This might seem like a dumb question but should I get the vaccine?
My family is getting it now & my 3 grandparents have just got the 2 shots for it. Now my dad is getting an appointment for it soon & I told them I'm not sure if I want it or not & my dad just told me that I need to get the vaccine.
I hope to God nothing bad happens to my family for taking it (or me for not taking it). I've seen headlines of people dying from it & it makes me sad since Trump had a big role in getting the vaccines out to everyone with operation warp speed & said he fully supports the vaccines. But then I see everyone on here hates the vaccine even though we are all trump supporters. It's just total chaos, I don't trust anything. People could die because of it a few months from now & I guess some people have died right after taking it.
do not take it under any circumstance
Should I shoot myself in the head? Other members of my family are shooting themselves in the head and I’m wondering if I should just go ahead and eat a bullet too.
Alright man, I was just asking. No need to be like that. We are all friends here, right? I just don't know a lot about this stuff, I want to know why everyone here hates it.
I just don't want to get in an argument with my family about it or make it awkward. I go to my grandparents senior living place & I know everyone hates masks on here too but I wear a mask when I go in there otherwise I get in trouble.
Sorry. I was trying to be funny but I guess it does sound a little dick-ish.
I do believe the vaccines are playing Russian Roulette perhaps with a few more chambers. It might not kill you. It might just leave you with life time problems though.
Edit: Let me just add that it sounded like you were bowing to peer pressure from your family rather than “trusting the science”. The fact that you’re here, means that you have access to the most ACTUALLY SCIENTIFIC information on the internet which means you should know better. We have info here that is not allowed ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE INTERNET.
Even if you got the “vaccine” and then experienced side effects and wanted to warn others of your experience...what would happen to your post describing your actual experience getting the “vaccine”? Blocked. Banned. Maybe even deplatformed.
NO Never I'll Take a Bullet to the Head before I take that Experimental Gene Therapy Nano Tech Kill Shot
Resist
There are 'reasons' these types of messenger therapies have never been used on Humans, one such being the fact all the animals in the studies died.
But if you research it yourself and also search your heart and decide to take one, good luck.
I wouldn't take it but it is your Cross to bear, not mine.
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Well, we have now had millions of actual humans vaccinated, actual deaths that are verifiably attributed to the vaccine are exceedingly small. Dying with covid is not necessarily dying of Covid, and dying after taking the vaccine is not necessarily dying from the vaccine. Or have we already forgotten the media manipulation of the virus that occurred last year?
Every drug always has people who develop a severe reaction to it and die. The question is whether people are dying above the expected number of deaths. You're looking at studies done with these therapies a decade ago, but technology moves at a very fast pace. This vaccine has been studied in clinical trials before mass vaccination, and mass vaccination can be looked at as a giant clinical trial. Short term, it is safe. This is a fact that is not debatable. Long term does not exist yet.
I find it amazing how many people here are pulling for this vaccine to fail. Why? So you can have your "I told you so" moment? Think about someone besides yourself and your own ego. Every covid patient I have intubated, in the back of my mind I knew that I was very likely to be the last human being that person will ever interact with. If we have a safe and effective vaccine, what's the problem? If you don't want to take it, don't take it. Wait and see, or don't take it at all. Nobody should be forced into it. You should decide for yourself what the risk is. But don't judge others because they think differently from you. Because that makes us no different from the left. It's a harsh truth that many people here need to understand. You're not helping anybody by claiming it is dangerous based on something you read from an animal trial done a decade ago. Or even 5 years ago. While ignoring the data that is pouring out today.
Edit: this is directed to the general public here, not necessarily at you.
Damn doc you couldn't be more incorrect about so much if you were shilling.
Take it, not my Cross to bear, go ahead on.
No one wants it to fail, that would be 'you' making shiite up.
Why not HCQ or any other preventative...? No, that's rhetorical, don't bother.
Malpractice kills how many each year doc?
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Did I ever say no to HCQ? If so, please point out where. Did I ever say no to other therapies? Of course not. But it's always better not to get it at all, then get it and bet on a treatment. Yes always. For any serious disease. And covid is a serious disease for a lot of people. The catch is of course the vaccine has to be safe. As of now, it is.
And telling me I'm wrong without actually saying what I'm wrong about, and then pivoting to medical malpractice deaths is a straw man argument, and isn't going to fly with me. This is CNN level stuff.
And cut it out with the cross nonsense. I never told you or anyone to take it.
Cross nonsense?
Ok now I understand you better, thanks.
You're wrong about people wanting the false vaccines to fail doc, just as I told you in my first response, which you ignored.
You're wrong to accept the false vaccines as 'vaccines' when you should know better.
Were the 'vaccines' given to people in the early fifties for polio, the Cutter labs poisons I am referencing here, were those 'safe' too?
You're wrong about a lot doc, especially the notion those 'are' legitimate vaccines.
Accuse me of a straw man YET I had already given you the thing you complained about, you don't seem to listen doc.
Y'all killed thousands with improper intubation too, wouldn't be a straw man even if I had failed to give you the datum point, which I didn't.
Yeah, you and the rest of the lying CDC and double damned corrupt government ARE forcing folks to take it, softly and slowly but surely.
The CDC has published numbers claiming 0ver 2000 people have died from the various false vaccines doc, many thousands more have suffered effects. And the worst is yet to come - you know full well the modifications done by the messenger RNA coding are just beginning, evolution. VAERS or whatever their nomenclature is.
You didn't answer when I asked how many did malpractice kill just last year doc? Not even counting the ones y'all killed over this chinese flu nonsense with toxic nursing homes and improper intubation...
I don't mean 'you' personally doc, just as a whole, Cuomo and Whitmer, Fauci and the WHO, the chinks who built this and released it with U.N. and deep state help. Y'all.
I'm going to choose to believe, based on your 'cross' comment that you just don't know better.
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Not sure what my cross comment makes me, but whatever. You're using that phrase to make yourself seem pious and above it all, but in reality it makes you seem foolish.
Bringing up prior vaccines does not invidate current ones. That's another straw man argument.
Not understanding how MRNA vaccines work and calling them "false vaccines" only shows your lack of understanding of the subject. They are true vaccines and I've explained why in this very thread. I will not rehash it, you can go back and read it. If you still choose ignorance, that's your decision.
You say you don't want these vaccines to fail yet you and most others here are screaming not to take them because something something Polio vaccines in the 50s, or gene therapy, or mark of the beast, etc. Good luck squaring that circle.
I'm not going to discuss clinical decision making regarding intubation with someone who is not a medical professional, least of all one who knows nothing about the topic at hand. Sorry, no offense. You don't understand anything on this topic. You've never had to make this kind of decision, and be glad.
Throwing the conversation to medical malpractice has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It is a diversion to discredit the original argument by destroying the straw man (med mal). Sorry, not going to work. I expect that stuff from CNN anchors, and it doesn't work for them either.
And perhaps most importantly, I never told anyone to take it. Not once. Everyone should make their own decision. I only provided information. You didn't like it. And what you like or agree with is irrelevant. Don't want it, don't take it. But don't spread BS around to fullfill your own agenda. You're just annoyed that I'm not here to pat you on the back and agree with you.
You're doing the spreading here doc, instead of presenting any evidence against my points you seek to accost my humble self, but it's ok I forgive you.
Not squaring a circle here, just pointing out reality.
Adios.
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You never made any coherent point that I could present evidence against. Nothing you said had any relevance to the covid vaccine. Just tangential points. But that was of course the entire purpose of your argument, wasn't it?
Your argument is that this vaccine is bad because some polio vaccine in the 50s had issues. Then your argument that this vaccine isn't a vaccine. Then your argument was that this is some kind of genetic modification. I explained to you that a vaccine made 70 years ago does not prove anything about a vaccine today. This is a fact. I explained in detail how MRNA vaccines work. I explained why this vaccine is a vaccine. I explained why it is not gene therapy or genetic modification. I explained everything to you. YOU chose ignorance. That IS your cross to bear. See, I can do it too. You're free to make whatever choice you want. That is something I maintained throughout. You want me to agree with you, but I can't. You have no understanding of the subject matter and you refuse to learn. Straw man arguments are fallacious and I will not entertain them. You want to show me data that verifiably makes the point that these vaccines are dangerous by linking outcomes to vaccine administration, please do, and we can discuss. But if you're going to present tangential points (70 year old vaccines) and straw man arguments (med Mal, intubation, etc) to discredit the discussion, you'll have to do it with someone else.
And stop with the high and mighty, above it all, religious shtick. It's very transparent what you're trying to do.
I am sure nothing will go wrong with genetic manipulation.
Nothing at all.
Enjoy your jab.
I know you're being sarcastic but I guess I just want to hear both sides of the argument. I haven't been looking up too much stuff about this & the virus has been chaos, I'm not the most well informed I guess.
If I decide to not get the vaccine then what should I tell my parents & family? I don't want to start an argument.
Did you get the vaccine or anyone you know?
Just remember to get your special pin to wear.
I would like to identify you in public.
Thank you.
Viruses replicate by injecting their DNA or RNA, depending on the virus into your cells, and use your own cellular machinery to manufacture and package new viruses.
This vaccine likely uses an inactivated virus vector to inject the mRNA that encodes the viral spike protein into your cells, and uses your cellular machinery to manufacture that protein. Your immune system recognized that protein as foreign and manufactures defenses against it. Antibodies, t-cells, etc. That way, if you come in contact with the actual virus, it immediately gets attacked by your own defenses that the vaccine primed for you.
That's how it works. If people believe it's gene therapy, then getting the cold or the flu is also gene therapy. It's not. Don't listen to the nonsense. Look at your own risks (yourself, your close contacts), and decide whether to take it, wait a year or 2, or doesn't take it all. I haven't taken it yet. I had covid at least once, I'm fine. I will probably take it sometime in the future. Because if it is safe long term, what's the downside?
No, this vaccine doesn't contain the virus at all from what I have read.
No, it doesn't. It uses a viral vector to get the RNA into the cells. But it's not a covid virus, just a vector to inject the mRNA. Think of it as a delivery vehicle. It just happens to be a virus because a virus is already designed to inject genetic meterial into cells.
I wouldn't, but you do you and see how it works out.
I cant make the choice for you. But if you trust it why not take it. I don't trust it and I don't think I am risk. So I am not taking it. Don't understand what Trump has to do with testing the vaccine. We don't hate the vaccine we don't need it. I am not fat or old, I will be fine. You cannot be for real.
You'll probably be just fine if you get the vaccine. Lots of doomfags perpetuating the opinions of random nobody doctors as gospel. That being said, I personally disagree with getting vaccinated if you aren't at risk. It's up to you.
I agree, the decision is yours. In the short term, the vaccine IS safe. It isn't genetic manipulatiom, gene therapy, or anything of the sort. It takes advantage of the same mechanism viruses in the wild utilize to copy themselves using your own cellular machinery (ribosome). There are standard side effects, like with any drug, and they aren't any different or more severe than any other vaccine. This vaccine will make you feel like crap for a day or so. There are no long term studies or data yet, to say that it is completely safe. So the decision is yours. I personally know over 100 people who took the vaccine from various companies. They are all completely fine.
In a lot of places, the decision will be "take it, or lose your job and access to all public and private services."
In other countries, that is probably true. If any company based in the US will try that, they open themselves up to litigation. I doubt that will happen here on a significant scale.
There's a pede with a thread saying that his boss is ordering all of the staff to get vaccinated and show their cards. This shit is coming sooner than one might think.
I have heard of these instances. Not saying it can't or doesn't happen here, but it is extremely stupid on the part of his boss. Even hospitals don't force their employees to have the vaccine. The repercussions are usually mandatory masks, but we have mandatory masks anyways.
just get it. i'm getting mine on the 30th with moderna. my dad has CHF, CKD type 2 diabetes, and a plethora of other illnesses and he's fine. If it has a microchip in it oh well I'll be programmed to follow the communism doctrine. I have UC and need the shot or else little baby covid-19 will eat me alive.