No one that has had confirmed case with antibodies should have to take it. I am ready and willing to take that to court and something tells me Dr.Rand Paul talking to Dr. Faucci tells me he will sue or do something also. Listen to the dialogue
My workplace is pushing it heavily on us, they made slick infographics on how the vaccines are "super safe, it's science guys!" and the CDC will even let us GATHER INSIDE with other people once we get it!!
I keep having to hold myself back from firing an angry email in reply to the entire organization. First off, the vaccines are NOT FDA approved, second, they are only authorized for emergency use, and third, as a scientist I refuse to have experimental drugs injected into my bloodstream.
I haven't had this even mentioned at work yet, but my question for them will be "will you be financially liable for my death and will you pay my husband for the loss of my life?" I'd leave my job, but not many are in my position to do so. I think if people start questioning who is liable for any side effects/death or permanent disability will make some companies reconsider their stance. If the pharmaceutical companies aren't liable, who is?
We the taxpayers are liable, just like we are for all vaccines. Read up on the Vaccine Court, which is where aggrieved parties go when they are harmed from a vaccine. The pharmaceutical companies are insulated from liability.
I realize the vaccine companies are immune, I was speaking about the employers who are attempting to force or coerce their employees to get the injection as a condition of employment. So we know Pfizer or whoever is immune from paying out to families of deceased lab rats (us) but if your employer forces you to get jabbed as a condition to remain employed, are they then liable to pay your family for the loss of your life should it come to that? It was their requirement to continue working to support your family so who's responsible for your family when your job murdered you? What if you become disabled by the injection and can't ever go back to work? Whose fault? Who's gonna pay? Taxpayers, I know. What a world we're living in that this even has to be thought of. My employer is not included in my healthcare decisions and they should not have a right to dictate my medical choices.
Agreed! If my company forces me, I'll have to get fired. I get a flu shot every year because it helps if I get sick and only had the flu (or covid) Dec 2019. I've been around folks who've had covid but haven't got sick from it yet.
Fuck any company that forces you to get the shot. There will be so many damn lawsuits you wonder if thats there plan to take over our country.
I wonder everyday if this is the fall of the empire and there's a foundation somewhere on an island waiting for the world to start over.
THIS. I don't mind the drug companies for getting a pass on the wanton deaths that will continue to follow but anyone that PUSHES people to get it under threat of repercussions should be ONE. HUNDRED. PERCENT. Liable.
I think that you should do exactly that. Send a company wide email detailing out just what you said here. Then dare them to harass you over it. There are miles of lawsuits over this crap just waiting to be filed and won.
HR is where losers go who don't have any skills, were rejected by the big government jobs, and had nowhere else to go. "When I grow up, I want to work in HR!" Said no kid ever. Any job where your primary duties are dedicated to data entry and setting up mandatory meetings on sexual harassment, etc. with the canned, out of the box materials they purchase, isn't professional at all. Any halfwit boob could do this.
Right but that would probably involve getting fired, interrupting my career, and then trying to figure out a good way to sue for damages (including punitive, because the goal is to punish them)
The fact of the matter is that it's still in the experimental phase and NOBODY should be forcing it on us if we don't want it. My wife has had both shots and she appears to be fine - for now.
I refuse to take it and tell anyone to fuck off if they give me shit about it. Exercise your right of free will and be vocal about it.
Because it is. All of the experts stated that a vaccine could not come out within a year.
There has been about 50 million people who have gotten the vaccine. There has been 354 anaphylactic reactions and probably dozens of deaths. If you think this is a lot, please apply your numerical standard for covid to it.
The dark horse here is that it is impossible to speed up “long term.” If the vaccine caused wildly deadly cancers at a median time of, say, three years, we would have literally no way of knowing. We can’t throw money at time to make it go by faster.
Yes, this is also true of covid itself (for those “b-b-b-bUt wHaT aBoUt lOnG cOvId”). However, we will, by definition, always have more long term data about covid than the vaccines. This is because the vaccines must exist after covid has been circulating in the wild.
Also, it’s false to equate this vaccine with the platform (that has been in development for decades) if it’s also false to equate covid with other coronaviruses.
God, you're an idiot. A vaccine could not come out within a year because they're supposed to go through five years of longterm testing, which they skipped for this vaccine. Cutting corners is not a miracle.
Look at your first statement. No vaccine has came to market in under 5 years. No animal trials. Unknown long term effects. I remember when the FDA allowed Oxycontin to be marketed as non-addictive. Look how that turned out. I don't fucking think so. My body, my choice.
"The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state."
Our right to choose was taken away in 1905. People have had over 100 years to fight back and get that overturned and it hasn't been. "My body, my choice" came well after with the abortion movement. Conveniently (for them) it is still used only for abortion in states that do engage in mandatory vaccination for schools etc.
This is a do or die (or permanently sterilize or the rest of the risk list) moment where we need to get this ruling OFF the books once and for all.
If we can get rid of old laws in Michigan that enabled our governor to unconstitutionally extend her emergency powers, then we can get rid of this ruling. Problem comes in with our current US Supreme Court excelling at being Supreme Cucks and upholding clearly unconstitutional laws/mandates in the last year and change. This isn't trying to ignore the initial cuck-out of the original ruling itself as it came from the US Supreme Court back then too though.
The new Double Arm Initiative sponsored by the CDC and the United Nations. Government officials will come to inject you with the latest vaccine AND take your guns. Government efficiency!
The very same “authorities” who killed thousands thanks to their disinformation and censorship regarding COVID are the same ones claiming to have insight into the long term effects of an experimental gene modification agent.
But, trust the science, bigot!
They're actually GLOBALISTS. They've done the same shit in Israel where they have a supposedly 'right' government. Right parties all over Europe as well as Boris Johnson in the UK support vaccine passports just as much as the left.
There’s big difference. Liberals are an opponent, leftists are an enemy. Liberals can coexist with you and reason with you, leftists can’t. They see you as heretics to their religion, therefore you must be silenced, and you must be ostracized from society.
I know they have ideological differences, but they both vote for leftists. politically, they are the same exact threat.
a conservative wouldn't vote for a fascist but a liberal would vote for a communist. its true and its how we arrived in this situation to begin with. if there was any pushback from liberals, there wouldn't be any leftists. alas, there is no practical difference between them. they are both enemies to our country.
There’s great political realignment over the past four years. Many liberals became conservatives - at least relatively conservative on the political spectrum compared to the woke mob, meanwhile many conservatives revealed themselves as cuckservatives and voted democrats. The worst of those in congress voted WITH the democrats, others grandstood to democrats without really doing anything. That’s one of Trump’s legacy. He reshaped then political landscape. So don’t count the liberals out. They’ll get it when they get cancelled - for not being woke enough.
No we're not, but they are. The church of leftism, which can be dated back to the garden of Eden, as their core tenet is the exact lie that Satan told Eve - "Ye shall be like God." That's the only explanation for the war they wage on reality.
You don't get it. They are not LIBERAL as far as the definition of the actual word and what it means.
Don't tell me about the "classical liberalism" argument. DemoKKKrats don't get to just hijack words and change the meanings so we have to add "classical" in front of the true meaning. Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN. That's not a "classical" definition of marriage. That's the 2,000+ year old long standing and true definition of the word.
The vaccine is the line in the sand. Why? Because you would be following orders from a totalitarian usurping overclass to give up a basic human right; ownership of your body, it has no medical advantage. I will blame you as much as any other leftist for the future.
Yeah well...that's the same logic that should have applied to everything else that's happened up until now, too, like lockdowns and mask mandates. And we've seen how that's gone. They've succeeded in creating an environment where not going with the herd gets you labeled a nut and ostracized. Change my mind, unless you live in TX or FL.
Somehow we've gotten to a world where casually asking someone what country they are from can get you fired, but aggressively demanding people reveal personal medical information is laudable.
Don't you get it? In the hopes that if we line up every year for their new booster to kill off and sterilize people we (might) get the chance to hug grandma again!
Grandma will be dead before she ever gets a hug again. They are in the middle of successfully wiping out history right now and Gma and Gpa are in the fact checkers way. We are next. They can’t successfully indoctrinate us the same way they can indoctrinate someone already born plugged into the system...because they don’t know life as we once knew it to be...
They'll let some sort of critical mass hit of people bringing that up, mention it on the news for a week or two so normies can hate the group "holding back society", and then the FDA will swap the "vaccine" to an "approved" status regardless as to whether it should have been or not. Then the government will use Jacobson v. Massachusetts to force it on everyone trapped in a blue state (including people like me in MI, though I won't go down without a fight).
So stressing the experimental part isn't going to accomplish anything and we'll be just as at-risk of the side effects of an experimental vaccine because the bureaucracy will be manipulated to screw us.
We need to get to a point where they can't require any vaccine for people.
I once got a really nice umbrella from my firm for taking their flu shot. The next year there were no more "free gifts," so I refrained from the annual push to vax everyone. Caught the flu once in about 20 years. No biggie.
For this ridiculous flu, there is no gift tempting enough, not even air travel, dining out, going to a sports event (as if!), etc. Nah.
SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist. There are no isolated samples of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Any sample that is "isolated" has been contaminated with foreign DNA (either monkey or cancer cells).
I agree with you, but I'm trying to bolster this argument.
Measles has never been isolated either, but we have an ostensibly successful vaccination & I'm pretty sure it's fair to suggest that Measles exists. How would you claim this is different? Also, I'm wondering what percentage of viruses have been successfully isolated to your standard.
it should not require jacked up PCR tests to show something exists unless you're scamming people based on common cold or other random shit in their system
Funny how Sars-Cov-2 is so hard to detect even when it completely overwhelms people's immune systems, so they say
As always, people aren’t acknowledging how serious it is that first world nations are introducing vaccine passes. People in America aren’t acknowledging how serious it is that NY introduced them. Will Americans ever stand up for themselves, if not over the vaccine passes?
You can still contract and transmit the magic disease that you can have and never develop symptoms of even after the RNA protein shots. So you still have to wear a mask and 80% of people will end up with side effects ranging from ouch my arm, to debilitating chills and even death.
So you still have to wear a mask and can still get sick.
I'm merely suggesting that we destroy pseudo-liberal demoKKKrat Regressive Neo-Marxists with their own tactics, or else nullify the tactic once they realize how easily it is used against them.
"Everyone has different personal risk factors, concerns and considerations."
If only this part was taken more seriously by more people, the world would be more peaceful.
Respecting people's opinions towards music, culture, or whatever - instead of claiming "You don't like my culture? You're racist. Phobic. You must try my culture or you're descriminating against my nation and people"
Forcing shit on people never ends well in my opinion, minds games, intentions, or not.
Anyone who wants to wear a mask should. Anyone who doesn’t want to wear a mask should not. But then they mandated them everywhere and most idiots went along with it. Doesn’t give me much hope for the vaccine
Especially with these vaccine "passports" being introduced inside the US.
Some people even on this site aren't resisting the masks and just wear them anyway because it's easier and makes everybody else feel better. Those same ones will bend over for the vaccine too.
I'd say common sense shouldn't be knowledge, but I'm still young and make dumb decisions now and then. If these words can shift the direction of just one person, then Zuby, you might have saved somebody.
Nah, I passed the D.A.R.E. program in sixth grade. Just because somebody else does drugs and tells me I should too doesn't mean it's a good idea or that I should.
Trump can say what he wants, but his opinion doesn't and won't affect my decision.
I mean come on guys, obviously the vaccine isn't fake. The level of conspiracy it would require to keep an adverse vaccine under wraps, the amount of people it would require absolute secrecy to maintain makes such a conspiracy literally impossible.
It's a real vaccine.
That being said, the virus itself isn't remotely deadly unless you have very high risk factors. If you don't want to take it, by all means, don't take it. But please don't propagate bullshit like it's a fake vaccine without the slightest hint of fucking proof.
The vaccine is fake, in the sense that it's not a vaccine at all. It is a shot, yes, but that's where the similarities end. Whereas a vaccine introduces the immune system to a virus in order to develop future immunity to it, this covid thing is completely different, and the first of its kind. It actually changes how our genes replicate themselves. This has never been done before, and who knows what side effects may manifest in the coming decades.
No. This is the first mRNA vaccine. mRNA tech was initially developed for other applications (cancer treatment and others). Then covid came along and they turned mRNA gene therapy into a "vaccine".
It's an experimental mRNA vaccine with unknown long term side effects. Even if you read their actual reports used for the emergency authorization they all admit it.
There has never been a mRNA vaccine that made it even to stage 2 trials before. Usually new tech like that takes at least a decade to be approved.
Every person forced or misled to take the vaccine is a victim.
Amen! In fact China is spreading propaganda against the western manifactured vaccines. Sad to see the propaganda has found it's way into this community.
You have already been "force vaccinated". Polio, measles, tetanus.. what else? Do not fall into this anti-medicine bullshit. It is coming from China and Russia to damage USA.
Those vaccines were not forced. We had a choice to get our kids vaccinated or not. No one was saying we wouldn’t be allowed at events or on airplanes if we didn’t have them.
The vaccinations for polio, tetanus, etc. are different in type from this one, have a history of effectiveness/reliability, and are for things that really can kill a lot of people or cause great harm (life in an iron lung would be no fun; lockjaw is a helluva bad way to go).
Different in a sense, that they have been developed with the decades of accumulated vaccine knowledge and research. And that Trump accelerated the development by allowing simultaneous parallel testing to combat a pandemic.
From what I have seen, coof is also helluva way to go.
Whatever. I know this is the first time an mRNA vaccine has been used -- I don't blame people for being hesitant.
Your article is an argument of "which vaccine may be better", not 1. any inherent dangers in the vaccines that might make people choose not to take them; 2. an exploration of the benefits/risk ratios that might make people choose not to take them. I'm sure that the Chinese would love to see countries buying their vaccine, but the discussion here has to do with people having 1. solid reasonings for why they are hesitant to take any vaccine for this illness; 2. should people be compelled to take a vaccine?
I see the article as a way to undermine trust on the western developed vaccine. I would be skeptical about anything that originates from China. I understand there is many unknowns related to new vaccine technology, but is China behind amplifying the current anti-vaccine stance?
I'm quite positive that the Chinese would introduce doubt with regards to opposing vaccines to theirs...however, they wouldn't want people suspicious of vaccination in total. That's just doing business.
I've read that article; I think the primary focus (for this post) lies within the "Therapeutic considerations and challenges" -- people do have valid concerns that should be addressed. Furthermore, that paper addresses that other studies have pointed to less glowing outcomes from some of the trials. Considering the age of the paper, it tells me that people are reasonable in wanting further studies.....and the way this vaccine rollout happened are not alleviating them in the slightest on both fronts.
I made up my own mind on this experimental gene therapy. I'm not going to trust it because fauci told me to. I'm also not going to trust it because China doesn't want me to.
Yeah China definitely wants Americans to stand up for personal and medical freedom rather than being subjected to medical tyranny, Covid passports / social credit scores and experimental max vaccination.
Kind of like how the Russians rigged 2016 for Trump, right?
Still my favorite UK women's deadlifting champ.
No one that has had confirmed case with antibodies should have to take it. I am ready and willing to take that to court and something tells me Dr.Rand Paul talking to Dr. Faucci tells me he will sue or do something also. Listen to the dialogue
Stay away from the vaccine as long as you can. The vaccine was not made for the scamdemic, the scamdemic was made for the vaccine.
My workplace is pushing it heavily on us, they made slick infographics on how the vaccines are "super safe, it's science guys!" and the CDC will even let us GATHER INSIDE with other people once we get it!!
I keep having to hold myself back from firing an angry email in reply to the entire organization. First off, the vaccines are NOT FDA approved, second, they are only authorized for emergency use, and third, as a scientist I refuse to have experimental drugs injected into my bloodstream.
I haven't had this even mentioned at work yet, but my question for them will be "will you be financially liable for my death and will you pay my husband for the loss of my life?" I'd leave my job, but not many are in my position to do so. I think if people start questioning who is liable for any side effects/death or permanent disability will make some companies reconsider their stance. If the pharmaceutical companies aren't liable, who is?
We the taxpayers are liable, just like we are for all vaccines. Read up on the Vaccine Court, which is where aggrieved parties go when they are harmed from a vaccine. The pharmaceutical companies are insulated from liability.
We already know the answer is no. Vaccine companies are immune to lawsuits, and have been for years.
I realize the vaccine companies are immune, I was speaking about the employers who are attempting to force or coerce their employees to get the injection as a condition of employment. So we know Pfizer or whoever is immune from paying out to families of deceased lab rats (us) but if your employer forces you to get jabbed as a condition to remain employed, are they then liable to pay your family for the loss of your life should it come to that? It was their requirement to continue working to support your family so who's responsible for your family when your job murdered you? What if you become disabled by the injection and can't ever go back to work? Whose fault? Who's gonna pay? Taxpayers, I know. What a world we're living in that this even has to be thought of. My employer is not included in my healthcare decisions and they should not have a right to dictate my medical choices.
Ugh, I hadn't even thought of that. It's worse than I thought.
At this point I think it would be your best response if a company mandates you to get a vaccine:
will they accept complete liability for when the vaccine creates a bad side effect?
Agreed! If my company forces me, I'll have to get fired. I get a flu shot every year because it helps if I get sick and only had the flu (or covid) Dec 2019. I've been around folks who've had covid but haven't got sick from it yet.
Fuck any company that forces you to get the shot. There will be so many damn lawsuits you wonder if thats there plan to take over our country.
I wonder everyday if this is the fall of the empire and there's a foundation somewhere on an island waiting for the world to start over.
we can thank corporate personhood for that
yeah that was incredibly evil too, giving corporations the same rights, or even more, than actual people.
THIS. I don't mind the drug companies for getting a pass on the wanton deaths that will continue to follow but anyone that PUSHES people to get it under threat of repercussions should be ONE. HUNDRED. PERCENT. Liable.
I think you're onto something here.
I'm going to see if I can arrange a couple of trial balloons to test this.
That’s a good Point. My company (health insurance) has just made us pledge to get the vaccine but we don’t have to get it.
Don't bring attention to yourself.
I already have blank vax cards filled out with bogus info. I will not be complying with any vaccination scheme
I think that you should do exactly that. Send a company wide email detailing out just what you said here. Then dare them to harass you over it. There are miles of lawsuits over this crap just waiting to be filed and won.
If possible, send from an HR mailbox--unless you are HR.
I'd be willing to bet that there's not a single person on this site who works in HR.
That is probably the most woke of all woke professional fields.
#SuperWoke.
HR is where losers go who don't have any skills, were rejected by the big government jobs, and had nowhere else to go. "When I grow up, I want to work in HR!" Said no kid ever. Any job where your primary duties are dedicated to data entry and setting up mandatory meetings on sexual harassment, etc. with the canned, out of the box materials they purchase, isn't professional at all. Any halfwit boob could do this.
The job basically consists of SJW endeavors, and being paid to be on social media as a job requirement.
Think about how much they enjoy inflicting obedience on their superiors who are afraid of being cancelled?
I bet it's become a sought after position more in recent years as they've gained so much power.
"personnel is for assholes"
Dirty Harry
Right but that would probably involve getting fired, interrupting my career, and then trying to figure out a good way to sue for damages (including punitive, because the goal is to punish them)
Talk to a lawyer first then and instead of a company wide email send it to heads of all departments. Someone will leak it.
At this point my faith in government and ngo organizations ability to accurately assess risk is 0
Work retail. my job is offering to give us $40 for each shot
Then why's Trump call it a medical miracle?
Maybe it is. Who knows.
The fact of the matter is that it's still in the experimental phase and NOBODY should be forcing it on us if we don't want it. My wife has had both shots and she appears to be fine - for now.
I refuse to take it and tell anyone to fuck off if they give me shit about it. Exercise your right of free will and be vocal about it.
Because it is. All of the experts stated that a vaccine could not come out within a year.
There has been about 50 million people who have gotten the vaccine. There has been 354 anaphylactic reactions and probably dozens of deaths. If you think this is a lot, please apply your numerical standard for covid to it.
They lied about HCQ and ivermectin. Something is wrong.
The dark horse here is that it is impossible to speed up “long term.” If the vaccine caused wildly deadly cancers at a median time of, say, three years, we would have literally no way of knowing. We can’t throw money at time to make it go by faster.
Yes, this is also true of covid itself (for those “b-b-b-bUt wHaT aBoUt lOnG cOvId”). However, we will, by definition, always have more long term data about covid than the vaccines. This is because the vaccines must exist after covid has been circulating in the wild.
Also, it’s false to equate this vaccine with the platform (that has been in development for decades) if it’s also false to equate covid with other coronaviruses.
Go back to Germany, shill.
God, you're an idiot. A vaccine could not come out within a year because they're supposed to go through five years of longterm testing, which they skipped for this vaccine. Cutting corners is not a miracle.
Look at your first statement. No vaccine has came to market in under 5 years. No animal trials. Unknown long term effects. I remember when the FDA allowed Oxycontin to be marketed as non-addictive. Look how that turned out. I don't fucking think so. My body, my choice.
Forced vaccines are coming. Be armed.
Hey! What happened to my body my choice？
That only applies to those that are woke.
Oh man, let me break this down for you, sweetie.
it is NOT ok for the government to stop me from stabbing a baby to death. It’s MY choice.
but it IS ok to stab YOU with a diseased needle.
Jacobson v. Massachusetts
"The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state."
Our right to choose was taken away in 1905. People have had over 100 years to fight back and get that overturned and it hasn't been. "My body, my choice" came well after with the abortion movement. Conveniently (for them) it is still used only for abortion in states that do engage in mandatory vaccination for schools etc.
This is a do or die (or permanently sterilize or the rest of the risk list) moment where we need to get this ruling OFF the books once and for all.
If we can get rid of old laws in Michigan that enabled our governor to unconstitutionally extend her emergency powers, then we can get rid of this ruling. Problem comes in with our current US Supreme Court excelling at being Supreme Cucks and upholding clearly unconstitutional laws/mandates in the last year and change. This isn't trying to ignore the initial cuck-out of the original ruling itself as it came from the US Supreme Court back then too though.
Wrong choice words 🙃
The new Double Arm Initiative sponsored by the CDC and the United Nations. Government officials will come to inject you with the latest vaccine AND take your guns. Government efficiency!
Ben Shapiro is practically defending it.
he'd lose his audience of 70+ year old George Bush lovers if he said anything else
The very same “authorities” who killed thousands thanks to their disinformation and censorship regarding COVID are the same ones claiming to have insight into the long term effects of an experimental gene modification agent. But, trust the science, bigot!
Dr fauXi "we lied to you about masks because we didn't want to run out for ourselves. Now that we secured deals with china on PPE everyone must wear 5
Yes, and please ignore the penis-shrinking chemicals added to the Chy-Nah masks, bigots! 😷
^THIS.
Nothing is clear.
To add to what he said.
People who are attempting to do this to you are NOT LIBERAL.
THEY ARE NOT LIBERAL!!!!!
THEY ARE NOT LIBERALS!!!!!
THEY ARE NOT LIBERALS!!!!!!!!
STOP CALLING THEM LIBERALS!!!
They are LEFTISTS, not liberals. Go watch Dannis Prager videos to learn the difference.
They're actually GLOBALISTS. They've done the same shit in Israel where they have a supposedly 'right' government. Right parties all over Europe as well as Boris Johnson in the UK support vaccine passports just as much as the left.
What's the point of getting vaxed if we still have to wear a face diaper and socially distance? What's the incentive and benefit?
🇺🇸 DENNIS PRAGER: LIBERAL AND LEFT ARE NOT THE SAME! https://www.bitchute.com/video/R3zD7ISNf8tT/
There isn't any real difference between the two since they both vote exactly the same.
There’s big difference. Liberals are an opponent, leftists are an enemy. Liberals can coexist with you and reason with you, leftists can’t. They see you as heretics to their religion, therefore you must be silenced, and you must be ostracized from society.
I know they have ideological differences, but they both vote for leftists. politically, they are the same exact threat.
a conservative wouldn't vote for a fascist but a liberal would vote for a communist. its true and its how we arrived in this situation to begin with. if there was any pushback from liberals, there wouldn't be any leftists. alas, there is no practical difference between them. they are both enemies to our country.
There’s great political realignment over the past four years. Many liberals became conservatives - at least relatively conservative on the political spectrum compared to the woke mob, meanwhile many conservatives revealed themselves as cuckservatives and voted democrats. The worst of those in congress voted WITH the democrats, others grandstood to democrats without really doing anything. That’s one of Trump’s legacy. He reshaped then political landscape. So don’t count the liberals out. They’ll get it when they get cancelled - for not being woke enough.
If you're on the left you're on the left. Liberals are on the left.
There’s no left and right, only elites and peasants, the WOKE church and the outsiders.
Only that's not true. All us peasants clearly aren't on the same page or side so take that commie bullshit elsewhere.
No we're not, but they are. The church of leftism, which can be dated back to the garden of Eden, as their core tenet is the exact lie that Satan told Eve - "Ye shall be like God." That's the only explanation for the war they wage on reality.
Anyone still on the left is an enemy of freedom. Liberal or otherwise
You don't get it. They are not LIBERAL as far as the definition of the actual word and what it means.
Don't tell me about the "classical liberalism" argument. DemoKKKrats don't get to just hijack words and change the meanings so we have to add "classical" in front of the true meaning. Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN. That's not a "classical" definition of marriage. That's the 2,000+ year old long standing and true definition of the word.
Nah. Just dirty leftist trying to infiltrate.
The vaccine is the line in the sand. Why? Because you would be following orders from a totalitarian usurping overclass to give up a basic human right; ownership of your body, it has no medical advantage. I will blame you as much as any other leftist for the future.
Yes. Pushing this vaccine on people is political. I totally agree. My refusal to take it is also political.
He sees what they are doing. Grooming everyone.
Zuby Knows
Yeah well...that's the same logic that should have applied to everything else that's happened up until now, too, like lockdowns and mask mandates. And we've seen how that's gone. They've succeeded in creating an environment where not going with the herd gets you labeled a nut and ostracized. Change my mind, unless you live in TX or FL.
MY BODY, MY CHOICE, YA BITCHES!
Somehow we've gotten to a world where casually asking someone what country they are from can get you fired, but aggressively demanding people reveal personal medical information is laudable.
You still can’t go back to normal even if you take the vaccine. Ridiculous!
Exactly! So what's the incentive? Air travel? A pony? Don't make me laugh.
Don't you get it? In the hopes that if we line up every year for their new booster to kill off and sterilize people we (might) get the chance to hug grandma again!
I have friends and family who are so excited that they "can finally see people in a month" and it takes everything in me not to pull a Morpheus.
"What if I told you.... you could always see people. You can even go see people right now."
Updoot times 1000
Grandma will be dead before she ever gets a hug again. They are in the middle of successfully wiping out history right now and Gma and Gpa are in the fact checkers way. We are next. They can’t successfully indoctrinate us the same way they can indoctrinate someone already born plugged into the system...because they don’t know life as we once knew it to be...
Chilling
Not to mention requiring experimental vaccines is against the Nuremberg Code.
They'll let some sort of critical mass hit of people bringing that up, mention it on the news for a week or two so normies can hate the group "holding back society", and then the FDA will swap the "vaccine" to an "approved" status regardless as to whether it should have been or not. Then the government will use Jacobson v. Massachusetts to force it on everyone trapped in a blue state (including people like me in MI, though I won't go down without a fight).
So stressing the experimental part isn't going to accomplish anything and we'll be just as at-risk of the side effects of an experimental vaccine because the bureaucracy will be manipulated to screw us.
We need to get to a point where they can't require any vaccine for people.
it is. Sorry to the weak and scared out there but my vaccination status is none of your goddamn business
Exactly never heard them bitching about flu shots, and I'm pretty certain I never got one of those
I once got a really nice umbrella from my firm for taking their flu shot. The next year there were no more "free gifts," so I refrained from the annual push to vax everyone. Caught the flu once in about 20 years. No biggie.
For this ridiculous flu, there is no gift tempting enough, not even air travel, dining out, going to a sports event (as if!), etc. Nah.
What? You don't want a free Krispy Kreme?
*yes, that was sarcasm
Mind boggles at the people for whom a cheap processed sugar snack is an incentive to be lab rats.
The Branch Covidians don’t even need an incentive. I know people who drove halfway across the country just to get the shot.
SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist. There are no isolated samples of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Any sample that is "isolated" has been contaminated with foreign DNA (either monkey or cancer cells).
Ok, China.
Prove me wrong. Show me a paper. All the one's I've seen do not have a pure isolated sample.
I agree with you, but I'm trying to bolster this argument.
Measles has never been isolated either, but we have an ostensibly successful vaccination & I'm pretty sure it's fair to suggest that Measles exists. How would you claim this is different? Also, I'm wondering what percentage of viruses have been successfully isolated to your standard.
it should not require jacked up PCR tests to show something exists unless you're scamming people based on common cold or other random shit in their system
Funny how Sars-Cov-2 is so hard to detect even when it completely overwhelms people's immune systems, so they say
Wondering if you've seen my other reply.
Has measles really not been isolated? I find that hard to believe. Haven't had time to look into it.
It's a hotly contested topic, but a pure isolation of the Measles virus has never been done.
As always, people aren’t acknowledging how serious it is that first world nations are introducing vaccine passes. People in America aren’t acknowledging how serious it is that NY introduced them. Will Americans ever stand up for themselves, if not over the vaccine passes?
You can still contract and transmit the magic disease that you can have and never develop symptoms of even after the RNA protein shots. So you still have to wear a mask and 80% of people will end up with side effects ranging from ouch my arm, to debilitating chills and even death.
So you still have to wear a mask and can still get sick.
It's super effective.
Zuby knows the masks and fake vaccine are white supremacy.
https://patriots.win/p/12hl5I5Gcg/wear-your-mask-slave--masks-are-/c/
As a black man he will naturally frame it as that, but I still agree with him besides the white supremacy bullshit.
I'm merely suggesting that we destroy pseudo-liberal demoKKKrat Regressive Neo-Marxists with their own tactics, or else nullify the tactic once they realize how easily it is used against them.
Let's throw a phrase back at the liberals:
My body, my choice.
And it's a precedent that will be used over and over
My body my choice
My father is worried about being forced to quarantine when he comes up to visit this summer.
I told him he doesn't have to do shit and if they ask, tell them you've already been here for months. Fuck you are the two magic words
This dude is on point like every single time.
Can't he run for something?
"Everyone has different personal risk factors, concerns and considerations."
If only this part was taken more seriously by more people, the world would be more peaceful.
Respecting people's opinions towards music, culture, or whatever - instead of claiming "You don't like my culture? You're racist. Phobic. You must try my culture or you're descriminating against my nation and people"
Forcing shit on people never ends well in my opinion, minds games, intentions, or not.
Zer papers please
All correct. The one challenge here is that even if you take the vaccine you are not given ALL your rights back
I still question the intelligence of those who agree to be human experiments, including that of my own parents. ‘We just want to live normal again.’
Anyone who wants to wear a mask should. Anyone who doesn’t want to wear a mask should not. But then they mandated them everywhere and most idiots went along with it. Doesn’t give me much hope for the vaccine
Especially with these vaccine "passports" being introduced inside the US.
Some people even on this site aren't resisting the masks and just wear them anyway because it's easier and makes everybody else feel better. Those same ones will bend over for the vaccine too.
I'd say common sense shouldn't be knowledge, but I'm still young and make dumb decisions now and then. If these words can shift the direction of just one person, then Zuby, you might have saved somebody.
Run, Zuby, run!
Amen 🙏
I’ll probably get the vaccine, but saying no is all the justify you need for not getting it.
You ever notice how most vaccines we take have a history parallel to humanity and other than vaccination we have no way to deal with....
He is right.. we have a Terrible President.
Forced injections would surely be the easiest way to genocide a people.
Nah, I passed the D.A.R.E. program in sixth grade. Just because somebody else does drugs and tells me I should too doesn't mean it's a good idea or that I should.
Trump can say what he wants, but his opinion doesn't and won't affect my decision.
Zuby is reasonable. People who want it should take it. People who don't want it, should not.
If only this website was full of reasonable Zubys and not full of nutjobs who still think covid is a hoax.
I mean come on guys, obviously the vaccine isn't fake. The level of conspiracy it would require to keep an adverse vaccine under wraps, the amount of people it would require absolute secrecy to maintain makes such a conspiracy literally impossible.
It's a real vaccine.
That being said, the virus itself isn't remotely deadly unless you have very high risk factors. If you don't want to take it, by all means, don't take it. But please don't propagate bullshit like it's a fake vaccine without the slightest hint of fucking proof.
The vaccine is fake, in the sense that it's not a vaccine at all. It is a shot, yes, but that's where the similarities end. Whereas a vaccine introduces the immune system to a virus in order to develop future immunity to it, this covid thing is completely different, and the first of its kind. It actually changes how our genes replicate themselves. This has never been done before, and who knows what side effects may manifest in the coming decades.
This guy knows whats up.
I'll take a heroin vaccine before I take the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine
Interesting pov. I'm pretty sure we've had MNra vaccines before though?
No. This is the first mRNA vaccine. mRNA tech was initially developed for other applications (cancer treatment and others). Then covid came along and they turned mRNA gene therapy into a "vaccine".
It's an experimental mRNA vaccine with unknown long term side effects. Even if you read their actual reports used for the emergency authorization they all admit it.
There has never been a mRNA vaccine that made it even to stage 2 trials before. Usually new tech like that takes at least a decade to be approved.
Every person forced or misled to take the vaccine is a victim.
Amen! In fact China is spreading propaganda against the western manifactured vaccines. Sad to see the propaganda has found it's way into this community.
Western scientists warn about covid vaccines. I think you're spreading false information on purpose.
yeah people reporting on their relatives dropping dead is Chinese propaganda.
Nice try there though
Move to Baltimore and walk the streets at night.
I do that. But I'm young, male, wearing a dark hoody and dirty jeans.
One of my friends called me out on it. "Whoa, you walk so different in the city. Your whole body changes. Like you're angry"
Yeah I always walked with a purpose and typically tried not to be alone in certain parts.
You're ignorant.
I prefer Anaconda.
Some will.
You have already been "force vaccinated". Polio, measles, tetanus.. what else? Do not fall into this anti-medicine bullshit. It is coming from China and Russia to damage USA.
Those vaccines were not forced. We had a choice to get our kids vaccinated or not. No one was saying we wouldn’t be allowed at events or on airplanes if we didn’t have them.
The vaccinations for polio, tetanus, etc. are different in type from this one, have a history of effectiveness/reliability, and are for things that really can kill a lot of people or cause great harm (life in an iron lung would be no fun; lockjaw is a helluva bad way to go).
The Coof shot isn't them.
Still should not be mandatory no matter what the historical effectiveness is. People should have the right to make up their own minds.
Different in a sense, that they have been developed with the decades of accumulated vaccine knowledge and research. And that Trump accelerated the development by allowing simultaneous parallel testing to combat a pandemic.
From what I have seen, coof is also helluva way to go.
Well, nobody likes to die -- but...what are the statistics with regards to fatality?
I'm not a vaccine expert, but I sure as hell would not spread China's anti-vaccine propaganda: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212939.shtml
Whatever. I know this is the first time an mRNA vaccine has been used -- I don't blame people for being hesitant.
Your article is an argument of "which vaccine may be better", not 1. any inherent dangers in the vaccines that might make people choose not to take them; 2. an exploration of the benefits/risk ratios that might make people choose not to take them. I'm sure that the Chinese would love to see countries buying their vaccine, but the discussion here has to do with people having 1. solid reasonings for why they are hesitant to take any vaccine for this illness; 2. should people be compelled to take a vaccine?
You have good points.
I see the article as a way to undermine trust on the western developed vaccine. I would be skeptical about anything that originates from China. I understand there is many unknowns related to new vaccine technology, but is China behind amplifying the current anti-vaccine stance?
Here's a western article published 2018 in Nature on mRNA vaccines: "mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology" https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
I'm quite positive that the Chinese would introduce doubt with regards to opposing vaccines to theirs...however, they wouldn't want people suspicious of vaccination in total. That's just doing business.
I've read that article; I think the primary focus (for this post) lies within the "Therapeutic considerations and challenges" -- people do have valid concerns that should be addressed. Furthermore, that paper addresses that other studies have pointed to less glowing outcomes from some of the trials. Considering the age of the paper, it tells me that people are reasonable in wanting further studies.....and the way this vaccine rollout happened are not alleviating them in the slightest on both fronts.
Go back to reddit
Please don’t bring your anti vax bullshit here. If you want yourself or your kids to get polio or measles and die you can keep it to yourself
I would ask you not to bring that authoritarian and small minded attitude in here as well.
It’s small minded to reject decades old safe vaccines that prevent horrendous diseases from killing kids?
Sorry, you’re just an idiot.
Don't let me distract you from your boomer MSM
China is spreading anti-vaccine propaganda. Make sure not to fall for it: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/news/china-vaccine-diplomacy-aggressive-anti-124025635.html
A broken clock is right twice a day.
I made up my own mind on this experimental gene therapy. I'm not going to trust it because fauci told me to. I'm also not going to trust it because China doesn't want me to.
Yahoo News :D
You missed the point. You can follow the links on that article to anti-western-vaccine news directly from China.
Yeah China definitely wants Americans to stand up for personal and medical freedom rather than being subjected to medical tyranny, Covid passports / social credit scores and experimental max vaccination.
Kind of like how the Russians rigged 2016 for Trump, right?
Like it or not, many of you are repeating China's talking points on the vaccine.