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PermaHandshake 4 points ago +4 / -0

What we also need to be honest about is WHY do women want to work?

I know very few people who truly want to work. It's not really a thing people want to do. People grow into it and accept it as their responsibility and having money is nice but at the end of the day, most people would prefer not working if they could.

People who try to rationalize working as "I'm helping others" or "contributing to society" etc... are just running mental gymnastics to justify working when they don't truly want to. There are some people that do truly love what they do but it's more like 1% of people who have this job not 99%. Most of the time people saying they love their job are using a psychological self-defense mechanism to try and make themselves feel better about working.

Why do women work? That is the question we need to ask ourselves. Women who work for independence, for materialism or because society told them they were supposed to and they just followed along are all working for the wrong reasons. The only truly good reason to work is to put food on one's table and contribute to a community but most people's work isn't contributing to their own community. With globalization, most people's work is actually hurting their own communities, though few understand it.

We need to start changing our culture and promoting women to stay home to look after the family instead of working. This is better for her, better for the men in society and better for children.

I highly disagree with you trying to play the quality role. The man should work and the woman should stay home. That leads to a much better outcome for society as a whole. Women are better designed to be the homemakers and men better designed to be the workers. That is the way it should be.

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Pierre_Delectoes 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think there are certainly jobs men are better suited for, but there are also jobs that women are best suited for. If a woman wants to work, I think that's fine. Maybe women are optimal caretakers and men are optimal worker bees, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to do that. A man can raise children and keep a home perfectly well and a woman can work perfectly well.

I think the thing that can't be accommodated is children raised by screens and strangers because both parents are working outside the home.

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HiddenDekuScrub 2 points ago +2 / -0

Honestly, I kind of don't want to work...

Honestly, I hated being the kid who never had allowance money back when I was younger. Am I being materialistic? I guess so. But I also don't buy a lot of clothes or other such things.

I did try the housewife thing for a bit before I had my kid and was bored out of my skull. Now, I could probably make it work. But I'd have to have some "me" money, and that just feels like an extra annoyance to put on the husband. (It certainly was back then.)

These days I work full time and take care of the kid and housework. Yeah, it's a lot of work. But it is what it is. And both of our savings are starting to build up.

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PermaHandshake 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't disagree with the situation you found yourself in and have made work. I'm just saying what is optimal. If less women were involved in work, men's salaries on average would go up. Most people are exceptionally wealthy and do need far less than they realize. If public education was abolished and many welfare programs we don't need then after-tax income would go up again. Most guys would prefer the wife staying home in my experience so it's not a burden at all. It's only a burden when men have to worry about their wife leaving them, which is also the concern women have with giving up their career. That's a social program we need to look into fixing which has a lot of other underlying issues but ultimately, things do work better IMO when the man works and the woman stays home.

The only people truly benefiting from both men and women working are the owners of capital who've increased their workforce supply and thus their profit by lowering wages and increasing production. Production for things we don't truly need. If someone actually did the math on Starbucks coffees, secondary transport expenses, work clothes, etc... eating out because (too tired after long day of work), daycare, etc... etc... etc... Most people aren't actually adding much value at all by working and would actually be way better off just staying at home. While some women have significantly good careers, again when you factor in the fact that more of those careers would be available for their husbands if the women stopped working, combined with the education costs and everything else, it just really isn't worth it for most women to work.

I totally get why women end up working in modern society but we could create a better outcome for society, especially from a social and well-being not necessarily maximizing GDP, by having women not work.

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HiddenDekuScrub 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean I get the math, but you'd have to convince the vast majority of all women to leave the workforce simultaneously.

That said, maybe it'd get rid of all the pointless marketing, middle management, and various other "make work" jobs that make it hard to get a job where you actually do something useful.

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PermaHandshake 3 points ago +3 / -0

You are right, it's a systematic problem, which is why simply straight up banning women from the work place was actually the optimal solution. "Liberty" has been used as a weapon against us. It'll be tough now to be able to get women out without drastic authoritarian action, though I do believe if you have much less government taxes/regulation along with far more nationalistic policies, you would naturally see more women leave the workforce.

If you shutdown immigration, you'd see a push for the society to get more women having children because corporations couldn't use immigrants to boost the labour pool anymore and the military even would start to get worried. Countries like Hungary that have moved anti-immigration have also looked to boost child births and ultimately, the less women work the more kids they can have.