How do you find conservatives who are looking to start families? This is gonna be a long one but please bear with me. It's worth it.
I think this question is probably the single most important question we can ask ourselves because it's something we can directly find the answer to in our own day-to-day lives. And with the advice of the more experienced men and women on here i think this question would be a lot easier for young people to answer.
I think it's tragic that so many have to come to the internet to learn these lessons... our parents have failed in so many ways.... but young women and men on here can learn so much from the older women and men. So I think we should put a lot more time and effort into this discussion. And I'm going to start doing my part to push this message as hard as I can.
We can't change the tax rate. If they start taxing us for every mile then there is no way for us to change it today, or even next week. We can't change the fact that our given state used dominion voting machines and stole our votes. We can't change the fact that border detention facilities are at 800% capacity. We can't force leftists to pay attention to the foundation of these problems. We have absolutely no control over the price of gas. We cannot affect the culture of moral virtue signaling within the corporate ecosystem. We cannot quell the tide of wokeness within the upper hierarchy of most western religions.
But we CAN choose who we marry. And we can choose how we raise the next generation. WOMEN! You CAN decide the kind of man that will provide for you and your babies. MEN! You CAN decide who will raise and teach your children to be strong men and nurturing women themselves. And I think that's infinitely more important than all those things combined.
In today's world there is a seemingly insurmountable number of obstacles in the way of finding a partner who wants to start a family.
This problem is even harder for young men than for young women, simply because young women are so valued for simply being.. that men will throw themselves at you until you find a suitable man.
So I'll start with men... I'll get to the issues faced by women, I promise, because they are equally critical.
90% of girls I meet these days want to go to college straight out of highschool. There they will be completely surrounded and immersed in woke propaganda. They will be inundated with hookup culture for up to 8 years of the most energetic and fertile part of their lives. Then they want to engage in building up a career for themselves. Where they could easily spend the rest of their fertile years selling themselves to a corporation before they even realize they don't want to die without a family.
I've never met a girl for as long as I've been seriously dating who simply wants to make a home and build a family. Not one.
Even going to church half of the girls I meet have spent time on tinder giving their bodies to men who will look for another date before they've even left the bed.
That is how pervasive hookup culture has become. Ive met girls who consider themselves chaste and virtuous because they've only had sex with 4 men... THIS YEAR.
When I get news like that from a date I always politely say, "we can finish our meal here and have a good night, but this isn't going to work out between us" I usually get scolded, I am often met with rage. I get told "if you couldn't handle and honest answer about my sex life why the fuck did you ask?" "Pathetic little boys like you can't handle it when women are in tune with their sexuality" "And if I had just told you I'm a virgin you would have fucked me tonight"
I don't care what you do with your vagina. You aren't my wife. I can handle it, I just don't believe you can handle commitment. And I definitely wouldn't be fucking you after a 3rd date. A. That's nasty. B. No virgin without some serious trauma in the past is giving it up to a guy who took them out a couple times.
I don't believe that sex before marriage is necessarily a terrible thing. But you should at the very least be in a serious relationship before you start exploring each others sexuality to know if it can work for the rest of your lives.
And I've met dozens of women who see nothing wrong with an absolute inability to commit to any man because she has had too many partners to count. Women who find it easier to find someone to have sex with than to rub one out when they really need it.
I'm 23 years old and I know I have a long time left to go to find a wife who wants what I want of her. To raise our children, to be provided for, to never have to worry about a job, coworkers, putting on a uniform every day, and selling her time to a corporation until her feet hurt and she comes home exhausted so she can't handle our children and resentful without even knowing it because I'm not providing enough that we can make it on our own.
I'm not extremely worried about the time frame i have to find the partner I want.
My problem is that I can't seem to find a place where ladies exist. I don't mean girls or women. I mean ladies. I mean patient, mild mannered, kind and caring, polite, good humored, and clean in both body and soul. I mean the classical old world phrase... lady.
I talk to women who I want to date and they wish to have a career and "live their lives" before having children. Even women who want children are convinced that having kids makes living life impossible. They believe that putting a career path on hold until their children are older and more independent is a disservice to themselves. I explain that I just want to be a good father and husband to a good wife and great children.
And I am told I'm a loser, a nobody, a sexist, I've even been called an "aspiring slave driver."
We are so entirely immersed into anti-family/anti-children propaganda that the mere act of questioning a womans personal priorities is met with venomous hatred. The simple idea that it's possible to postpone selfish professional and monetary desires for the sake of continuing a strong and stable society is met with swift and cruel vengeance.
I am told there will be time to raise children later. After they've wasted years of their life and tens of thousands of dollars on an education they won't use and sold fractions of their spirit to a company who can't be grateful to them.
They tell me that if they were to become pregnant before they had the chance to succeed the way men are allowed to they would abort. Never even considering the idea that it's not that men are "allowed" to have careers, it's that we're willing to cut off peices of our bodies, our souls, our lifespans just for the chance that maybe our families could one day possibly have more than we ever did.
I've met women who have had multiple abortions and plan to have more when the time comes and think that one day the scar tissue in their uterus will have no affect on their ability to have children when their most fertile years have gone the way of the dodo. And they see it as selfish of ME that I would reproach that internal system of ethics.
The idea that raising a family and building a home is NOT a form of toxic self flagelation and self abuse is considered ridiculous by almost every woman i meet. SO ridiculous in fact that murdering their unborn offspring is a virtue when done for their own desires.
So many women want children more than anything but they think they will find a man, settle down, and start a family in their 40s. When 95% of their eggs are gone, the genetic quality of said eggs has deteriorated to the point where it's a 70/30 shot on having a child with an extra chromosome. And all that with the fact that any man in existence would rather marry a fertile cocktail waitress than a barren billionaire, with 6 PhDs. But that same billionaire woman with all that education won't consider a man with anything less than 8 PhDs and twice as many billions unless she becomes absolutely desperate. And at that point it's the broke stupid tanned poolboy with a 12 pack who's down to be paid to play xbox and fuck a career woman 3 times a week. Until the next pool boy comes into rotation.
I even meet women who think that doing both is the best idea ever. "Women who think they have to choose between one or the other are retarded," I've been told. "Daycare isn't that expensive if you work a successful job, plus public schools are an absolute blessing for working mothers"
I explained that children left at daycare for just 8 hours a week display all the same psychological symptoms as children who have been entirely abandoned by their parents. I was asked for proof. It wasn't hard to pull up on my phone. She decided that she would hire a nanny instead and walked out on the date.
Because a nanny fixes the problems caused by letting strangers raise your children.
I was raised by a single moth-- excuse me. I misspoke. I was raised by daycare and public school. I was raised by complete strangers who had no problem abusing me when they got upset. Encouraging me when i failed or came up short. Denigrating me when i excelled or pulled ahead. I was raised by a shift rotation of people who did not care about me. People who came to work only 80% of the time so they could afford their pills. And were falling asleep for 90% of the rest of the time. I had 4 teachers out of more than 100 that actually gave a fuck. And how muchb can I actually expect them to do for me when they have 1000 other students they care just as much about? And could they EVER POSSIBLY love me as much as my mother and father would have? Fuck. No. And I spent my latter TEEN years embracing porn addiction, alcoholism, and drug addiction. All while my single mother continued to embrace her professional career while I did my best to be a father to my three little brothers. All while i dropped out two times, refused to find work, stole, lied, cheated, and schemed to fuel my various addictions. Until finally I overcame my battle with that stuff when I discovered stephan molyneux. And I saw trump announce his campaign in 2016. They introduced me to philosophy and hope for a good future and I've been working to improve my life ever since. I dropped the porn. I stopped lying. I stopped stealing. I started working, and doing my very fucking best ESPECIALLY when I'm emotionally shot and physically exhausted. Eventually i was able to give up weed. And i thank god that's the only drug i was ever relying on. Because only god knows how hopelessly lost i would have been if it had been something harder. I stopped drinking until they forced me to stay inside for all of 2020. I'm ashamed to say that i fell back on alcohol as a crutch for a majority of this last year. So I take these mask policies and lockdown orders personally because I've watched myself backslide so far.
The point is that I figured out how to overcome my own personal trauma because of strangers on the internet.
And I'm hoping that figuring out where to find people like me will help me get even further than I've come on my own.
So where does a man who's only ambition is to be a great husband and father find a woman who sees the benefits in being provided for? Where does a man who wants what I want find a woman who doesn't see it as slavery or self flagelation or demeaning to raise and educate our children?
Women... I don't blame any of you for these things any more than I blame myself for my situation. I'm not saying I'm entirely a blameless victim of circumstance. I'm saying that we are all culpable for the modern state of affairs.
You are dealing with a generation of men raised by women. More than that.. raised by women who weren't even around to raise us.
We are barely masculine. Most of us cannot even be considered men.
Most of us are addicted to something. Whether it is porn or drugs or alcohol but usually a combination of all three.
How can any of you be expected to be attracted to a man who wants to look at 500 women express every depraved sexual desire in the book on a daily basis? While they get high, get drunk, and get angry when you expect them to cut back?
How can you be expected to choose a partner out of a pool of millions of men who never pull themselves out of the situation I used to be in? Boys who are willing to lie, cheat, steal, cut off little peices of their soul to preserve their ability to access sex and drugs.
How can a woman grow up to be virtuous when she spent her years as a little girl being sexualized and told of the empowerment inherent in hookup culture? How can any of you women become ladies when you watched your mother embrace the same hookup culture you are expected to participate in? How can you be told to see through the web of lies spun by every corporation and government agency and teacher and counselor you've ever known when you are raised by the same type of woman as I was? A woman who embraced their lies and went down the corporate career path.
You women here were probably raised by the same types of childless miserable leftists who become teachers and daycare workers as I was.
So how could I blame you for believing the path your mother took was the wrong one?
How can you be expected to withstand the hard questions and realities I've already spoken of here when you, just like me and most of the men I've known in my life, never had a man who didn't want to fuck you in their lives? A man who wasn't afraid to ask you these questions? A father.
Just like me, if you're a girl reading this, you probably, hopefully not, but probably, had to learn these lessons from complete strangers on the internet.
I don't resent or hate any of the women I spoke of above. I feel bad that they may never overcome modernity. And I'm so grateful for every man and woman who takes the time to read this.
I'm sorry i had so much to say on the challenges that men face in this area and so little to say to the women. I'm hoping that if this gains any traction there will be a few women on here who can add to this subject.
I have same question for you ladies among us.
How do women who are truly virtuous find men who are truly men? Where should they go?
Because it seems like modern society has done everything in its power to make it impossible to meet each other.
Masks. Isolation. Social media censorship. The propaganda of hookup culture. The inundation of porn. The rampant addiction and alcohol abuse.
How can young people who have overcome all these things find each other and start families?
This is a problem we can solve in the here and now.
Maybe the mods here could set up another page... some kind of group meetup thing so we can find each other... just one idea.
Eliminate the social alienation that has become the norm in western societies.
I encourage you to work hard, save money and set up a home. Create the lifestyle that will allow you to marry and your wife to stay home with the children. The whole build it, and she will come, thing.
Your thoughts and comments are packed with truth. I wouldn’t want to be young and dating now. I would probably seek rural or small town living. Simplicity or less distractions?
Everything you mention is indicative of many many years of anti western culture, anti family, anti reproduction and anti Godly messaging - pervasive throughout schools, media, big tech, etc. Continue to be an example of the values of our past, and be hopeful.
I don't want to rely on organized religion because even they are becoming woke. I live in utah. Relatively small town.
Still considering moving to russia or another unapologetically conservative Christian nation for a few years.
I was raised mormon and the wokeness is real even in the church. It gets worse the higher up the hierarchy you go. Fathers teaching their daughters to go to college and make a career before they start a family.
15 year old girls girls coming to the weekly groups to show off new tattoos. ( back when i was in high school)
Be a part of a volunteer organization that you would want your future partner to be into as well, something constructive. I recently met some beautiful young ladies and gentlemen (inside and out) at the GOP orientation for new precinct and district officers. I've seen excellent based young people helping at local homeschool events and co-ops, also volunteering at their church events. Habitat for humanity, food banks, etc - there are many great places to work regularly, where you can accomplish great things while getting to know based people. One might be your future or might set you up with her!