arent profitable.
Dont hate the system, when its human behavior of the masses you dont like.
I guess if you're ancap, market forces are everything. But the problem with ancap is that it presupposes that all market participants are rational decision-makers. Not saying I support government, I for one fucking hate government. That said, there's something to be said for the necessary evil of a minimalist, night-watchman's state that enforces property rights to maximize free competition among all participants.
A minimal night-watchmen is easily infiltrated and corrupted by corporations who replace all night-watchmen with loyal servants.
The only solution is complete enumerated limitation of power by legal doctrine. We don’t fully have that, since all the rights “reserved to the states or the people” is often looked at as a free lunch by states to absorb all power and the people none.
Honestly yes, if is their business then they should be allowed to do all of those things. I have seen many places with dress codes, I think your major problem with the g-strings and shit would be lack of interested customers, I don't see why they should be forced into anything.
This post is dumb because it's not the businesses requiring it.
It's government requiring businesses require it.
Private business should be able to set their own rules. Just because there is a litany of other ways we moved further from free market does not mean we should continue that path.
Return to a deregulated market. Allow courts to settle grievances and stop the federal legislative branch from enacting domestic commerce law. Only state legislatures should be allowed to modify business laws in their own state. This is the true AMERICAN way.
Down with the Fed.
Not true. Even in states without mask mandates, businesses still insist their customers wear masks. Sometimes all of them in an entire city, county.
Yep. Texan here. And the ones enforcing it now are total assholes about it. I refuse to shop at any stores that require it now that there’s no longer a mandate and they have a choice. If they insist I wear a mask I just tell them they’ve lost a customer and leave. I can’t support people that are that damn stupid
I'd do the same, I'm in maryland and businesses are still being held a gunpoint.
It was government mandated first. Where would we be without that?
It's look totally different if the federal government had never made such an over reach.
Besides the discrimination based on race, creed, color and sex,,,yes, they can mandate a g-string or a pink tutu if they so please.
Imo I think they should have every right to refuse service based on whatever they want including peoples race, religion and sex. If I start a business and only want to serve to white males then I should have that right, why should others be allowed to tell me otherwise?
This is the right answer. Either you can discriminate against anything, or discriminate against nothing, none of this "I get to pick and choose" bullshit. Also, looking at the down votes, I'm pretty sure the shills are out in full force today.
Yeah this post is retarded. Businesses can't mandate you to do anything, but they CAN deny entry to anyone they want (discrimination against protected classes excepted) if you don't do what they want you to do.
So if a business tells you to carry an ISIS flag around while shopping at their store which exclaims Mohammad is the one true god, but you’re not Muslim and say you cannot do that because it violates your faith, your position is the business is in the correct light and the customer is out of luck?
Their radical opinion would be anything that disagrees with you and reality.
They'll cry and cry about being banned off reddit and then cry some more how black lives matter is sooo racist.
Then come right out and say how great it would be if you could force people to pledge their faith to islam in order to shop.
No shirt, no shoes, no service.
I don’t think you thought this through.
You can require shirts, pants, and shoes...honestly this isn’t a big deal, imo. Masks to at least mitigate spread on some level, so if a business owner wants to provide that level of protection, then sure.
Requiring vaccine is another level tho...
You stupid bastard. I hope you break your neck slipping down that slippery slope.
The problem is that the media has polarized it. You can think I’m stupid...see if I give a shit. And it’s really not slippery at all....
It’s only slippery before you lose all traction and enter a free fall. So, you’re right about that.
There is not a single study that can show beyond statistical noise that masks mitigate spread in any meaningful way. None.
And I don't breathe through my feet, so requiring shoes is not a valid comparison.
The masks are fucking shit and they don’t stop the spread of anything. Florida and South Dakota have the same rates as any lockdown mask state.
You wear what you want I wear what I want.
Would you fly on an airline that required sick people that are coughing a ton to wear a mask?
The problem isn't masks, its the government mandates that defy common sense + sheep panic masking and mask shaming/virtue signaling.
No I wouldn’t fly that airline. This whole episode has renewed my love of the open road.
I think we at least have to acknowledge that it stops the large droplets which reduces viral load in the case of exposure.
I honestly don’t care if you wear a mask or not, but I respect a private business owner’s right to demand that as a requirement for service.
But I was okay with business owners not baking a cake too...
When you start forcing people to serve you when it debatably puts them at risk (either physically or morally), you start to cross the line.
There is no “force.” If you don’t want the public in your store, don’t open one.
If we’re going to allow businesses to arbitrarily discriminate against anyone on any basis then we need antitrust law restored.
C’mon man....you clearly are confused as fuck.
First of all, it’s not arbitrary and hardly what would be classified as discrimination. Second, you open a business to make money...you can set the amount of risk you’re willing to take. Example, if you have a business cutting down trees and a potential client wants you to cut something down beyond your capabilities, you can say no. And antitrust? lol
You’re right. The mask mandate exactly divides conservatives concerned with the precedent being set and simpering leftists concerned with seeking peer approval.
It’s not beyond anyone’s capability to serve a maskless person.
Without it, there’s no competition. Without competition it’s meaningless to say “so? You can just shop elsewhere.”
If you can’t see the connection maybe don’t go around calling other people confused?
They're arguing about how masks work and that "private property" means the 14th amendment and your own body rights mean nothing anymore.
They're a COMPLETE dumbass.
It is actually sad that so many people here talk big game about their love for the country and the constitution but wipe their ass with it in a single comment thread.
Yep. Pro mask people seem to have incurable retardation.
Actually they can because they're private businesses lol. It's just bad business to keep the jackasses together with their money.
No person, government or business has the right to tell another person how they're allowed to breathe. We have to stop accepting the premise that breathing freely is some kind of perk to be enjoyed at someone else's discretion and not a natural right.
Seems a lot of the hardcore LOLbertarians around here have forgotten a little thing known as the principle of self-ownership. You aren't truly free unless you have control over what happens to your own body. This is why compulsory masking is wrong, from the libertarian perspective. If these clowns had their way, everybody would be walking around in space suits, schoolgirl outfits and what have you.
Yes, exactly! Man, these people... they just hand authority over their own bodily autonomy and then act all surprised when the country falls to Marxism.
They'll just use the no shirt/no shoes/no service argument like always, because you know, requiring a shirt is the same as regulating how a person breathes...
People who think it's too dangerous to breathe shouldn't be serving the public in the first place.
Without bodily autonomy, you're no better than a slave. Amazing how this simple idea goes over so many heads.
Especially here. You'd think these people would get it, but then you realize that these people are exactly the reason for the pathetic state of the GOP and the country as a whole. Arguing freedoms away on a misunderstood technicality, and then defending the tyrants who take them.
Self ownership only applies in public spaces and your property. Otherwise, the property rights of someone else's property override your ability to exercise your right of self-ownership. They can't force you to do something, but they can deny you access to their property if you don't voluntarily comply.
Yeah, no, from the libertarian perspective, self-ownership is a natural right and therefore inalienable. You don't get to decide when the individual is or is not sovereign over his own person, otherwise there could be no private property.
Look at it this way, if self-ownership is conditional, the individual's bodily autonomy is subject to being violated by other individuals and the state. This opens the door to human enslavement and trafficking. Put another way, if self-ownership is conditional, a tyrant has a right to enslave a nation's inhabitants or force them to participate in a communist economic system because the land he rules over is his own private property.
Without self-ownership, you cannot avoid being used and abused by others more powerful than you, hence its importance for libertarians.
So if you have a hard time breathing and cannot wear a mask due to that condition making it hard to breathe, it is your position that you are out of luck it a private business forces you to leave?
Pretty much anything that doesn't grant the "private property" infinity power is "un-American" accordingly...
The private property has unlimited powers and frankly, it is out of sheer luck that the owners don't just randomly kill all the customers when they're not looking. Just say they were trespassing and it's fine....
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Are you a liberal or something? Your personal thoughts, feeling, and comfort mean absolutely nothing in the face of my right to dictate every rule and regulation in my property.
You're arguing it's your right to dictate another person's natural biological processes simply because he's on your property. That is absurd.
Is my heart beating too fast on your property? Do you have the right to mandate heart regulation medication because it's not in a range of your liking?
You have rights to dictate rules pertaining to your property, you do not have the right to govern how a person's body operates.
Brilliant. Top kek
Just getting people to reveal their true intentions.
If a private business requires that you pledge allegiance to Islam and denounce any faith you might currently hold in order to eat at their food counter, you’re ok with this because it’s private property?
Note the above is currently illegal under the civil rights act.
It seems your position is that corporations otherwise open to the public for business are able to discriminate against potential customers on any grounds for any reason. Are you a liberal?
Yes, I just wouldn't eat there, because I'm not self entitled like you. Now, if we're talking about discrimination by government entities, that's a different discussion, but the right to discriminate is part of the first amendment right to association. You're the one acting like a liberal, as you want to carve out exceptions for things that you want. The problem with that mindset is that's exactly what leads to things like trannies in women's sports. If you can't discriminate against race or religion, then why not make discrimination against "gender" illegal? On the other hand, if discrimination was fundamentally legal, then there wouldn't be protected classes, and private entities, like private schools, could choose not to allow such things. Your position is much more destructive than you think.
Why don't you just shop elsewhere? Or even better you could start your own business and ban anybody from wearing masks. I personally think covid is a hoax, but if a store owner wants people to wear masks inside then I would either wear a mask or I wouldn't shop there. I also think demanding service regardless makes you look bad.
I am however against Statewide mask mandates, should always be the business choice.
People don’t see how hand in hand this can go with the gay cake case. It’s hypocritical to demand service for not wearing a mask and at the same time think it’s okay for the baker to deny gay clients. The reasons are different (religion/health), but both can be done in a non-discriminatory manner supporting personal rights and freedoms.
I personally don't believe anybody who is refused to be serviced is having their personal rights abused, it would be the other way around if I were forced to service them. This includes if I don't want blacks, Protestants, Muslims and such into my business. If I want to only hire white superstraight Trump supporting English speaking Patriot males then nobody should have the right to tell me otherwise. Was a mistake that we changed it to the way it is now back in the 60s.
If you were in the business of making money it would probably be best to sell to all people, but still believe they should have the right to refuse based on anything they want.
Masks are political speech. Businesses should not be mandating that I wear a political statement. Masks are also bad for your health unless worn in proper environments using proper protocols.
And why should a private business not be allowed to be political? Can I not put up a Trump sign at my auto shop? Isn't it their business and their right to do what they want on their property?
If you wanted to kick somebody off your property for wearing a Biden shirt or BLM shirt then you should have that right just as they should have the right with masks imo. We might as well just throw out the idea of private property if the State is allowed to dictate what you can and cannot do.
Power exists. If we treat businesses as exempt, then they are the ones in charge
You mean business owners.