posted ago by JohnCocktoastin ago by JohnCocktoastin +3 / -0

This border situation and illegal immigration problem is entirely of our own making. And it has become an absolute humanitarian disaster. Those of us (such as myself) that consider ourselves "conservatives" are not without culpability here. And before you blast me, hear me out.

I didn't do a lot of smart things when I was younger. But one of the few smart things I did do was learn to speak Spanish. This has been a great joy for me, as it has opened a lot of doors. And I thoroughly enjoy the language. Through this ability, I have learned a lot more about how disgraceful the system we have set up actually is. And a good chunk of that is on us.

We have been fighting the same battle on illegal immigration for 60 years. And it has been the identical battle since the '86 amnesty bill. Every single election cycle we are stuck in the same bullshit arguments. Republicans are racist and hate hispanics, and Democrats care more than we do. Both are farcical. But we keep getting stuck there. This perpetuates this outrageous system where we continue to be the only country in the world without active border enforcement.

The people coming here are overwhelmingly seeking to exit absolutely destitute conditions. The drug cartels have obliterated any semblance of tranquility in northern Mexico at the behest of we conservatives who have for decades continued to elect representatives that pay to fight a lost cause "War on Drugs" in Mexico instead of within our borders. There are over 100k murders a year in Mexico, mostly as a result of the cartels.

There are estimates that Mexican drug cartels earn between $500-$700 billion a year from drugs alone into the US. This is insane. This is a retailer that dwarfs the next 10 biggest legitimate retailers combined in the US. Nobody can tell me that a business of this stature could exist without tacit US approval. And it probably is another skim where there is 10% for the big guy, or they fund raise to pay for things that the US taxpayer might lose their mind about if it were done through the legitimate congressional appropriations process.

Obama destroyed what little function there was in Honduras when he first took office. Now the entire place is like a war zone. You would want to act like there was a curfew and not go outside after dark in most places. It is like Lord of the Flies there. Could anyone expect that those with the means would not attempt to go somewhere else for a life not like this one? Of course not.

El Salvador is similarly dysfunctional. And appears to be a training ground for guerilla enforcers (MS-13) that carry out all sorts of black ops for the deep state. This country lives in eternal fear. Nobody would stay if they had another option.

Which leads me to the shit show that is our immigration system. We don't have one. We have large swaths of people and political leaders that pretty much openly advertise that everyone should just show up. We also have made the process to come here legally from those countries next to impossible. We simply don't take people from there. The number of legit visas we do issue that are not chain migration connected are so tiny. And this is legislatively purposeful.

These people do not have realistic options to become legal members of our society. They can do a handful of things to do this: (1) Marry a US citizen; (2) Give birth to a US citizen (which is helpful but does not guarantee anything); (3) Go back to their home countries and apply to return legally, but since they were here illegally they are barred from reentry for 10 years; or (4) do something mildly illegal, and hope the immigration judge does not find you to be an ongoing threat; then you will get a work permit and can stay.

To those of you who continually say "I don't give a shit, deport them all! It is on them, they knew they were breaking the law, it isn't my problem..." this is entirely an unreasonable and unrealistic undertaking. Sure, theoretically this is true. But the economic disruption would be monumental. Have fun getting all those Americans to fill the construction jobs instead of collecting checks from Uncle Sam. These are not exploitative jobs; they pay extremely well. Americans simply won't do this manual labor at just about any price it seems.

The truly exploitative labor is the legal system of imported labor they have set up. The seasonal farm workers are amongst the most exploited. The wages are allowed to be next to nothing, because the employer "provides food and housing" which is not unlike the "food and housing" convicts receive when sentenced to prison. And often, these people have to pay 10% to the big guy under coercion, so the money is even worse for them.

Of course, I do not advocate for, nor do I want a system that gives citizenship to people who came here illegally. This would be outrageous. And unnecessary. The people that come here illegally just want a better life, to be able to provide for their families both here and abroad, and would love the chance to be able to freely travel to and from their countries of origin. Citizenship is not of interest except to Democrats, who want more votes.

But we cannot expect anything less than what we've got so long as we continue to push (1) deportation for all; (2) endless drug wars that put small time economies up against the purchasing power of the American consumer; and (3) a legal immigration system that simply does not accept sufficient numbers of people.

This subject is more comprehensive than this post. But this Biden Border Shit Show (BBSS) has greatly upset me. I feel absolute disgust at the images I've seen coming from that border. This should not happen anywhere. There ought to be severe consequences.

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Friendly_B 1 point ago +1 / -0

We honestly should be having some kind of war on the gangs. I don't know what that looks like, or if it's even manageable. I even disagree with it in principle.

We learned in Iraq that we can't export democracy. However the people of Mexico are not the people of Iraq. In Mexico there are a high percentage of God-fearing people, Catholics etc. This is required for a country to have freedom, it's essential.

I don't think we can handle another endless foreign occupation. It might break us. So I will be my own Devil's Advocate here.

However if we could, I think the solution is to invade and liberate those countries one at a time. Work with the existing Mexican President instead of dislodging him. Firm up the borders.

Then the people can start to rebuild their society. I want a strong, patriotic, conservative neighbor to the South. They should be at least as well-off as Canada.

Bottom-line for me: I think it comes down to the philosophies of the people involved. I'm just afraid the philosophies of Mexico have been kill-or-be-killed for so long that it would take two generations to elevate their culture again.

However, two generations ain't all bad. That's how long it takes Marxists to destroy a culture too. It's how long Moses kept his people in the desert so he could build a strong, independent population and let the people with the slave mentality pass away.

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JohnCocktoastin [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Until we seal the border with serious measures and actively police it, this is the shit show we get. And when the cartels are earning over $500 billion a year, they have to be operating with US approval. I can't see any other way around it.

If we were serious about stopping the drug trade, it would happen. Since it has not happened, we cannot be serious about stopping it. I am not for legalization of drugs. But if the alternative is over 100k Mexicans a year being murdered in drug gang wars and a humanitarian crisis on our border, kidnappings in southern US states and drug gang murders in our borders, it would seem that an orderly and regulated drug system would be preferable to this disaster.

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Friendly_B 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah I also can see why you'd want to create order out of chaos with the drug trade. However I'm sure we would both agree that we would want to create a tapered-off end to it within a decade or something like that. And we'd end up with a crony corporate political model which would be so profitable to The Big Guy.

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Friendly_B 1 point ago +1 / -0

Here's something that almost nobody knows: human trafficking is way more profitable than drugs.

Drugs are depletable. A girl can earn $250k per year for her pimp.

1/4 of female runaways ended up trafficked before Covid. Since Covid that number is 1/4 of runaways.

Also this will surprise you. While 18% of trafficking victims are ages 13 to 17, fully 26% are ages 18 to 24. So its easy to overlook victims because we're used to thinking in terms of only children. A lot of those adults coming over may also be part of it.

And yeah I believe a lot of the American upper crust is getting a cut.

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JohnCocktoastin [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

This problem is so monumental, it is incredulous to believe that it isn't allowed to happen. The cash flow is insane. They gave enough of a shit to start policing the outflow of US currency decades and force customs declarations of more than 10k....I'd say we have a bit more than that leaving the country at the moment through the drug trade.