Devil’s advocate, in the grand scale of humanity, the domestication of the orca was done pretty well. Again on the scales of domesticating wild animals. Was it ideal? Of course not, domestication is a particularly ugly process, but all things considered I thought it was done well. That progress is now lost.
I give it about a 100 years, before Japanese “Research” vessels “research” them out of existence. Forgive me for being cynical, but that is the way it is, blackfish wasn’t jarring at all. You want to feel bad for animals? Go to your local animal shelter, where the penalty for not being loved enough by people is death. Are visit a feed lot for cattle, and tell me that’s ethical. And fuck me, I am definitely not some PETA fuckwad either, but I definitely think we can do a lot better with the treatment of animals. By comparison the orcas had it made, spare me.
I am not saying that there are absolutely no aquariums that can accommodate the animal for conservation purposes, but there is a difference between recreating a creature's natural habitat in order to display for educational purposes, and corralling it into a pen and forcing it to beach itself and do tricks to the point of homicidal frustration.
Honestly I’m pro Zoos, I think educating people is more important than just leaving an animal solely in the wild to likely die at a young age anyway. The only thing that got me about sea world was their simple failure to acknowledge what Orcas actually are: Scarily cunning, predatory pack hunters. I couldn’t stand that you have such a marvelous animal but can’t call it or treat it for what it is.
It’s like having a wild wolf saying he’s “cute and cuddly.” He’s cool yes, he’s just not your plushy doll.
I haven't seen Blackfish...but I'll just add that zoos depress the hell out of me. I'm not an animal rights nut either. I spent most of my childhood on my grandfather's farm and had a formative trip to the slaughterhouse when I was about 10 years old, so I'm practical about the role of animals...but it still makes me depressed as hell to see animals on display for our "enjoyment" in terrible conditions that are not at all appropriate for them.
I won’t disagree with you there. This is the perfect parable to what happens when you exchange safety for freedom. Unfortunately, I see zoos as a necessary evil, as it were, for conservation. That being said, there is always room for improvement, but at the end of the day some animals just don’t do well in captivity no matter what and they would probably go extinct otherwise. People are very out of sight, out of mind, so zoo’s at least put a face to an animal that might not otherwise have a chance.
I used to work for the company, and here's my observations on all things Blackfish:
Dawn was the best of the best. If there was a Top Gun of animal trainers, she'd be Viper. I didn't really meet her more than in passing, but she was highly regarded by all the trainers (she was a friend of a friend, so to speak).
Dawn got careless and made a mistake. She was waving her braided ponytail around and Tilikum (Tilly) thought it was a toy. Environmental enrichment (EE, also the sound they make, lol) is a term for providing toys that the dolphins and whales play with so they don't get bored or lethargic. Usually it's things like ropes with buoys attached, rings, balls, giant ice blocks, hunks of Jello, etc. A braid looks an awful lot like a twisted rope, and I think Tilly was like "holy shit, a toy, yes!" Dawn just happened to be connected to that toy.
Once Tilly took her down, there isn't much that could have been done. They've since installed a grate in some of the pools that acts like a strainer and raises from the floor of the pool, to prevent future drownings from happening. Sidebar: Dawn had very little chance for other reasons that are probably too gruesome to discuss here.
Tilly was an exception, as a wild-born animal. Most of the whales and dolphins in the parks were born there, or at another sister park around the world (animals are frequently traded and moved around for genetic diversity). In many instances, animals that are reintroduced to the wild don't survive. Think about it this way: if you're born in a park, you've never seen a live fish, so you've never had to hunt one. You don't know how to properly defend from predators, you don't have a family pod, and you are often seen as a threat to other pods. The only successful alternatives are sea pens, but those aren't really the open ocean and don't really solve the problem that the activists want to solve. There's no good answer.
For weeks after the incident, Jan Pettifor (aka "Shoebag" or "Shoebagga" in car circles) and her merry band of PETA fucktards decided that throwing objects (eggs and discarded food mainly) at cars entering or exiting the employee lot was a great idea. She's the Brit-iot that drives the Lamborghini and Viper with the anti-captivity slogans who has nothing else better to do with her life than orbit up and down Central Florida Parkway. You'd think that she'd care about the environment enough to drive something that got better gas mileage, but you know, liberals are pretty much defined by condescending hypocrisy. I got off fairly easy I suppose, they'd only slap my windows and hurl obscenities at me.
The real tragedy in all this is that the whales and dolphins were actually treated better than the employees. Their health plan was better, even. Jokes aside, I really wish someone would explore the degrading level of abuse that theme park employees have to deal with on a regular basis. The company is not without sin. We got shit pay but that's pretty standard for all theme park workers...I could probably have worked retail or flipped burgers for more. There were also some massive failures in their policies and safety procedures, but that's a story for another day. All I'll say now is that everything changed the moment that InBev signed the paper to buy out Anheuser (A-B treated us very well though and Auggie III was a great person even though he retired by the time I got there; Auggie IV was pretty much an asshole). The level of cost-cutting and general lack of "give a shit" led me to bail a few years later.
The motives behind Blackfish were very opportunistic:
a. Blackfish was produced by Magnolia Pictures
b. Magnolia Pictures is a subsidiary of 2929 Entertainment.
c. 2929 Entertainment also owns Landmark Theatres, a chain geared towards first-run independent films (perfect premiere venues for a film like Blackfish)
d. All of these companies are owned by who? Mark Cuban.
e. Why does Mark Cuban care about SeaWorld? Is he an activist?
f. No, but he is heavily tied to/invested in ABC because of his then-new show Shark Tank. And they can provide cover and a fallback plan if he lost his SEC case in the courts (he ended up being acquitted of insider trading).
g. Who owns ABC?
h. All roads lead to the evil mouse. Always. Always. Always.
i. Tourism had fallen from 2007's highs due to the Recession from 2008-2012.
What's a really good way to pump up your tourism numbers in the cutthroat tourism markets of Central Florida and California? Destroy a rival.
j. To conclude, Mark Cuban was showing his own funded movies at his own theaters, generating Oscar buzz through his media entities, while playing a role in his "employer's" overarching bid to destroy a rival theme park company through bad publicity that they themselves generate through their news division (ABC).
I know it seems like Q-level shit but it seemed so obvious to me at the time, because the economy was already in the toilet, and there was no end in sight. Everyone in the industry was desperate, and when the incident happened, it really felt like kicking us while we're down.
I'm just really glad I'm out of there. I miss my coworkers and the day-to-day job was pretty laid-back most of the time (pre-InBev) but man it's exhausting to even recount all of that.
Thanks. I had to dig out some old notes (most of the research was done in the 2014 time frame) and some things have since changed like Landmark no longer being owned by 2929. But it was true then.
I’ve come to realize that documentaries use all of the same propaganda tactics that fake news does. Actually, it’s often way worse because the well made docs can grab your attention for several hours. There are always crucial facts that they leave out because including them would ruin their narrative. Your post confirms my suspicion that these things can never be trusted. Thanks for providing more context.
I completely agree. I pretty much hate documentaries in general, as there's usually some kind of position being taken for or against something. Even the David Attenborough-narrated nature documentaries push an agenda.
The only ones that comes to mind that aren't like that is Dust to Glory (highly recommend it if you like racing), and the Apollo 11 documentary that just used nat sound from footage shot at the time.
Interesting stuff. I've heard those PETA types are some pretty bad hombres, but that's messed up. The brand rivalry intrigue does sounds quite plausible.
Separately from my own experiences, I believe that Antifa got its start with, or were at least influenced by, some of the more violent environmental-terrorist acts that were perpetrated by PETA, the Earth Liberation Front, and the Sea Shepherd. They realized that they could get way more headlines if they were violent instead of traditional "peace & love" hippies. Places like Portland, Seattle, and the Bay Area of California had a lot of crossover between these groups too.
Not only has sea world done more for marine wildlife rehabilitation than any other company in the world, they also inspire tens of thousands of kids every year to want to help marine life.
If I asked you if you would kill one whale to save a thousand would you do it? Of-fucking-course. That’s what sea world is bro.
And much more secure. If you have unlimited data, only use WiFi at home. Any wifi connection links together all connected devices onto one LAN. If you do not use a VPN, it opens you up to hacking.
Sometimes hotel, coffee shop, etc. public wifi will block VPN protocols. I’ve found I have to switch from TCP to UDP, or the base protocol the client uses.
I always turn on the encrypted VPN whenever I connect to a public wifi access point.
It completely bypasses any and all website controls they put in place.
That's the insecure site. Sometimes you won't be redirected automatically to the secure site, https, did you even try that or was your first thought to get mad?
As if watching Blackfish had not given me reason enough.
Devil’s advocate, in the grand scale of humanity, the domestication of the orca was done pretty well. Again on the scales of domesticating wild animals. Was it ideal? Of course not, domestication is a particularly ugly process, but all things considered I thought it was done well. That progress is now lost.
I give it about a 100 years, before Japanese “Research” vessels “research” them out of existence. Forgive me for being cynical, but that is the way it is, blackfish wasn’t jarring at all. You want to feel bad for animals? Go to your local animal shelter, where the penalty for not being loved enough by people is death. Are visit a feed lot for cattle, and tell me that’s ethical. And fuck me, I am definitely not some PETA fuckwad either, but I definitely think we can do a lot better with the treatment of animals. By comparison the orcas had it made, spare me.
I am not saying that there are absolutely no aquariums that can accommodate the animal for conservation purposes, but there is a difference between recreating a creature's natural habitat in order to display for educational purposes, and corralling it into a pen and forcing it to beach itself and do tricks to the point of homicidal frustration.
Honestly I’m pro Zoos, I think educating people is more important than just leaving an animal solely in the wild to likely die at a young age anyway. The only thing that got me about sea world was their simple failure to acknowledge what Orcas actually are: Scarily cunning, predatory pack hunters. I couldn’t stand that you have such a marvelous animal but can’t call it or treat it for what it is.
It’s like having a wild wolf saying he’s “cute and cuddly.” He’s cool yes, he’s just not your plushy doll.
I haven't seen Blackfish...but I'll just add that zoos depress the hell out of me. I'm not an animal rights nut either. I spent most of my childhood on my grandfather's farm and had a formative trip to the slaughterhouse when I was about 10 years old, so I'm practical about the role of animals...but it still makes me depressed as hell to see animals on display for our "enjoyment" in terrible conditions that are not at all appropriate for them.
I won’t disagree with you there. This is the perfect parable to what happens when you exchange safety for freedom. Unfortunately, I see zoos as a necessary evil, as it were, for conservation. That being said, there is always room for improvement, but at the end of the day some animals just don’t do well in captivity no matter what and they would probably go extinct otherwise. People are very out of sight, out of mind, so zoo’s at least put a face to an animal that might not otherwise have a chance.
I have a problem with the fact the whale wasn't euthanized. Screw animal rights. It killed people.
I used to work for the company, and here's my observations on all things Blackfish:
a. Blackfish was produced by Magnolia Pictures
b. Magnolia Pictures is a subsidiary of 2929 Entertainment.
c. 2929 Entertainment also owns Landmark Theatres, a chain geared towards first-run independent films (perfect premiere venues for a film like Blackfish)
d. All of these companies are owned by who? Mark Cuban.
e. Why does Mark Cuban care about SeaWorld? Is he an activist?
f. No, but he is heavily tied to/invested in ABC because of his then-new show Shark Tank. And they can provide cover and a fallback plan if he lost his SEC case in the courts (he ended up being acquitted of insider trading).
g. Who owns ABC?
h. All roads lead to the evil mouse. Always. Always. Always.
i. Tourism had fallen from 2007's highs due to the Recession from 2008-2012. What's a really good way to pump up your tourism numbers in the cutthroat tourism markets of Central Florida and California? Destroy a rival.
j. To conclude, Mark Cuban was showing his own funded movies at his own theaters, generating Oscar buzz through his media entities, while playing a role in his "employer's" overarching bid to destroy a rival theme park company through bad publicity that they themselves generate through their news division (ABC).
I know it seems like Q-level shit but it seemed so obvious to me at the time, because the economy was already in the toilet, and there was no end in sight. Everyone in the industry was desperate, and when the incident happened, it really felt like kicking us while we're down.
I'm just really glad I'm out of there. I miss my coworkers and the day-to-day job was pretty laid-back most of the time (pre-InBev) but man it's exhausting to even recount all of that.
This wasn’t Q level, this was genuinely insightful. Nice work!
Thanks. I had to dig out some old notes (most of the research was done in the 2014 time frame) and some things have since changed like Landmark no longer being owned by 2929. But it was true then.
I’ve come to realize that documentaries use all of the same propaganda tactics that fake news does. Actually, it’s often way worse because the well made docs can grab your attention for several hours. There are always crucial facts that they leave out because including them would ruin their narrative. Your post confirms my suspicion that these things can never be trusted. Thanks for providing more context.
I completely agree. I pretty much hate documentaries in general, as there's usually some kind of position being taken for or against something. Even the David Attenborough-narrated nature documentaries push an agenda.
The only ones that comes to mind that aren't like that is Dust to Glory (highly recommend it if you like racing), and the Apollo 11 documentary that just used nat sound from footage shot at the time.
Interesting stuff. I've heard those PETA types are some pretty bad hombres, but that's messed up. The brand rivalry intrigue does sounds quite plausible.
Separately from my own experiences, I believe that Antifa got its start with, or were at least influenced by, some of the more violent environmental-terrorist acts that were perpetrated by PETA, the Earth Liberation Front, and the Sea Shepherd. They realized that they could get way more headlines if they were violent instead of traditional "peace & love" hippies. Places like Portland, Seattle, and the Bay Area of California had a lot of crossover between these groups too.
They're like the Brownshirts, but have gone from simply burning books to now burning entire businesses.
Different view than I ever heard, so thanks for that.
You're welcome.
Only an idiot would take that movie seriously.
Not only has sea world done more for marine wildlife rehabilitation than any other company in the world, they also inspire tens of thousands of kids every year to want to help marine life.
If I asked you if you would kill one whale to save a thousand would you do it? Of-fucking-course. That’s what sea world is bro.
That documentary is garbage.
Imagine needing to use wifi at a public place to visit this site.
? I use public WiFi (with a VPN) to check in here almost everywhere.
If you're using public wifi you should probably be on a vpn anyways.
It’s SeaWorld’s wifi, they probably have it filtered up the ass. Probably have the .win domain blocked altogether.
Correct answer. They most likely have everything locked down extremely tight from a web filtering standpoint.
Btw, just use your 4G/5G, it's probably faster than the guest wifi anyway.
And much more secure. If you have unlimited data, only use WiFi at home. Any wifi connection links together all connected devices onto one LAN. If you do not use a VPN, it opens you up to hacking.
https://usagag.com/2020/11/22/list-of-us-companies-secretly-owned-by-china-tesla-microsoft-gm-uber/ Number 49 on that list of USA companies owned or invested into by China.
"49. Sea World Headquarters: Orlando, FA Bought By: Zhonghong Zhuoye Headquarters: China"
This is the reason not to give them money
Who uses public wifi besides the filthy homeless,
Who goes to Seaworld besides the filthy homeless?
If I wanted to look at whales, I'd just go to a BLM/ANTIFA protest anyway.
I never use public WiFi
activate a VPN and go to it.
Sometimes hotel, coffee shop, etc. public wifi will block VPN protocols. I’ve found I have to switch from TCP to UDP, or the base protocol the client uses.
Free my Willy. 🤘
Fuck seaworld for what they did to their dolphins and whales.
Even with a vpn? Also, if you’re not using a vpn on a public network you REALLY should.
I always turn on the encrypted VPN whenever I connect to a public wifi access point. It completely bypasses any and all website controls they put in place.
Guys. VPN? If you dont have and use one at this point your wrong
Lol leftists will eat them soon enough.
That's the insecure site. Sometimes you won't be redirected automatically to the secure site, https, did you even try that or was your first thought to get mad?
Yes and Gab too at Emory hospital.
SeaWorld will always be #3 next to Universal and Disney so, fuck 'em.
How is SeaWorld still a thing?!
Or... Someone has hijacked their dns and are blocking it themselves.