"... Giving offense is a viewpoint. The “public expression of ideas may not be prohibited merely because the ideas are themselves offensive to some of their hearers.” Street v. New York, 394 U. S. 576 . Pp. 20–23."
U.S. Supreme Court, Matal v. Tam, 582 U.S. ___ (2017)
I had something similar to this that was total nonsense that I won, but not after tens of thousands of dollars. You know what it cost them? To fill out a half page form.
Good. The 1st Amendment is supposed to protect you against a forced compulsion to speak something you do not agree with. I’m sure John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Barrett, and Neil Gorsuch will rule otherwise.
I hope you’re right, but I don’t know. This could be too much of an enticing Federal Question for them to say no. Considering Gorsuch retroactively considered trannies as a protected class under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Texas had no standing to sue under Article III, I would put zero past this ridiculous SCOTUS and their application of the Constitution.
This'll go there. It's a 1st Amendment issue, and not going there leaves the door open for other courts to overturn or dismiss, on appeal. Which will happen anyway, the administration has deep pockets to take it to the Surpremes. If you read the complaint, they're dead serious about forcing people to engage in tranny's mental illness.
No, this suit was brought against the school by the professor. They're not testing anything, they're claiming their school policies override the 1st Amendment as a defense, and disciplined him. This is an important ruling because the court told the school to go pound sand.
I mean test, as in a chance to gauge the reaction. If there is no positive reaction to the ruling, or there is on overwhelmingly negative one, from the left, then the judge of the next case is that much more likely to give the expected result. Compelled speech is coming, in waves. It’s probably going to start in some shithole, like Hawaii.
I don’t know. I want to clarify, this particular case is shut. However, I fully expect cases like this to keep on coming down the pipe. Over and over, in different districts. Eventually, one judge will rule in favor of compelled speech, but that will be overturned, on appeal. Rinse and repeat, until this makes it up to the Supreme Court. By the time that happens, in several years, we’ll have around 10 extra Biden appointees, and they will unanimously rule in favor of compelled speech.
This. They never accept failure. Soviet Union collapsed? That's not real Communism. Rinse and repeat. It's why we can't stay on defense. We need to make them spend their energy on defense.
" Take Bill C-16, which amended Canada’s Human Rights Law in 2017 to include gender identity and first rocketed Peterson to fame. The primary purpose of the act was to protect trans people from discrimination in areas such as housing. The word “pronoun” doesn’t appear anywhere in the text of the statute, and the Canadian Bar Association weighed in to say that the idea the amendment would “force individuals to embrace concepts, even use pronouns, which they find objectionable” was based on a basic “misunderstanding” of how human rights legislation works.
Nevertheless, (Jordan) Peterson was utterly convinced that C-16 was a totalitarian “compelled speech” bill and made a name for himself outside of Canada for his strident denunciations. C-16 has been on the books for a few years now, and no one has been charged with a Pronoun Crime. But neither Peterson nor his supporters seem to have considered the possibility that they might have misunderstood the law.
Went pretty quickly from, "we just want to get married " to "suck trans cock or you're a phobe" in just a couple years too.
Why did this even make it to the appeals court? The fact that the lower courts thought it was OK to compel speech means there's some retards on the bench
One day, a male student approached Dr. Meriwether after class, informed him that he identified as transgender, and demanded that Dr. Meriwether refer to him as a woman, with feminine titles and pronouns. When Dr. Meriwether did not immediately agree, the student became aggressive, physically circling him, getting in his face, using expletives, and even threatening to get Dr. Meriwether fired.
Getting really fucking tired of this nonsense.
This decision will hopefully be used to shut down the sue-crazy lunatics who do this nonsense in the workplace. And shut the HR demons the hell up.
The student never touched him - sadly. But verbal assault, yes. Read the filing, I linked it in another post. The "Doe" in the dress was and is a complete shitbag - even finished the class and got a good grade, but the admin took up the cause and punished the professor.
The Doe is an asshole, clearly. But the administrators at that school are significantly bigger assholes.
Threatening someone aggressively and invading their space while screaming obscenities is easily assault. Assault does not just include physical contact.
SCOTUS has consistently and unanimously upheld that speech cannot be compelled, since the case involving trying to force students to recite our pledge of allegiance. The reason for that is that the law does not differentiate between speech and belief, this you are not obligated to say thing which you disbelieve. If you don't believe in transgenderism, or that there a zillion genders (based on logic, science, or faith), you cannot be forced to acknowledge it by acquiescing to preferred pronouns.
According to a Texas lawyer who has written specifically on the issue of enforced pronoun or gender recognition, federal law applies (the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and overrides state laws which are in conflict with it), as there is a First Amendment right at issue concerning the matter of enforced gender recognition:
"Requiring people to voice beliefs that they do not hold, or even understand, is a flagrant and unacceptable violation of the freedom of speech. In one of the rare areas of agreement in constitutional law, the Supreme Court has consistently held that requiring people to express certain ideas is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court’s seminal pronouncement on the doctrine of compelled speech involved a student who practiced the Jehovah’s Witness faith. He was disciplined for refusing to salute the American flag and recite the pledge of allegiance.
In West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, the court ruled that this state action violated the First Amendment. 'If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation,' wrote Justice Robert Jackson, 'it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.' The Supreme Court has consistently and unanimously reaffirmed Barnette. In Wooley v. Maynard, the justices found that a resident of New Hampshire could not be forced to display a license plate on his car that said 'Live Free or Die.' In Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Group of Boston, the court held that parade organizers could not be forced to allow an LGBT group to march in the St. Patrick’s Day parade.
These precedents demonstrate that the government cannot compel the expression of ideas that a speaker may not hold. Students who did not agree with saluting or pledging allegiance to the flag could not be compelled to do so. It was not enough to tell someone 'recite the pledge, but don’t believe it.' Our law does not recognize a distinction between the speech and the thought behind it."
So if free speech protects the professor's rights to speak consistently with his beliefs, it should also do so for the students. So If I use "gendered" or "outdated" language like mankind or Oriental in a paper or if I decide to capitalize White or leave black lowercase, then the professor as an agent of the school can criticize that in his comments but can't deduct points from my grade, right? After all, the Bill of Rights trumps the academic style guide.
At this point, we have to create leftists echo chambers by refusing to deal with this bullshit and creating our own. This Prof. should never want to work somewhere he is not wanted, even if he is right.
You know how I've commented, repeatedly, about how the left out-organizes the right all the time?
The ADF here is a great example of the right starting to use lefty tactics against the left. We need a dozen more groups just like them picking up random cases like this and making the left pay in resources for every social, cultural, and legal gain. (Or, hope of hopes, undoing some of their crap.)
Salaries of some of the Board of Trustees. Remeber, each of these people get their money by selling their students into decades of literal indentured servitude called "unbankruptable student loans".
Not only do the suck suck suck the future prosperity and chance to start familes and have children from their students lives, they also sail off into early retirements with gold plated medical and dental and a second house on the lake.
Salaries of Shawnee Statte University Trustees found online:
Dr. Jeffrey Bauer $147,208
Eric Braun $145,000
Elinda Boyles $158,000
I am sure that's the low end of things there.
Universities breed orcs and send them out into our world soley because student loans are unbankruptable. Without that, they would not have the power to raise tutition 8% a year for 30 years.
The bankruptability of student loans is the One Ring that has the power to implode all of Mordor all at once.
I do not think it is an accident that this man couched his defense in religious terms. The Left has been disguising their hateful agenda as "anti-racist" so they can get the courts on their side under the civil rights act. In an environment where freedom of speech has been struck down in the name of appeasing bigots, we need a secondary legal shield until our constitutional rights can be restored.
I’ll end this right quick. Just play along. I will be referred to as his majesty or I will file complaints against anyone who won’t do it. Play stupid games....
What is fucked up about this is the only reason the court decided this way is because it was based on his religious beliefs. If the professor had argued that he would not use preferred pronoun simply because he did not want to he would legally lose.
Well, my preferred pronouns are (Joggerlover/Joggerbaby). Well, without the jogger part, but it's strange how even the most militant of blue haired fat "women" won't use my preferred pronouns. Damnit, it's my GENDER! and it reflects how I love, and feel like the descendant of the jogger race.
It'sMaam, he probably shouted as he was "circling" the professor, using profanities, and acting aggressively
Also, I loved the prof's solution: to call him by his name instead of using a pronoun lol. That wasn't good enough for the confused student, and actually got him into more trouble with woke administration.
Never use any pronouns to refer to these people. Just use their full name. You will end up with awkward sentences, but they will be grammatically correct sentences. Plus you won't be reaffirming radical leftist idiocy.
If students these days are told they are wrong, or challenged in any way, especially by a resilient Professor such as this one they might end up hanging themselves. The brainwashing has been so complete this young generation is completely crippled mentally, and emotionally unable to process a logical challenge to their radical world views..
Happy Jordan Peterson noises
"... Giving offense is a viewpoint. The “public expression of ideas may not be prohibited merely because the ideas are themselves offensive to some of their hearers.” Street v. New York, 394 U. S. 576 . Pp. 20–23."
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/582/15-1293/
That' just until we seize total power.
Yes.
Yes.
I don't want to say that Jordan Peterson is a Racist, but I heard that he once gestured "Ok".👌
Honestly was expecting it to be about him and then I realized he’s a Canadian
the snakes recoil, and the lobsters clack their claws
Have you seen that guy lately? His happy noises likely sound like the screech of death itself.
Get well Mr. Peterson, I am not sure what my YouTube recommend algorithm would do without you...
The fact this is even a court case is sad.
Gen Z thought they were going to "shake up the system" and become nazis in the process. Nazi pass denied.
Gen z can suck my d
woah hey now not all of us are down with the globohomo
I had something similar to this that was total nonsense that I won, but not after tens of thousands of dollars. You know what it cost them? To fill out a half page form.
Yeah, that's ridiculous, they deserve death.
Was it a bullshit fair housing complaint or ADA violation? Those are set up to fuck the property or business owners from the outset.
Good. The 1st Amendment is supposed to protect you against a forced compulsion to speak something you do not agree with. I’m sure John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Barrett, and Neil Gorsuch will rule otherwise.
I'm guessing Supreme Court doesn't take the case, college might not even appeal.
I hope you’re right, but I don’t know. This could be too much of an enticing Federal Question for them to say no. Considering Gorsuch retroactively considered trannies as a protected class under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Texas had no standing to sue under Article III, I would put zero past this ridiculous SCOTUS and their application of the Constitution.
The college would have to appeal to the Supreme Court. I don't think they will, that would be expensive.
Costs the college nothing. They'll get plenty of libtard donations.
They got billions locked away
Agreed. They would have to apply for a writ of certiorari, but it would be a major L if they didn’t at least file for a writ of cert.
This'll go there. It's a 1st Amendment issue, and not going there leaves the door open for other courts to overturn or dismiss, on appeal. Which will happen anyway, the administration has deep pockets to take it to the Surpremes. If you read the complaint, they're dead serious about forcing people to engage in tranny's mental illness.
https://adflegal.org/sites/default/files/2020-05/Meriwether%20v.%20The%20Trustees%20of%20Shawnee%20State%20University%20-%20Complaint.pdf
The part that really kills me is the freak in a dress is never named.
"I'll call you 41%, how's that?"
"Okay, I'll meet you in the middle. 59%. I'll be affirmative and positive about your outlook!"
They’re testing the waters. Once they’re confident that there will be no backlash, judges will rule in favor of compelled speech.
No, this suit was brought against the school by the professor. They're not testing anything, they're claiming their school policies override the 1st Amendment as a defense, and disciplined him. This is an important ruling because the court told the school to go pound sand.
I mean test, as in a chance to gauge the reaction. If there is no positive reaction to the ruling, or there is on overwhelmingly negative one, from the left, then the judge of the next case is that much more likely to give the expected result. Compelled speech is coming, in waves. It’s probably going to start in some shithole, like Hawaii.
This is the ruling on appeal. What's "the next Judge?"
I don’t know. I want to clarify, this particular case is shut. However, I fully expect cases like this to keep on coming down the pipe. Over and over, in different districts. Eventually, one judge will rule in favor of compelled speech, but that will be overturned, on appeal. Rinse and repeat, until this makes it up to the Supreme Court. By the time that happens, in several years, we’ll have around 10 extra Biden appointees, and they will unanimously rule in favor of compelled speech.
Gotcha. I fear you are right.
This. They never accept failure. Soviet Union collapsed? That's not real Communism. Rinse and repeat. It's why we can't stay on defense. We need to make them spend their energy on defense.
Eh. It's a bit specious - maybe they're doing that, as a side effect of the case, but guaranteed they're spitting nails over the decision.
I think the student complained and the college caved. If anything it should've disciplined the student for the way he acted.
My favorite part is the way all trannies (including this one) get violent when you say "he".
With a paddle. With holes drilled in it, for aerodynamics.
That’s the reason the 2nd amendment is right after the 1st.
The student has since dropped the case due to suicide.
Good, that is so retarded.
That's two legal victories we've had in the last couple of days. The other one was the ban on bump stocks being repealed.
Yeah. Which court was it that struck down the bump stock ban? The free speech case this thread is about is 6th circuit.
I think the 6th circuit was also the one that struck down the bump stock ban. Not 100% certain though.
Yes, it turns out it is!
That's only repealed in their jurisdiction, right?
Repeal red flag laws!
GOA all the way
In the meantime we have a father in CANADA who is in jail because he insists on calling his daughter a girl even though she's transitioning to a boy.
A father cannot call his own biological daughter his daughter !!
Exactly what we were told would never happen in Canada.
cited from: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/4/jordan-peterson-capitalism-postmodernism-ideology
" Take Bill C-16, which amended Canada’s Human Rights Law in 2017 to include gender identity and first rocketed Peterson to fame. The primary purpose of the act was to protect trans people from discrimination in areas such as housing. The word “pronoun” doesn’t appear anywhere in the text of the statute, and the Canadian Bar Association weighed in to say that the idea the amendment would “force individuals to embrace concepts, even use pronouns, which they find objectionable” was based on a basic “misunderstanding” of how human rights legislation works.
Nevertheless, (Jordan) Peterson was utterly convinced that C-16 was a totalitarian “compelled speech” bill and made a name for himself outside of Canada for his strident denunciations. C-16 has been on the books for a few years now, and no one has been charged with a Pronoun Crime. But neither Peterson nor his supporters seem to have considered the possibility that they might have misunderstood the law.
Went pretty quickly from, "we just want to get married " to "suck trans cock or you're a phobe" in just a couple years too.
Better pay attention. Life moves fast.
Students will be addressed as faggots and sissies
Why did this even make it to the appeals court? The fact that the lower courts thought it was OK to compel speech means there's some retards on the bench
Suicide rate is now 100%.
“I support anyone’s right to be who they want to be. My question is: to what extent do I have to participate in your self-image?” – Dave Chappelle
Dave isn't a full ally, but he gets it on more than a few things.
Liberals think he's the best so it's good to use this quote on them.
Getting really fucking tired of this nonsense.
This decision will hopefully be used to shut down the sue-crazy lunatics who do this nonsense in the workplace. And shut the HR demons the hell up.
That’s called assault.
The student never touched him - sadly. But verbal assault, yes. Read the filing, I linked it in another post. The "Doe" in the dress was and is a complete shitbag - even finished the class and got a good grade, but the admin took up the cause and punished the professor.
The Doe is an asshole, clearly. But the administrators at that school are significantly bigger assholes.
Threatening someone aggressively and invading their space while screaming obscenities is easily assault. Assault does not just include physical contact.
They'd be talking about hate crimes if anyobe hit it.
Playing the victim it strikes out at you.
Ironic, they are the ones full of hate.
assault does not require physical contact in any state.
Not if its by a trans person. He felt attacked. Next this will not stop its only getting worse. People stand now or its over in a couple years.
Is this bitch named Rapinoe by any chance?
My preferred pronouns for the "theys" are: this/these thing/s and that/those thing/s.
thems things
How about gross demented disgrace?
But but but I want some blue haired lesbian gender studies bitch to call me patriarch!
Wrong site for that one.
I hate when articles peter out...
This makes me want to watch Duecr Bigalow Male Gigalow for some reason.
My preferred pronoun to use is 'hey, fuckhead'
Will all the retards with preferred pronouns raise your hand: You are now retards.
SCOTUS has consistently and unanimously upheld that speech cannot be compelled, since the case involving trying to force students to recite our pledge of allegiance. The reason for that is that the law does not differentiate between speech and belief, this you are not obligated to say thing which you disbelieve. If you don't believe in transgenderism, or that there a zillion genders (based on logic, science, or faith), you cannot be forced to acknowledge it by acquiescing to preferred pronouns.
Make it so, number one!
According to a Texas lawyer who has written specifically on the issue of enforced pronoun or gender recognition, federal law applies (the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and overrides state laws which are in conflict with it), as there is a First Amendment right at issue concerning the matter of enforced gender recognition:
"Requiring people to voice beliefs that they do not hold, or even understand, is a flagrant and unacceptable violation of the freedom of speech. In one of the rare areas of agreement in constitutional law, the Supreme Court has consistently held that requiring people to express certain ideas is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court’s seminal pronouncement on the doctrine of compelled speech involved a student who practiced the Jehovah’s Witness faith. He was disciplined for refusing to salute the American flag and recite the pledge of allegiance.
In West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, the court ruled that this state action violated the First Amendment. 'If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation,' wrote Justice Robert Jackson, 'it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.' The Supreme Court has consistently and unanimously reaffirmed Barnette. In Wooley v. Maynard, the justices found that a resident of New Hampshire could not be forced to display a license plate on his car that said 'Live Free or Die.' In Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Group of Boston, the court held that parade organizers could not be forced to allow an LGBT group to march in the St. Patrick’s Day parade.
These precedents demonstrate that the government cannot compel the expression of ideas that a speaker may not hold. Students who did not agree with saluting or pledging allegiance to the flag could not be compelled to do so. It was not enough to tell someone 'recite the pledge, but don’t believe it.' Our law does not recognize a distinction between the speech and the thought behind it."
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/06/16/the-government-cant-make-you-use-zhir-or-ze-in-place-of-she-and-he/?utm_term=.86ddd5433abd)
(Yay, sci-fi geek! I named my cat Q...)
So if free speech protects the professor's rights to speak consistently with his beliefs, it should also do so for the students. So If I use "gendered" or "outdated" language like mankind or Oriental in a paper or if I decide to capitalize White or leave black lowercase, then the professor as an agent of the school can criticize that in his comments but can't deduct points from my grade, right? After all, the Bill of Rights trumps the academic style guide.
That's not how this works.
WHOPPEEEE>>>>TWO SCOOPS> TWO GENDERS>>>>CALL ME anything you want just don't call me late for dinner
So, based prof is now a wealthier man, but will be a target of the mob for life.
The university is now poorer, but the school's admins won't face any repercussions.
Tuition for other students will go up to pay for this.
And Tranny a$$hole faces no consequences until the Law of 41 catches up to it.
We don't see Prof got any payout.
my preferred gender pronoun is "President Trump won by a lot". If they won't call me that, then they're Trumpophobic.
Ha ha ha.
Fuck you xir
At this point, we have to create leftists echo chambers by refusing to deal with this bullshit and creating our own. This Prof. should never want to work somewhere he is not wanted, even if he is right.
He most likely still calls Trump "Devisive"
You know how I've commented, repeatedly, about how the left out-organizes the right all the time?
The ADF here is a great example of the right starting to use lefty tactics against the left. We need a dozen more groups just like them picking up random cases like this and making the left pay in resources for every social, cultural, and legal gain. (Or, hope of hopes, undoing some of their crap.)
Separation of church and state must also apply to these degenerate pedo apologist freaks.
He or she works for me anything other then that does not.
JBP permeates the ether
I guarantee the Prof will be receiving a visit from some Biden voters. After losing his job of course
Salaries of some of the Board of Trustees. Remeber, each of these people get their money by selling their students into decades of literal indentured servitude called "unbankruptable student loans".
Not only do the suck suck suck the future prosperity and chance to start familes and have children from their students lives, they also sail off into early retirements with gold plated medical and dental and a second house on the lake.
Salaries of Shawnee Statte University Trustees found online:
Dr. Jeffrey Bauer $147,208
Eric Braun $145,000
Elinda Boyles $158,000
I am sure that's the low end of things there.
Universities breed orcs and send them out into our world soley because student loans are unbankruptable. Without that, they would not have the power to raise tutition 8% a year for 30 years.
The bankruptability of student loans is the One Ring that has the power to implode all of Mordor all at once.
Zu veil uze zee pronoun vee say you veil. Or else!
"Or else:" those terms are acceptable.
If someone says their pronoun is bootylicious, do tptb make you say it?
https://youtu.be/koUrnvV40YE
Oh man they should try doing this to the army drill instructors too.
I do not think it is an accident that this man couched his defense in religious terms. The Left has been disguising their hateful agenda as "anti-racist" so they can get the courts on their side under the civil rights act. In an environment where freedom of speech has been struck down in the name of appeasing bigots, we need a secondary legal shield until our constitutional rights can be restored.
Be religious.
I’ll end this right quick. Just play along. I will be referred to as his majesty or I will file complaints against anyone who won’t do it. Play stupid games....
What is fucked up about this is the only reason the court decided this way is because it was based on his religious beliefs. If the professor had argued that he would not use preferred pronoun simply because he did not want to he would legally lose.
You can’t compel speech!
Well, my preferred pronouns are (Joggerlover/Joggerbaby). Well, without the jogger part, but it's strange how even the most militant of blue haired fat "women" won't use my preferred pronouns. Damnit, it's my GENDER! and it reflects how I love, and feel like the descendant of the jogger race.
Glad we had to go to fucking court for something this simple.
And neither can we, sorry.
minds blown. kek.
It's Maam, he probably shouted as he was "circling" the professor, using profanities, and acting aggressively
Also, I loved the prof's solution: to call him by his name instead of using a pronoun lol. That wasn't good enough for the confused student, and actually got him into more trouble with woke administration.
Never use any pronouns to refer to these people. Just use their full name. You will end up with awkward sentences, but they will be grammatically correct sentences. Plus you won't be reaffirming radical leftist idiocy.
If students these days are told they are wrong, or challenged in any way, especially by a resilient Professor such as this one they might end up hanging themselves. The brainwashing has been so complete this young generation is completely crippled mentally, and emotionally unable to process a logical challenge to their radical world views..