This is the problem. Even if a patriot stands up and takes care of business, 99% of the "conservatives" will instantly turn against him. The justice system will imprison or execute him, he will lose all his friends and family, Trump will condemn him, etc.
You have to remember that you are the enemies of the fascist regime. If you attack at soldiers they won't like it.. you have to act accordingly.. if they attack you feel free to pull out a gun but make sure that you're gone by the time the police arrive. Stop acting like the police or your friends..
you self-defense if you have to. But then fucking run and get out of there and don't leave any evidence for th
Seriously why the fuck are we acting like cops are our friends at all? Fuck them they enforce the horse shit policy's and then say I'm just following order's shit. Time to start acting like our enemies, and mask up cause issues for antifa and disappear. Stop waiting around to speak with the fucking cops. You're going to go to jail they fucking defend the trash.
Obviously, the police are typically going to detain/arrest the person holding a gun, when they arrive on scene, if for no other reason than caution and self-preservation.
The issue is that they often do not arrest the Antifa/BLM vandals/assailants who provoked the self-defense response, particularly in leftist strongholds such as Salem, and when they are arrested, they are often released immediately by sympathetic district attorneys who are unwilling to prosecute leftists.
But then the fucking full force of the government came down on him within a matter of a minute.
This is why we are hesitant. One person alone cannot take these fuckers on.
But if we organize, the glowie fucks that monitor this site will crack down hard and more than half of us will be visited by the FIBS, because that's where their resources go towards. They don't give a shit about actual crime going on. They just want to silence us.
And where does this magical power come from that a bunch of you people seem to think senators have individually? Especially while in the minority party.....
What magical thing do you think they can legally do by themselves while in the minority party?
I'm genuinely curious as to what people like yourself think that they senators can actually legally do besides writing strongly worded letters, when they are in the minority party.....
I agree with your logic. The problem I have, is that we have given them the majority party and they still don’t fight. Ala Paul Ryan, Mitch the turtle and Donald Trump.
People may have misinterpreted what I was trying to say here. Trump wasn't the problem. Republicans had the House, Senate and Presidency but, they still wouldn't do anything. They were stalling and blocking Trump the whole time.
Fuck off you faggot piece of shit. Trump fought while you sat in your mom's basement doing nothing but masturbating to and egging on violent incidents between our side and the left or the govt
Wrong, we elected trump to stand up for whats right and fight the corruption because we are not there. In the end he did not have the stomach to do what the founders would've done months before. Nobody wants to admit but that was our last real chance without atrocities being committed. Now its just a matter of time before the government oversteps and people react sporadically around the country. People are already making plans on encrypted messaging systems and in person. The cia and nsa can hardly catch terrorists with sat phones and couriers i doubt the fbi realizes the fight they are in now.
No. It means YOU are the enemy now.
YOU are the traitor.
And the police will shoot you on sight. All the more if you are white and defending your property, because as we all know now, in this new paradigm, property is oppression.
There needs to be a response to the left though. Losing while puffing your chest out, proud of never sinking as low as them still means you’re in jail as some purple haired fruitloop rapes your wife.
But yeah, don’t ban these faggots, just call them out as a bunch of pussies that love the people that will arrest them for defending themself
Don't be a faggot. We're losing because we buckle under a self-imposed abstract concept of moral superiority.
The left lies, cheats, gaslights, bans, censors and manipulates with impunity and it's time we beat them at their own game. If you're gonna shit on our mods for banning faggotry then you're holding us back.
Because the hate for cancel culture is rooted in pathological moralism. The conservative idea that cancel culture is bad is driven by the fact that it's really only ever used against conservatives, which is our team.
We're perfectly happy to 'cancel' pedos, murderers, actual nazis and communists, and we deport anti-Trump reddit fags too so anyone else who is part of the problem (boot lickers etc) are perfectly liable for banning. This is a forum for patriots, not the town square.
Don't let the idiot box gaslight you into believing that thumbs are a unit of measure.
They're about as accurate as your average presidential poll (or ballot count).
Thumbs are no substitution for discourse.
And give it a rest with this fbi lurker conspiracy crap. You really think those lazy ass numbskulls give more than a passing glance to this site at best?
Are you a shill too? There is undeniable proof of FBI actively trying to demoralize and control us. What do you think all those comments calling for violence are
Until a few friends rock up together ready to party. As a blue pig tries to give Antifa permission to wreck innocent peoples stuff, he can join the party too
Title 18 section 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law.
If prosecutors won't charge the cops with this for attempting to enforce unconstitutional laws, get 2% of the registered voters in the county to empanel a citizens grand jury to investigate if the police are breaking the law.
A CGJ can be called EVEN JUST ON SUSPISION of a crime, so we don't need to wait until they start shooting to do it.
Once the citizens grand jury gets called they will start acting right. Like any jury trial, theres a greater than 0 chance someone just decides to nullify and let the government off. But when they realize that there is an outside body that has full discretion on what they are looking for, not letting them investigate themselves, they wont feel invulnerable.
Needs to be done in every state to investigate fraud as well. We need to get all the MAGA county chairs Bannon is filling the republican party with to coordinate on this.
2% of the citizens of Marion County, Oregon (where Salem is) is approximately 6,956. I highly doubt one could muster that much support in Ore-welli-gon
Thats really not that much, especially if its framed as police brutality/overreach. Citizens grand juries are just Grand Juries used as originally intended, not under the control of any branch of the government.
“CGJ’s” can decide whether or not to prosecute, ie bring a case. They dont determine guilt then and there, thats for a jury of peers. Peers used to mean people that actually knew you too... but thats another conversation. The erosion of our rights has gone on for a while now.
They could also refuse to take up a case brought by a gov prosecutor, William Penn was spared in this way when he was charged for preaching quakerism. So Pennsylvania is evidence of the power of the grand jury.
The grand jury had so much power because they were the “consent of the governed”. The government had to bring its case to a panel of randomly selected jurists before it could prosecute someone. I wonder why they subverted it?
There are definitely wackos who say the flags using gold trim means we are under maritime law or other such nonsense, so i understand the sentiment.
Ill offer some clarification, you are correct. The term is used to draw attention to the fact that grand juries as currently used are different from their original use and purpose.
According to several supreme court decisions after the 1947 federal civil crimes act (going off memory here if the name is not 100% accurate) that “changed” the function of the grand jury, the grand jurys scope and purpose are the same as they were and, like usual, unelected bureaucrats have tried to rewrite the constitution by changing definitions and appealing to authority.
The constitution means what it says. The words mean what they meant at the time it was written. The constitution can only be changed in one way, and writing a contradictory law or act is not the way.
Our Constitution is not divinely protected, nor does it have some inherent power of self-preservation. It is just words on a piece of parchment; because, we abandoned its principles long ago. Is it really wonder that we now abandon the very precepts?
How long are people going to believe in some mystical power that will save us? The time for legal recourse has passed. It's time to give up the study of the liberal arts for the martial arts.
The reason we point to the constitution in this case, is because if we are going to ask people to put everything on the line to stand up to the monster that is the globalist machine, it needs to be more than just little old me asking them.
If you are an American you swore an oath to uphold and protect the constitution against all threats, foreign AND domestic. If they are shown the constitution is being attacked and don't join the effort to defend it, they swore a false oath. Men have a sense of honor and duty, and invoking that in them is how to get them to buy in.
Read into the American Revolution, they didnt all just wake up one morning and decide to rebel. They gave the British every chance to do the right thing, tried every nonviolent means of achieving justice available, and built an alliance of all of the leaders in the country.
Thomas Paine published "Common Sense" and "The American Crisis" to get people acquainted to the idea.
Hamilton, Madison and others put out the federalist papers, to deliberate on the finer details what the day to day operations of an independent government should be.
George Washington, a man above reproach, respected by everyone and proficient in war, gave the patriots confidence that they had a fighting chance and moral standing. Not just to the Americans either, if the Colonists had not convinced the French to come to their side we would have lost the revolution. Optics matter in that sense.
EDIT: Forgot to tie it all in, basically this is going to take longer than the next election cycle to unfuck. We need to start laying the groundwork and dig in for the long haul to win this. The urge to just do something to change everything really fast will backfire in a huge way and honestly I think they are baiting us to.
I dunno. I doubt many .mil spouses attended the rally, that's one thing they can lie to themselves with "Dindu". But I reckon if orders come down to forcibly enter their own homes and take their own protection, there's gonna some dynamics we haven't seen yet. The conditioning isn't complete yet, but they're sure working on it.
Lemme add a spez: ain't saying the idea is invalid, just saying we're not there yet in terms of viability. Unless they're trying to spark something, cause that's what'll happen.
The military aren’t a threat though. Isn’t that just an organization about being inclusive and diverse? It’s not like they’re a fighting force. Or something...
You are correct. Both the brown shirts and the communists used the same tactics. Hitler of course killed off the brownshirts when he rose to power and they became a threat to his control.
Hitler was a socialist. Head of the National Socialist party. Before he started that party he started and ran the German Peoples workers party. Hermann Raschning and other people that knew HItler before and after his rise make it very clear that he based his beliefs on Marx and that the Communists were globalists and not nationalist.
"Antifaschistische Aktion (German: [ˌantifaˈʃɪstɪʃə ʔakˈtsi̯oːn]) was a militant anti-fascist organisation in the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933.
What is important is the Brownshirts had support from the government in order to take out their political enemy. Something Antifa has now as seen in the video. Tacit approval of the activity. The FBI went so far as to say they do not exist.
If someone intentionally puts or attempts to put a foreign object through my window, that’s an attempt to seriously injure or kill me and they are getting an appropriate response. I won’t have to take the time to rack one either.
"liberating" is almost the opposite. You're not free you're locked down, scared, trapped in a shitty situation with no escape fighting for something stupid. People close to you die and you have no choice but to keep fighting. War sucks. A lot.
I disagree, there are some serious problems with the police. But a police for is needed. Let's be smart about what power they have and what checks are available to the people.
I'd rather have locally accountable (electable) sheriffs. Not security forces of the state that don't answer to anyone but the highest bidder, which is always the government.
You cannot clean up a corrupt police force by making smart rules regarding power and checks or balances. The only way is to get rid of all corrupt cops entirely, as one rotten apple spoils the bushel. Today, the entire bushel has been spoiled. Only solution is to toss it out.
Same as the biblical tale of building a house on the sand. When the rains come down, it will wash away. Rules on a corrupt police force will wash away at the first sign of difficulty.
Get rid of the entire justice system from top to bottom is the only good solution - all other solutions are only temporary patches to make a pig look pretty.
There is a need for police yes, but the current police system and the current officers not willing to stand up for whats right. They need to go and if they stand up for tyranny then they deserve anything that happens to them. I am tired of backing police when they don't deserve it.
Clearly the police force is doing something about the crowd physically attacking this man and his property. Arresting him. This police force against the man defending himself and not against the crowd attacking him was definitely needed.
Yup, but MUH THIN BLUE LINE. 🤣 Blue line dick suckers here are the worst IMHO. If the reaction to the last years events by LEO all around the country haven’t woken people up to the truth, nothing will. You are on your own, and if you dare to do the job of enforcing and following the constitution, they will make you pay. You may beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride that the state and the media put you though. Remember, the process is the punishment.
Contrary to the popular belief here, LEO are not our friends. They are the HR department for the government on steroids. If you’re an exemplary citizen/employee that somehow causes any type of stress/heartache for the government/company, they will do everything in their power to destroy you even if what you are doing is morally right and/or makes them follow their own company polices, that they refuse to abide by(oath to the constitution). This is often done in order to save/siphon money and/or protect other protected class employees/citizens while establishing more control and power over anyone willing to stand up for themselves. Don’t believe me, just look at what has gone on since chyna flu/Fent Floyd has gone on. Even before that, look what has been done to trump, Flynn, and Stone among others. It’s blatantly obvious.
There is also the issue of job security. Self reliance by citizens is not in the PD's own best interest so they'll come down on any citizen doing for themselves, orders or not. They're no different from any other government agency that require people to be totally reliant on them for their own selfish interests.
Unfortunately when the third world is running wild in the first world, first world justice is no longer applicable. Add the fact that the “justice” system has been subverted and isn’t and can no longer work as intended, and we live in 🤡🌎.
The justice system and its “enforcers” have proven time and time again that they actually protect the morally corrupt criminals from the moral law abiding citizenry while at the same time penalizing and arresting them for enforcing morality that the state refuses to. We all have to stop living in the world the way we wish it was and start living in it the way it actually is. 🤷🏼♂️
My reply to another post on the issue.
“ Go check my history If you still believe I don’t know what the large majority of what street/beat cops deal with. I know all to well the type of animals encounter and general evil and hatred they receive at any given time/encounter. I also never said all cops everywhere are enforcing mask laws all the time. I’m saying there are examples out there even on video where one POS LEO does push the issue and his coworkers back him instead of calling him out on his bullshit. Shame by your peers and equals is a hell of a deterrent, and we have very little of that in many if not all of said cases. These are the LEOs that make up the majority of the problem in this country IMHO. It’s not the ones we see and witness doing the actual unconstitutional and cowardice acts, but the ones who just stand by and allow it to happen, and that makes up at least, and I think I’m being kind with this figure, 50% of LEO that participate in the system in any capacity from the top to the bottom. I’m talking Judges, DAs, and all the way down to street level LEOs.
I know you’re not going to like this, but the agnostic/fence sitting LEOs are not the only reason, but a huge part of the reason they are in the situation they’re in now IMHO. They thought they were going to be able to just keep on coasting by without picking the side of morality and their oath to the constitution and that their elected communists masters wouldn’t throw them under the bus. THEY WERE WRONG!!! They made their bed and now they’re are being forced to lie in it, unfortunately many good moral LACs are suffering because of it also, and I’m sure there will be many more. You will never understand how difficult it is for me to say these things, but I never avoid the harsh unapologetic truths.
Just the OSP. PPB has had enough of this shit. That's why antifa is in Salem. Same with SPD up north. antifa insurgents will be residing guantanamo instead of in the streets.
If you are antifa and you are reading this, you might as well quit now.
That's a great snapshot of today and the society we live in.
White officer given medal for stopping white supremacy by white man who was defending his property against other white people who claimed to support black people.
There is no reason to assume that a compulsory monopoly of violence, once acquired…by any State rulers, will remain ‘limited’ to protection of person and property. Certainly, historically no government has long remained ‘limited’ in this way.
This government does NOT have a monopoly on violence, however. We acknowledge this in the Constitution, in laws--and the reservation of that resort to ourselves means that we have an attendant responsibility to enforce it.
If tyrants take it from us, it is because we let them.
Absolutely.. I lived in Cali, NY and the Midwest.. Fuck the rest of the country.
Castle law, No retreat law, Stand your ground law, Shall issue concealed weapons permits (If you didn't catch it.. I said Weapons permit. not gun permit any weapon...).
I understand.. The population boom was annoying for me in Colorado when we legalized weed.. Can't ski anymore because of 5 hour drives which should be 1 hour. But we got a bunch of useless fuckheads moving in, true Americans moving to Texas and Florida will hopefully be a good thing for you. Be prepared for more traffic, which I would accept over living in a blue state.
If Tx and FL become the destination hotspot for all the patriots in the US, i'll be ok with that. It will mean these two states will always be based as fuck.
I don’t know if it’d be any different as this is a nationwide problem. Did you see that bastard cop unnecessarily take down the unmasked older woman just trying to withdraw her money from a BofA in Galveston?
It rarely occurs to those who recite the Pledge of Allegiance, while feeling deep pride, that what they are actually doing is swearing allegiance to a system of subjugation and authoritarian control. In short, they are promising to do as they are told, and behave as loyal subjects to their masters. Aside from the patently inaccurate phrase at the end about “liberty and justice for ail,” the entire Pledge is about subservience to the “government” which claims to represent the collective, as if that in itself is some great and noble goal,
No government that is assigned rights that individuals do not have can be said to represent the people because you cannot delegate a right you yourself do not have.
If the government assumes rights that the people who institute it do not have it cannot be said to represent its people.
I don't think any government represents its people because they all assume rights that individuals do not have. I think the US at the time of its founding is probably the closest to such a government in recorded history.
You talk a lot about what you think shouldn't exist, but can you line out what you think SHOULD? Let's say you get your wish, and you've torn down all nations and states. How would a society that you would consider "legitimate" deal with the daily troubles that every society eventually must?
Note that I am saying "society", and not "government". I would like to know how you think people would interact on the whole--and not "should" or "I would hope", either.
Show me your vision. Show me you can build as well as destroy.
It boils down to letting the market find solutions to the problem of rights protection.
Markets are self-organizing, that's why it's hard to describe exactly what such a system would end up looking like without trying to forcefully impose a top-down system on people.
The core principle of this would be that everyone has a right to defend their rights and the rights of others, and there is nothing wrong with organizing on a voluntary basis to defend the rights of oneself and others.
Most thinkers who have attempted to describe what such a system would end up looking like have suggested that it would take the form of multiple competing insurance agencies employing competing protective services.
A similar system has been described by David Friedman in "The Machinery of Freedom", Michael Huemer in the second half of "The Problem of Political Authority" and by Robert Murphy in "Chaos Theory" likely others as well but these are the most comprehensive descriptions of how such a system might work that I'm aware of.
Also I'm not one to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I am very much in favor of any reduction in government power even if we are left with a minarchist state even if such a state engages in immoral acts such as taxation IF it can keep itself limited to the protection of rights otherwise.
I define rights as those actions an individual can do without imposing on others.
Even if the current form is not his, it stands to reason that the next pledge should not be to the flag, but to Freedom itself and the constitution. Not to the flag, which as we've learned changes meanings depending on the decade.
Know what doesn't change meanings? the OG amendments.
Shut the hell up. Seriously. None of us here are strong enough to stand up alone to the weight above us. We're literally talking about the potential death of our country here and you're acting like this is as easy as punching in and out on the clock.
No, we all have families, homes, people we love and confusion running rampant. This is an information war and I'd be worried about anyone who doesn't second guess themselves because they are either too arrogant to admit it or too stupid to realize it.
/U/maxdady01 has every right to feel confused and unconfident at times. It's our responsibility to remind them that they're not alone. That we feel the same, that we're in this together and we are here for each other.
I say this because I too have weak days. Conversations with people who believe I have white privilege exhaust me and make me feel as though maybe I really am in the wrong. But we have seen the effects of their bullshit come through. Why is it that left states have become the most lawless AND most authoritarian at the same time?
I don't know if anyone reading this is a Christian or not, but I do try to follow Christ. I'm an arrogant, egotistical, angry, guy who jumps to conclusions, so I am not good at following God and understanding his words. But I do believe that if we try to stand with Him, then he will never forsake us. I don't know that this country stands with God anymore and that scares me greatly. But as powerful as the US is, God could squash it in a second. Perhaps "America" as we know it truly is gone. But this country wasn't founded on paper, it was founded on the Spirit of freedom. The truth that God made each of us beautifully and that this earth and everything in it is for us...if we care for it and each other.
And that, that can never be taken from any of us. Perhaps we loose this war and a new country is founded by people of the same Spirit following God. Well, then that's "America" then. God comes before family and family before country and country comes before self. I frequently forget that order. But the time we're living in is a good reminder
They've been doing this since the 90's at least with Occupy Wallstreet. These criminal actions are confined to the valley cities. I mean Portland and Eugene are their "home turf" basically. Places where they have spineless local government and delusional supporters among the bourgeois lefties. I wouldn't expect this to happen in any of the red counties in Oregon. First off they would have to carpool out to the middle of nowhere and then they would have to figure out how to get bailed out of distant jurisdictions which probably wouldn't be that much of a problem but then you would have the added inconvenience of calling mom to pick you up from jail in someplace like Umatilla or Medford.
One of my best friends has lived in Portland since the 80's. He said this shit really started popping off the last decade or so. He said 90's up there were a different planet compared to what it is now.
That's fair. I stand corrected. I just know that antifa/pre-antifa action was building up in Eugene prior to this in the 90's. Also, there is a reason that Portland was called little Beirut in the early 90's.
Last I checked, the shit the DC commies have in store for us will apply to everyone in every state. Hell, once the DC cabal starts deferring to the UN, China will be the one's calling our shots.
You can't just say "It only happens in valley cities, therefore it will never affect us."
They'll tax us all. They'll starve us all. They'll take all our guns. They'll indoctrinate all our kids and imprison everyone for wrongthink no matter what city or state you live in.
He wasn't charged with anything. Honestly I think the cop did the right thing. He was responding to a report of an assault and came upon the scene with people screaming that this guy had a gun. Anyone that listens to cop radio knows that details are wanting. By keeping ANTIFA back, securing the area, including disarming the individual, the cop was able to wait for backup and get a full assessment of the situation.
Once they confirmed the man's account - that he was being assaulted and was in fear for his life so he drew his weapon - they confirmed that he was legally carrying and escorted him away from the area.
This...
But the real injustice is that they didnt arrest any of the antifa fags... im glad i dont live in that shithole state.
You cant go very long with a 2 tier justice system, things will only get worse.
I’m with you this. The police successfully deescalated the situation. They need to arrest the vandals though. That’s what boils my blood. This old guy was put in fear for his life and will end up having to pay for a bunch of repairs on his truck. Antifa walks free and will keep destroying private property.
He was disarmed as cops took control of the situation. I'm cool with that. He was escorted from the area. All good.
But if he wasn't arrested for drawing that means the cops agree he had a legitimate fear for his life. Which means that someone else threatened his life. Which means that someone should be in jail right now.
A well-reasoned comment that highlights the nuance of these situations. Seeing something and jumping to a froth-mouthed conclusion is how we got Saint Floyd.
I'm just continually baffled by you idiots. Keeping the Union means AGREEING TO LETTINF THESE PEOPLE KEEP HAVUNG A VOTE IN YIUR COUNTRY. This refusal to accept some level of losses* is loser talk. Do you not understand that victory or success is a comparison to costs? You can win a battle or even a war and still lose big time.
*Not actually a loss. A red state nation without mopey, self-hating, universally unskilled blue states will be infinitely stronger
What the hell are you talking about? In what world would a split not involve massively changing state and Federal (whatever new federation is formed) constitutions to severely limit the power of the governments?
For example, you know how we know now that the FBI was a terrible idea? Why wouldn't the new red states ban the forming of an FBI? Why do you think everything is going to happen in a vacuum?
You won't defend your country from the stolen election, you won't defend patriots in other states because they're blue states, you sure as fuck won't do anything when it 100% ends up in your state as well.
This guy got arrested because he pulled a gun on them. Don't pull a gun on them. We need to get more creative with how we deal with these people. What we really need is just a ton of people that can outnumber them and swarm them. Just walk up on them and film them and see what they do.
Everyone thinks that guns are the "ultimate" solution because they are. But that's only by sheer numbers. We could take this country back tomorrow if every single patriot rose and fought to get rid of the opposition.
But in order to do that, everyone needs a real reason to put their lives on the line. Too many of us are still too comfortable, employed and sleeping too much each night to do that. I do believe Patriots are like the honey badger backed into a corner at the end. But until it's ass is to the wall, it just keeps trying to trot away.
Until this tyranny is killing someone in each of our houses, I don't see people finally rising up.
If there was an empty seat at enough tables that each of us could name a friend or sibling or parent who was lost, then we'd be an unstoppable force. But I just don't see it happening until there's a true unifying antagonizing act that makes us jump. And I'll be frank, I don't want to jump too soon and waste my chance to have a real fight by getting angry at a store front window like these antifa idiots.
Antifa is state backed, don't forget that. When you defend yourself against Antifa, be prepared to be attacked by the state. I don't know what the answer is, but that's the reality of the situation as it stands, currently.
I've actually written about this elsewhere. The reality is that we're living in a society where values like Honor, Integrity, and Sacrifice are dead. They are not valued, praised, or held up in the public sphere as praiseworthy. Until that changes, don't expect to see people taking those sorts of personal risks.
no. he would be facing 20+ years if he did that. His life was not in danger. He was OK to protect himself from the mob with his sidearm, but they didn't rush him . Their playbook is to poke the bear, and make the bear fight. If they are in the road run them over... if they are attacking your vehicle pull your sidearm and show force protection.. if they rush you shoot them dead and reload.
It's retarded but 99/100 cases where someone pulls a gun on another person the person pulling the gun gets charged with a crime. If the old man would have shot them while they were attacking his Truck he'd probably be sleeping at home right now.
sleeping at a new home. in jail, awaiting his trial, which would be politically driven to fry his ass. You people are either delusional or straight up lefty faggots here to fuel Trump supporters to act irrationally,
Defending yourself is now illegal so why bother with lawyers and lose your bank account or prison and lose your life?
Shoot and leave. If on your property - dispose of the body as you see fit. Clearance rates for missing bodies is shockingly low - even lower now that they're being defunded.
Easiest is to dump the body on some train tracks. Trains don't leave any useful evidence - and reduce a corpse into bite sized chunks for wildlife to scavange.
A big difference between conservatives and liberals: conservatives respect the rule of law. Think "shopping cart theory." And for a good minute we've equated rule of law with police. They're supposed to represent the law, that the means justify the ends. The police are no longer doing this, or respecting the rule of law.
What kind of actual retards is OSP hiring? There are literal militant terrorists harassing motorists and this fucking coward arrests the damn victim? Are you fucking kidding me right now?!!!
Too many fat ass police only know how to do what they’re told like simp cucks. They’ll betray the constitution for a paycheck and the tranquility of servitude rather than the animating contest of liberty.
We need someone to FOIA all the footage of the arrest so we can listen to the terrorist during the ride in the cop car. Listen to him trying to justify his oath breaking and his support ANTIFA.
They are defending the enemy...you know what that means.
Treason. and the only sentence for treason is....
A strongly worded letter with the promise to vote against it "next time."
Because the right answer to your question requires a spine nobody seems to have.
Oh and when they get uppity, we should do nothing because "optics"
This is the problem. Even if a patriot stands up and takes care of business, 99% of the "conservatives" will instantly turn against him. The justice system will imprison or execute him, he will lose all his friends and family, Trump will condemn him, etc.
not even you.
You have to remember that you are the enemies of the fascist regime. If you attack at soldiers they won't like it.. you have to act accordingly.. if they attack you feel free to pull out a gun but make sure that you're gone by the time the police arrive. Stop acting like the police or your friends..
you self-defense if you have to. But then fucking run and get out of there and don't leave any evidence for th
Seriously why the fuck are we acting like cops are our friends at all? Fuck them they enforce the horse shit policy's and then say I'm just following order's shit. Time to start acting like our enemies, and mask up cause issues for antifa and disappear. Stop waiting around to speak with the fucking cops. You're going to go to jail they fucking defend the trash.
Obviously, the police are typically going to detain/arrest the person holding a gun, when they arrive on scene, if for no other reason than caution and self-preservation.
The issue is that they often do not arrest the Antifa/BLM vandals/assailants who provoked the self-defense response, particularly in leftist strongholds such as Salem, and when they are arrested, they are often released immediately by sympathetic district attorneys who are unwilling to prosecute leftists.
This is what they do to you in Oregon - It is occupied territory at this point - a beach head for the enemy.
Did he die?
The kind of people who would willingly fire on traitors don't live in Salem, Oregon.
That man in the Truck had a spine.
But then the fucking full force of the government came down on him within a matter of a minute.
This is why we are hesitant. One person alone cannot take these fuckers on.
But if we organize, the glowie fucks that monitor this site will crack down hard and more than half of us will be visited by the FIBS, because that's where their resources go towards. They don't give a shit about actual crime going on. They just want to silence us.
And where does this magical power come from that a bunch of you people seem to think senators have individually? Especially while in the minority party.....
What magical thing do you think they can legally do by themselves while in the minority party?
I'm genuinely curious as to what people like yourself think that they senators can actually legally do besides writing strongly worded letters, when they are in the minority party.....
I agree with your logic. The problem I have, is that we have given them the majority party and they still don’t fight. Ala Paul Ryan, Mitch the turtle and Donald Trump.
People may have misinterpreted what I was trying to say here. Trump wasn't the problem. Republicans had the House, Senate and Presidency but, they still wouldn't do anything. They were stalling and blocking Trump the whole time.
Fuck off you faggot piece of shit. Trump fought while you sat in your mom's basement doing nothing but masturbating to and egging on violent incidents between our side and the left or the govt
Hey Anaconda. Good to see you again. How's the trolling been going? You getting any bites lately?
Wrong, we elected trump to stand up for whats right and fight the corruption because we are not there. In the end he did not have the stomach to do what the founders would've done months before. Nobody wants to admit but that was our last real chance without atrocities being committed. Now its just a matter of time before the government oversteps and people react sporadically around the country. People are already making plans on encrypted messaging systems and in person. The cia and nsa can hardly catch terrorists with sat phones and couriers i doubt the fbi realizes the fight they are in now.
No. It means YOU are the enemy now. YOU are the traitor.
And the police will shoot you on sight. All the more if you are white and defending your property, because as we all know now, in this new paradigm, property is oppression.
u/Antifederalist and u/BlessingsofLiberty (LMAO!) propose we ban users for posting wrongthink
on a web forum established after being banned for posting wrongthink
Never changes. X thing is only bad when the other side does it. We're allowed to do it because reasons.
It's the total lack of self and situational awareness they display that never ceases to impress me.
There needs to be a response to the left though. Losing while puffing your chest out, proud of never sinking as low as them still means you’re in jail as some purple haired fruitloop rapes your wife.
But yeah, don’t ban these faggots, just call them out as a bunch of pussies that love the people that will arrest them for defending themself
Don't be a faggot. We're losing because we buckle under a self-imposed abstract concept of moral superiority. The left lies, cheats, gaslights, bans, censors and manipulates with impunity and it's time we beat them at their own game. If you're gonna shit on our mods for banning faggotry then you're holding us back.
I agree with you about why we're losing.
What that has to do with cancel culture faggotry, I have no idea.
But if you're going to insist on engaging in the same cancel culture faggotry the left does, you can leave me out of it.
As far as I know, the mods have never banned anyone who didn't have it coming. So what are you raving about?
Because the hate for cancel culture is rooted in pathological moralism. The conservative idea that cancel culture is bad is driven by the fact that it's really only ever used against conservatives, which is our team.
We're perfectly happy to 'cancel' pedos, murderers, actual nazis and communists, and we deport anti-Trump reddit fags too so anyone else who is part of the problem (boot lickers etc) are perfectly liable for banning. This is a forum for patriots, not the town square.
We act like club house rules are always in effect, they act like street gang rules are always in effect. We lose all the time.
Why tho. We don't want to become the left . They suck. And bad ideas always get trumped by better ideas so there's no point in banning them.
You really need to read some history. This is NOT the case. Bad ideas win all the time.
Man, I like what you’re thinking, but... I don’t think forum bans are the solution.
Weimar culture, in all its degeneracy needed a force that would actually do something, not being banned from forums
Yeah don’t ban them, just call them out as the faggot cucks that they are
They should switch to Democrat then. Americans stand for free speech, whether you like it or not.
Not permanent bans but downvotes...
I'm not in favour of banning these cucks.
Clearly not working well enough. FBI is botting upvotes on pro cop posts and comments
Don't let the idiot box gaslight you into believing that thumbs are a unit of measure.
They're about as accurate as your average presidential poll (or ballot count).
Thumbs are no substitution for discourse.
And give it a rest with this fbi lurker conspiracy crap. You really think those lazy ass numbskulls give more than a passing glance to this site at best?
Are you a shill too? There is undeniable proof of FBI actively trying to demoralize and control us. What do you think all those comments calling for violence are
Anybody here gets to say whatever the hell they want. Don’t bring that leftist cancel crap in here. Freedom of speech like it or not.
This is the way. Call out the cuckservatives. Mock them like they deserve. Too many here
Censorship is not the answer.
The Truth About George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin
Are YOU The Next George Zimmerman or Darren Wilson?
The Truth About Michael Brown and the Ferguson Riots
It's not about race.
The race talk and focus is to keep us divided and distracted as the country is killed off for communism.
They make race the talking point so we get angry and fight each other, like the communists did with "landlords" and workers.
When they say racist, alt right, and far right it's for the same reason the Chinese revolution called people "imperialists" and capitalist swine.
Don't play into their fucking game.
Racial mixture and integration causes division on its own and doesn’t need to be manufactured by something external.
Don’t fight a race war then. Just realise who your allies are and unite.
Value your culture and where you come from. Stop cucking for mynorrytees, fags and leftists.
they will shoot you and there will be no consequences. but if you merely tell antifa to stop damaging your property they will put you in jail
Until a few friends rock up together ready to party. As a blue pig tries to give Antifa permission to wreck innocent peoples stuff, he can join the party too
A double tap.
Depends on who you ask.
It almost seems like these people are pushing for the purge to happen.
and yet cucks here still want to masturbate to the cops and the treasonous military
remember: the COPS and MILITARY will be the ones enforcing JOE BIDEN'S GUN CONTROL AND CONFISCATION PROGRAM.
quit jerking off to them. they're too busy "just following orders" from the leftist soros puppet politicians
Anyone who complied with gun control is an enemy of the people. Normally I would support law enforcement but if they can’t question unlawful orders...
Title 18 section 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law.
If prosecutors won't charge the cops with this for attempting to enforce unconstitutional laws, get 2% of the registered voters in the county to empanel a citizens grand jury to investigate if the police are breaking the law.
A CGJ can be called EVEN JUST ON SUSPISION of a crime, so we don't need to wait until they start shooting to do it.
Once the citizens grand jury gets called they will start acting right. Like any jury trial, theres a greater than 0 chance someone just decides to nullify and let the government off. But when they realize that there is an outside body that has full discretion on what they are looking for, not letting them investigate themselves, they wont feel invulnerable.
Needs to be done in every state to investigate fraud as well. We need to get all the MAGA county chairs Bannon is filling the republican party with to coordinate on this.
2% of the citizens of Marion County, Oregon (where Salem is) is approximately 6,956. I highly doubt one could muster that much support in Ore-welli-gon
Thats really not that much, especially if its framed as police brutality/overreach. Citizens grand juries are just Grand Juries used as originally intended, not under the control of any branch of the government.
“CGJ’s” can decide whether or not to prosecute, ie bring a case. They dont determine guilt then and there, thats for a jury of peers. Peers used to mean people that actually knew you too... but thats another conversation. The erosion of our rights has gone on for a while now.
They could also refuse to take up a case brought by a gov prosecutor, William Penn was spared in this way when he was charged for preaching quakerism. So Pennsylvania is evidence of the power of the grand jury.
The grand jury had so much power because they were the “consent of the governed”. The government had to bring its case to a panel of randomly selected jurists before it could prosecute someone. I wonder why they subverted it?
Not with that attitude!!
A "citizens' grand jury" is not a real thing. It's made up.
If you're gonna larp, why not aim higher. Do a Citizens' Supreme Court.
There are definitely wackos who say the flags using gold trim means we are under maritime law or other such nonsense, so i understand the sentiment.
Ill offer some clarification, you are correct. The term is used to draw attention to the fact that grand juries as currently used are different from their original use and purpose.
According to several supreme court decisions after the 1947 federal civil crimes act (going off memory here if the name is not 100% accurate) that “changed” the function of the grand jury, the grand jurys scope and purpose are the same as they were and, like usual, unelected bureaucrats have tried to rewrite the constitution by changing definitions and appealing to authority.
The constitution means what it says. The words mean what they meant at the time it was written. The constitution can only be changed in one way, and writing a contradictory law or act is not the way.
Words matter until they don't.
Our Constitution is not divinely protected, nor does it have some inherent power of self-preservation. It is just words on a piece of parchment; because, we abandoned its principles long ago. Is it really wonder that we now abandon the very precepts?
How long are people going to believe in some mystical power that will save us? The time for legal recourse has passed. It's time to give up the study of the liberal arts for the martial arts.
The reason we point to the constitution in this case, is because if we are going to ask people to put everything on the line to stand up to the monster that is the globalist machine, it needs to be more than just little old me asking them.
If you are an American you swore an oath to uphold and protect the constitution against all threats, foreign AND domestic. If they are shown the constitution is being attacked and don't join the effort to defend it, they swore a false oath. Men have a sense of honor and duty, and invoking that in them is how to get them to buy in.
Read into the American Revolution, they didnt all just wake up one morning and decide to rebel. They gave the British every chance to do the right thing, tried every nonviolent means of achieving justice available, and built an alliance of all of the leaders in the country.
Thomas Paine published "Common Sense" and "The American Crisis" to get people acquainted to the idea.
Hamilton, Madison and others put out the federalist papers, to deliberate on the finer details what the day to day operations of an independent government should be.
George Washington, a man above reproach, respected by everyone and proficient in war, gave the patriots confidence that they had a fighting chance and moral standing. Not just to the Americans either, if the Colonists had not convinced the French to come to their side we would have lost the revolution. Optics matter in that sense.
EDIT: Forgot to tie it all in, basically this is going to take longer than the next election cycle to unfuck. We need to start laying the groundwork and dig in for the long haul to win this. The urge to just do something to change everything really fast will backfire in a huge way and honestly I think they are baiting us to.
https://famguardian.org/Publications/CitRulebook/citizen-rule-book.pdf
I dunno. I doubt many .mil spouses attended the rally, that's one thing they can lie to themselves with "Dindu". But I reckon if orders come down to forcibly enter their own homes and take their own protection, there's gonna some dynamics we haven't seen yet. The conditioning isn't complete yet, but they're sure working on it.
Lemme add a spez: ain't saying the idea is invalid, just saying we're not there yet in terms of viability. Unless they're trying to spark something, cause that's what'll happen.
You really do talk just like Anaconda.
I don't see anything wrong with this post.
The military aren’t a threat though. Isn’t that just an organization about being inclusive and diverse? It’s not like they’re a fighting force. Or something...
I dunno, their recent ads have me confused
Officer you are human garbage for supporting those brown shirts
Lol...... how are you people so confused. The brown shirts hated communists. They were a response to the elites degeneracy.
Antifa now is Antifa in Germany back in the 30s
Antifa now is not the brown shirts back then.
Also sigh, here come the downvotes. If you’re angrily downvoting, stop and actually think about it.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6GFZhwOHJQvgNEyD8c5u4ndwoeW0gWCLwAQ&usqp=CAU
Edit. The logo looks photoshopped in. Cant find a better pic that doesn’t look edited
You are correct. Both the brown shirts and the communists used the same tactics. Hitler of course killed off the brownshirts when he rose to power and they became a threat to his control.
Hitler was a socialist. Head of the National Socialist party. Before he started that party he started and ran the German Peoples workers party. Hermann Raschning and other people that knew HItler before and after his rise make it very clear that he based his beliefs on Marx and that the Communists were globalists and not nationalist.
"Antifaschistische Aktion (German: [ˌantifaˈʃɪstɪʃə ʔakˈtsi̯oːn]) was a militant anti-fascist organisation in the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933.
Now is not then also. There’s kinda cross over.. kinda in some ways, but nothing fits neatly.
What is important is the Brownshirts had support from the government in order to take out their political enemy. Something Antifa has now as seen in the video. Tacit approval of the activity. The FBI went so far as to say they do not exist.
It means they are the enemy too.
Go to the 32 minute mark of this video...
https://youtu.be/7w28QPAHXR8
That's attempted murder, the limb through the window where the woman was sitting. Police know this crap is happening, but allow it.
If someone intentionally puts or attempts to put a foreign object through my window, that’s an attempt to seriously injure or kill me and they are getting an appropriate response. I won’t have to take the time to rack one either.
In fear for your life, is it not reasonable to bear arms? This situation defies logic.
Police are not your friend. They are tools of the deep state to protect the deep state.
Yep. Conservatives need to stop the 'muh bAcK tHe BLuE' shit.
Fuck that. ABOLISH THE POLICE.
OK, I always felt like I would have a blast in the wild west. Bring on the new wild west
There is going to be something liberating about kill or be killed.
Human beings build civil societies so they don't have to live like animals.
But when society fails, there is no other more natural state to be in.
"liberating" is almost the opposite. You're not free you're locked down, scared, trapped in a shitty situation with no escape fighting for something stupid. People close to you die and you have no choice but to keep fighting. War sucks. A lot.
War sucks. No doubt. But so does wallowing in misery witnessing the final days of the american republic only to slowly die of communism.
Talk about being trapped in a shitty situation.
At least war offers a way out one way or another.
win or die
What do you propose happens then? War is bad, but what is the end game here? Lose just more slowly?
Just think - there’s a rapist on the loose? Not for long. We won’t have to worry about him ever again.
There is no need to abolish the police.
A citizen police force is necessary for a civil society.
But if police - if anyone stands between you and your liberty and safety...
fuck em.
MUH BADGE
Anaconda you're fucking retarded. Abolish the god damn police??? Really???
I disagree, there are some serious problems with the police. But a police for is needed. Let's be smart about what power they have and what checks are available to the people.
I'd rather have locally accountable (electable) sheriffs. Not security forces of the state that don't answer to anyone but the highest bidder, which is always the government.
All Chief Law Enforcement Officials should be directly elected.
Yes, that means Bozos in Philly and Portland, but it means actual crime busting in suburbans and rural areas.
Problem with electable Sheriffs is that you get ultra lib sheriffs if you're in a lib city.
Austin Tx is a good example.
Then fire the corrupt shithead. There needs to be a recall process for these people.
Again, the problem with doing a recall, is that city they represent is overwhelmingly liberal.
Good luck trying to get that person fired when the the majority of voters support that douche.
You cannot clean up a corrupt police force by making smart rules regarding power and checks or balances. The only way is to get rid of all corrupt cops entirely, as one rotten apple spoils the bushel. Today, the entire bushel has been spoiled. Only solution is to toss it out.
Same as the biblical tale of building a house on the sand. When the rains come down, it will wash away. Rules on a corrupt police force will wash away at the first sign of difficulty.
Get rid of the entire justice system from top to bottom is the only good solution - all other solutions are only temporary patches to make a pig look pretty.
Everything you said about police applies to politicians and oligarchs as well.
Sadly, you are quite correct. This entire situation is not going to end well.
When everyone and everything in the system is corrupt we are the only ones being policed. Unlawfully
There is a need for police yes, but the current police system and the current officers not willing to stand up for whats right. They need to go and if they stand up for tyranny then they deserve anything that happens to them. I am tired of backing police when they don't deserve it.
Clearly the police force is doing something about the crowd physically attacking this man and his property. Arresting him. This police force against the man defending himself and not against the crowd attacking him was definitely needed.
No they aren't doing anything. I totally agree this is a problem. But we need oversight and fewer laws. Not a ban on law enforcement.
Yup, but MUH THIN BLUE LINE. 🤣 Blue line dick suckers here are the worst IMHO. If the reaction to the last years events by LEO all around the country haven’t woken people up to the truth, nothing will. You are on your own, and if you dare to do the job of enforcing and following the constitution, they will make you pay. You may beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride that the state and the media put you though. Remember, the process is the punishment.
Contrary to the popular belief here, LEO are not our friends. They are the HR department for the government on steroids. If you’re an exemplary citizen/employee that somehow causes any type of stress/heartache for the government/company, they will do everything in their power to destroy you even if what you are doing is morally right and/or makes them follow their own company polices, that they refuse to abide by(oath to the constitution). This is often done in order to save/siphon money and/or protect other protected class employees/citizens while establishing more control and power over anyone willing to stand up for themselves. Don’t believe me, just look at what has gone on since chyna flu/Fent Floyd has gone on. Even before that, look what has been done to trump, Flynn, and Stone among others. It’s blatantly obvious.
There is also the issue of job security. Self reliance by citizens is not in the PD's own best interest so they'll come down on any citizen doing for themselves, orders or not. They're no different from any other government agency that require people to be totally reliant on them for their own selfish interests.
Unfortunately when the third world is running wild in the first world, first world justice is no longer applicable. Add the fact that the “justice” system has been subverted and isn’t and can no longer work as intended, and we live in 🤡🌎.
The justice system and its “enforcers” have proven time and time again that they actually protect the morally corrupt criminals from the moral law abiding citizenry while at the same time penalizing and arresting them for enforcing morality that the state refuses to. We all have to stop living in the world the way we wish it was and start living in it the way it actually is. 🤷🏼♂️
My reply to another post on the issue.
“ Go check my history If you still believe I don’t know what the large majority of what street/beat cops deal with. I know all to well the type of animals encounter and general evil and hatred they receive at any given time/encounter. I also never said all cops everywhere are enforcing mask laws all the time. I’m saying there are examples out there even on video where one POS LEO does push the issue and his coworkers back him instead of calling him out on his bullshit. Shame by your peers and equals is a hell of a deterrent, and we have very little of that in many if not all of said cases. These are the LEOs that make up the majority of the problem in this country IMHO. It’s not the ones we see and witness doing the actual unconstitutional and cowardice acts, but the ones who just stand by and allow it to happen, and that makes up at least, and I think I’m being kind with this figure, 50% of LEO that participate in the system in any capacity from the top to the bottom. I’m talking Judges, DAs, and all the way down to street level LEOs.
I know you’re not going to like this, but the agnostic/fence sitting LEOs are not the only reason, but a huge part of the reason they are in the situation they’re in now IMHO. They thought they were going to be able to just keep on coasting by without picking the side of morality and their oath to the constitution and that their elected communists masters wouldn’t throw them under the bus. THEY WERE WRONG!!! They made their bed and now they’re are being forced to lie in it, unfortunately many good moral LACs are suffering because of it also, and I’m sure there will be many more. You will never understand how difficult it is for me to say these things, but I never avoid the harsh unapologetic truths.
How many of them are left here, though? You're all complaining about an attitude that's been mostly wiped away here.
One is too many.
The Truth About George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin
Are YOU The Next George Zimmerman or Darren Wilson?
The Truth About Michael Brown and the Ferguson Riots
Just the OSP. PPB has had enough of this shit. That's why antifa is in Salem. Same with SPD up north. antifa insurgents will be residing guantanamo instead of in the streets.
If you are antifa and you are reading this, you might as well quit now.
Election rioting is so 2020
can you show me anything to.prove this about PPB?
I cannot prove it. But I can see it.
Not always.
The Truth About George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin
Are YOU The Next George Zimmerman or Darren Wilson?
The Truth About Michael Brown and the Ferguson Riots
Ok fuck this shit. Mans older, clearly scared and is defending himself and his property. Fuck these scum.
That cop should be ashamed of himself. What a loser.
he should be charged, prosecuted and put in state prison.
Instead he will be awarded a medal for stopping white supremacy.
That's a great snapshot of today and the society we live in.
White officer given medal for stopping white supremacy by white man who was defending his property against other white people who claimed to support black people.
Yup, it's unreal.
He isn’t though. Imagine booking someone for speeding and how much of a faggot you’d have to be to do that, without thinking “man I am a cunt”
These guys are a special breed. He thinks he’s extracting justice on that guy. “How dare he defend himself!! That’s my job!”
Based and Austrianpilled
This government does NOT have a monopoly on violence, however. We acknowledge this in the Constitution, in laws--and the reservation of that resort to ourselves means that we have an attendant responsibility to enforce it.
If tyrants take it from us, it is because we let them.
He should move to Texas.
Florida and Texas seem like good places for an American to live.
Absolutely.. I lived in Cali, NY and the Midwest.. Fuck the rest of the country. Castle law, No retreat law, Stand your ground law, Shall issue concealed weapons permits (If you didn't catch it.. I said Weapons permit. not gun permit any weapon...).
in my city there are around 50k+ new housing units going up right now. People are moving in faster that we can build.
I understand.. The population boom was annoying for me in Colorado when we legalized weed.. Can't ski anymore because of 5 hour drives which should be 1 hour. But we got a bunch of useless fuckheads moving in, true Americans moving to Texas and Florida will hopefully be a good thing for you. Be prepared for more traffic, which I would accept over living in a blue state.
If Tx and FL become the destination hotspot for all the patriots in the US, i'll be ok with that. It will mean these two states will always be based as fuck.
I don’t know if it’d be any different as this is a nationwide problem. Did you see that bastard cop unnecessarily take down the unmasked older woman just trying to withdraw her money from a BofA in Galveston?
There was a video of a Texas man getting arrested for not having his mask on.
What he did wouldn't be legal in Texas either. You cannot use deadly force to defend property other than your residence. Ever!
Correct, what he did w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ might not be legal in Texas.
However, you are not correct about deadly force to defend property.
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm
Scroll down to 9.42
There is nothing about having to be on your own land to defend tangible, movable property.
spez: looks like the cops got some sense and let him go
Not true at all.
the message is clear. Don't fight for your freedom. Allow communist anti-American pedophile felons to destroy your property. And like it.
My only shock is that they didn't shoot the old guy.
I’m no longer willing to pledge allegiance. I’m done. We’re in self preservation times now.
The US pledge of allegiance is to the country, and the republic that represents it. The current government does not represent its people.
The government at the time the pledge was created did not represent its people either.
Question: Do you think any government represents its people?
No government that is assigned rights that individuals do not have can be said to represent the people because you cannot delegate a right you yourself do not have.
If the government assumes rights that the people who institute it do not have it cannot be said to represent its people.
I don't think any government represents its people because they all assume rights that individuals do not have. I think the US at the time of its founding is probably the closest to such a government in recorded history.
But close to legitimate is still not legitimate.
You talk a lot about what you think shouldn't exist, but can you line out what you think SHOULD? Let's say you get your wish, and you've torn down all nations and states. How would a society that you would consider "legitimate" deal with the daily troubles that every society eventually must?
Note that I am saying "society", and not "government". I would like to know how you think people would interact on the whole--and not "should" or "I would hope", either.
Show me your vision. Show me you can build as well as destroy.
It boils down to letting the market find solutions to the problem of rights protection.
Markets are self-organizing, that's why it's hard to describe exactly what such a system would end up looking like without trying to forcefully impose a top-down system on people.
The core principle of this would be that everyone has a right to defend their rights and the rights of others, and there is nothing wrong with organizing on a voluntary basis to defend the rights of oneself and others.
Most thinkers who have attempted to describe what such a system would end up looking like have suggested that it would take the form of multiple competing insurance agencies employing competing protective services.
A similar system has been described by David Friedman in "The Machinery of Freedom", Michael Huemer in the second half of "The Problem of Political Authority" and by Robert Murphy in "Chaos Theory" likely others as well but these are the most comprehensive descriptions of how such a system might work that I'm aware of.
Also I'm not one to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I am very much in favor of any reduction in government power even if we are left with a minarchist state even if such a state engages in immoral acts such as taxation IF it can keep itself limited to the protection of rights otherwise.
I define rights as those actions an individual can do without imposing on others.
The US pledge was written by a fucking commie.
Even if the current form is not his, it stands to reason that the next pledge should not be to the flag, but to Freedom itself and the constitution. Not to the flag, which as we've learned changes meanings depending on the decade.
Know what doesn't change meanings? the OG amendments.
Inalienable rights do not change.
Life, Liberty and Property
Tell that to silver tongues lawyers and judges.
The pledge of allegiance is to the flag and the country for which it stands... ya just got too look it up (eats Ramen)
Excellent quote.
https://imgur.com/a/JzEu7Fl
Things are going to get really ugly soon
That's the best case scenario. Remember that.
The very worst thing that could happen is that we keep letting this country die without a fight. Without even swinging back at them, or standing up.
It needs to get much worse for it to get any better.
You and Colin Kaepergay
Enjoy the mass grave.
what?
You dont think the sentiment carries over a bit pledging allegiance "to the flag"?
you get a downvote for being a pussy. you might as well join the NFL with that attitude.
The flag no longer represents a legitimate government. Wake the fuck up.
Country is lost...
Thanks, fren. Get lost in the darkness at times.
No you don't, this is your "job"
Shut the hell up. Seriously. None of us here are strong enough to stand up alone to the weight above us. We're literally talking about the potential death of our country here and you're acting like this is as easy as punching in and out on the clock.
No, we all have families, homes, people we love and confusion running rampant. This is an information war and I'd be worried about anyone who doesn't second guess themselves because they are either too arrogant to admit it or too stupid to realize it.
/U/maxdady01 has every right to feel confused and unconfident at times. It's our responsibility to remind them that they're not alone. That we feel the same, that we're in this together and we are here for each other.
I say this because I too have weak days. Conversations with people who believe I have white privilege exhaust me and make me feel as though maybe I really am in the wrong. But we have seen the effects of their bullshit come through. Why is it that left states have become the most lawless AND most authoritarian at the same time?
I don't know if anyone reading this is a Christian or not, but I do try to follow Christ. I'm an arrogant, egotistical, angry, guy who jumps to conclusions, so I am not good at following God and understanding his words. But I do believe that if we try to stand with Him, then he will never forsake us. I don't know that this country stands with God anymore and that scares me greatly. But as powerful as the US is, God could squash it in a second. Perhaps "America" as we know it truly is gone. But this country wasn't founded on paper, it was founded on the Spirit of freedom. The truth that God made each of us beautifully and that this earth and everything in it is for us...if we care for it and each other.
And that, that can never be taken from any of us. Perhaps we loose this war and a new country is founded by people of the same Spirit following God. Well, then that's "America" then. God comes before family and family before country and country comes before self. I frequently forget that order. But the time we're living in is a good reminder
They've been doing this since the 90's at least with Occupy Wallstreet. These criminal actions are confined to the valley cities. I mean Portland and Eugene are their "home turf" basically. Places where they have spineless local government and delusional supporters among the bourgeois lefties. I wouldn't expect this to happen in any of the red counties in Oregon. First off they would have to carpool out to the middle of nowhere and then they would have to figure out how to get bailed out of distant jurisdictions which probably wouldn't be that much of a problem but then you would have the added inconvenience of calling mom to pick you up from jail in someplace like Umatilla or Medford.
Occupy Wall Street started in 2011, pede.
One of my best friends has lived in Portland since the 80's. He said this shit really started popping off the last decade or so. He said 90's up there were a different planet compared to what it is now.
That's fair. I stand corrected. I just know that antifa/pre-antifa action was building up in Eugene prior to this in the 90's. Also, there is a reason that Portland was called little Beirut in the early 90's.
Last I checked, the shit the DC commies have in store for us will apply to everyone in every state. Hell, once the DC cabal starts deferring to the UN, China will be the one's calling our shots.
You can't just say "It only happens in valley cities, therefore it will never affect us."
They'll tax us all. They'll starve us all. They'll take all our guns. They'll indoctrinate all our kids and imprison everyone for wrongthink no matter what city or state you live in.
You're not safe.
Anybody know who this guy is? I'd like to contribute to his defense fund.
He wasn't charged with anything. Honestly I think the cop did the right thing. He was responding to a report of an assault and came upon the scene with people screaming that this guy had a gun. Anyone that listens to cop radio knows that details are wanting. By keeping ANTIFA back, securing the area, including disarming the individual, the cop was able to wait for backup and get a full assessment of the situation.
Once they confirmed the man's account - that he was being assaulted and was in fear for his life so he drew his weapon - they confirmed that he was legally carrying and escorted him away from the area.
This... But the real injustice is that they didnt arrest any of the antifa fags... im glad i dont live in that shithole state. You cant go very long with a 2 tier justice system, things will only get worse.
Didn't arrest yet. Sometimes you catch them later, when they're not in a knot of mass hysteria.
Probably won't arrest at all, sure, but it's early to say definitively. I expect to be wrong, but I hope to be right.
Ok they may get arrested... but will never get charged.
I’m with you this. The police successfully deescalated the situation. They need to arrest the vandals though. That’s what boils my blood. This old guy was put in fear for his life and will end up having to pay for a bunch of repairs on his truck. Antifa walks free and will keep destroying private property.
He was disarmed as cops took control of the situation. I'm cool with that. He was escorted from the area. All good.
But if he wasn't arrested for drawing that means the cops agree he had a legitimate fear for his life. Which means that someone else threatened his life. Which means that someone should be in jail right now.
A well-reasoned comment that highlights the nuance of these situations. Seeing something and jumping to a froth-mouthed conclusion is how we got Saint Floyd.
He will be - Oregon is a lost enemy beach head at this point. It's time for the patriots there to go Galt and leave scorched earth behind.
I'm just continually baffled by you idiots. Keeping the Union means AGREEING TO LETTINF THESE PEOPLE KEEP HAVUNG A VOTE IN YIUR COUNTRY. This refusal to accept some level of losses* is loser talk. Do you not understand that victory or success is a comparison to costs? You can win a battle or even a war and still lose big time.
*Not actually a loss. A red state nation without mopey, self-hating, universally unskilled blue states will be infinitely stronger
Do you think they'll stop after secession? Who gets the military? Nasa? Intell agencies?
They'll just infiltrate again and the same problems will creep up in 2 generations.
What the hell are you talking about? In what world would a split not involve massively changing state and Federal (whatever new federation is formed) constitutions to severely limit the power of the governments?
For example, you know how we know now that the FBI was a terrible idea? Why wouldn't the new red states ban the forming of an FBI? Why do you think everything is going to happen in a vacuum?
When was there a state without a state security?
Cancer would wipe out the human race if we treated it the way we've been treating the traitors in this country.
"Damn, you quit easily."
says the couch potato that isn't doing jack shit.
You won't defend your country from the stolen election, you won't defend patriots in other states because they're blue states, you sure as fuck won't do anything when it 100% ends up in your state as well.
Not yet...
You know they’re trying to demoralize you, right?
Seriously. I see countless threads here about cops being shot and after spending a year sucking the BBLMC all I can think of is “so what”. 🤷🏼♂️
Remember, the nazis on trial after the war...their defense was “we were just following orders”
Hey at least the ones following orders were doing something.
Which is more than anyone can say for the rest of us.
I get a genuine kick out of it at this point. I love the really cruel cases where they're hurt especially.
#FUCK THE POLICE
Finally something I agree on with the left
https://invidious.tube/watch?v=KQ9w1HHRMQw
"Why don't you do something, guyz."
This is why. We get arrested. :)
This is why they make scopes for rifles.
I dont get why this isnt considered more often
It would make them martyrs to nazis, sadly. Someone should just swap their Xanax for strychnine instead. “Bad drug deal.”
Fentanyl.
Water balloons! They make "beach water balloon launcher" so you can launch a nice fat water balloon down the beach, right?
"He's got a scope, people. Quick, tell all of our conscripts to stand down, we lost!" If only it were that simple.
“Doing something” means mass movement not one random guy.
my plan is to just not pay taxes :O go after these fuckers paychecks
This guy got arrested because he pulled a gun on them. Don't pull a gun on them. We need to get more creative with how we deal with these people. What we really need is just a ton of people that can outnumber them and swarm them. Just walk up on them and film them and see what they do.
Everyone thinks that guns are the "ultimate" solution because they are. But that's only by sheer numbers. We could take this country back tomorrow if every single patriot rose and fought to get rid of the opposition.
But in order to do that, everyone needs a real reason to put their lives on the line. Too many of us are still too comfortable, employed and sleeping too much each night to do that. I do believe Patriots are like the honey badger backed into a corner at the end. But until it's ass is to the wall, it just keeps trying to trot away.
Until this tyranny is killing someone in each of our houses, I don't see people finally rising up.
If there was an empty seat at enough tables that each of us could name a friend or sibling or parent who was lost, then we'd be an unstoppable force. But I just don't see it happening until there's a true unifying antagonizing act that makes us jump. And I'll be frank, I don't want to jump too soon and waste my chance to have a real fight by getting angry at a store front window like these antifa idiots.
Thats why they go after our children.
Fuck. the. police.
Guns don't kill people, ANTIFA does.
Fuck the police I hope all pigs get their end
Dude... https://patriots.win/p/12i3uY48YN/patriot-in-oregon-confronts-anti/c/
And of course the cuck mods sticky the Twitter link
but i thought antifa is just an idea. bullets dont hurt ideas, do they?
Funny how the second the gun comes out the cops suddenly care about intervening...
Perhaps it should be the other way around.
Oregon is enemy territory. The red counties are not safe from over zealous Democrats
No we're not they are intentionally accelerating urban sprawl in order to dilute red counties.
We aint winning anything here in AZ if we keep this dominion shit. I remember 2018s dem win at 4am in the morning
fuck these cops. they're going against the wall first when the Antifa black shirts get in power. these fucking idiots deserve to be tried for treason
Race war = pig hunting season. I hope the good few understamd that.
If a race war kicks off it doesn't stop until there's a new government that's actually by the people, for the people.
This is horrifying. Feel terrible for this guy.
This is exactly what everyone knew would happen.
The state of Oregon is not your friend.
Antifa is state backed, don't forget that. When you defend yourself against Antifa, be prepared to be attacked by the state. I don't know what the answer is, but that's the reality of the situation as it stands, currently.
edit: And just to clarify, that's not hyperbole... the Oregon AG sued the feds during the summer riots.
Be the first one
Are you still here baiting, you LARPing phony.
I've actually written about this elsewhere. The reality is that we're living in a society where values like Honor, Integrity, and Sacrifice are dead. They are not valued, praised, or held up in the public sphere as praiseworthy. Until that changes, don't expect to see people taking those sorts of personal risks.
It's too early. We're just getting started.
dont pay your taxes, it would take them so long to try everyone and we could all just say we "forgot"
If you pull a gun on someone you use it. This guy didn't us it. Mistakes were made.
He's going to die in jail for brandishing. He might as well have died in jail sending some communists to hell.
no. he would be facing 20+ years if he did that. His life was not in danger. He was OK to protect himself from the mob with his sidearm, but they didn't rush him . Their playbook is to poke the bear, and make the bear fight. If they are in the road run them over... if they are attacking your vehicle pull your sidearm and show force protection.. if they rush you shoot them dead and reload.
It's retarded but 99/100 cases where someone pulls a gun on another person the person pulling the gun gets charged with a crime. If the old man would have shot them while they were attacking his Truck he'd probably be sleeping at home right now.
sleeping at a new home. in jail, awaiting his trial, which would be politically driven to fry his ass. You people are either delusional or straight up lefty faggots here to fuel Trump supporters to act irrationally,
I too like made up statistics.
It's true, you can't draw your firearm on someone as a threat.
this is exactly why I never gave a fuck about "back the blue"
they just want their pensions and they're more than happy to sucker the right wing along for the ride.
You guys still want to share a country with these horrible blue states/counties?
You're not planning on winning.
Does it look like we are winning?
It is going to be really interesting living in these cities once the 1000 mile farm-to-supermarket chain collapses...
If you still think the cops are the good guys then you are part of the problem
Cowards will always suck the dick that feeds them.
Useless fucking cops....back muh blue line..get fucked. I done with these fucking clowns
Clown nation. In a righteous world, this man should've been allowed to open fire and receive a medal for it.
Drop them and drive away.
Defending yourself is now illegal so why bother with lawyers and lose your bank account or prison and lose your life?
Shoot and leave. If on your property - dispose of the body as you see fit. Clearance rates for missing bodies is shockingly low - even lower now that they're being defunded.
Easiest is to dump the body on some train tracks. Trains don't leave any useful evidence - and reduce a corpse into bite sized chunks for wildlife to scavange.
Make more communists 'missing persons' today.
I hate these blue-pilled Boomercons more than leftists, honestly.
Good to see more of you pedes finally waking up to the bullshit about "Backing the Blue"
Don't back the blue.
Back your God given rights to your firearms and shoot dead any Antifa, Nazi, Commie or Govt run-thug that dares try to take it off you
What a stupid cop.
If he had done is job this guy wouldn't have to pull out his gun-- which he has the right to do.
A big difference between conservatives and liberals: conservatives respect the rule of law. Think "shopping cart theory." And for a good minute we've equated rule of law with police. They're supposed to represent the law, that the means justify the ends. The police are no longer doing this, or respecting the rule of law.
Fuck them
Minitifa in the background of course.
My favorite nickname of Dustin's is "Hot Wheels"
Yeah, that’s a good one. From another angle you can see him rolling over to the cops to accuse the guy of pointing a gun at “protestors”
Welcome to the Great State of Anarcho-Tyranny.
Fuck the POLICE
What kind of actual retards is OSP hiring? There are literal militant terrorists harassing motorists and this fucking coward arrests the damn victim? Are you fucking kidding me right now?!!!
Fortunately the police were there to protect the marxists...who do you serve indeed...
The generation of kids that never got spanked.
Not advocating reckless violence, but nobody should feel ashamed to defend themselves from idiots like this.
Poor dude, now his truck is all fucked up and he’s probably in jail
This is the new normal. Patriots get arrested, while criminals and terrorist are free to do what they want.
Thats why that guy was killed by 2 black teenage girls. If he tired to defend himself he would be in jail.
Fucking ridiculous. If you can’t protect yourself from a mob of rioting hooligans when can you. This country has gone to shit.
Too many fat ass police only know how to do what they’re told like simp cucks. They’ll betray the constitution for a paycheck and the tranquility of servitude rather than the animating contest of liberty.
Fuck this porky pig cop.
how long are they just going to keep sucking antfia's dick? it's long past ridiculous.
Exactly! WTF?!? Enough is enough
Damn high price of bullets saved all their lives.
No longer peace officers.
Time to face facts, people: we have lost our country. I don't think the Commies will give it back without a deadly fight, either.
We need someone to FOIA all the footage of the arrest so we can listen to the terrorist during the ride in the cop car. Listen to him trying to justify his oath breaking and his support ANTIFA.