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Elvathelion [S] 18 points ago +18 / -0

That's where I am coming from, thanks for spelling it out.

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Elvathelion [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

If the US can oust the globalists and their Marxist puppets, I could see it happening.

Russia has its related problems but seems (from where I sit) to be better equipped to deal with them because of Putin.

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tentigers99 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes. well said.

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Galahad175 2 points ago +2 / -0

Would you like some tea?

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JoePedoCheated 31 points ago +31 / -0

The Russian Boogeyman is literally a Liberal-created myth.

Russia is a majority white country. The Russian people are amazing. They threw off the yoke of Communism, for chrissakes. They are a Judeo-Christian people, and don't trust nor welcome immigrants, nor cater to homo bullshit.

Every bureaucracy has corruption, and Russia is no different, but painting them as our enemy only benefits the Left. They fit as The Enemy the Left wants simply BECAUSE they are a white country. Period.

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basedvirginian 17 points ago +17 / -0

I think the left hates them even more because they rejected socialism/communism

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Elvathelion [S] 10 points ago +10 / -0

But but that wasn't real communism!

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SR-71A_Blackbird 6 points ago +6 / -0

It was fascism. As Orwell told us, that's what communism always becomes.

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Elvathelion [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because Communism can never get beyond the "seizing" property and means of production part - because those who do the "seizing" never want to give it up.

Heil, Seizure!

:p

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SR-71A_Blackbird 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good one!

We see the same thing in our own government. As the feds control more and more of the economy the amount of lobbying to control the federal government also goes up. Money attracts money.

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leatherbottom 5 points ago +6 / -1

can confirm. Wife is russian, their people and culture has things that are severely lacking in USA. (not that everything is perfect.)

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tufftoffee 1 point ago +3 / -2

Nothing Judeo about it.

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VoltronGreen1981 21 points ago +21 / -0

NATO needs the Russian bogeyman to justify its existence. That's why the cold war nonsense is still being pushed by the globalists.

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SnowflakeJuice 4 points ago +8 / -4

Putin is no angel, he invaded Ukraine and Georgia. But his ability to create mayhem on a global stage is limited by the weakness of the Russian economy

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AQuietVoice 10 points ago +11 / -1

The invasion of the Crimea was in response to anti-Russian sentiment targeting the ethnic Russians who lived there. He warned the Ukrainian government that Russia would intercede if those people were not protected. Ukraine called Putin's bluff only to find that he was not bluffing. This was only made possible because American and European supporters of Ukrainian rebels convinced them to illegally overthrow their President. The government that signed the 1991 Treaty that guaranteed Crimea as a part of the Ukraine was illegally removed in accordance with the legal due process of their constitution. While the provisional government tried to reaffirm their border, Putin was under no obligation to keep the agreement as the other legitimate party was illegitimately removed from power.

Regarding the invasion of Georgia, local terrorists were firing weapons across the border into Russia, against Russian forces. Putin gave the Georgian government an ultimatum to resolve the problem by a certain time, or he would. Whether through incompetence or malice, the Georgian government did not stop the attacks, and after the ultimatum date passed, Russia invaded following the next attack that crossed the border. The secured the area and fixed the problem that the Georgians were either unable or unwilling to.

Putin may be no Angel, but neither is he the monster that he is made out to be.

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SnowflakeJuice 3 points ago +4 / -1

Wow, Pravda has a home here.

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AQuietVoice 2 points ago +3 / -1

Which of my points are inaccurate or in dispute? Since you have falsely accused me of being Pro-Russian Government Propaganda, I invite you point out where I am mistaken. I will not be dismissed so easily. That is a tactic of the leftist shills we are all here to oppose; so back up your assertion, retract it, or be professed the leftest shills that you imitate.

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SnowflakeJuice 0 points ago +2 / -2

Lets start with your first sentence "The invasion of the Crimea was in response to anti-Russian sentiment targeting the ethnic Russians who lived there." How were "ethnic Russians in Crimea" targeted in a way that would justify an foreign invasion?

Do you have any examples or evidence of that? you do know that was also Hitlers supposed justification for kicking off WW2

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AQuietVoice 2 points ago +2 / -0

After illegally ousting President Viktor Yanukovych, the provisional government and through the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) issued the following statement on 21 Feb 2014, "[We will] use severe measures to prevent any action taken against diminishing the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine." The provisional government was known to be hostile to Russian interests, as the former president was supported by Russia. The ethnic Russians of Crimea in the city of Sevastopol protested the illegal actions of their rise to power. There at the demonstrations, there were chants demanding the release of the territory to the Russian Federation. These protests were dispersed violently, and the Russians retaliated. Putin had been warning the Ukrainian provisional government for months prior to the invasion that they would respond harshly at the first hint of violating the rights of the Crimean Russians. When the Ukrainian Parliament introduced a measure to remove Russian as an official language for government use, the people protested, were suppressed by the local officials, and the Russians invaded as they said they would.

Please note, I did not say that the Russians were justified in their invasion, merely that they had stated reasons for doing so. There is more to the issue than what the news media fed Americans at the time. As for the justification for foreign invasion, consider the fact that for centuries prior to 1991, Crimea had been a part of Russia. As far as the Russian government was concerned even then, it was not "foreign territory" but a piece of land they had to surrender in order to prevent a potentially hostile nuclear next-door neighbor. When the rebels failed to follow due process against Yanukovych, the Russians capitalized on the opportunity. Given that there have been numerous referendums in the province to rejoin Russia, all of which have passed, do they not have the right to self-determination?

And lastly, does your last sentence qualify for Godwin's law, aka reductum ad Hitler? Did we not have a justification to protect the persecuted people of Germany? Does Putin then not have an obligation to his neighbors to the south under threat of persecution from a hostile regime?

These are complicated issues, and simply for pointing them out, you accuse me of being an untrustworthy propagandist instead of a more honest recognition that I have actually researched the issue beyond the American media narrative.

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SnowflakeJuice 1 point ago +2 / -1

What prosecuted people of Germany was Hitler protecting?

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SnowflakeJuice -1 points ago +1 / -2

Yes Ukraine had election s, yes there were protests, yes security forces cracked dow, that does not make it, nor was it a crackdown on ethnic Russians.

It was Sovereign Ukrainan territory. Russia wanted it because of their naval base being there.

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Galahad175 3 points ago +3 / -0

I have a question, Didn’t the Russians fuck up a Ukrainian election?

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AQuietVoice 2 points ago +2 / -0

Likely, but at the same time, doesn't the United States meddle in their elections as well? Whether it affects the outcome or not, who can say?

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VoltronGreen1981 3 points ago +3 / -0

Russia will always be a competitor, but hostility does not need to exist when it is unwarranted.

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SnowflakeJuice 2 points ago +2 / -0

They aren't really a competitor, although I agree, hostility is not warranted, doesn't mean we shouldn't be keeping an eye on them

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Monz 16 points ago +16 / -0

From what ive heard hes pretty popular with common Russian folks. But not with city folks.

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Brains101 14 points ago +14 / -0

Sounds about right. President Trump’s popularity was/is the same way, and both of them are nationalists.

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DangleBarry 13 points ago +16 / -3

Mother Teresa was a very sick individual who did some fucked up things.

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Elvathelion [S] 10 points ago +12 / -2

Alas, the Catholic Church, and yes.

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MakeCaliGr8Again 6 points ago +6 / -0

Care to elaborate?

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Pepedom 14 points ago +16 / -2

She was basically a backwards crazy from the shittiest part of western Europe who believed that human suffering was the only path to God. Her "hospitals" were dying centers. They never actually tried to cure anyone. They barely tried to offer pain management. The whole point was for people to suffer. She herself had lost faith in God and "could no longer hear his voice". She was about to be excommunicated by the church when some stupid journalist discovered her and made her famous. And then, the church, being the money loving assholes they are, used her for massive fundraising. What else? Oh ya, she took money from the shittiest people...like fucking dictators, used that money to build new convents with her name plastered everywhere. While people in her care were dying of starvation and simple diseases curable by use of cheap antibiotics, that midget asshole was knobbing it up with attention seeking socialites like princess Diana on private jets. That fucktard campaigned to stop divorce from being legalized in Ireland and then 2 weeks later congratulated her "good friend" "princess" Diana on her divorce from Prince Charles. She campaigned to keep birth control illegal in the poorest most overpopulated countries in Asia.

Absolutely nothing she did actually helped anyone. She didn't even pray for the healing for the poor...she wanted people to suffer.

Everyone's understanding of that women is 100% wrong. She was an extremely stupid and uneducated fanatic of the worst kind, the kind of evil woman character that would be a witch in children's stories. She was an uneducated religious fanatic hick of the worst kind.

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MakeCaliGr8Again 3 points ago +4 / -1

Why haven't I heard of any of this? Heading to the rabbit hole...

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Pepedom 4 points ago +4 / -0

Bc media is fucking efficient. Look up Christopher Hitchens "The Missionary Position"

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Elvathelion [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Obamas and Clintons loved her though!

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SR-71A_Blackbird 0 points ago +2 / -2

Then there were the kids she is rumored to have raped.

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Smurfection 11 points ago +12 / -1

oh heck no! I have tons of respect for the Russian people and Russian orthodoxy but no way in heck would I want our country to align with Putin. Putin is a KGB butcher and the only thing that separates him fro the USSR butchers that rose to the top is that Putin is pretending to be a Christian and a nationalists. He's not. He's the head of a ruthless oligarchy that is thriving off the corruption in Russia.

Why should be seeking a stronger alliance with Poland, not Russia.

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Elvathelion [S] 2 points ago +3 / -1

I love Poland and the very few other based European nations - but while I generally am pragmatic, not romantic concerning Putin, I still think a closer relationship with Russia would be a match made in geopolitical heaven for anti-globalists and freedom lovers.

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Smurfection 2 points ago +3 / -1

There's a difference between being anti globalist and aligning with Russian expansionism. Putin is just a different type of globalist. Under Putin, Russia invaded Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine. He kidnapped Estonian officials, aided and supported our enemies during active engagements, sides with China on international matters and screws with the EU's natural gas (the EU being our ACTUAL ally). Putin is just a globalists in the 19th century mode.

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Elvathelion [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

I think painting Russia as "exapansionist" is ludicrous.

The United States operates a global network of military installations and is by far the largest operator of military bases abroad with locations in dozens of nations on every continent, with 38 "named bases...

In 2018, it was reported that Russia operates at least 21 significant military facilities overseas... The majority of Russia's military bases and facilities are located in former Soviet republics.

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Smurfection 3 points ago +3 / -0

"Former Soviet Republics"

You mean the 30 or so odd countries, the Russians invaded and then occupied, some of them for almost a century?

The only reason Russia isn't countering the USA militarily on a global scale in terms of bases on military support for our enemies, is because the Soviet Union fell apart and Russia's economy has never recovered. Russia has one bit of leverage, the natural gas pipeline into the EU and it's playing that for all its worth while grasping for ports in the Middle East.

Look, see the thing is, Russia is not our ally. It can never be our ally as long as it continues to bully its way to get what it wants globally, silences dissidents and kills off domestic political opposition.

The problem isn't that we aren't friends with Russia. The problem is the left in our country is a lot like Putin's Russia just with a few differences on cultural issues such as Christianity, diversity and LGBTQIA++.

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wolfsettler 4 points ago +4 / -0

I used to hate Russia... Then the left went batshit crazy with the whole 'russia' hoax. Now I want russia to be russia and america to be america. We don't have to agree with what they do and they don't have to agree with us. Let's just leave each other alone!

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BasedNtruth 4 points ago +4 / -0

I agree OP. Part of the reason our media and elite demonize Russia is because they successfully purged the communists after decades. Same reason is why our media uses the kid gloves in China, they’re both communist authoritarians

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Olds77 4 points ago +5 / -1

Putin's not great. I wish the Russian people well, but the corruption there is staggering. We shouldn't be sanctioning them over Russian majority Crimea, but I don't see us being real friends with them either.

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Elvathelion [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

If we can be friends with NK we can be at least as much with Russia.

I was around during the Cold War - it's amazing how so many people want to raise up the corpse of that time now despite there being so many geopolitical reasons for a multi-level US-Russia cooperation.

Both houses need cleaning - corruption is rampant, the US is likely far worse off in that regard.

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ShampocalypseWOW 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Russians are an oligarchy that puts our own oligarchy to shame. You can't make the mistake of thinking Russia is a country. It's a gangland with a highly advanced and entrenched gang of former Soviets in charge.

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Aestiva1 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've felt this for a while.

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MAGAsJustBegun 2 points ago +2 / -0

Did Russia ACTUALLY jail Rothchilds bankers?

IDK if that's true but always hear it. Also hear how they kicked out Soros...

Sounds misleading to me.

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Elvathelion [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm not sure.

This quote is attributed to Putin concerning the Rothschilds:

“They do not own the world, and they do not have carte blanch to do whatever they want. If we do not challenge them there will be other issues. We will not be bullied by them.”

The story appears here: https://web.archive.org/web/20200511060118/https://csglobe.com/putin-banned-rothschild-banking-cartel-russia/

A supposed "debunk" of it is here...

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/06/fact-check-putin-did-not-ban-rothschilds-from-russia.html

In regards to Soros:

There's definitely no love loss...

According to Soros, Russia’s strategy is to “avoid collapse by making the EU implode first – by exacerbating the migration crisis and stoking Islamophobia”.

On February 11, the Guardian ran an article by George Soros which had run a day earlier here entitled “Putin is a bigger threat to Europe’s existence than Isis.”

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BigPedeEnergy 2 points ago +2 / -0

An enemy of Merkel is a friend of mine

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SnowflakeJuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

In an ideal world the U.S. wouldn't give a shit about Russia. Don't need why some feel the need to idolize Putin, the only thing he is actually good at is taking out political rivals.

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Elvathelion [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, the US seems to have a traitor problem and no one takes out the garbage.

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Stolen 1 point ago +1 / -0

Democrats love Xi JingPing and the Uighurs being butchered. Democrats applauded the Hong Kong crackdown. Democrats want to viciously do to Americans what Xi did.

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Galahad175 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hard pass. The Russians have been subverting America for a very long time. Shit, look at our current state of affairs.

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Elvathelion [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Umm, I see Chinese people

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Galahad175 1 point ago +1 / -0

You don’t think two countries with the same system of government could work in tandem?

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Elvathelion [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I didn't realize so many ANTIFA and democrats were Russian migrants.

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YaBoiJacob 2 points ago +2 / -0

Someones never heard of china

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Mouthpounder 1 point ago +2 / -1

Mother Teresa was a child trafficker

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Latin_Patriot_MAGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

Latin American socialists "admire" Putin because according to them he still has a bit of the Soviet Union inside, and they admire him more because the Russian army is more "" powerful "than the American army.

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GhostofPatrickHenry 1 point ago +1 / -0

What other white Christian nation is there?

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Elvathelion [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

UK...France...Europe...

:/

Poland and Hungary stands out if I recall as being exceptional.

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tufftoffee 2 points ago +2 / -0

LMAO UK and France don't even count

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GhostofPatrickHenry 2 points ago +2 / -0

The first 3 are all mooslime now or within 10 years.

Kudos for Poland and Hungary. With a combined population just over 45 million and small economies, they are not huge assets against China.

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YaBoiJacob 1 point ago +1 / -0

Slovakia

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belil569 1 point ago +2 / -1

Mother Teresa was an insanely evil cunt. Putin is at least straight up with the crap he does.

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HiddenDekuScrub 1 point ago +1 / -0

If there's one thing I noticed about Putin during Obama's years, it's that he often ended up being the adult in the room on the world stage whenever Obama let something stupid happen for SJWish reasons.

He "checks" some of the nastier opponents. And whether or not people like it, that does, in some ways, protect us. That's how a worldwide balance of power works.

Russia isn't problem free by any means, and Putin isn't perfect. But I'd rather deal with him than some of our own politicians.

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Pepedom 0 points ago +1 / -1

Mother Teresa was a hypocritical cunt and I will gladly say that loudly.

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MrGone -8 points ago +4 / -12

So... now we're putins cock holster?

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Elvathelion [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

I guess if you want to buy into how the left frames what passes for an argument.

False dichotomies aside, just what is the Biden/Harris team to the CCP?

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MrGone -9 points ago +1 / -10

It's laughable how quickly you guys went for the "switch teams" bait

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Elvathelion [S] 9 points ago +10 / -1

Teams?

The USA has a hell of lot more in common (or should) with Russia than we do China and even most of Europe who have become globalist and commies.

Strategically, we share a common border and control a huge amount of natural resources.

We also share a Judeo-Christian lineage and face many of the same challenges, including corruption.

There's no switching involved here, only a rational realization of common interests and shared paths.

The globalist media did their best to piss on any idea of Russian and US cooperation - why do you think they did that?

At the same as they preached the glory of China and were effectively mouth pieces for the CCP.

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Deplorable1 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm with you. The world has changed a lot since the end of the Cold War. Globalism, Islam, and China are actual threats to our nation. Russia has many of the same enemies as we do, and due to changes in ethnic populations in Western Europe, our old allies will not be recognizable in a few decades. Imagine sending our youth to die to liberate Muslim France from a traditional Christian nation. One day Russia will liberate Europe from Islam, and we'd be foolish to stand in their way. If you look at our early Cold War relations, the deep state did everything it could to fan the flames, something that they continue to do to this day. The U-2 incident is textbook deep state, and changed our post-war relations with the USSR for decades. Col. Fletcher Prouty is a name worth researching if you don't know who he is.

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SnowflakeJuice 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree with you that China is a bigger threat. I don't think Russia is much of a threat because they are weak economically.

If Russia had the economic might of China, that would be a different story.

Incidentally, this highlights the fact that Putin is not a great leader. While China has flourished economically, Russia has been stagnant.

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Elvathelion [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Globalists are the biggest threat - they powered the CCP into dominance and worked to weaken both Russia and the USA in as many ways as possible.

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SnowflakeJuice 1 point ago +1 / -0

I strongly agree that globalists are a problem, China is a bigger problem right now and they both have common interests

As far as weakening Russia, Putin is responsible for weakening them economically. Appropriating privately held and publicly traded companies destroyed their economy other than natural resources

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MrGone -8 points ago +2 / -10

Sure thing, comrade.

Dosvidania

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Elvathelion [S] 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yeah, so no argument, not shocked.

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x79q3pb 5 points ago +5 / -0

You did well. Unfortunately the media propaganda is very strongly instilled in some. But as you quite rightly pointed out, there's no arguement, so the name calling starts, and we've seen who also displays these traits over the last few years. Молодец.

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MrGone -1 points ago +1 / -2

What's to argue. Your idea to ally with Russia is dumb. No argument

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YouNeedVPN 3 points ago +3 / -0

You sound like one of those idiot liberals who thinks the UK and Canada are allies. Lol!

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MrGone -1 points ago +1 / -2

No one is our Ally. This isn't a game of throwns, dork

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YouNeedVPN 1 point ago +1 / -0

In the same vein, russia isn't our enemy.

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MrGone -1 points ago +1 / -2

I don't get the Russia love lately.

You all must be too young to remember all the people putin had killed.

I think you're all just looking for your new team to be a part of. TRIBALISM

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YouNeedVPN 2 points ago +2 / -0

If governments killing people means we can't associate with them, then we must shun every single country in the world including our own.