Somalia West: Felony rape charge doesn’t apply if victim got drunk on her own, Minnesota Supreme Court rules
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Well ok then.
Can we backdate this to all the men who were convicted of rape just because a woman got drunk and went home with a guy and regretted it the next day? (even when the guy was wasted and doesn't remember a thing either...)
Morning after regret is an abuse of the RAPE statutes. But it happens all the time. Somehow women can't be held responsible for their actions when they are inebriated by choice, but inebriated men are.
Imagine a world where WOMEN are prosecuted for RAPE for seducing men who are drunk.
I've been seduced when drunk. Girl just wouldn't fuck off so I gave her a few weak humps then let her do the rest. Which was difficult because I was the opposite of turned on.
Girls would call that rape, I call that me being a beta and not telling her to get the fuck away from me.
A lady who I know who is big time into the whole sexual assault scene is actually trying to get me to press charges against two women who did similar things to me. I’m not, because I don’t agree that I was raped, but I at least give her credit for being consistent, few liberals are.
uh yeah...y'all gotta stop fucking all of these unworthy and low quality girls. There's plenty of women out there that are actually deserving of the D and won't try to ruin your life because she regrets being a slut. Y'all HAVE to start being more selective.
Thankyou, um (checks) "tits_galore".
I'm dying
Sadly, this is not true. Decent women are not the norm these days.
I was like 21 or 22 and was just hanging with a girl who I thought was cool. Until we decided to hook up one night after some drinks and went crazy.
She was a hot redhead too. If she wasn't nuts and we were sober, or at least I didn't have too much to drink, it would have been some good booty.
Please refer to "The Crazy/Hot Matrix" for guidance and carry on with your life!
Drunk hookups are a bad idea & should be discouraged entirely, male or female.
Definitely. I was young and stupid, like a lot of kids.
But a nice meal and a bottle or two of wine plus some late night booty is mucho bueno.
Yes, I would too. Pussy
You fucking anti-reverse-misogynist!!
This is the same reason for the overwhelming majority of abortions.
This is why my advice to men is that the moment you find out a woman claims you raped her because she was drunk, if you had any alcohol yourself before having sex with her you go straight to the police (even if she hasn't) and report her as having raped (or 'serious sexual assault' in the UK) you.
That way you get the protections of a rape victim, you get the victim payout and if you get in first, your lawyers can argue that she's making a retaliatory claim to try and evade justice.
The law doesn't differentiate by gender and rape accusations are serious, so be pro-active in your defence.
The law might not differentiate on paper, but we all know how that would go in the real world
Usually men have far higher alcohol tolerance than women. In our civilization for a long time it has been understood that men ought to safeguard women, be that physical or moral safety. Now between feminism and artificial birth control and porn plenty of men and women are either utterly selfish or downright hostile to the opposite sex. It’s a sad state of affairs and may prove to be a crucial part of our imminent collapse. Delayed family formation, fewer children, a birth rate that only appears ok if you ignore who is actually having kids.
Unlikely to be a popular opinion, but try to hold yourselves to a higher standard than whatever the courts happen to like. Screwing a woman who is borderline pass out drunk you just met is not some satisfying encounter unless you’re on the Bill Cosby spectrum.
Way to completely absolve women of ANY responsibility and blame men for acting like an idiot. That is blatant sexism.
I agree that both men and women have to learn to respect themselves and others when it comes avoiding promiscuity and using good judgement before jumping in the sack. But blaming all the consequences on men is ridiculous.
This site is primarily men. I am saying to fellow men, hold yourself to a higher standard than the bare minimum of any given court. I am no saint. I also know firsthand that plenty of women are hardly virtuous maidens. I lost plenty by realizing too late just how vile some women can be. Looking back I wish I had been more of the risk adverse/prudish type. And traitor or not, a certain politician was wise to avoid being alone with women. They are usually better liars than men and they can screw you over even if you don’t screw them.
As for treating men and women differently, YES, cause they are different. We only make men sign up for the draft. We segregate sports. Etc.. What sort of deluded guy thinks it’s sexist to realize the sexes differ?
It's bizarre to me that a Christian pro life site has so many people having one night stands and random sex hookups!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6996829/Good-Samaritan-says-woman-accused-assaulting-fixing-car-up.html
👆She'd better be in prison. Bitches like that not only fuck up the innocent man but undermine genuine assault allegations.
Men will stop helping young females too.
No, they fuck up your entire culture. Your last statement is actually far worse than the first.
Society is built on certain levels of trust. Those are breaking down, parents don't let their kids just play anywhere in metropolitan areas, people stop giving to beggers, people stop picking up hitchhikers.
It's a slow breakdown of the bonds of civilization.
It's almost like multiculturalism isn't working.
wtf does that have to do with multiculti?
OP was talking about false accusations not fake hate crimes
Importing hordes of third world retards is destroying the trust in our society.
Absolutely correct and those have broken done tremendously.
The number of people within our groups of “us” has become much smaller while the sizes of the “they” groups has grown tremendously — part of the cause of all the conflict today and one of the reasons totalitarian governments are gaining speed — we have been isolated as a partial result of distrust
"Thing is, we’re humans. We’re tribal. More settled things are, the bigger your tribe is. All the people in your gang, or all the people in your country. All the ones on your planet. Then the churn comes, and the tribe gets small again."
--Amos Burton
we are at the tail end of the churn
Will take a look later this evening - what is it about
The explanation of where all of the world's problems stem from. The people Jesus Christ referenced as the Synagogue of Satan in Revelations 2:9 and 3:9. A further explanation to expand your thoughts on your original comment.
I pick up hitchhikers all the time. I know what it's like to walk home after work and I feel for them.
Know who I never offer a drive to? Women. I live in a college town and see lots of girls walk home. I'm sorry and I know these accusations aren't exactly super common, but I have too much to lose for some psycho bitch to read my plate after I drop her off and report me for something I didn't do.
Call me paranoid but you can be damn sure that would never happen with a guy hitchhiker. I'm also always carrying so I don't worry about assaults either.
Yeah, my issue with “believe all” crap is they brush off the statistic that 2-10% are false accusations. I pointed this out to someone who told me she’s talked to over 100 women who have been assaulted. “OK, which 10 were lying?” And her brain broke. I even made it simpler, “which 2?” I’m not some savage asshole, women get raped and we should punish those who are guilty. But the tenor of the conversation makes it such that you are right to be weary.
You know I could be wrong, but I think the 2-10% stat is misleading. It's 2-10% that they KNOW are fake. The majority of the cases can't be proven either way. I'm not sure what the expected number of false accusations are, but I believe it would be much higher than 2-10%.
Up to 50% are baseless or deliberately false.
Thanks, it's been awhile. I couldn't remember exactly, but I knew most of the feminists stats are B.S./misleading. That one especially grinds my gears!
Approach the subject from a different angle:
Fewer than 10% of men ever rape anybody. (Far fewer - well under 5%).
That means that for 90% of men, 100% of rape accusations are false.
Believe all except Tara Reade.
#BelieveAllDemocrats
That happened to a guy in Australia.
He helped a girl change a flat tire at a gas station and she falsely accused him.
Luckily the security camera footage exonerated him but he still spent some time in jail, lost his job, had his face plastered all over the media, got harassed by activists, etc.
oh yeah and his wife divorced him lmao. Disgusting that she believed a complete stranger over her own husband.
She was probably just looking for an excuse to leave.
No. It’s because women aren’t inherently loyal.
still shameful to stab a man in the back while he's being unjustly persecuted
Oh I remember that. Poor guy, he spent like two hours or something helping her, the ingrate. (It was the radiator apparently)
M2F trannies might though.........
Most are not passing as chix
We live in a world where the possibility of getting robbed or murdered by a man is more palpable than getting falsely accused by a woman. Honk honk.
Smart
She got 5 mos.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7339691/Woman-falsely-accused-Good-Samaritan-sexual-assault-jailed.html
I wonder why they arrested the guy before looking at the surveillance footage.
The story said she accused him of following her and stalking for her days after. Also claimed he pulled a "Gas/Grass/Ass...nobody rides for free" on her.
The article states she crumbled quickly under detective's interrogation.
I get the stalking part but what crime is committed by propositioning for sex?
Is that some Australian thing where men aren’t allowed to hit on women?
Look at the sit she accused him of in an older article, fucking hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6423631/Married-father-accused-indecently-assaulting-19-year-old-helping-fix-broken-car.html
Not really sympathetic to male or females who get blackout drunk. Choices have consequences and it's a bad message that one shouldn't be responsible for what happens when they're drunk. Everyone should understand the risks of getting blackout drunk more seriously. One can and will wake up to find out that they've done something to ruin their life.
Yeah, don't do it without friends you really trust around to protect you.
I agree, though I admittedly did have a couple blackout drunk times before I got my shit together and stopped being an asshole.
Remember the Stanford swimmer rape? The girl was 3 x the legal limit and the boy was 2 x. They both didn’t remember parts of the night. My college age niece and I went back and forth on this and I told her it bothers me A LOT that the accuser takes no responsibility whatsoever for the situation. She said the girl probably couldn’t “mentally handle” thinking she had a part in it.
WTF!?!?
Many women have been encouraged to believe that they are never at fault for anything and can always shift the blame on men, other women, anyone. Many men feed and enable this delusion by treating them like special flowers in an attempt to get into their pants. Feminists are certainly fine with the idea that all women must eat their cake and have it too. Our entire cultural lack of morals, pride and character shape these dynamics. Your niece probably struggled to get through the cognitive dissonance that might actually hold a woman accountable for her actions. There are many great women who don't act that way and all men would do good to seek them out exclusively. Unfortunately, there aren't currently enough of them to go around.
You’re probably right, she is a really smart young woman, works hard in school, makes good and responsible choices so it baffled me to hear her explanation.
I need to remember how soul-crushing it is when your beliefs start to crumble.
Doesn’t apply to white males.
Yeah its called Hindsight Rape. Hypothetically: A woman willingly got drunk & had consensual sex. But the sex was bad & awkward so the next day the woman decides in Hindsight she was Raped.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, you are correct.
The official average IQ of Somalis is 68: two points below the legal threshold for mental retardation.
I'm unsure what we can expect from Somalis beyond saying "Allahu akbar!" repeatedly.
Somalis are the jogger equivalent of joggers.
Uh oh, nobody tell anybody about Black Quantum Futurism/Afrofuturism.
"Uh, the fact that Africans don't have a word to describe the concept of time in their native languages is irrelevant, time is a fake construct because we say so and it proves that black people are more advanced than everybody else you racists!!!!"
We wiz bee kangz?
We finna be space emperors.
we wuz speece empururs
Frisbee?
Wait...what?? Native African languages don’t have a word for time?? Isn’t that even more basic of a concept than colors???
I did a very quick search about this. Didn’t see anything about African languages, but the Amondawa tribe in the Amazon lack a native concept of time. They don’t track years, or age, or things like that. They can learn it, though. The article I read mentioned how they’re becoming more and more likely to learn Portuguese, and don’t struggle with learning the concept of past, present, and future.
Science is racist!
Ironically, the fact that they don't have such a word tells a lot about the memetic evolution they didn't experience (compared to whites), and explains quite a bit of their behavior.
the spring breakers of joggers more like it heh
Why do you blame me for 50% of Somalis being retarded?
Perhaps I'm only responsible for all the retardation in Papua New Guinea?
Perhaps you're to blame for the Somali retardation?
Until you have a Somalian want to come steal your shit because they didn’t prepare. That’s when the fun begins though. Hope you have some pigs to take care of the garbage.
I don’t know why you think all is a psyop. It is fact that crime skyrockets the higher the black population is. Any area with over 20% black is almost unlivable unless you decide to ignore it. It’s easy for you to say this stuff living on a mountain when you don’t have to integrate.
I can't really get a read on you. Sometimes you seem like a normie and other times you go full Leftard. This is an example. You hate by saying others are being hateful when you disagree with them.
You're just a step away from Retard which are those seeking annihilation of everyone who dares to disagree with you.
ps I realize I just did the same thing.
If the user name is any indication he fried his brain with pot. Could explain the flip flops. I can smell the patchouli through the screen.
Who cares. This is bullshit anyway, any woman can yell rape and the guy is fucked without a trial...
that's why this bill is good overall
Concur
The United States is a 3rd World Country.
Change my mind.
Not yet. The end game of destruction of US will be to deport all white American women as sex slaves to 3rd world countries and breed you out of existence. Change my mind (impossible because I know for a fact this is the planned end game)
In the end, they will self-deport, to prove they aren’t racist.
being a sex slave is paying back all the years they enjoyed owning slaves, and making big bucks off cotton picking... oh wait, no one alive owned black cotton picking slaves.
I'd happily "employ" a couple of politicians to do the job though.
Politicians can't work.
lol touché
We've all seen it. We've all tried to rescue that one drunk friend and been told to fuck off (because those beer goggles aren't coming off) -- ok darlin', you own the night...and the next morning...knock yourself out.
yes it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the election got stolen! that happens in 3rd world vcountries
That’s really specific to be known as a “fact”. Of course they want to destroy strong western white nations, but exporting women as property to the 3rd world seems really unrealistic. I’m curious so how you know this as factual.
He's talking out of his ass. The US is too large for such a campaign, we are also very well armed. Both in the military and civilian population.
Those countries aren't exactly lacking sex slaves anyway. Given they fuck everything no matter how old, young, fat, skinny, beautiful, ugly, etc. Savages conquer us? Lol gimme a break.
I totally agree.
We have too many guns and too much land for there to be a successful campaign like you suggest.
The enemy would suffer too many losses in the process, I highly doubt it would benefit them to even try
Whites are already a minority on this planet. All they have to do is wait and keep up with their psyops. Easy.
So it would be fair to say women’s voting habits are destroying us. Remind me again why we are letting them vote?
I don't know about this one, man.
Read the article. The prosecutors used a law whose text says it was for people who administer drugs then rape the victim.
The court said that was the wrong law and go have a retrial.
The bill is right, the thing is this bill wouldn't even needed if such things wouldn't occur regularly in the US.
I'm pretty sure rape isn't just happening in the US.
Rape has been going on since we lived in caves.
The importance is on the regularity. The bill is needed to improve the law, therefore prevent more of these actions to be taken, which is becoming a new norm in the US it seems.
how would this support that?
THIS IS A HUGE WIN. NOW MAKE IT SO WHEN WOMEN FALSELY ACCUSE A MAN OF RAPE SHE MUST REGISTER AS A SEX OFFENDER!
Her body, her choice!
I agree, false accusers need to be held accountable for the damage they cause!
He is not guilty of a specific type of rape where you BOTH drug them and rape them. He is still guilty of rape, just not drugging her also which gets you a more hefty sentence.
How do you know he is guilty? She claims to have passed out. But is that claim true? I don't know. If she didn't pass out and both were drunk I don't see why that is rape.
Because he was found guilty by a jury of his peers, the prosecutor just charged him with a type of rape that requires you to also be guilty of drugging the bitch first. Which he did not do.
That is insufficient. I doubt he was well represented and the jury was probably rigged by the Voir Dire process where his peers are excluded and replaced by leftards.
I'm not defending him or saying he isn't guilty. But a jury can be wrong too and believe a lying woman. And If you really believe she is the victim here, why are you caller her a bitch? Can't have it both ways.
This is true, it's actually a good thing. I stand by stickying, although headline only people will take it the wrong way.
Because the media is full of shit and not to be trusted. They lie with their headlines more times than not.
Exactly, this is bullshit fake news.
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion without more evidence. A drunk girl having sex isn't usually RAPE. Passing out and not recalling what you did before passing out is a common side effect of excessive alcohol consumption.
So is regretting what you do remember and claiming your god given right to victim-hood.
I came to this conclusion because a jury of his peers unanimously came to that conclusion after reviewing all the evidence. And that's how our justice system works.
A jury of people where the prosecution used all of their chits to exclude those who might be favorable to the defendant, and whom the defense used all of their chits to exclude anyone who might be hostile to the defendant. IOW - a jury NOT of the defendants peers.
A jury of people who didn't find an excuse to get out of jury duty (how many times do you think celebrities or CEOs serve on juries?)
A jury of people who are fine with making less than minimum wage for anywhere from a few days to a week of work.
Reviewing the evidence they were allowed to see/hear you mean.
In other words a shitty jury. This doesn't mean the crappy jury is any better for the prosecution or the defense.
If we had a jury system where jurors were allowed to ask their own questions of witnesses, and where jurors were randomly selected and qualified before they were assigned to a trial, and where only rare exemptions were allowed and where the government paid their normal wages, then I'd have more faith in the verdicts being just.
As for drunken fornication - if there were a sizable number of women being charged with rape when both the man and woman were drunk, then I'd have more faith in the system.
24/7 bodycams for everyone, everywhere is what we are going to end up with.
This is actually a good thing. You do realize how many good men are behind bars right now because a girl got drunk and hooked up with them at the bar and said "fuck I shouldn't have done that" the next morning?
This is why it's stickied. I forgot some people only read the headline and the title also makes it worse
The DA assigned the wrong charge, under the law. This is what happens. Can we please move away from blatant clickbait headlines?
Please read the article before you get worked up or something.
The supreme court actually does it's job, despite the morals of it all, the law in question doesn't include having sex with someone who is passed out from intoxication.
A bill is on the way that includes it (Haven't looked into the bill)
yes she could have taken in less alcohol.
I am ok with this to a lesser extent. In a few cases a man and a woman go out drinking. they go back to the dorm and have sex. Next day her boyfriend witnesses her walk of shame. Turns it into rape which in some area's requires the woman to be sober enough to consent. The man equally as intoxicated cant claim is was too intoxicated to consent and will be at min kicked out of school. Now this guy was a piece of shit and it was likely the worst type of rape. But like red flag laws it will end bad. Lastly if you go home with man you met in a bar, you need to know that what that means.
I would never drink more than a beer (pint) in public. I do my drinking at home.
Guys life lesson, and to the younger guys in here, don't even be alone with a woman if she's been drinking, be smart if she's sauced pass.
So the argument is there should be 3 different levels:
So the person got convicted for number 3 but the argument is he should be convicted for number 2 but number 2 doesn't exist as a law so they can only convict for number 1 if you can't convict for number 3. So, the feeling is that number 1 has too light of a sentence associated with it and number 3 is too harsh.
Am I understanding this right?
sounds like you got it
This has nothing to do with Somalia and more to do with women not being able to destroy a man for life because she regrets getting drunk and WILLINGLY going home with him for a one night stand.
Raise an eyebrow for who exactly? Do you think Batman is waiting in the shadows to help? These women have to be responsible for themselves and their own safety.
Should we have bars force women to take a breathalyzer before they leave to make sure they don't go out and do anything foolish? Maybe we should just ban women from drinking altogether?
Get drunk around the wrong crowd and you might wake up with some sore spots. Trust your better judgment, lady pedes.
Feminism got the woman raped.
Why is she walking home unattended. Why was she even drinking?
This.
Feminism did not get her raped.
It made her stupid enough to erase common sense that would have allowed her to avoid dangerous situations instead of being in denial that there are dangerous situations that need avoiding.
It's like a pedestrian crossing a freeway. Crossing a freeway doesn't get you hit by a car, but it makes your CHANCES of getting hit by a car much much greater. Therefore, common sense tells you to avoid crossing freeways and be extremely careful if you must.
Soldiers call it situational awareness. Feminism is situational obliviousness.
"Feminism is situational obliviousness."
Precisely
I've been drunk by my own accord and not once would I have accepted forced dick in my ass.
How are the two even related in the minds of these absolute fucktards?
Being Drunk is not a license to RAPE nor is it a license to claim RAPE. But the latter is far more common than the former and the victims of morning after regret are almost universally male and have their lives ruined.
All the more reason not to fuck around without building some form of relationship. I'm not saying it's ok on any level, but if that's how women want to act then they can't have the D.
Men should fantasize less about sex and be more MGTOW and/or rely on Christianity. It would solve A LOT of problems if no men would simp.
My bet is if the victim would have been related to any judge, the conviction would have reamibned.
Just got another 30 days in Facebook jail on my fake account for mentioning the average IQ of Somalia.
The joys of Minnecrapolis.
North and South Dakota already have a rough time with those dipshits crossing over the border and treating them like pressure valves to their home domain's bullcrap, imagine when they want to move for real.
Text of the statute is quite clear. Lower courts failed in this case.
This is a good thing, but the problem here now is the higher court has allowed a retrial, that part is bullshit, what ever happened to double jeopardy, they tried him on a felony and it was wrong to do, and now they want to convict him on a lesser charge cause they didn't get a conviction the first go around. This country if FUCKED UP, My question is where Is HUNTER
So rape is ok if the girl drinks...
It was clearly not a RAPE RAPE because, you know... the thing.
If you aren’t planning on getting NAKED do NOT go back to a guys apt/into a frat room etc... I learned the hard way not to even kiss a guy alone in a room unless you are ready to get down n dirty! Once you start getting someone turned on they may not want to stop especially if u are both drunk or impaired on drugs! I’m not saying anyone deserves to be assaulted but you must think before you act always!
WTF? The wording of this post implies this is somehow bad? Are you fucking kidding me? These requires women to take responsibility for their own actions instead of placing a man's innocent or guilt at her feet for her to decide purely based on whether she regrets the experience or not even months after the fact.
Rape culture in the US has turned innocent until proven guilt on its head. The Minnesota Supreme Court ruling rights this wrong.
By contrast, California's "Yes Means Yes" criminalizes sex if any alcohol is involved, but always it will be the man in the encounter that is the criminal, never the woman no matter how drunk she got herself or how insistent she was to have sex. If the next day she files a criminal complaint just the fact that she was drunk guarantees a conviction.
You honor, it was not my fault that I was I arrested for DWI, I was drunk.
Kind of sounds like something is missing regarding the details. They portray it as if he waited until she was unconscious and he then raped her, but I suspect it may have been more of a "he had sex with me when I was blacked out." The prosecutor may have legit over reached
If you are gonna post something, please give out the paywall free URL!
Preparation for when they insert their (synthetic) DNA in you without your consent. "They were asking for it, wearing those provocative masks." ..."If you ever want to get on a plane again, you're going to take this prick, and maybe even a second time... for you 'fellers I like it when you squeal..."
THIS woman is not stupid enough to be in public drunk off her ass without the help of friends so that someone could not take advantage of the situation!!
Prosecutors fucked up, intentionally or no. Why else charge someone under a statute that didn’t strictly apply?
The moment a state or government bows down to 3rd world (immigrant) laws, everything will be lost.
Immigrants must abide by the laws of the country they invade.
ok, will she stop voting for democrats tho?
I'm actually quite surprised, it's Minnesota after all. They're usually chomping at the bit to #metoo anyone with a penis. Regardless of who decided "white girl wasted" would happen. They'll get him on the lesser charges, I'm sure. Also, dude is black - that's a huge plus in Minnesota. Unbelievable this happened in 2017.
So let me get this right Democrats say that there is a rape culture. Has a Democrat judge that rules it's not rape if the victim is drunk. Hmm am i missing something?
Its like I always say. Sex never occurs enough. So a dude should never ever say no to sex unless its an extreme emergency reason. A woman is drunk, well I have the best test for that. Lay down on your back and without any assistance, if she can mount my huge stallion of a cock, obviously she's not too drunk, thus consent.
“Victims who are intoxicated to the degree that they are unable to give consent are entitled to justice. Our laws must clearly reflect that understanding, and today’s Supreme Court ruling highlights the urgency lawmakers have to close this and other loopholes throughout our (criminal sexual conduct) law,” she said. IT WAS RAPE THAT"S HOW!! How am I a better lawyer than the prosecutor and know WHY this is STILL Felony Rape!? The DOJ Definition of Rape since January 6th 2012 IS - “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” Without the Consent of the Victim.... My, my, my, now I do believe according to the above mentioned quotation and from what I extrapolated from the article) she was just that, TOO GOD DAMN DRUNK TO GIVE CONSENT! That is the literal Definition of what the HONK Rape IS!! Why is this Rep trying to amend laws? Whoever prosecuted this case is a Fuggin Half Tard..... or they are trying to make habbening the Uh-Oh Racial Tensions.
“She was asking for it” is now settled law. Unbelievable
This is a terrible misinterpretation. She willingly went home with the guy.