When the Suez canal was built ships were much smaller. It was built as cheap as possible by just digging an open ended ditch that is affected by tides, and heavy winds. It is 120 miles long and narrow in most places. If emergency locks had been built into it at least in four, or five places tides would not be a problem. Then in a case such as this locks could be closed, and flooded to refloat a stuck ship. That might take a day or two but would be easy. While little is being said about the cause of this grounding the cause is very clear. In a 8 knot speed zone the Captain was traveling at 15 knots (over 18 MPH). A gust of strong wind pushed the ship off course, and because of the speed he was unable to have time to correct. Traffic through the Canal in monitored, and in fact moves by convoys in line. That means the Canal authority not only knew of the excessive speed, but violated their own regulations as the entire convoy had to be speeding. Luckily there wasn't a chain of collisions, so the ships were well spaced. Thank God for that !
Agree with much you said, but these ships are run by supercomputers, it would have immediately corrected for the winds which were about 40 mph, no big deal, and the usual speed for these ships is about 12 mph, so 18 is not a big deal either.
I think the computer system was quite possibly hacked by some govt that has a bone to pick with Egypt, espec as Egyptian two commuter trains did a major head on collision at the same time. Someone sending a message?
Now who profits? The oil resellers as the price goes through the roof, the EU suffers as much of the goods that are blocked are EU bound, who gains if the EU suffers?
The cost of the group that is trying to launch the ship is 400 million an HOUR, that will have to be covered by who? The insurance companies, the Egyptian govt?
Also, those backed up ships still have to go through customs, who might profit by a rushed inspection of so many ships?
A lot to think about with this, lastly could this be Biden's Dark Winter getting underway with the blockade of oil now that he has ended fracking??
A ship that long, and 200' tall with a "sail effect" on all that sidewall amounts to how much horse power in a 40 mph wind ? Even with Super Computer programs it all comes down to the side screws, and rudder trying to overcome a push by the wind at high speed with little time to take affect in a narrow channel. Otherwise the only other answer is that the Captain just drove that ship into the bank. Also get your facts straight. The cost of 40 million an hour is hundreds of ships sitting blocked, the loss of revenue to the Canal, and world trade ! Your grabbing at straws, and looking at shadows.
First the wind.
Not buying a ridiculous cover story like "the wind did it" when the area is always windy and no ship has ever been grounded by wind in that canal in over 100 years. The computer should have corrected any wind induced navigational errors faster than "instantly."
Further 40 mph winds mean "Twigs and small branches are broken from trees, walking is difficult" according to the Beaufort Wind Scale http://marinewaypoints.com/marine/wind.shtml
This is an OCEAN GOING container ship, the largest in the world, there is no way a wind that breaks "twigs" is going to run it aground. That is your straw, your shadow.
400 million
I stand corrected, I read a quote saying that the work was costing 400/million an hour and misunderstood the reference.
That ship is nowhere like ships in the past 100 years. It is also unlike the vast number of ships today. But whatever. I just find it amusing that you think massive ships respond instantaneously to course corrections like a Formula 1 car. They start course changes miles in advance. They are long, and heavy and far from responsive. The reason they need several tug boats in port.
A positive spin on this mess, lets just forget about it and ok back to the free donuts krispy creams giving if you get the plan-demon shot. Its good for 1 donutz a day for a year. Homer likey.
One crane that can reach over 200 feet needs to remove how many of 18,300 containers some weighing as much as 25 to 40 tons. That will take how long ? Then the heavier more important containers would be lower on the deck or in cargo holds as low as possible. The other plan of dredging 350,000 cubic meters of sand at 2,000 cubic meters an hour will take 15 days at least. In the meantime 90,000 gallons of ballast water (360 tons) has been pumped out in an attempt to lighten, and float her. That failed. She is now top heavy, and unbalance only stable because she is grounded. As they remove the sand from her bow, and stern her midsection remains stressed. She could break in two, and or as they remove sand capsize from lack of ballast. It's a catch 22 because if they replace ballast she will settle even more ! If either happens (Breaks or Capsizes) the canal will be blocked for a year, or more while the wreak is dismantled. It doesn't look good.
I hope this is true! But I came across the receipt of the vessel is stuck on two Continents, so wouldn't it have to be the decision of 2 country's presidents? Just saying that legal crap shits all over a good argument. High sea's shenanigans.
When the Suez canal was built ships were much smaller. It was built as cheap as possible by just digging an open ended ditch that is affected by tides, and heavy winds. It is 120 miles long and narrow in most places. If emergency locks had been built into it at least in four, or five places tides would not be a problem. Then in a case such as this locks could be closed, and flooded to refloat a stuck ship. That might take a day or two but would be easy. While little is being said about the cause of this grounding the cause is very clear. In a 8 knot speed zone the Captain was traveling at 15 knots (over 18 MPH). A gust of strong wind pushed the ship off course, and because of the speed he was unable to have time to correct. Traffic through the Canal in monitored, and in fact moves by convoys in line. That means the Canal authority not only knew of the excessive speed, but violated their own regulations as the entire convoy had to be speeding. Luckily there wasn't a chain of collisions, so the ships were well spaced. Thank God for that !
Agree with much you said, but these ships are run by supercomputers, it would have immediately corrected for the winds which were about 40 mph, no big deal, and the usual speed for these ships is about 12 mph, so 18 is not a big deal either.
I think the computer system was quite possibly hacked by some govt that has a bone to pick with Egypt, espec as Egyptian two commuter trains did a major head on collision at the same time. Someone sending a message?
Now who profits? The oil resellers as the price goes through the roof, the EU suffers as much of the goods that are blocked are EU bound, who gains if the EU suffers?
The cost of the group that is trying to launch the ship is 400 million an HOUR, that will have to be covered by who? The insurance companies, the Egyptian govt?
Also, those backed up ships still have to go through customs, who might profit by a rushed inspection of so many ships?
A lot to think about with this, lastly could this be Biden's Dark Winter getting underway with the blockade of oil now that he has ended fracking??
A ship that long, and 200' tall with a "sail effect" on all that sidewall amounts to how much horse power in a 40 mph wind ? Even with Super Computer programs it all comes down to the side screws, and rudder trying to overcome a push by the wind at high speed with little time to take affect in a narrow channel. Otherwise the only other answer is that the Captain just drove that ship into the bank. Also get your facts straight. The cost of 40 million an hour is hundreds of ships sitting blocked, the loss of revenue to the Canal, and world trade ! Your grabbing at straws, and looking at shadows.
First the wind. Not buying a ridiculous cover story like "the wind did it" when the area is always windy and no ship has ever been grounded by wind in that canal in over 100 years. The computer should have corrected any wind induced navigational errors faster than "instantly."
Further 40 mph winds mean "Twigs and small branches are broken from trees, walking is difficult" according to the Beaufort Wind Scale http://marinewaypoints.com/marine/wind.shtml
This is an OCEAN GOING container ship, the largest in the world, there is no way a wind that breaks "twigs" is going to run it aground. That is your straw, your shadow.
400 million I stand corrected, I read a quote saying that the work was costing 400/million an hour and misunderstood the reference.
That ship is nowhere like ships in the past 100 years. It is also unlike the vast number of ships today. But whatever. I just find it amusing that you think massive ships respond instantaneously to course corrections like a Formula 1 car. They start course changes miles in advance. They are long, and heavy and far from responsive. The reason they need several tug boats in port.
I find it equally amusing that you think a wind that breaks twigs moves ocean going ships.
OMG. Think about what you just said ! Think real hard. Goodby I'm done.
Let's see if the report on what happened goes with your "wind" theory :)
A positive spin on this mess, lets just forget about it and ok back to the free donuts krispy creams giving if you get the plan-demon shot. Its good for 1 donutz a day for a year. Homer likey.
One crane that can reach over 200 feet needs to remove how many of 18,300 containers some weighing as much as 25 to 40 tons. That will take how long ? Then the heavier more important containers would be lower on the deck or in cargo holds as low as possible. The other plan of dredging 350,000 cubic meters of sand at 2,000 cubic meters an hour will take 15 days at least. In the meantime 90,000 gallons of ballast water (360 tons) has been pumped out in an attempt to lighten, and float her. That failed. She is now top heavy, and unbalance only stable because she is grounded. As they remove the sand from her bow, and stern her midsection remains stressed. She could break in two, and or as they remove sand capsize from lack of ballast. It's a catch 22 because if they replace ballast she will settle even more ! If either happens (Breaks or Capsizes) the canal will be blocked for a year, or more while the wreak is dismantled. It doesn't look good.
I hope this is true! But I came across the receipt of the vessel is stuck on two Continents, so wouldn't it have to be the decision of 2 country's presidents? Just saying that legal crap shits all over a good argument. High sea's shenanigans.
No. the canal is owned, and operated by the Egyptian Canal Authority.