Seems a lot of the hardcore LOLbertarians around here have forgotten a little thing known as the principle of self-ownership. You aren't truly free unless you have control over what happens to your own body. This is why compulsory masking is wrong, from the libertarian perspective. If these clowns had their way, everybody would be walking around in space suits, schoolgirl outfits and what have you.
Yes, exactly! Man, these people... they just hand authority over their own bodily autonomy and then act all surprised when the country falls to Marxism.
They'll just use the no shirt/no shoes/no service argument like always, because you know, requiring a shirt is the same as regulating how a person breathes...
People who think it's too dangerous to breathe shouldn't be serving the public in the first place.
Especially here. You'd think these people would get it, but then you realize that these people are exactly the reason for the pathetic state of the GOP and the country as a whole. Arguing freedoms away on a misunderstood technicality, and then defending the tyrants who take them.
Self ownership only applies in public spaces and your property. Otherwise, the property rights of someone else's property override your ability to exercise your right of self-ownership. They can't force you to do something, but they can deny you access to their property if you don't voluntarily comply.
Yeah, no, from the libertarian perspective, self-ownership is a natural right and therefore inalienable. You don't get to decide when the individual is or is not sovereign over his own person, otherwise there could be no private property.
Look at it this way, if self-ownership is conditional, the individual's bodily autonomy is subject to being violated by other individuals and the state. This opens the door to human enslavement and trafficking. Put another way, if self-ownership is conditional, a tyrant has a right to enslave a nation's inhabitants or force them to participate in a communist economic system because the land he rules over is his own private property.
Without self-ownership, you cannot avoid being used and abused by others more powerful than you, hence its importance for libertarians.
So if you have a hard time breathing and cannot wear a mask due to that condition making it hard to breathe, it is your position that you are out of luck it a private business forces you to leave?
Pretty much anything that doesn't grant the "private property" infinity power is "un-American" accordingly...
The private property has unlimited powers and frankly, it is out of sheer luck that the owners don't just randomly kill all the customers when they're not looking. Just say they were trespassing and it's fine....
Are you a liberal or something? Your personal thoughts, feeling, and comfort mean absolutely nothing in the face of my right to dictate every rule and regulation in my property.
You're arguing it's your right to dictate another person's natural biological processes simply because he's on your property. That is absurd.
Is my heart beating too fast on your property? Do you have the right to mandate heart regulation medication because it's not in a range of your liking?
You have rights to dictate rules pertaining to your property, you do not have the right to govern how a person's body operates.
Just getting people to reveal their true intentions.
If a private business requires that you pledge allegiance to Islam and denounce any faith you might currently hold in order to eat at their food counter, you’re ok with this because it’s private property?
Note the above is currently illegal under the civil rights act.
It seems your position is that corporations otherwise open to the public for business are able to discriminate against potential customers on any grounds for any reason. Are you a liberal?
Seems a lot of the hardcore LOLbertarians around here have forgotten a little thing known as the principle of self-ownership. You aren't truly free unless you have control over what happens to your own body. This is why compulsory masking is wrong, from the libertarian perspective. If these clowns had their way, everybody would be walking around in space suits, schoolgirl outfits and what have you.
Yes, exactly! Man, these people... they just hand authority over their own bodily autonomy and then act all surprised when the country falls to Marxism.
They'll just use the no shirt/no shoes/no service argument like always, because you know, requiring a shirt is the same as regulating how a person breathes...
People who think it's too dangerous to breathe shouldn't be serving the public in the first place.
Without bodily autonomy, you're no better than a slave. Amazing how this simple idea goes over so many heads.
Especially here. You'd think these people would get it, but then you realize that these people are exactly the reason for the pathetic state of the GOP and the country as a whole. Arguing freedoms away on a misunderstood technicality, and then defending the tyrants who take them.
Self ownership only applies in public spaces and your property. Otherwise, the property rights of someone else's property override your ability to exercise your right of self-ownership. They can't force you to do something, but they can deny you access to their property if you don't voluntarily comply.
Yeah, no, from the libertarian perspective, self-ownership is a natural right and therefore inalienable. You don't get to decide when the individual is or is not sovereign over his own person, otherwise there could be no private property.
Look at it this way, if self-ownership is conditional, the individual's bodily autonomy is subject to being violated by other individuals and the state. This opens the door to human enslavement and trafficking. Put another way, if self-ownership is conditional, a tyrant has a right to enslave a nation's inhabitants or force them to participate in a communist economic system because the land he rules over is his own private property.
Without self-ownership, you cannot avoid being used and abused by others more powerful than you, hence its importance for libertarians.
So if you have a hard time breathing and cannot wear a mask due to that condition making it hard to breathe, it is your position that you are out of luck it a private business forces you to leave?
Pretty much anything that doesn't grant the "private property" infinity power is "un-American" accordingly...
The private property has unlimited powers and frankly, it is out of sheer luck that the owners don't just randomly kill all the customers when they're not looking. Just say they were trespassing and it's fine....
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Are you a liberal or something? Your personal thoughts, feeling, and comfort mean absolutely nothing in the face of my right to dictate every rule and regulation in my property.
You're arguing it's your right to dictate another person's natural biological processes simply because he's on your property. That is absurd.
Is my heart beating too fast on your property? Do you have the right to mandate heart regulation medication because it's not in a range of your liking?
You have rights to dictate rules pertaining to your property, you do not have the right to govern how a person's body operates.
Just getting people to reveal their true intentions.
If a private business requires that you pledge allegiance to Islam and denounce any faith you might currently hold in order to eat at their food counter, you’re ok with this because it’s private property?
Note the above is currently illegal under the civil rights act.
It seems your position is that corporations otherwise open to the public for business are able to discriminate against potential customers on any grounds for any reason. Are you a liberal?