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jstressman -5 points ago +1 / -6

It doesn't modify or even touch your genes. Anyone saying this is an idiot and hasn't even tried to learn about how the vaccine actually works.

For those who need an explanation;

In normal cellular function (not talking about the vaccine yet) a gene is read from your DNA and the instruction in the gene is copied to a bit of messenger RNA. That mRNA is moved out of the nucleus where the DNA is, into the rest of your cell (the cytoplasm) that is like a soup full of various molecules, enzymes, mitochondria, etc... there a ribosome (an enzyme) reads the mRNA and according to its instructions grabs amino acids out of the soup and strings them into a chain. When done the chain folds into a protein. The mRNA then dissolves.

This is what your cells are doing trillions of times a day all the time.

Now in the vaccine, we skip straight to the mRNA step, which we make ourselves to code for a single protein. In this case one protein from the spike on the surface of the coronavirus. Not the whole virus, not enough to rebuild the virus, etc. Just a tiny piece of it that is enough for your immune system to recognize it, remember it, and be able to recognize it again if it shows up as part of the real virus later on so that it can quickly get to work cleaning it out before you get sick.

The mRNA doesn't read your DNA, certainly doesn't change your DNA, doesn't go close to your DNA, etc. It is just read to make a protein just like mRNA is all the time in your cells every day. We're just saying which protein to make. That's it.

There are also no changes to your immune system. This functions just like any other vaccine, which rely on the same method of your immune system recognizing and remembering all (in a weakened or disabled form) or part of a pathogen (in this case called an antigen) in order to be able to recognize it again when the real live version shows up.

All we've done is changed how the antigen gets there. Instead of having to culture the actual virus, which is hard to do because viruses generally need hosts and don't grow on their own like bacteria etc... so you can't really culture a virus, you have to grow them inside host cells and then harvest them etc... instead we're just saying to the cell "hey, make this single protein for me with the mechanisms you already have doing that exact job perfectly well." Because it's a lot easier, faster, and more accurate for us to just do that than to have to grow the whole virus in some other middle man and then harvest it and make sure it's deactivated so it doesn't get you sick, etc.

We cut out all the potentially problematic stuff we don't need and create a very targeted, easy to produce, powerful way to let your immune system learn about a new potential pathogen.

Again, doesn't read your DNA. Doesn't even touch your DNA. Doesn't change your DNA. Doesn't change your immune system. Doesn't CHANGE ANYTHING about your cells or genetics other than your immune system recognizing the end protein and remembering it EXACTLY like it would with a traditional vaccine where the whole or part of the pathogen would be injected into you for the immune system to work on.

Stop spreading the lie of this being genetic modification. It absolutely isn't. It's either ignorant fear mongering, or intentional lies by people who know better... but regardless of the motivation of the person saying it, it's objectively false.

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Forty_Five 3 points ago +4 / -1

It reprograms your RNA and it's not a vaccine.

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jstressman -2 points ago +1 / -3

Bullshit on both counts. I just edited my original comment to explain what it does.

Any part of that you don't understand?

It is, by the legal and common definition of a vaccine, a vaccine.

Stop repeating objectively false bullshit you read on social media without understanding.

Again, if there is some part of what I explained that you don't understand, point it out and we'll try to make it clearer for you.

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StrangerThanFiction 3 points ago +3 / -0

They changed the definition of vaccine to fit their agenda, just like they did with herd immunity. It now includes not just a weakened or killed pathogen, but also a part of it's structure (such as a protein or spike). How convenient. More importantly by definition a vaccine produces immunity. This experimental mRNA treatment does NOT lead to immunity.

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jstressman -1 points ago +1 / -2

Show me the original legal definition. Or even the previous definition that you think was fundamentally changed.

Actually quote it for me.

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/vaccine

Further, this vaccine does provide immunity exactly like a traditional vaccine would. Neither are perfect, with this having a ~95 effectiveness. Look up the effectiveness of previous vaccines for various other pathogens and tell me what they are, because I know for a fact most are not 100%.

You are repeating things you heard without understanding. Things that were not accurate or true to begin with.

The vaccine is like wearing a condom to prevent pregnancy or disease. Not 100% effective, but massively more effective than not wearing one. Or even more accurately, like a woman using the pill to prevent pregnancy. ~97% effective, but not 100%. So you're going to claim that the pill isn't birth control because it's only 97% effective, not 100%? Are you going to claim it's no different than not taking the pill because 97% might as well be 0% because it's not 100%?

Do you see how invalid your argument is?

Look at those legal definitions of vaccine, or quote me one from a credible mainstream source that you think the current vaccines fail to meet. I'd like to see it.

The only difference here is the mechanism of delivering the antigen, the part of the pathogen that the immune system will recognize and remember in order to provide immunity against the whole pathogen in the future. In this case the spike protein. The immune response to the administered antigen and gain of immunity are identical to traditional vaccines.

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Tripin 1 point ago +2 / -1

RNA genes. A typical protein-coding gene is first copied into RNA as an intermediate in the manufacture of the final protein product. In other cases, the RNA molecules are the actual functional products, as in the synthesis of ribosomal RNA and transfer RNA.

If you want to get the vaccine go for it, but why should I have to?

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jstressman 0 points ago +1 / -1

And?

It's not reading, touching, or changing YOUR genes. So what is your point?

It's a custom mRNA to make a single protein, just like countless other mRNA in your cells right now happily coding numerous proteins etc. We're just telling it exactly which one to make without all the extra crap that would come with doing it "the traditional way", which would mean growing the actual virus in a host cell of some sort and then having to harvest the whole thing, and then try to find a way to inactivate it before we inject more than we need to into you to have your immune system recognize and remember it.

We're just cutting out all the extra cruft to get to the very specific single piece we need that is enough for your immune system to be able to recognize and remember so that it can recognize and clean out the real virus if it shows up.

I'm not disagreeing with much of the rest of the arguments about the government mandating it, vaccine passports, etc.

I'm pointing out that calling it a genetic **modifying **substance, meaning it's claiming that it modifies YOUR genes, is objectively false.

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IM_A_TRIVIAL_PURSUIT [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

BIG PHARMA HAVE SAID THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG THE MRNA PERSISTS IN YOUR CELLS.

IT AFFECTS THE FORMATION OF LAYERS OF THE PLACENTA.

THANKS FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY LESSON. YOU SEEM TO THINK YOU KNOW MORE THAN BIG PHARMA.

ALSO SHOW ME WHERE FAUCI SAYS ABSOLUTELY THAT THE "VACCINES" GIVE IMMUNITY. HE DOESN'T.

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jstressman 1 point ago +1 / -0

Show me a credible paper stating that vaccine affects the formation of the placenta.

It doesn't.

Some early claims were made during early trials about worries between similar proteins, but these have long since been addressed as invalid.

If you have a valid source saying otherwise, share it.

Further, the mRNA itself is harmless. It's either converted to the protein and breaks down or not. It doesn't do anything else.

Further,

mRNA vaccines take advantage of the process that cells use to make proteins in order to trigger an immune response and build immunity to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html