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Animator 7 points ago +8 / -1

No person, government or business has the right to tell another person how they're allowed to breathe. We have to stop accepting the premise that breathing freely is some kind of perk to be enjoyed at someone else's discretion and not a natural right.

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Soviet-Canuckistani [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

Seems a lot of the hardcore LOLbertarians around here have forgotten a little thing known as the principle of self-ownership. You aren't truly free unless you have control over what happens to your own body. This is why compulsory masking is wrong, from the libertarian perspective. If these clowns had their way, everybody would be walking around in space suits, schoolgirl outfits and what have you.

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Animator 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes, exactly! Man, these people... they just hand authority over their own bodily autonomy and then act all surprised when the country falls to Marxism.

They'll just use the no shirt/no shoes/no service argument like always, because you know, requiring a shirt is the same as regulating how a person breathes...

People who think it's too dangerous to breathe shouldn't be serving the public in the first place.

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Soviet-Canuckistani [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Without bodily autonomy, you're no better than a slave. Amazing how this simple idea goes over so many heads.

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Animator 2 points ago +2 / -0

Especially here. You'd think these people would get it, but then you realize that these people are exactly the reason for the pathetic state of the GOP and the country as a whole. Arguing freedoms away on a misunderstood technicality, and then defending the tyrants who take them.

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randomusers239874 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Self ownership only applies in public spaces and your property. Otherwise, the property rights of someone else's property override your ability to exercise your right of self-ownership. They can't force you to do something, but they can deny you access to their property if you don't voluntarily comply.

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Soviet-Canuckistani [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, no, from the libertarian perspective, self-ownership is a natural right and therefore inalienable. You don't get to decide when the individual is or is not sovereign over his own person, otherwise there could be no private property.

Look at it this way, if self-ownership is conditional, the individual's bodily autonomy is subject to being violated by other individuals and the state. This opens the door to human enslavement and trafficking. Put another way, if self-ownership is conditional, a tyrant has a right to enslave a nation's inhabitants or force them to participate in a communist economic system because the land he rules over is his own private property.

Without self-ownership, you cannot avoid being used and abused by others more powerful than you, hence its importance for libertarians.

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anonanomous 1 point ago +1 / -0

So if you have a hard time breathing and cannot wear a mask due to that condition making it hard to breathe, it is your position that you are out of luck it a private business forces you to leave?

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SentryS 3 points ago +3 / -0

Pretty much anything that doesn't grant the "private property" infinity power is "un-American" accordingly...

The private property has unlimited powers and frankly, it is out of sheer luck that the owners don't just randomly kill all the customers when they're not looking. Just say they were trespassing and it's fine....

/S

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randomusers239874 -2 points ago +1 / -3

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Are you a liberal or something? Your personal thoughts, feeling, and comfort mean absolutely nothing in the face of my right to dictate every rule and regulation in my property.

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Illinois4Trump -5 points ago +3 / -8

Why don't you just shop elsewhere? Or even better you could start your own business and ban anybody from wearing masks. I personally think covid is a hoax, but if a store owner wants people to wear masks inside then I would either wear a mask or I wouldn't shop there. I also think demanding service regardless makes you look bad.

I am however against Statewide mask mandates, should always be the business choice.

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DeplorableChumpPede 2 points ago +5 / -3

People don’t see how hand in hand this can go with the gay cake case. It’s hypocritical to demand service for not wearing a mask and at the same time think it’s okay for the baker to deny gay clients. The reasons are different (religion/health), but both can be done in a non-discriminatory manner supporting personal rights and freedoms.

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Illinois4Trump -1 points ago +2 / -3

I personally don't believe anybody who is refused to be serviced is having their personal rights abused, it would be the other way around if I were forced to service them. This includes if I don't want blacks, Protestants, Muslims and such into my business. If I want to only hire white superstraight Trump supporting English speaking Patriot males then nobody should have the right to tell me otherwise. Was a mistake that we changed it to the way it is now back in the 60s.

If you were in the business of making money it would probably be best to sell to all people, but still believe they should have the right to refuse based on anything they want.

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FinishTheBorderWall 2 points ago +2 / -0

Masks are political speech. Businesses should not be mandating that I wear a political statement. Masks are also bad for your health unless worn in proper environments using proper protocols.

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Illinois4Trump 0 points ago +1 / -1

And why should a private business not be allowed to be political? Can I not put up a Trump sign at my auto shop? Isn't it their business and their right to do what they want on their property?

If you wanted to kick somebody off your property for wearing a Biden shirt or BLM shirt then you should have that right just as they should have the right with masks imo. We might as well just throw out the idea of private property if the State is allowed to dictate what you can and cannot do.