So we agree that white families have a different average family income from black families? Great, then we agree! I guess now that we agree that racial groups do experience different life outcomes we don’t need to converse any further, we’re already on the same page. Cbf reading the rest of your reply tho.
Farewell comrade, I’ll miss our little chats! So glad we could finally agree.
This is where we are: at the comment thread limit (so I have to post the reply HERE).
Yet again, fuck, you're stupid.
THE IMPLICATION, AGAIN, OF YOUR STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT, IS THAT AVERAGES ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING FOR INDIVIDUALS. THEY DON'T. THE AVERAGE OF A RACE "GROUP'S" (WHICH ISN'T EVEN A REAL FUCKING GROUP, IT'S AN ABSTRACT LOGICAL GROUPING; THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW EACH OTHER. THERE ARE 46 MILLION FUCKING BLACK AMERICANS; THEY'RE NOT A "GROUP," YOU FUCKING IDIOT) INCOME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. AND THE "AVERAGES" AND THE ENTIRE DISTRIBUTION IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE SAME METRIC FOR OTHER RACE "GROUPS." THAT'S WHY I KEEP TELLING YOU THE SAME THING, BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH YOU KEEP SAYING "I NEVER SAID THEY WERE!" YOUR ACTUAL ARGUMENT IS DEPENDENT ON ASSERTING THAT RELATIONSHIP. LOOK UPTHREAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT - THE QUESTION IS, DOES RACE DETERMINE CULTURE WHICH DETERMINES CONDUCT. THE ANSWER IS "FUCKING NO." "STILL FUCKING NO." "FOR FUCK'S SAKE, YOU FUCKING MOUTH-BREATHING, HALF-WITTED, MONKEY-FUCKING, EXTRA-FUCKING-CHROMOSOME MORON: NO. SHOULDN'T YOU BE WEARING A HELMET, FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES?"
DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE DIFFERENT INCOME THAN ALL WHITE FAMILIES? NO. OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL WHITE FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER WHITE FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER BLACK FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. WELL, THEN: IT ISN'T FUCKING RACE, YOU FUCKING MORON. YOUR CENTRAL PROBLEM, OTHER THAN BEING A FUCKING MORON, IS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT, CONFOUNDING, AND CONTROL VARIABLES. GUESS WHICH CATEGORY RACE FALLS INTO? I'LL GIVE YOU FOUR CHANCES: WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, YOU STUPID FUCK: IT'S A CONTROL VARIABLE. IT'S NEITHER DEPENDENT, NOR INDEPENDENT AND CAUSAL, NOR CONFOUNDING BY INFLUENCING BOTH THE DEPENDENT AND INDEPENDENT VARIABLES. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
AND YET, FUCKING AGAIN, INCOME ISN'T A PROXY FOR "OUTCOME," WHATEVER THE FUCK "OUTCOME" MEANS. YOU'RE LITERALLY USING AN ILLOGICAL, BASELESS ARGUMENT ABOUT AN INAPPLICABLE ANALOG TO ILLUSTRATE YOUR INCORRECT SUPPOSITION ABOUT CHARACTERISTICS THAT AREN'T DETERMINED BY RACE. THAT'S HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. AND THEN YOU STRUT AROUND THE CHESS BOARD, LIKE THE PROVERBIAL SHITTING PIGEON, PLEASED WITH YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND JUST EXACTLY HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. LOOK UP DUNNING-KRUGER, YOU STUPID FUCK; IT'S YOU. That's not enough fucks, but it's all I had.
I got as far as you claiming (yet again) that differences in averages imply outcomes for specific individuals, stopped reading. We’ve covered this in my very first reply - the existence of tall women doesn’t change the fact that men are taller than women.
And dude - stop SHOUTING, get off the internet, and go get laid. You clearly need it. Best of luck 😘
"Why would you expect that the average heights of various groups would be predictive of the height of any individual, namely me? You seem hung up on extrapolating group characteristics to individuals, despite claiming that’s not what you’re doing - that’s exactly what you’re doing 🤦🏻♀️
The fact remains that different demographic groups experience different life outcomes. Sorry if that’s awkward for you."
Holy fuck, are you stupid.
You fucking moron, I said "determinative," not "predictive."
You fucking moron, I'm arguing AGAINST the extrapolation of "group characteristics," which AREN'T FUCKING CHARACTERISTICS, YOU FUCKING MORON, to individuals. Hence, the point of the thread and the last six fucking explanations to you. Is it syphilis? Creutzfeldt-Jakob? Seriously: what the fuck is your major fucking malfunction?
You fucking moron, DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS DON'T EXPERIENCE ANYTHING. THEY'RE FUCKING ABSTRACTIONS, YOU FUCKING MORON.
There's nothing awkward about pointing out your stunning levels of obtuse idiocy - it's just repetitive and boring.
Me: "A."
You: "You said 'B.' Sorry if that's awkward for you."
Me: "I didn't say 'B,' I said 'A," like, 50 times."
You: "So, 'B," then? I don't know why you would say 'B.' "
Seriously: you should be under guardianship; are you in Congress? Nancy, is that you?
Wow, “demographic groups don’t experience anything”? That will be a great comfort to anyone who thinks that there might be a problem with average incomes for black families being so much lower than for white families.
And no, I don’t believe I’ve misrepresented a single thing you’ve said. The existence of tall women still doesn’t change the fact that men are taller than women. You keep imagining that I made some claim about extrapolating group data to individuals which I never did, you’ve demolished that strawman about a dozen times so far 🤦🏻♀️
I do agree that you’re repetitive and boring but I don’t hold it against you.
You cbf a lot of things, apparently, like English, facts, reason, and logic.
And, no, we don't agree on that. Even when you self-servingly interpret, twist, misstate, and then pretend it's something I said. Like up above, where you said that you barely graduated high school and have desperately hidden your own insecurities regarding your dyslexia ever since. See how I did that, exactly the way you've been doing it?
Again, and for fuck's sake, I hope for the last time: averages are not determinative for individuals, race is not a determinative attribute for income, and income isn't a proxy for "outcome" (again, whatever the fuck "outcome" means); nor does race = culture, though you may find it prevalent among a particular race for reasons of historic, geographical exposure (e.g. lederhosen - not going to find a lot of black men in them (though you can find some); it's not because they're black).
The only thing we agree on is that you're the dumbest motherfucker on patriots.win, which is saying something; my job is to point it out and your job is to exemplify it. So I guess we're a team, now, though you're surely the star.
Why do you keep telling me that “averages are not determinative for individuals”, when I’ve told you repeatedly (like about 7-8 times now) that I never said they were? It’s getting pretty boring tbh.
And if we don’t agree that black families have a different average income to whites families, then that means you’re saying that black families have the same income as white families. You should probably check your data on that one. Funny that you think it’s me who’s denying “facts” tho 🤡
No, you fucking moron: SOME men are taller than SOME women. And it's STILL NOT a rational analog, let alone a correlate of conduct. You need to stop getting laid by strapped-up prostitutes; clearly you need a break. Or some other unrelated bullshit.
You remain: THE DUMBEST MOTHERFUCKER ON PATRIOTS.WIN. And I stopped caring about your luck 9 messages ago; eat a bag of dicks, retard.
As a group, men are taller than women - I don’t really see how you can dispute this fact 🤷🏻♀️ I also don’t understand why you would want to, it’s not controversial. And I say that as a woman who’s taller than most men.
"As a group, men are taller than women - I don’t really see how you can dispute this fact 🤷🏻♀️ I also don’t understand why you would want to, it’s not controversial. And I say that as a woman who’s taller than most men."
You're totally right: I can't dispute the fact that, as a group, men are taller than women. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DISPUTE THAT FACT, YOU FUCKING MORON.
If only you were smarter, instead of taller, it would really help this process. Let's try it this way, since all the simpler ways failed:
How many group heights are you? Are you, e.g. the height of a group of women? The height of a group of American women? The height of a group of white women? How does the "group height" (which isn't an attribute of the group, but in fact an abstraction of a mathematical calculation of the heights of what amounts to a random selection of women) affect YOUR height? Does it DETERMINE your height? The correct answer is: "no."
Individual height is NOT A FUNCTION of group height, because there IS NO GROUP HEIGHT - it's a calculated abstraction, not a measurable attribute.
Individual "outcome" is NOT A FUNCTION of group "outcome," for the same reason.
Correlation of a group value/characteristic/outcome to a controlled variable isn't a causal relationship, in either direction.
Conduct IS NOT an attribute and race isn't a independent variable with high correlation, let alone causality to conduct, as a dependent variable.
Why would you expect that the average heights of various groups would be predictive of the height of any individual, namely me? You seem hung up on extrapolating group characteristics to individuals, despite claiming that’s not what you’re doing - that’s exactly what you’re doing 🤦🏻♀️
The fact remains that different demographic groups experience different life outcomes. Sorry if that’s awkward for you.
So we agree that white families have a different average family income from black families? Great, then we agree! I guess now that we agree that racial groups do experience different life outcomes we don’t need to converse any further, we’re already on the same page. Cbf reading the rest of your reply tho.
Farewell comrade, I’ll miss our little chats! So glad we could finally agree.
This is where we are: at the comment thread limit (so I have to post the reply HERE).
Yet again, fuck, you're stupid.
THE IMPLICATION, AGAIN, OF YOUR STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT, IS THAT AVERAGES ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING FOR INDIVIDUALS. THEY DON'T. THE AVERAGE OF A RACE "GROUP'S" (WHICH ISN'T EVEN A REAL FUCKING GROUP, IT'S AN ABSTRACT LOGICAL GROUPING; THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW EACH OTHER. THERE ARE 46 MILLION FUCKING BLACK AMERICANS; THEY'RE NOT A "GROUP," YOU FUCKING IDIOT) INCOME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. AND THE "AVERAGES" AND THE ENTIRE DISTRIBUTION IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE SAME METRIC FOR OTHER RACE "GROUPS." THAT'S WHY I KEEP TELLING YOU THE SAME THING, BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH YOU KEEP SAYING "I NEVER SAID THEY WERE!" YOUR ACTUAL ARGUMENT IS DEPENDENT ON ASSERTING THAT RELATIONSHIP. LOOK UPTHREAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT - THE QUESTION IS, DOES RACE DETERMINE CULTURE WHICH DETERMINES CONDUCT. THE ANSWER IS "FUCKING NO." "STILL FUCKING NO." "FOR FUCK'S SAKE, YOU FUCKING MOUTH-BREATHING, HALF-WITTED, MONKEY-FUCKING, EXTRA-FUCKING-CHROMOSOME MORON: NO. SHOULDN'T YOU BE WEARING A HELMET, FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES?"
DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE DIFFERENT INCOME THAN ALL WHITE FAMILIES? NO. OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL WHITE FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER WHITE FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER BLACK FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. WELL, THEN: IT ISN'T FUCKING RACE, YOU FUCKING MORON. YOUR CENTRAL PROBLEM, OTHER THAN BEING A FUCKING MORON, IS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT, CONFOUNDING, AND CONTROL VARIABLES. GUESS WHICH CATEGORY RACE FALLS INTO? I'LL GIVE YOU FOUR CHANCES: WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, YOU STUPID FUCK: IT'S A CONTROL VARIABLE. IT'S NEITHER DEPENDENT, NOR INDEPENDENT AND CAUSAL, NOR CONFOUNDING BY INFLUENCING BOTH THE DEPENDENT AND INDEPENDENT VARIABLES. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
AND YET, FUCKING AGAIN, INCOME ISN'T A PROXY FOR "OUTCOME," WHATEVER THE FUCK "OUTCOME" MEANS. YOU'RE LITERALLY USING AN ILLOGICAL, BASELESS ARGUMENT ABOUT AN INAPPLICABLE ANALOG TO ILLUSTRATE YOUR INCORRECT SUPPOSITION ABOUT CHARACTERISTICS THAT AREN'T DETERMINED BY RACE. THAT'S HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. AND THEN YOU STRUT AROUND THE CHESS BOARD, LIKE THE PROVERBIAL SHITTING PIGEON, PLEASED WITH YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND JUST EXACTLY HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. LOOK UP DUNNING-KRUGER, YOU STUPID FUCK; IT'S YOU. That's not enough fucks, but it's all I had.
This really is one of the greatest and most triggered replies I’ve ever seen, I think I should frame it 😘
I got as far as you claiming (yet again) that differences in averages imply outcomes for specific individuals, stopped reading. We’ve covered this in my very first reply - the existence of tall women doesn’t change the fact that men are taller than women.
And dude - stop SHOUTING, get off the internet, and go get laid. You clearly need it. Best of luck 😘
"Why would you expect that the average heights of various groups would be predictive of the height of any individual, namely me? You seem hung up on extrapolating group characteristics to individuals, despite claiming that’s not what you’re doing - that’s exactly what you’re doing 🤦🏻♀️
The fact remains that different demographic groups experience different life outcomes. Sorry if that’s awkward for you."
Holy fuck, are you stupid.
Me: "A." You: "You said 'B.' Sorry if that's awkward for you." Me: "I didn't say 'B,' I said 'A," like, 50 times." You: "So, 'B," then? I don't know why you would say 'B.' "
Seriously: you should be under guardianship; are you in Congress? Nancy, is that you?
Wow, “demographic groups don’t experience anything”? That will be a great comfort to anyone who thinks that there might be a problem with average incomes for black families being so much lower than for white families.
And no, I don’t believe I’ve misrepresented a single thing you’ve said. The existence of tall women still doesn’t change the fact that men are taller than women. You keep imagining that I made some claim about extrapolating group data to individuals which I never did, you’ve demolished that strawman about a dozen times so far 🤦🏻♀️
I do agree that you’re repetitive and boring but I don’t hold it against you.
You cbf a lot of things, apparently, like English, facts, reason, and logic.
And, no, we don't agree on that. Even when you self-servingly interpret, twist, misstate, and then pretend it's something I said. Like up above, where you said that you barely graduated high school and have desperately hidden your own insecurities regarding your dyslexia ever since. See how I did that, exactly the way you've been doing it?
Again, and for fuck's sake, I hope for the last time: averages are not determinative for individuals, race is not a determinative attribute for income, and income isn't a proxy for "outcome" (again, whatever the fuck "outcome" means); nor does race = culture, though you may find it prevalent among a particular race for reasons of historic, geographical exposure (e.g. lederhosen - not going to find a lot of black men in them (though you can find some); it's not because they're black).
The only thing we agree on is that you're the dumbest motherfucker on patriots.win, which is saying something; my job is to point it out and your job is to exemplify it. So I guess we're a team, now, though you're surely the star.
Why do you keep telling me that “averages are not determinative for individuals”, when I’ve told you repeatedly (like about 7-8 times now) that I never said they were? It’s getting pretty boring tbh.
And if we don’t agree that black families have a different average income to whites families, then that means you’re saying that black families have the same income as white families. You should probably check your data on that one. Funny that you think it’s me who’s denying “facts” tho 🤡
No, you fucking moron: SOME men are taller than SOME women. And it's STILL NOT a rational analog, let alone a correlate of conduct. You need to stop getting laid by strapped-up prostitutes; clearly you need a break. Or some other unrelated bullshit.
You remain: THE DUMBEST MOTHERFUCKER ON PATRIOTS.WIN. And I stopped caring about your luck 9 messages ago; eat a bag of dicks, retard.
As a group, men are taller than women - I don’t really see how you can dispute this fact 🤷🏻♀️ I also don’t understand why you would want to, it’s not controversial. And I say that as a woman who’s taller than most men.
"As a group, men are taller than women - I don’t really see how you can dispute this fact 🤷🏻♀️ I also don’t understand why you would want to, it’s not controversial. And I say that as a woman who’s taller than most men."
You're totally right: I can't dispute the fact that, as a group, men are taller than women. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DISPUTE THAT FACT, YOU FUCKING MORON.
If only you were smarter, instead of taller, it would really help this process. Let's try it this way, since all the simpler ways failed:
How many group heights are you? Are you, e.g. the height of a group of women? The height of a group of American women? The height of a group of white women? How does the "group height" (which isn't an attribute of the group, but in fact an abstraction of a mathematical calculation of the heights of what amounts to a random selection of women) affect YOUR height? Does it DETERMINE your height? The correct answer is: "no."
Individual height is NOT A FUNCTION of group height, because there IS NO GROUP HEIGHT - it's a calculated abstraction, not a measurable attribute.
Individual "outcome" is NOT A FUNCTION of group "outcome," for the same reason.
Correlation of a group value/characteristic/outcome to a controlled variable isn't a causal relationship, in either direction.
Conduct IS NOT an attribute and race isn't a independent variable with high correlation, let alone causality to conduct, as a dependent variable.
Why would you expect that the average heights of various groups would be predictive of the height of any individual, namely me? You seem hung up on extrapolating group characteristics to individuals, despite claiming that’s not what you’re doing - that’s exactly what you’re doing 🤦🏻♀️
The fact remains that different demographic groups experience different life outcomes. Sorry if that’s awkward for you.