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NullifyAndSecede 5 points ago +5 / -0

The government at the time the pledge was created did not represent its people either.

[The Constitution] has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.

― Lysander Spooner

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NotQuiteHuman 2 points ago +3 / -1

Question: Do you think any government represents its people?

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NullifyAndSecede 7 points ago +7 / -0

No government that is assigned rights that individuals do not have can be said to represent the people because you cannot delegate a right you yourself do not have.

If the government assumes rights that the people who institute it do not have it cannot be said to represent its people.

I don't think any government represents its people because they all assume rights that individuals do not have. I think the US at the time of its founding is probably the closest to such a government in recorded history.

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NotQuiteHuman 4 points ago +4 / -0

But close to legitimate is still not legitimate.

You talk a lot about what you think shouldn't exist, but can you line out what you think SHOULD? Let's say you get your wish, and you've torn down all nations and states. How would a society that you would consider "legitimate" deal with the daily troubles that every society eventually must?

Note that I am saying "society", and not "government". I would like to know how you think people would interact on the whole--and not "should" or "I would hope", either.

Show me your vision. Show me you can build as well as destroy.