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MrAnderson1776 17 points ago +18 / -1

People dont' know how true this is. This is the ONe Great Truth which defines our present times and all our problems.

I actually think it's time to start developing a framework where they can be prosecuted for lying but not lose the 1st Amendment. In theory, they can be sued for lying about private citizen so the seed of the idea is already present.

The basic idea is also present. You cannot harm people by lying about them. How about lying to them? Sites like NaturalNews , to whatever extent they're full of shit, don't have the reach to harm society generally. But CBS and NBC definitely do. We used to have the fairness doctrine and that apparently passed 1st Amendment muster.

Laws go where criminals lead. If the actions of the media have become so toxic they represent a mortal danger to this nation and its people, then that's where they're leading and we have to follow. The 1st Amendment and freedom of the press is not a suicide pact. We can revisit those concepts and work something out more finely.

I would like to hear experts take this up and argue each side.

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WU_HAN_FRU 10 points ago +10 / -0

The 1st Amendment and freedom of the press is not a suicide pact.

Word.

The framework is there, but it's never used: Reckless disregard for the truth and/or actual malice on the part of media.

The problem is, the courts have been politically corrupt since before the NYT v. Sullivan case established the actual malice standard, so they rarely (never?) apply it, even in cases where malice and reckless disregard are obvious.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/federal-appeals-judge-blasts-landmark-libel-ruling-says-it-enhances-power-of-overwhelmingly-liberal-media

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MrAnderson1776 6 points ago +6 / -0

Informative. Will pursue.

Listening to John Batchelor podcast the other day. He has a very long running "conversation" with one guest , a prof. named Michael Vlhaos (spelled right) where they compare the US to Rome and ask- " are we now in a civil war but we dont' know it? "

Anyway Vlahos made this point. The Constitution is over if the people for whom is was a legitimate bond are all gone, disappeared. So that's a core problem. Judges who dont give a fuck about the Constitution and are just poliiticians in robes are like the MSM; they're the background radiation that might end up killing us . But we still have to operate in that world.

Nevertheless, if we DO survive it will be because people did the thinking that needs to be done, then that thinking found some circuit through existing offcialdom and gets implemented into law and accepted by people, or accepted by people then implemented in law. It goes both ways.

We need new thinking. The disease points to the cure. The media is 90% of the disease. They're knowing, deliberate, calculating, coordinating systematic liars who routinely misrepresent the nature of reality to the US population. They know they are doing this. It's not a matter of having a point of view or even a strong point of view. It's a matter of lying.

Legal discovery if forced on them instantly today would give us everything we need.

A federal investigation bringing all the technical capabilities of the national security statte and deployed against the soft underbelly of the guilty- the CEOs who dont' think of themselves as possible targets, their secretaries and managers and trustees and steering committies etc. etc. etc. - that would yield everything we need to prove their incredible, seditious guilt.

It's there to be had. The law is flexible enough to get to it. What we lack is a credible action plan that people who come into power and look for ideas to implement can take off the shelf and put into effect.

This is what thinktanks like Lawfare of the Brookings Institute do. Believe, the PotatoOTUS doesn't have any ideas. At all.

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Ccbzz 2 points ago +2 / -0

Legal action would be good but it’s not the kill shot. We need to render their platforms irrelevant. We don’t need a media anymore. We have a video camera in every pocket. Why do I need to rely on a journalist to tell me what happened somewhere?